Elu then: This is a good video that I am proud of and I am also proud of Gonz for putting in more effort than Nintendo did with Skyward Sword HD. Elu now: GONZ HAS BAD OPINIONS.
on their side yeah. however I think using detached joycon in separate hands is more comfortable than at least the joycon grip, even if the pro controller is the superior controller overall
Many complain about the buttons but I never minded those. What I do mind is the ridge on the top which forces you to hold it very awkwardly. The ridge is needed because otherwise it would slip from your hands in handheld mode and that is very important. After all if you're playing it in a car or bus which I very often am it shouldn't just slip out of your hands. The joycons really are a compromised design. If they didn't need to be used separately they could have made them more ergonomic and if they didn't have to work when attached they could have made them more comfortable to hold.
Honestly I rather use it than buy 4 70$ controllers every year (yes that’s actually happened, yes it happened before the price cut). I know you can say that you still have to buy multiple to play with mor people but A. Just buy Wii motion it’s a free game with a Wii note attached and B if your playing with friends you can, you know, use theirs.
I love the Wiimote, I used the same one for more than 10 years and it still works. I found it to be comfortable, but I can see why other people don't like it.
Since I was a baby with small hands, it felt beautiful in my hands. I ADORE this controller seeing as how it was my first controller and my childhood. I played Kirby return to dreamland, new super Mario Wii, donkey Kong country returns, it was my jam.
it's good when you are using the 2 in the little accessory that comes with the switch that's supposed to mimic the feel of a normal controller, but using only 1 of them sucks SO BAD.
I personally think the Joy-Cons are the worst. Along with drift and controller lag, there is much more wrong with them. They lack D-Pads and the analog stick is absolutely atrocious, with my thumb constantly rubbing on it on accident, moving the camera in some games when I didn’t want to. The Switch also lacks grips which even the Gamepad had. When the Joy-Cons are on there aide they are extremely puny, being even worse than the Wii remote horizontally! The shoulder buttons are just awful when the controllers are horizontal.
Yeah. Most controllers have the right stick angled inwards to prevent that. The issue with that though is that would make playing them vertically a lot more difficult. It's also the reason it doesn't have a D-pad. The Joycons really are compromised by having to be used sideways. I wouldn't call the analog stick bad though. It's about on par with other handhelds.
Honestly wiimotes are good but if i put that weirdass strap on the joycons and play sideways, it feels much better. Maybe because i have relatively small hands idk
The most cursed sideways Wiimote "experience" I've ever had was trying to play Project M on sideways wiimotes on the Wii U with some friends back in 2014. Back then I was one of those people that thought the mark of being a good player was just wavedashing/wavelanding a lot, and continuously attempting to do that with the B-button behind the d-pad was really something else. I don't know if I can think of any other controllers that are less comfortable than that other than the additional d-pads/control sticks/buttons included on Guitar Hero/Rock Band controllers to navigate menus. They just feel gross to me and are not mapped in any way that considers the placement of the user's hands, so in any context outside of those rhythm game menus (thankfully a scenario that was never forced upon anyone), it would arguably the worst controller I could think of.
Hard disagree on the guitar hero/rock band guitar thing. All those buttons have some purpose. (Even if sometimes it’s just “hey you can’t go left and right with the strum bar so you can use this to navigate Xbox menus or for the Wii to move the cursor around
"After all these years the nunchucks don't drift" Unfortunately mine started like 7 years ago lol. The only way to fix it is to take it out and blow on the connector, and even then it doesnt always work.
The thumbnail is the worst representation of the wii remote controller “being the worst” because it’s durable as hell, I could try to break it and would fail, other than that, it”s still not the worst, I don’t get how people hate it so much
I'm surprised you went the entire video without mentioning Metroid Other M, they literally restricted their developers to only the side ways Wii remote to "Promote innovation like the NES era", good luck trying to play that game for more than a few hours at a time without straight up killing your hands
@Manek Iridius Do you even have hands or are they just some strange flesh abomination designed to fit to the proportions of the Wii remote For real through the game is really fun to play using a traditional controller through dolphin, even if it can be sorta awkward at times due to aiming with the right stick, I never used to mind the sideways wii remote when I was younger but now that I'm older and my hands are bigger, I just really can't bear to use it for more than a couple of minutes anymore without my hands cramping up like hell.
@Manek Iridius You like Metroid: Other M specifically because it hurts your hands? Yeah, I suppose you might be the type to flavor your popcorn with human bodily fluids then.
While I'd no problems, I can see why people have them and, yes, limiting the controls because of nostalgia is a silly idea. Even more so when you have to point at the Sensor to shoot missiles (locked-on a target) and you can't move except the dodge. All the nuances from Prime 3 (and the Trilogy as a whole) were gone. 8 directions in a 3D environment with a top-view 2D map? That's also bad. And the game can be finished in three-four hours, maybe less if we exclude cutscenes...
I played other m just fine and finished it, didn't hurt anything and metroid games have never been long, only the prime games and thats probably cause of the fpv.
Oh god, yes. It has all the problems of Super Paper Mario but AT LEAST in that game the 3D perspective and pointing is just a gimmick that is only used in some areas. In Metroid Other M you HAVE to point to the screen for using something as vital as MISSILES and you're forced to use the D-Pad in a permanent 3D space. And that's is x10 stupider because Corruption sets the perfect control scheme for a 3D Metroid on the Wii and they just threw it away lol
@@benlinlin1 I'm not talking about, that other m is one big mess, it's obvious. But, I actually can point fast enough to shoot missiles while jumping or immediately after overblast. About d-pad, I can say that navigating in 3d space is simple enough to choose that control scheme. Other M can be precise controlled, but you must really adapt to controls and casually using wiimote like in kirby's rtd will not 'authorize' you to have fun (besides narrative and game/level design mess).
