Theres no way theyd allow Gary to defend Mike like this under these rules today. This is real defense right here. Gary Payton in my top 5 defenders ever and he often gets slept on in point guard rankings. Absolute domination on defensive end miles away better on defensive end than any other point guard to play the game. One of my personal favorite players.
All I'm seeing is bad offense. The way you counter fronting defense like this is to just spread the floor. That way you can either lob it over the top or swing to the open 3pt shooter. The bulls spacing here is terrible. There are 3 or even 4 white jerseys in the lane every single play so they had trouble lobbing it over the top to Jordan. This type of defense wouldn't work today because you would give up a wide open 3 with numerous players able to hit close to 40%, which is equivalent to 60% from 2pt range. I mean look, I loved watching basketball in the 90s but the talent level nowadays is crazy high and it's silly to think that if you teleported players from the 90s to today that the current players would be demoted to the gleague because they can't hang with the likes of Dan Majerle, Danny ainge, Ron Harper, or Byron Russell. The competition to get to the nba level is much higher now and that's just an objective fact based on a numbers game. It's the same reason a division 3a high school with a school size of 800 kids cant compete with a 5a high school with 5000 kids. Starting at the high school level you have so many more people who are playing the game that you have to be amazing just to make the Varsity high school team in most high schools. And now the US kids have to also compete with the huge international pool of players to land a spot in the NBA. Anyways, my point is that we should enjoy different eras of basketball what it is. To compare different eras is pointless. Future generations will always improve and that's just the way it is. 50 years from now it would be silly to think that today's teams could beat those teams from the future, just like how it's silly to think that Wilt Chamberlain was literal Paul Bunyan and was the most athletic human being in the history of mankind who, at 7 feet 1, could run a 4.5 yard dash, could reach almost 4 feet above the rim with a vertical of 45 inches, and bench press 500 pounds with arms longer than Kevin Durants. I think he could walk on water too and turn water into wine. Too bad now that we need actual evidence to back up claims we will never see anyone else as athletic as wilt ever again for the rest of eternity, just like we will never see another Jesus christ. TLDR: none of this shit matters and I just wasted 15 mins of my life that I will never get back.
Well...nobody would be able to guard MJ with these soft rules and skinny ass players now. MJ could grind with anyone and he would average about 40-45 while shooting 52-53% easily today. If GP also played, he would still be into you. Just look at Patrick Beverly. He's a better version of Beverly.
This is some of the best perimeter defense I've ever seen . Mike was missing some makeable shots but you gotta give Gary credit , he played some great defense
@@savagedan6274 the nba is like that cuz of money plus these nba players today much more stronger and faster it a be way to many injuries especially to the stars and if all the stars getting injured who gone watch the nba it’s all bout money that don’t make players in the nba soft it ain’t they fought rules changed
@@ronaszn9728 Lol nope. Discredit Kobe and they'll say the same thing. You can see similar defense in the 2020 playoffs from Lakers, Heat etc. These defenders are still bums aside From Gary
This Sonics team was very underrate, 64 wins this year dominated a very tough west and were as good defensively almost as any team you'll see. Payton an amazing defender, very rare. Fast enough to stay in front of MJ on the perimeter strong enough to cause problems in the post.
kawhi leonard 6'8 240lb 7'3 wingspan larger hands would give MJ more trouble than anyone he ever faced. he was lucky not to have pippen on another team checking him because i really doubt jordan would be as succesffull without one of the best permiter defenders of all time in pippen.
nasir ali of course he wouldn’t be. Lebron never won a ring without 2 all star teammates. Magic never won without Kareem. All of them every great player needs help. It’s the way it is.
Chicago struggled offensively over the last 3 games of this series after making payton the primary defender on MJ. MJ performed below his usual standards and the Bulls didn't score more than 87 points during those last 3 games. The Bulls are lucky Seattle waited until they were already down 3-0 to make that switch because it could've been a very different series had they done this from the start.
Rick Kawhi wouldn’t be a good guy to defend MJ. Older Mj maybe but certainly not prime MJ. The idea was to put a smaller guy on MJ to stop his penetration, Kawhi is an amazing defender but he isn’t staying in front of prime MJ
0:57 Look at the Glove and MJ battling for position. All that contact, and no foul. That's a foul every time today. Back then, that was just good hard-nosed physical play as players were actually allowed to put their hands on one another.
They still allow physical defense like that IF the defender involved has a defensive reputation, if the 2 players are superstars, or if it's the playoffs. Look at Patrick Beverly/Tony Allen highlights or look at Kobe vs Melo in the playoffs
i respect the toughness of the glove. Jordan just missed a few open shots and every time he got the ball he flew by him but the help defense was freaking amazing. No one player can ever stop Jordan, The sonics as a team stopped him, more weak side help needs to be credited.
Thsts what the rest of the team was for. I like how mj stayed with a core set of guys instead of super teaming . Pippin was just some guy before mj and the bulls
@@leftyzone2429 Well Jordan laughed because Gary Payton lied he said he is the only one that contained Jordan,. And that's not true it was team defense that slowed MJ down
gary payton was 6'4 180lbs soaking in sweat giving 6'6 215lb jordan trouble...is it wild to assume that kawhi leonard 6'7 240 lbs 7'3 wngspan and giant hands WOULD give jordan even more trouble? what about 6'10 245 lb 7 foot wingspan ben simmons on jordan? would that be easier or harder than payton? lol what about paul george 6'8 225 lbs 6'11 wingspan checking jordan? i can go on and on but come on dont act as if the 90s basketball was the best
You ain’t lying. Out of curiosity, I watched the Bulls/Heat game tonight. Haven’t watched bball in years. No defense, fouls left and right. Bump into somebody and they foul you. Crazy.
There's been talks about it. They had a loyal fan base and had some incredible teams/players. They definitely deserve to. I would like to see a team in Las Vegas but after what happened in the all star game, I can't see that happening lol
Payton was a great defensive artist. But, ppl tend to forget he was probably the best lob alley oop set up specialist as well. Just watch highlights of him and Kemp.
Michael Jordan only shot 51 of 123 (41.5%) from the field this series, and averaged nine fewer points than his Finals average at the time (36.3 PPG 1991-1993).
But 1990-1993 was Jordans prime, there was no stopping Jordan in his prime.The next 3 peat, when he came back from baseball he was still MJ but not nearly as good. Just look at his stats from his prime and second three peat.
Watching Jordan and Payton fight for position is epic. It reminded me of a street ball game. Very physical. Neither man backing down. Obviously Jordan is Jordan. You can't "stop" him. But the back and forth between him and Payton was always fun to watch.
@MasterP.. LMAO please never talk or watch basketball again. If anything todays league is weaker, the NBA literally bends the rules for players offensively nowadays. Overrated
That was the series that I felt in love with NBA basketball. Sonics and Payton kept Jordan under 30ppg in Final, i think they are the only team that did that. MJ always had over 30ppg in his final series.
@Lisa Rose Nah only way to slow Mj is to play really aggressive and physical for 4 quarters with the sole goal of playing defence only no scoring or rebounding. Guys today can't touch MJ, today's era is offence heavy. No defensive IQ or awareness. Only Kahwi Leonard can succeed in slowing down MJ but even still he doesn't have that type of Stamina to do this with his load management approach nor is he quick laterally like Westbrook or D rose. But he has the large hands and wingspan to force turnovers occasionally. This version of MJ was turning 34, 28 Year Old MJ would give the Taller Athletes today problem, Mike was a SG with the Hands, Wingspan of a 7 footer and ridiculous post game. He was a big SG Guard.
@Lisa Rose 2007 Nba Finals. Lebron was shut down by a 35-year-old 6"7 Bruce Bowen. Lebron James = 22-ppg FG-35% 2011 Nba Finals. Lebron James can not dominate vs 38-year-old Jason Kidd who was drafted in 1994.
@@allanhouston6759 huh ? *1996 nba finals, gary payton completely shuts down michael jordan, holding him to 27 ppg on 40% shooting from the field, 31% from shortened 3 point line, michael jeffrey jordan is overrated*
There was nobody in the world that could guard Jordan on a consistent basis every game of a series. Michael got his looks but he finished 6/19 in this game. I'd say that's a good day for the defense, help or no help
Seattle had so many advantages and the same weakness at center. With the right focus they win this series. They relied to heavily on the bullying of Brickowski and not enough on the savvy of Sam Perkins.