Tbh I never mind it. I do have thinn hands with long fingers, but I am the kind of player who will play so much that even a mouse will end up hurting my mind.
I HATE single Joy-Con, and prefer all uses of the Wii Remote to it. The stick feels so fragile on both sides, the controller is so small that it's very difficult to hold comfortably, and only one of the sides has a functional home button! That's not even getting into the drifting problems, which, while I haven't experienced it yet, I can guarantee isn't fun.
i MAIN sideways wiimote, and you can never take away from me the charm of playing smash brawl and having to go out of your way to press the minus button, just to be able to grab
“The stick that sits at the detachable left half of the controller doesn’t drift.” Me, who’s nunchucks drift like crazy and general grievous keeps walking into the mustafar lava no matter how many times I attach and detach the nunchuck: *”This is fine.”*
The Wii-mote and nunchuck though is the most comfortable gaming set-up. Though it does have far fewer buttons than a classic gamepad. Also while the Wii-mote was not very accurate it was very responsive and most "shaking" really was just vibrating. I like it especially in TP as you can use the sword and items separately.
@@legoboy7107 I wish they would make something like it for the Switch. Something similar to the joycons but larger. The joycons really are too small to comfortably fill up your hand like the Wii did. With a little tuning they could even have it have the second pair of buttons to have it act as a seperate controller for the multiplayer. You just can't attach it.
I really liked vertically holding the Wii Remote, it felt like I was swinging a lightsaber! Now Darth Maul, he's a HUGE fan of the horizontal Wii Remote (1) because it's like holding his lightsaber and (2) because he's crazy.
I would argue the opposite, the WII controllers are the best. Why? Because all 5 of my Wii remotes still work after countless hours of smash. My joy cons? All drifting. Even my pro controllers drift.
The New Challenges in Kirby's Dream Collection (which play exactly like Return to Dreamland) actually do support the GameCube Controller, so Hal at least learned.
The Metroid Other M devs: I have an idea, let's have Samus move in a 3D space using the Wiimote d-pad Intern: What about missiles and stuff? There's not a lot of buttons available in the sideways Wiimote configuration... Devs: We'll just make players switch to first-person point-and-shoot for missiles. Intern: Why not just add a nunchuk and make the whole game first-person? Devs: Because that's the Prime series' gimmick. Now stop asking questions or you're fired.
The Wii mote was an important part of gaming history. It introduced multiple ways to play and allowed casuals to enjoy games. Motion was a bog thing that allowed games to be better. The sideways remote has a dip by the B button to hold it better, allowing for games to be played with fewer buttons. It felt like an NES controller, which reminded many older people of the NES they grew up with, and made games that used it less complicated than a game with more buttons. There should be options but this is one of the most important controllers ever made, due to the introduction of motion.
Common issue that I think is fault of dust getting throught the port into the controller. Because my older one that had been exposed to dust more has these kinds of issues more then the one I used more and got into closet after use. TL;DR: The controller shouldn't have these issues if you didn't let it sit in dust.
Why does every single one of Nintendo's controllers have a flaw? Joycons were supposed to be the "perfect controller", but we all see how that went. What flaw will the next console have?
From my experience you better keep your goddamn Wii remotes and nunchuks in some closet or whatever where dust cannot get into ports. Because my og blue Wiimote is completely useless with nunchuks or my pro controller because of the dust in the port.
I own something called the Big Oversized Super Shell (BOSS). It snaps onto a Wii remote to give the sideways grip a very NES-2 controller sort of form factor, as well as making the D-pad, 1 and 2 buttons, and to a lesser extent the minus-home-plus triad significantly larger than they are on the remote itself (whilst downplaying the A button by making it smaller).
I have no problems with it but I grew up with it since I was small all the way until 8th grade when I finally got my first more traditional controller, the gamecube controller, and never used any more traditional console gaming setups during that time, so of course I was used to it since I was like 5 and have no problems because I was "trained" to use it. But for people who had grown up with more traditional gaming control setups I can see why it doesn't really work for them.
Good video but I was unable to relate. I don’t think I’ve ever once had problems holding the controller sideways but it might have to do with the fact that I have small hands. I’m really surprised you didn’t bring up Metroid Other M though. That game forces you to use a sideways Wii Remote AND is fully 3D.
SAME! I was able to borrow my friend's Wii for and I still had my copy of Brawl laying around, so I decided to try it with the Wiimote first, but I had a gamecube controller on hand. *I can't believe how I actually managed to beat Subspace with a sideways Wiimote oh my GOD.*
At least you got to experience such amazing abandoned concepts as the Wiimote playing crusty voicelines when you choose a character and doing smash attacks with inaccurate motion controls. Oh and double-tapping a direction to run, that one was actually a good one
Idk, I’m fine with the wii mote I think its an alright controller, the dpad could’ve been better. I don’t like the n64 controller though, three prongs, horrible joystick, atleast it was comfortable.