George Caral got out coached! How do you not understand that Payton NEEDS to guard Jordan and why wasn't Kemp shooting more shots? The Bulls had no answer for Kemp!
Payton was nasty. I'd put him on my all time starting 5 just because of his defense. Payton MJ Lebron Rodman Olajuwon. I think defense is so important and you got 4 of these 5 guys who can score when they want to.
Gary Payton is the greatest pg defender ever to play but he didnt lock MJ down. he limited his touches and played tenacious defense when jordan got the ball but never really stopped MJ.
Gary Payton played spectaculaur defense, but the rest of the defense definetely kept an eye on Jordan. Payton would seal off the outside interior, forcing Jordan inside, and the center would be ready to tightly contest the shot. This is similar to what the Pistons did with their system dubbed "Jordan Rules," that effectively contained Jordan forcing him to give the ball to someone else.
Goddamn this was good basketball....miss ya MJ. I miss Kobe, too..but Jordan's era was so much more enjoyable before the flopping and gansta attitudes started.
Yeah but you forget, MJ made Pippen into an all-star everyday. Pippen has said this. MJ focused on Pippen and gave him advice everyday in practice. Just like how Kobe says he doesn't win 5 rings without MJ's advice. Pippen wouldn't have had that in Seattle. Before MJ started grooming Pippen, they were saying he had a lot of talent but no skill and was a sloppy player. I mean there are a ton of talented players that never met there full potential. MJ did this for Pippen. Thats another reason MJ is the Goat, Bill Russell also had this ability to make players better. Players like Lebron will never get it.
Wu Livei Yes Pippen would have been the one of only two point guards in the western conference with size to deal with Magic Johnson.He could have been a bigger version of Gary Payton.
@@erichvonmanstein6876 He has the skills to be a Point Guard while in college he developed those ball handling skills to be a PG.He just needed to gain some size he was the only person on the Bulls to play the position.
Looked like a tough physical game when Peyton guarded him, but he was double teamed every play. They had PHENOMENOL team defense. Jordan was losing Payton every time it was one on one.
Say what you want, Gary made his mark on MJ, his defense prevented MJ from going 50pts in each game. Gary was on the all defense 1st team 10yrs in a row
After mj was caught on the last dance video laughing at payton saying he tired out mj, there's going to be a lot more new comments and views on here. Personally i think gp did a great job (lower fg%), but the team defense's schemes definitely helped too. As for mj laughing, mj wouldn't be mj without his overwhelming confidence in himself.
George Karl dropped the ball not letting GP guard mj from game one he torched Hershey Gary had the same intensity as Mike I miss my Sonic's and the old NBA
Don’t get me wrong GP is a good defender but all I see is a mike getting double teamed almost Everytime he touched the ball and the shots he normally make he just simply misses. the only credit that I will give is that GP made it hard for MJ to get the ball. If it was clear isolation, mike would eat him alive.
lol obviously MJ would be double teamed. when they say GP guarded MJ it means he guarded him more then the other players in hes team. and he guarded him almost all game long when he didnt have the ball.
Jordan is the best clutch performer ever, he is possessed of winning. Kobe is a very close second, if he would have played with Pippen, Rodman and co he probably would have won the same championship rings as Jordan did (would have been interesting to see Kobe vs the Bad Boys). All the stats doesn´t mean a thing, if you shoot 30% and win your games you´ve done your job.
vinicius oliveira nah.... remember after Shaq the team was not that great aside from Gasol. Jordan was great not GOD. completely different era... Jordan is the Goat but there are more athletic players than ever so we can't say what Jordan would have done offensively or defensively.
I already had a ton of respect for GP after watching him his entire career. but seeing this video, just shortly after watching today's NBA. I have a new found respect for the Glove. outside of a few guys like Melo & KD I don't think there's a player today who would have a good game vs GP. and those guys would mainly due to their height advantage. but even still I can see them struggling most nights vs GP. Not only do you have to deal with his defense but he also trash talks you the entire time. thats hard to deal with.
+Bryson Townsend don't get it twisted. Curry and CP3 don't break people down one on one or post up. they use a ton of ball screens (usually moving screens from their bigs) in order to get into open space. but as far as on ball man to man defense, none of those guys, (Westbrook included) would do work against GP. the guys feet were too quick and he had the length, ( at 6'4 )with the heart, and defensive I.Q. I'm not just speaking one game. anyone of those guys could get hot for one game but let's say a whole 7 game series. no way any of them are coming out on top. and we know for sure they can't hold GP on the other end either.
+Coach you may be right about the fact that gp would give those guys trouble one on one but this game isn't about one on one play it's about team play, so when come to ball screens gp himself would still have some trouble sometimes
Clogged lanes, no screens, no ball movements, zero outside shooting, and everybody just trying to feed Jordan in the every play. The defense looks great in this era because the offense is so damn ugly compared to how offense played today. Toni Kukoc would've receive Kevin Love treatment every play on defense in today's NBA, yet they always allowed Payton to guard Jordan 1on1 the whole game. Jordan really is the GOAT tho, there's no denying that. Even at his mid 30's he still manage to average 30 ppg with this type of offense.
I'd say thats why Payton fought hard to stop him from getting the ball in the first place and didn't let him get easy post ups. MJ was a beast but this Sonics team in this series tamed him a little.
You are correct. The best and most obvious way to slow Jordan down is to deny him the ball. But CLEARLY than is easier said than done. Over the years, MANY teams have attempted to corral Jordan and have met with less than limited success at best. I'd say the best team that really slowed Jordan down was the bad boy pistons. To defend Jordan successfully, you have to bend the defensive rules and cheat on defense. Guys like Jordan, shaq and bird make a mockery of basic basketball defense. The bad boy pistons era allowed for this very type of "cheating" on defense that gave the advantage to the pistons. That type of defense ain't allowed today.
That was textbook defense against one the best to ever play the game thus far. Basic strategy for guarding great players is to deny the ball but it will not work if you dont get good backside help. Trying to stop a player like Jordan is a foolish goal. You can only hope to contain him and try to limit his points. Payton did his job well in this game.
You can literally tell right at the tip off the game off basketball has changed it’s crazy how physical everyone was on the first possession on the boards
Payton didn't lock Jordan down, but he made him work hard to get the ball, and a double team usually came quickly when Jordan got the ball. Still the energy and effort to deny Jordan the ball was incredible.
This is indeed some masterful defensive work by Gary Payton, but I'm here to disspell any illusion that "George Karl not putting Payton on Jordan" was the main difference in why the Sonics, who lost 2 of their first 3 games by 20+ points, were suddenly winning against the Bulls by double-digits. Yes, Payton's defense clearly made a difference in Jordan's performance, but I swear, people never learn that *correlation does not equal causation!* The difference of Payton's defense was actually *relatively minor* compared to other *incredibly massive* factors that *far better* explain the difference between the first half and second half of the series! The *real* reasons why we went from seeing double-digit Bulls victories to double-digit Sonics victories were *far* more a result of *Hersey Hawkins* (the Sonics' shooting guard and a three-point sharpshooter) suddenly disappearing in the games they lost, Payton's *offensive* failings in the games his team lost, and the Bulls *supporting cast* disappearing in the two games the team lost! Did Payton holding MJ to 8 less points per game have an effect? Yes, indeed. But was it why the Bulls suddenly went from a *22-point victory* in Game 3 to a *21-point loss* in Game 4 (a 43-point swing)! Absolutely not! Hawkins normally averaged 16 points and 3 assists per game, but scored only 9 points in Game 1, 12 points in Game 3, and *4* points in Game 6, and across the four games Seattle lost, he went a *combined* 2-for-15 from three-point land with 3 assists *total* (or
I wouldn't say that he locked him down but he definitely forced him to take tougher shots. I wasn't alive during this time so I'll never get to see where the Sonics or Jazz went wrong in the finals
Misconception that Payton only started guarding him this game. Payton immediately guarded Jordan and vice versa since game 1. Once the Bulls took the early leads, Gary had to switch because his offense was suffering. Payton got extra physical in game 4, and Karl called for a double team on MJ or Pip if they touched the ball. UA-cam videos never tell the story. You would've had to live through this to know
Brian Wowk True,but LBJ doesn't have to face the overall most talented era of the 1980's...loaded era. So if we take a knotch away from MJ; why aren't we applying the same measure to Lebron now? Was the 2007 eastern conference anywhere close to the 1980's eastern conference of any year that decade?