This was very interesting! I always grew up using the Wii Remote either by itself as a pointer or on its side. I NEVER used it with a Nunchuck (unless it was for Wii Sports Boxing) so that control method was super confusing with the button layout! Granted, I only really played Wii Sports, New Super Mario Bros. Wii, and MarioKart Wii so no wonder I played those games with unpopular control styles lol. Honestly, I really like using the Wii Remote sideways and people always wonder how I can play MarioKart with it haha! Obviously, nowadays, I use the Wii U Pro Controller and the Switch Joy-Cons the most but the Wii Remote is super nostalgic!!
In some games, it was great. NSMBWii, Mario Kart Wii (was decent), SSBB (if an NES controller game is good for you), some third party games, and (this is very unpopular) Kirby's Return to Dreamland.
i agree with everything here. the nintendo 64 controller, even though there are a few flaws, it’s still great. the wiimote while being great with the nunchuck, sideways it was very clunky and games that only supported that made the otherwise fun game much worse. also, I WILL DEFEND SUPER PAPER MARIO TO THE DAY I DIE IT IS AN UNDERRATED MASTERPIECE.
Eh I never had a problem with the sideways Wii Remote, but then again, I grew up with it first rather than a traditional controller (which I never had until I got a gamecube controller in like 2016), so I was familiar with it and was "trained" to use it. I've noticed that with a lot of Wii gimmicks that people complain about who had other gaming setups growing up, where I'm fully accustomed to them and have zero control problems unless the GAME was poorly made: the motion control stages in Super Mario Galaxy come to mind, where most people I see complain about them being motion based and say they're imprecise and hard to control and whatnot, while I have zero problems controlling them and have a perfect sense of how much to tilt the remote to move the thing in what way, I can oneshot those levels no problem and even do precise trick stunts. It probably has a lot to do with what different people were trained with when they were younger, for me who exclusively used these Wii things and whatnot as a small child all the way up until nearly high school I can do all them no problem, but for someone who used a traditional controller and gaming setup when they were younger I can see why these gimmicks and things would be problematic. It's like, they require brand new players with no prior or alternate gaming experiences and then they're great, but for those who have had other gaming setups/experiences they can kinda suck because of how different they are.
Nah, I love side wii remote. It’s amazing when playing Punch-Out!! It isn’t the best way to play every game, but I see it as a major improvement on the NES controller with a speaker built in.
On the subject of joycons (since I'd also argue they're worse than the wiimote), it's kind of sad. The joycons had the potential to be the best and most versatile controller Nintendo had ever put out. They had all the functionality of Nintendo's previous controllers up to the Wii and then some, and you could even share them with a friend _but then drift had to come in and ruin everything_
I wish I could have had the Wii when I was a kid, looked like fun. I could buy one now but i guess it wouldn’t feel the same as playing it for the first time as a kid.
I dunno, I have to relatively disagree, I thought the sideways wiimote was perfectly fine to wield. I REALLY liked the controls for Kirby’s Return to Dreamland. Maybe it’s just that my hands are perfectly sized? I do agree that more options is only a good thing though
Fun fact: If you play with the nunchuck controls new super mario bros wii, its technally possible to play with only one hand since for some reason the d-pad is still used
For a vid trashing the side ways sigle Wiimote playstyle the lack of Metroid Other M mentions THE SINGLE WORST game for the single Wiimote and no other choices given is a huge ommission.
@@fennemon Exactly. And it Wii Remotes don’t cost like $70. My Wii Remotes I have still work after over 10 years, meanwhile my Joy Con last like about a year. I never had a problem with the side Wii Remote. Or Motion Controls. They need to get good at Motion Controls.
You know ? You need sometimes some of these things you don't want to have. But what you should know, is that in life, you need to evolve from the past...
in my experience, de blob suffered from the same problem as super paper mario, not because it used the sideways wiimote (it didn't), but because you had to SHAKE THE WII REMOTE TO JUMP
This video made me realize something: The Wii games that I keep coming back to, games like Sonic Colors, Arc Rise Fantasia and Phantom Brave, are all games that give you a ton of control options. And with Kirby, I feel like every mainline game since RtDL has had a weird issue with the controls: the 3DS games all map jump to A and attack to B with no way to change it, thank goodness Star Allies at least lets you remap some buttons
I have small hands with relatively short fingers (not so much that using a keyboard or playing an instrument is hard but y'know) And I've always found that a lot of the controllers people complain about, like the sideways Wiimote or the original 3DS, I find comfortable. People with larger hands and longer fingers have a hard time with the tiny Nintendo boxes.
@@OMalleyTheMaggot I have normal sized hands with average fingers... I find the Wii mote pretty comfortable too. Part of my love for it comes down to nostalgia, admittedly.
I mean, I like the Wii remote. I understand how hard it was to point and use it on its side but with the nunchuck and the Wheel (Mostly for MK), it made it easier to use. At least for me.
I think you had forgotten to bring up Metroid Other M in the case of the sideways wii mote. Where that game is always 3d, yet requires you use a wii mote.
My personal favorite use of the sideways wii remote is for yoshi's woolly world, as it let's you hop from moving to quickly and precisely aiming yarn balls. The game has a lot of control options built in, but I always go back to the sideways Wii remote.
I guess you could say that, in a way, with the incredible accessibility of the Switch controllers like the Joy-Cons, Nintendo has started to... *drift* away from some of their past issues
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I BLAME GONZ FOR THIS VIDEO AND HIS BAD OPINIONS
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Thoughts on the new direct?
Elu then: This is a good video that I am proud of and I am also proud of Gonz for putting in more effort than Nintendo did with Skyward Sword HD.
Elu now: GONZ HAS BAD OPINIONS.
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you make good videos
My 4 drifting JoyCons would like a word with the title of this video.