whenever people say that dumba$$ line like "Jordan had the refs in his pocket, you couldn't touch him" people should refer them to this video. he and GP were being very physical and the refs let them play it out. it was like that most of the series (and really most of his career). people heard Magic make that comment during the Dream Team video and then everyone ran with it, without doing their homework.
+Coach It was not the case his first few years in the league, but during the 90's if Jordan drove and there was contact, it was a foul on the opposing player. Never did I see an offensive foul called on him during the 90's.
acorn sucks then you clearly didn't watch basketball. 90's MJ wasn't dumb enough to run over a player but he did get offensive fouls for using his off hand to hold off shot blockers. ***** And guess what... MJ did get fouled. A LOT! so the refs were supposed to call those fouls. He got a lot of touches on offense and he used a lot of fakes, jabs, and played with people mentally that would make them bite on his fakes and be over aggressive. All those work into him drawing fouls, which then leads to him getting easier shots.
Coach you clearly are a novice. The "Jordan rule" was commonly talked about among NBA players. You must be a teenager at the most. Stop wasting my time with your lightweight comments.
No compliance None of what you wrote is even remotely true. You kept writing "____ confirmed it" and I'm gonna need you to list references, sources, legit quotes to back that up. Seems to me like you misunderstood some interviews or articles you may have seen. The second half of the 90s was the weakest? You can't be serious! And if the Bulls teams were so "Stacked" then please tell me the all-stars that were on that team outside of MJ and Pip? Are you referring to Luc Longley? Ron Harper? Kerr? Buschler? Randy Brown? Dickey Simpkins? Jason Caffey? Come on man, MJ had the least amount of talent around him of the great champions. Only Hakeem in his two championship years can be in that argument for least talented teams. The Bulls were a well oiled machine in at a time when the NBA was starting to shift to more of an selfish league because of the money being thrown around. The Bulls understood their roles better than anyone and they had a great system to play under. but don't overhype their talent level.
Coach How about the nba rule changes page: www.nba.com/analysis/rules_history.html Look it up on basketball reference to see that at no other time in the nba were there so many teams with lowest all time w/l records; that's my source, and inarguable source at that. Expansion helped the bulls win. -The Bulls collectively had the best defense by a mile for years. -That simply speaks to the weakness of the 90's and the strength of the 80's. I would agree that MJ/Hakeem had less around them, BUT I'd add that in the 1980's if you didn't have a relevant center, and a lot of help you weren't getting to the playoffs. People don't even remember that it was The Heat in 1997 ECF's. a mediocre team at best, and a team that would be eaten alive in the 1980's...now if someone asked who played in the 1982 ECF's people remember. Philly was number 3 and won against an awesome Celtics team in the east; and that team would be perennial champs in the 90's. Please consider that in 1989 the pistons were the best, BUT that very same team couldn't even get past the ECF's for the better part of 10 years simply b/c of Philly and Boston. That is how stacked the 80's was. Ask MJ who had all stars, and George Gervin who two years prior to joining chicago had a scoring title and led the playoffs in ppg.
Lets put things in perspective. The Sonics were done 0-3 heading to this game so they were playing with extra intensity and desperation; and it showed as it wasnt only GP that was playing intensely. GP defense on MJ was good, but nothing MJ never faced before (Pistons, Knicks).
@@hwyhustlin1996 I'm pretty aware of what the title says. But there are plenty of videos of it saying an individual player locking down another. Only a fool would state the obvious that team defense is required to slow down a great player. The title of the video shows the great defense that payton played on him hence the title of the video. Team defense is not a foreign concept to anyone who actually understands basketball so your comment is irrelevant and speaks for itself.