Ok, I watched the video, and saw all the jabs you took at JoyCon Drift.
But I still will not retract my statement. This shit sucks.
I got 6...
@@zakoto7665 Actually, technically, so do I - because 2 of the units that Nintendo previously repaired for me have started drifting again!
tbh my joycons have only ever drifted once but then they were repaired and i never got any problems again. might've just gotten lucky though.
@@chaoticcranium Damn, man you two must have some terrible luck. 6? That's crazy.
"The sideways Wii Remote is the worst Nintendo controller"
Sideways Joy-Con: **breathes in relief**
Yeah
@@Photo0021 lol just buy a nunchuck if the game supports it
@@Photo0021 It's way to small and more uncomfortable to play, also drifting.
@Conner Wine Yes.
@@Jdudec367 yeah 😞
I think that the single joycon is worse. It hurts after a couple minutes instead of half an hour.
and its even smaller then a wiimote
use the wrist strap, then it doubles in size and makes the shoulder buttons bigger.
@@leonpaelinck It really just gives you more grip and flimsy shoulder buttons.
on their side yeah. however I think using detached joycon in separate hands is more comfortable than at least the joycon grip, even if the pro controller is the superior controller overall
Many complain about the buttons but I never minded those. What I do mind is the ridge on the top which forces you to hold it very awkwardly. The ridge is needed because otherwise it would slip from your hands in handheld mode and that is very important. After all if you're playing it in a car or bus which I very often am it shouldn't just slip out of your hands.
The joycons really are a compromised design. If they didn't need to be used separately they could have made them more ergonomic and if they didn't have to work when attached they could have made them more comfortable to hold.
Wii remote doesn’t drift. That’s why it’s better to control.
Honestly I rather use it than buy 4 70$ controllers every year (yes that’s actually happened, yes it happened before the price cut). I know you can say that you still have to buy multiple to play with mor people but A. Just buy Wii motion it’s a free game with a Wii note attached and B if your playing with friends you can, you know, use theirs.
It has nothing to drift lol
It has nothing to drift on
Nunchuk doesn’t drift*
Nunchucks will start getting yellow at the end and break open, making it unusable as wires get exposed, the Nintendo Wii wasn't free from problems
It was extremely different from the rest, at least we can appreciate Nintendo taking chances
hey i know you, i've seen your spongebob video and i think its cool
Your check mark looked fake but I clicked on your channel. Guess that’s how youtube checkmarks look now.
sup vail, any new spongebob news
Hey do you know you are hated?
i love the wiimote
I love the Wiimote, I used the same one for more than 10 years and it still works.
I found it to be comfortable, but I can see why other people don't like it.
Since I was a baby with small hands, it felt beautiful in my hands. I ADORE this controller seeing as how it was my first controller and my childhood. I played Kirby return to dreamland, new super Mario Wii, donkey Kong country returns, it was my jam.
@@3DOM_
I played Donkey Kong Country Returns too! It's nice to see another fan of that game. It's one of my favorites.
@@FanofGuardianTales it’s Sooooooooo underated and it’s a crime that people don’t talk about it more.
i would have guessed from your avatar :)
@@FanofGuardianTales
It also kinda looks like an xbox controller
Joycon is the worst controller ever made imo. Atleast an official controller and not a third party one.
it's good when you are using the 2 in the little accessory that comes with the switch that's supposed to mimic the feel of a normal controller, but using only 1 of them sucks SO BAD.
@@davidkonevky7372 they're still the worst due to manufacturing problems
I personally think the Joy-Cons are the worst. Along with drift and controller lag, there is much more wrong with them. They lack D-Pads and the analog stick is absolutely atrocious, with my thumb constantly rubbing on it on accident, moving the camera in some games when I didn’t want to. The Switch also lacks grips which even the Gamepad had. When the Joy-Cons are on there aide they are extremely puny, being even worse than the Wii remote horizontally! The shoulder buttons are just awful when the controllers are horizontal.
And that, is why I got a pro controller.
Yeah. Most controllers have the right stick angled inwards to prevent that. The issue with that though is that would make playing them vertically a lot more difficult. It's also the reason it doesn't have a D-pad.
The Joycons really are compromised by having to be used sideways. I wouldn't call the analog stick bad though. It's about on par with other handhelds.
the sideways Joycon is far more uncomfortable than a horizontal Wiimote.
facts
Honestly wiimotes are good but if i put that weirdass strap on the joycons and play sideways, it feels much better. Maybe because i have relatively small hands idk
Yes
Sideways joycon. Either deal with shoulder buttons so tiny they destroy your hands. Or so far away you have to reach for the stars just to press them
Kha0s Games why did you say “weirdass”
"even managing to outsell the gamecube."
Ah, yes. Truly a feat.
Well the Wii U didn't, not even remotely close.
The Wii U sold only a bit better than the Dreamcast, which speaks for itself.
@@Thelango99 oh yeah, the Wii u was a big failure, which is a shame. The gamecube just isn't the best bar to reach for.
@@Thelango99 I guess it was dream cast to the side, huh?
@@hotcofi2969 Yeah I wonder if any console will exceed the PS2 in sales, DS got close.
The most cursed sideways Wiimote "experience" I've ever had was trying to play Project M on sideways wiimotes on the Wii U with some friends back in 2014. Back then I was one of those people that thought the mark of being a good player was just wavedashing/wavelanding a lot, and continuously attempting to do that with the B-button behind the d-pad was really something else.
I don't know if I can think of any other controllers that are less comfortable than that other than the additional d-pads/control sticks/buttons included on Guitar Hero/Rock Band controllers to navigate menus. They just feel gross to me and are not mapped in any way that considers the placement of the user's hands, so in any context outside of those rhythm game menus (thankfully a scenario that was never forced upon anyone), it would arguably the worst controller I could think of.
I played Project M with Wiimote and Nunchuck and that was already wack. I CANNOT IMAAAAGINE trying to seriously play with sideways wiimote.
Hard disagree on the guitar hero/rock band guitar thing. All those buttons have some purpose. (Even if sometimes it’s just “hey you can’t go left and right with the strum bar so you can use this to navigate Xbox menus or for the Wii to move the cursor around
@@EluTran the worst controller is the joy con because of drift XD
GC controller is for casuals, i did go to a tourney once with Wii Remote only, i lose, but it was worth it
I think because project M wasn't made with the consideration that someone might use the Wii remote sideways.
Can't wait for the new Nintendo racing game.
Joy-Con Drift!
Imagine the criticism of the game just because of the name.
Drifting in the 90s, Initial Drift
I guess I'm in the minority who is okay with the horizontal Wiimote.
I'm there too. It's way more comfortable than the joycons, and the NES controller as well.
What's the worst controller you've ever used? Have you used one that you think is worse?
I don’t really know.. but I would never use a Wii remote for any game that doesn’t use motion controls.
idk
Do you know who joe is
Lol
Hello sir
“The stick that sits on the nunchuck doesn’t drift”
EXCUSE ME HAVE YOU SEEN MY DRIFTING WII NUNCHUN-
@Manek Iridius it was not a joke. Sadly.
You could try callibrating it
@@Josuh what does that mean?
@@spidermacho123 Google it. :)
"After all these years the nunchucks don't drift"
Unfortunately mine started like 7 years ago lol. The only way to fix it is to take it out and blow on the connector, and even then it doesnt always work.
Finally someone recognizes super paper Mario as a masterpiece!
Hey! Me too!
That's true tho, it's a perfect story, and an immaculate game.
it’s my favourite Paper Mario game
I’m sorry but it’s nowhere close to a masterpiece. It’s decent enough though
@@IceBlueLugia eh, we all have opinions, this is just how we felt about the game
The thumbnail is the worst representation of the wii remote controller “being the worst” because it’s durable as hell, I could try to break it and would fail, other than that, it”s still not the worst, I don’t get how people hate it so much
Yeah, I seen worse **cough in virtual boy**
@@multifandomfangirl9664 ahem ***nintendo ds***
I'm surprised you went the entire video without mentioning Metroid Other M, they literally restricted their developers to only the side ways Wii remote to "Promote innovation like the NES era", good luck trying to play that game for more than a few hours at a time without straight up killing your hands
@Manek Iridius Do you even have hands or are they just some strange flesh abomination designed to fit to the proportions of the Wii remote
For real through the game is really fun to play using a traditional controller through dolphin, even if it can be sorta awkward at times due to aiming with the right stick, I never used to mind the sideways wii remote when I was younger but now that I'm older and my hands are bigger, I just really can't bear to use it for more than a couple of minutes anymore without my hands cramping up like hell.
@Manek Iridius You like Metroid: Other M specifically because it hurts your hands? Yeah, I suppose you might be the type to flavor your popcorn with human bodily fluids then.
While I'd no problems, I can see why people have them and, yes, limiting the controls because of nostalgia is a silly idea. Even more so when you have to point at the Sensor to shoot missiles (locked-on a target) and you can't move except the dodge. All the nuances from Prime 3 (and the Trilogy as a whole) were gone. 8 directions in a 3D environment with a top-view 2D map? That's also bad. And the game can be finished in three-four hours, maybe less if we exclude cutscenes...
I played other m just fine and finished it, didn't hurt anything and metroid games have never been long, only the prime games and thats probably cause of the fpv.
pokepark was an even worse use of the wiimote than other m
I haven't watched the video. My childhood was full of "Hold the Wii Remote Horizontally" and I loved it.
I’m surprised you didn’t mention METROID OTHER M, as the biggest sin of the Wii-mote
One of the biggest sins in general
Wii remote is the least problem of other m (actually, it's pretty good, even first person mode, you just need to know, how to use it)
Oh god, yes. It has all the problems of Super Paper Mario but AT LEAST in that game the 3D perspective and pointing is just a gimmick that is only used in some areas.
In Metroid Other M you HAVE to point to the screen for using something as vital as MISSILES and you're forced to use the D-Pad in a permanent 3D space. And that's is x10 stupider because Corruption sets the perfect control scheme for a 3D Metroid on the Wii and they just threw it away lol
@@benlinlin1 I'm not talking about, that other m is one big mess, it's obvious. But, I actually can point fast enough to shoot missiles while jumping or immediately after overblast. About d-pad, I can say that navigating in 3d space is simple enough to choose that control scheme. Other M can be precise controlled, but you must really adapt to controls and casually using wiimote like in kirby's rtd will not 'authorize' you to have fun (besides narrative and game/level design mess).
pokepark was a bigger sin
Tbh I never mind it.
I do have thinn hands with long fingers, but I am the kind of player who will play so much that even a mouse will end up hurting my mind.
I HATE single Joy-Con, and prefer all uses of the Wii Remote to it. The stick feels so fragile on both sides, the controller is so small that it's very difficult to hold comfortably, and only one of the sides has a functional home button!