@@hwyhustlin1996 no it's not an opinion. U are just stating the obvious that team defense is used vs every player. No player is shut down or slowed down 1 on 1. You have no reason for stating the obvious other than trying to defend mj or something. I bet u don't go on every video about one player locking down another and then state that he didn't lock that player down without help. I think that's pretty self explanatory .
Great D for sure but the consistent help is what saved GP. They harassed the heck out of him which is what you had to do. He definitely made it very difficult though
Hakeem Olajuwon. Most blocks ever 3x blocks leader 2X rebounds leader 9x NBA defensive team Top 10 steals all time 2x DPOY Just for kicks hes also 1xNBA MVP 2x FINALS MVP The first to win MVP, DPOY and finals MVP in same year 1 of 4 people to have quaduple double......he did it twice The most 5 by 5's The most 6 by 5's The only person to retire in the top 11 in points , rebounds, blocks, and steals.
I was skeptical when I read the title, but Payton did a good job on him. 23 pts isn't locking down a guy but add in 80 pts as a team and they locked down Chicago for sure.
Unbelievable work rate from Payton. It's not that he could "lock down" Jordan or anything like that but god damn he could make him work for it. I remember this game well: I think Payton's effort infected the whole team. Finally played Sonic basketball. Too bad we couldn't do it earlier.
gary payton honestly wrapping him/fouling him a lot. I mean its kinda like how people play defense in the park but all of that shit is wrapping/hand-checking. Its interesting how he fronts jordan though, and how he seems to not defend hip to hip but between jordan and the basket. This means he had a defensive strategy that involved the big man switching on jordan when he went inside or if jordan caught the ball over GP while he was fronting him. The defense is actually GP + the big man.
Adam Moreira whole different series if u ask me LOL I guess MJ don’t care cuz he won the ring, but he actin like GP didn’t make him work at all. “I had other things on my mind” yeah sure the Father’s Day thing is a sensitive issue, but let one of MJ’s teammates tell him they got other things on their mind! I bet u Jordan woulda torched their azz so bad 😂😂 fucc that GP held his own.
Maybe the Bulls would have still won, but almost definitely not in six. The Sonics flushed the first two games down the toilet (game three it wouldn't have mattered) and Payton on Jordan probably results in them taking at least one of those first two.
0:49 Triple Team 1:08 Double Team 1:55 Quadruple Team 2:13 Triple Team 2:38 Double Team 2:50 Double Team 3:04 Triple Team 4:54 Double Team My hands are getting sore typing. 5:56 Triple Team 6:26 Triple Team 6:38 Triple Team 6:58 Double Team 7:14 Double Team 😆 and these are just the highlights. 🤥 yep GP locked MJ down alright. 🤦🤦🤦.
They did the same things in the first three games with Hawkins as the primary defender and it didn't work. Your rhetoric is denied. Also, you're badly exaggerating, which is why nobody takes you seriously.
@@davidgee4399 Hard to take you seriously when you don't even know that Detlef Shrempf *not* Hersey Hawkins was the primary defender on MJ until game 3. Also when trolling try not to start out by agreeing to then disagree. It makes you look confused. Lastly, don't be triggered and emotional 😂🤣😂🤣😂 cause I pointed out the obvious in a video.
Theres no way theyd allow Gary to defend Mike like this under these rules today. This is real defense right here. Gary Payton in my top 5 defenders ever and he often gets slept on in point guard rankings. Absolute domination on defensive end miles away better on defensive end than any other point guard to play the game. One of my personal favorite players.