That's not even getting into the drifting problems, which, while I haven't experienced it yet, I can guarantee isn't fun.
Geez this video feels like a Scott the woz episode that’s awesome
Hey all, Scott here
@@CurrentNetPriceTanaka *shows wii remote** bullshit! *throws it at a wall**
Especially 0:55: "The sideways Wii remote sucks!"
i MAIN sideways wiimote, and you can never take away from me the charm of playing smash brawl and having to go out of your way to press the minus button, just to be able to grab
2+B
"Hey aren't you the guy who uploaded the Undertale soundtrack?"
The *extended* undertale soundtrack.
@@tweer64 Also he included songs that Misaki, the OG Undertale OST uploader, didn't upload.
@Victor Luigi They were saying it sarcastically, hence the quotations
I just listened to a guy rant about a Wii remote position for 13 minutes
You just... hold it
Seriously. You hold like an NES controller what's so hard to comprehend?
Manek Iridius He also states that sideways joy con is better when it's half the size with stick drift.
“The stick that sits at the detachable left half of the controller doesn’t drift.”
Me, who’s nunchucks drift like crazy and general grievous keeps walking into the mustafar lava no matter how many times I attach and detach the nunchuck: *”This is fine.”*
every controller with a joystick in existance has drifted so yea saying the nunchuck doesn't drift is stupid
The Wii-mote and nunchuck though is the most comfortable gaming set-up. Though it does have far fewer buttons than a classic gamepad. Also while the Wii-mote was not very accurate it was very responsive and most "shaking" really was just vibrating. I like it especially in TP as you can use the sword and items separately.
I agree, the Wii Remote and Nunchuck setup is fantastic.
@@legoboy7107 I wish they would make something like it for the Switch. Something similar to the joycons but larger. The joycons really are too small to comfortably fill up your hand like the Wii did. With a little tuning they could even have it have the second pair of buttons to have it act as a seperate controller for the multiplayer. You just can't attach it.
I actually find the sideways Wii remote very comfortable to hold. It is how I played all my Wii games when I could.
I really liked vertically holding the Wii Remote, it felt like I was swinging a lightsaber! Now Darth Maul, he's a HUGE fan of the horizontal Wii Remote (1) because it's like holding his lightsaber and (2) because he's crazy.
This is a certified Elu classic
Also early pog
Spuder pog
And Gonz.
Pog
“Or playing Mario party, at all”
My hand started throbbing uncontrollably from the memories
I would argue the opposite, the WII controllers are the best. Why? Because all 5 of my Wii remotes still work after countless hours of smash. My joy cons? All drifting. Even my pro controllers drift.
For some reason, Wii remote and nunchuck feel good
The New Challenges in Kirby's Dream Collection (which play exactly like Return to Dreamland) actually do support the GameCube Controller, so Hal at least learned.
The Metroid Other M devs: I have an idea, let's have Samus move in a 3D space using the Wiimote d-pad
Intern: What about missiles and stuff? There's not a lot of buttons available in the sideways Wiimote configuration...
Devs: We'll just make players switch to first-person point-and-shoot for missiles.
Intern: Why not just add a nunchuk and make the whole game first-person?
Devs: Because that's the Prime series' gimmick. Now stop asking questions or you're fired.
The Wii mote was an important part of gaming history. It introduced multiple ways to play and allowed casuals to enjoy games. Motion was a bog thing that allowed games to be better. The sideways remote has a dip by the B button to hold it better, allowing for games to be played with fewer buttons. It felt like an NES controller, which reminded many older people of the NES they grew up with, and made games that used it less complicated than a game with more buttons. There should be options but this is one of the most important controllers ever made, due to the introduction of motion.
they could have added more buttons to hold sideways, it wouldn't have changed the motion controls
@@leonpaelinck it was important to keep it simple for casuals, otherwise it’d be too complicated for most and then they’d probably wouldn’t bother
@@leonpaelinck That's where the nunchuck comes in
A friend of mine had a Wii controller that drifted.
All the time or sometimes?
Mine drifted if I moved the stick while it powered up.
@@geistgrace6452 Sometimes, yeah.
Common issue that I think is fault of dust getting throught the port into the controller. Because my older one that had been exposed to dust more has these kinds of issues more then the one I used more and got into closet after use.
TL;DR: The controller shouldn't have these issues if you didn't let it sit in dust.
Why does every single one of Nintendo's controllers have a flaw?
Joycons were supposed to be the "perfect controller", but we all see how that went.
What flaw will the next console have?
Red ring of death 2 the controller bogaloo
What flaw did the SNES controller have?
@@EnvyOmicron I guess the start and select buttons weren't that great
“Wii’s Nunchuck doesn’t drift”
MY ASS, MINE STARTED DRIFTING TWO YEARS AFTER I BOUGHT IT!
Still lasts longer than a joycon.
@@lillypad6936 In fact, new Joycons tend to be better. I bought a pair a little more than a year ago and it hasn't drift at all
From my experience you better keep your goddamn Wii remotes and nunchuks in some closet or whatever where dust cannot get into ports. Because my og blue Wiimote is completely useless with nunchuks or my pro controller because of the dust in the port.
imo the sideways wii remote is actually really really good, if you get a rubber protection case thing around it, its extremely comfortable to use
I own something called the Big Oversized Super Shell (BOSS). It snaps onto a Wii remote to give the sideways grip a very NES-2 controller sort of form factor, as well as making the D-pad, 1 and 2 buttons, and to a lesser extent the minus-home-plus triad significantly larger than they are on the remote itself (whilst downplaying the A button by making it smaller).
Thee wii remote I never had problems with and LOVED it to DEATH!! But I can see why people hate it since it's hard to get used to.
I have no problems with it but I grew up with it since I was small all the way until 8th grade when I finally got my first more traditional controller, the gamecube controller, and never used any more traditional console gaming setups during that time, so of course I was used to it since I was like 5 and have no problems because I was "trained" to use it. But for people who had grown up with more traditional gaming control setups I can see why it doesn't really work for them.
my 7 year old hand formed around the sideways wiimote thanks to poképark games. i’m immune to hand pain now
XD
Good video but I was unable to relate. I don’t think I’ve ever once had problems holding the controller sideways but it might have to do with the fact that I have small hands. I’m really surprised you didn’t bring up Metroid Other M though. That game forces you to use a sideways Wii Remote AND is fully 3D.
I have really long hands, and also have had no problem with the controllers
Its ironic; my first Wii game was Super Paper Mario. The sideways remote was the only way I LIKED holding it after that
I don’t know what to comment.
...Bug Fables, am I right?
Big agree.
Thousand year door and Bowser’s inside story are the best Mario RPGs
super too
God I can't believe I played Brawl like this as a kid.
SAME! I was able to borrow my friend's Wii for and I still had my copy of Brawl laying around, so I decided to try it with the Wiimote first, but I had a gamecube controller on hand.
*I can't believe how I actually managed to beat Subspace with a sideways Wiimote oh my GOD.*
At least you got to experience such amazing abandoned concepts as the Wiimote playing crusty voicelines when you choose a character and doing smash attacks with inaccurate motion controls.
Oh and double-tapping a direction to run, that one was actually a good one
"Nintendo Wii has the worst controller"
Nintendo 64 controller: I'm a joke to you?
He said his opinion on the N64 controller AT THE BEGINING OF THE VIDEO.
@@antioriginalityguy yes
I strongly disagree with y’all’s opinions on the controllers. I think the Wii mote and N64 remote are amazing
Idk, I’m fine with the wii mote I think its an alright controller, the dpad could’ve been better. I don’t like the n64 controller though, three prongs, horrible joystick, atleast it was comfortable.
This was very interesting! I always grew up using the Wii Remote either by itself as a pointer or on its side. I NEVER used it with a Nunchuck (unless it was for Wii Sports Boxing) so that control method was super confusing with the button layout!
Granted, I only really played Wii Sports, New Super Mario Bros. Wii, and MarioKart Wii so no wonder I played those games with unpopular control styles lol.
Honestly, I really like using the Wii Remote sideways and people always wonder how I can play MarioKart with it haha!
Obviously, nowadays, I use the Wii U Pro Controller and the Switch Joy-Cons the most but the Wii Remote is super nostalgic!!
Seems like someone wasn't able to beat Matt
Where is Matt when you need him? We need a Wii Sports and Wii Sports Resort remake.
I never played any Mario platformer more smoothly than those on the Wii, I lowkey suck at NSMBU Deluxe but I was nearly untouchable on the Wii U
I remember when this channel just posted extended undertale music
"Even managing to outsell the GameCube"
About four to five times over that, yeah.
i honestly really loved the sideways wii remote. i probably got dropped when i was young..
In some games, it was great. NSMBWii, Mario Kart Wii (was decent), SSBB (if an NES controller game is good for you), some third party games, and (this is very unpopular) Kirby's Return to Dreamland.
Excite Truck plays brilliantly in a sideways Wiimote
@@thesupervideogamenerdmore3171 And certain Wii Fit/Wii Fit Plus games too. (Island Cycling was fantastic, so many memories).
Other M is an entirely 3D twitch shooter with platforming challenges. Played entirely on a sideways Wiimote.
Seeing the discord people flock to this video quickly fills my heart with happiness
You forgot about how Clubhouse Games 51 Worldwide Classics requiring sideways joy-con for playing with multiple people locally
Still better than the gamecube controller
That's right, I can't stand that thing with it's awkward grip and deformed button layout
...
i agree with everything here. the nintendo 64 controller, even though there are a few flaws, it’s still great. the wiimote while being great with the nunchuck, sideways it was very clunky and games that only supported that made the otherwise fun game much worse.
also,
I WILL DEFEND SUPER PAPER MARIO TO THE DAY I DIE IT IS AN UNDERRATED MASTERPIECE.
Eh I never had a problem with the sideways Wii Remote, but then again, I grew up with it first rather than a traditional controller (which I never had until I got a gamecube controller in like 2016), so I was familiar with it and was "trained" to use it. I've noticed that with a lot of Wii gimmicks that people complain about who had other gaming setups growing up, where I'm fully accustomed to them and have zero control problems unless the GAME was poorly made: the motion control stages in Super Mario Galaxy come to mind, where most people I see complain about them being motion based and say they're imprecise and hard to control and whatnot, while I have zero problems controlling them and have a perfect sense of how much to tilt the remote to move the thing in what way, I can oneshot those levels no problem and even do precise trick stunts. It probably has a lot to do with what different people were trained with when they were younger, for me who exclusively used these Wii things and whatnot as a small child all the way up until nearly high school I can do all them no problem, but for someone who used a traditional controller and gaming setup when they were younger I can see why these gimmicks and things would be problematic. It's like, they require brand new players with no prior or alternate gaming experiences and then they're great, but for those who have had other gaming setups/experiences they can kinda suck because of how different they are.
@@legoboy7107 SPM really isn’t underrated these days, the fandom has warmed up to it, especially with the atrocity known as Sticker Star
Can’t wait to play silksong with it
Same dude.
Finally a video about the joyco-... huh?
Wiimote with nunchuck is one of my favorite controllers ever.
Sideways Wiimote is actually terrible and makes my hands hurt.
I still can't believe Metroid Other M forced you to hold the controller sideways just so you can enter first person mode when you point at the screen
Nah, I love side wii remote. It’s amazing when playing Punch-Out!! It isn’t the best way to play every game, but I see it as a major improvement on the NES controller with a speaker built in.
On the subject of joycons (since I'd also argue they're worse than the wiimote), it's kind of sad. The joycons had the potential to be the best and most versatile controller Nintendo had ever put out. They had all the functionality of Nintendo's previous controllers up to the Wii and then some, and you could even share them with a friend
_but then drift had to come in and ruin everything_
New video by Elu Tran! I honestly don't know if I like your videos or your community posts more!
I wish I could have had the Wii when I was a kid, looked like fun. I could buy one now but i guess it wouldn’t feel the same as playing it for the first time as a kid.
Dunno man, sounds like a weird way to say “Nintendo Ds”
(If you’re reading this you should realize this is sarcastic)
Nice name
smash bros brawl with vertical wiimote (no nunchuk) is what I used when I was little and it is the best way to play that game
i agree
The PlayStation 3 controller was horribly outdated and I hated using it while I played little big planet karting
I dunno, I have to relatively disagree, I thought the sideways wiimote was perfectly fine to wield. I REALLY liked the controls for Kirby’s Return to Dreamland. Maybe it’s just that my hands are perfectly sized? I do agree that more options is only a good thing though
Fun fact:
If you play with the nunchuck controls new super mario bros wii, its technally possible to play with only one hand since for some reason the d-pad is still used
I actually thought the worst Nintendo controller is the SNES Super Scope.
For a vid trashing the side ways sigle Wiimote playstyle the lack of Metroid Other M mentions THE SINGLE WORST game for the single Wiimote and no other choices given is a huge ommission.
My nunchuck drifts and I still don't know why, drift has haunted me ever sense.
Do u use Wiimotion plus?
Y E S
The joycon is definitely the worst
Nah, as he he explained in the video, just the fact that you have more than a D pad and 2 buttons makes it better than the wii mote
@@caioleite5579 At least Wii remote doesn’t randomly press left or right, making some games basically impossible sometimes.
@@fennemon Exactly. And it Wii Remotes don’t cost like $70. My Wii Remotes I have still work after over 10 years, meanwhile my Joy Con last like about a year. I never had a problem with the side Wii Remote. Or Motion Controls. They need to get good at Motion Controls.
UA-cam: This is a Super Smash Bros. Ultimate video,take it or leave it.
You know ? You need sometimes some of these things you don't want to have. But what you should know, is that in life, you need to evolve from the past...
in my experience, de blob suffered from the same problem as super paper mario, not because it used the sideways wiimote (it didn't), but because you had to SHAKE THE WII REMOTE TO JUMP
it was fine, considering everyone had to use it
This video made me realize something: The Wii games that I keep coming back to, games like Sonic Colors, Arc Rise Fantasia and Phantom Brave, are all games that give you a ton of control options.
And with Kirby, I feel like every mainline game since RtDL has had a weird issue with the controls: the 3DS games all map jump to A and attack to B with no way to change it, thank goodness Star Allies at least lets you remap some buttons
I held an Ouya controller once and immediately wanted to stop, it felt so Fucking awkward and uncomfortable
I never had a problem with using the wiimote sideways. It’s so good to hear others opinions tho
I am the single person who likes the sideways Wii Remote, and I don't know if I'm bold for saying that, or stupid for having the wrong opinion.
I have small hands with relatively short fingers (not so much that using a keyboard or playing an instrument is hard but y'know)
And I've always found that a lot of the controllers people complain about, like the sideways Wiimote or the original 3DS, I find comfortable.
People with larger hands and longer fingers have a hard time with the tiny Nintendo boxes.
@@OMalleyTheMaggot I have normal sized hands with average fingers... I find the Wii mote pretty comfortable too.
Part of my love for it comes down to nostalgia, admittedly.
The Wii Remote is the single greatest design achievement of mankind. When aliens find our remains, I hope they stumble upon one.
I mean, I like the Wii remote. I understand how hard it was to point and use it on its side but with the nunchuck and the Wheel (Mostly for MK), it made it easier to use. At least for me.
I think you had forgotten to bring up Metroid Other M in the case of the sideways wii mote. Where that game is always 3d, yet requires you use a wii mote.
this video is just an elaborate ruse to get modders to port in other control options for super paper mario
Throwback to me and my friends only ever playing Brawl with a sideways Wiimote...
Hey aren’t you the guy who uploaded the UNDERTALE OST-
My personal favorite use of the sideways wii remote is for yoshi's woolly world, as it let's you hop from moving to quickly and precisely aiming yarn balls. The game has a lot of control options built in, but I always go back to the sideways Wii remote.
Maybe it's because I have small hands or something, but most of this things weren't an issue for me.
“Nintendo’s worst controller”
Joycons: you called?
I guess you could say that, in a way, with the incredible accessibility of the Switch controllers like the Joy-Cons, Nintendo has started to... *drift* away from some of their past issues
You could say that the switch controllers are drifting away joy due to joycon drift.
Incredible.
Metroid Other M's control scheme.
...Jesus Christ.