Yes but in others games in this finals jordan scores 27 average.. Just for Jordans standard was low
this is not even a defense it's a fucking foul most of the time
In this era you can look at your opponent and draw a Tech lmao
All I'm seeing is bad offense. The way you counter fronting defense like this is to just spread the floor. That way you can either lob it over the top or swing to the open 3pt shooter. The bulls spacing here is terrible. There are 3 or even 4 white jerseys in the lane every single play so they had trouble lobbing it over the top to Jordan. This type of defense wouldn't work today because you would give up a wide open 3 with numerous players able to hit close to 40%, which is equivalent to 60% from 2pt range. I mean look, I loved watching basketball in the 90s but the talent level nowadays is crazy high and it's silly to think that if you teleported players from the 90s to today that the current players would be demoted to the gleague because they can't hang with the likes of Dan Majerle, Danny ainge, Ron Harper, or Byron Russell. The competition to get to the nba level is much higher now and that's just an objective fact based on a numbers game. It's the same reason a division 3a high school with a school size of 800 kids cant compete with a 5a high school with 5000 kids. Starting at the high school level you have so many more people who are playing the game that you have to be amazing just to make the Varsity high school team in most high schools. And now the US kids have to also compete with the huge international pool of players to land a spot in the NBA. Anyways, my point is that we should enjoy different eras of basketball what it is. To compare different eras is pointless. Future generations will always improve and that's just the way it is. 50 years from now it would be silly to think that today's teams could beat those teams from the future, just like how it's silly to think that Wilt Chamberlain was literal Paul Bunyan and was the most athletic human being in the history of mankind who, at 7 feet 1, could run a 4.5 yard dash, could reach almost 4 feet above the rim with a vertical of 45 inches, and bench press 500 pounds with arms longer than Kevin Durants. I think he could walk on water too and turn water into wine. Too bad now that we need actual evidence to back up claims we will never see anyone else as athletic as wilt ever again for the rest of eternity, just like we will never see another Jesus christ. TLDR: none of this shit matters and I just wasted 15 mins of my life that I will never get back.
Well...nobody would be able to guard MJ with these soft rules and skinny ass players now. MJ could grind with anyone and he would average about 40-45 while shooting 52-53% easily today. If GP also played, he would still be into you. Just look at Patrick Beverly. He's a better version of Beverly.
Who is here after MJ laughed at The Glove on TLD
me lol
Look like mj was lying
Mac...... Who won the series? And MVP? MJ wasn't lying... Of course Gary guarded him... But its not like he shutdown MJ the whole series... Hater
And i think MJ had 27 point's in game 4.....
@@jeffcouture7477 And 36 in game 3
This is some of the best perimeter defense I've ever seen . Mike was missing some makeable shots but you gotta give Gary credit , he played some great defense
Too bad today’s nba is soft
Nah he was just hacking the whole time lol
@@savagedan6274 but the offensive of the NBA todays are high even the Center can shoot threes
@@savagedan6274 the nba is like that cuz of money plus these nba players today much more stronger and faster it a be way to many injuries especially to the stars and if all the stars getting injured who gone watch the nba it’s all bout money that don’t make players in the nba soft it ain’t they fought rules changed
@@savagedan6274 defense and physicality are two different things the defense in the 90s was trash the rules allowed Jordan to play 1 on 1 basketball
Wow what a defensive effort from the whole team. Don't see nothing like this often
@dcosb09 kobe fans respect mj . It's only the bronsexual that started the "plumber" narrative
@YALL NEED HELP you yourself need to watch the games
@@ronaszn9728 Lol nope. Discredit Kobe and they'll say the same thing.
You can see similar defense in the 2020 playoffs from Lakers, Heat etc. These defenders are still bums aside From Gary
@@boyzaya15 You are naive as hell.
I remember spurs defense on bron in 2014. Kawhi locked bron then if bron pass him there's TD and rest to help
This Sonics team was very underrate, 64 wins this year dominated a very tough west and were as good defensively almost as any team you'll see. Payton an amazing defender, very rare. Fast enough to stay in front of MJ on the perimeter strong enough to cause problems in the post.
kawhi leonard 6'8 240lb 7'3 wingspan larger hands would give MJ more trouble than anyone he ever faced. he was lucky not to have pippen on another team checking him because i really doubt jordan would be as succesffull without one of the best permiter defenders of all time in pippen.
Jonathan Cortes wow! You don’t think MJ would have been as successful if you took away his 2nd best teammate ever?? That surprises me 😂😂
nasir ali of course he wouldn’t be. Lebron never won a ring without 2 all star teammates. Magic never won without Kareem. All of them every great player needs help. It’s the way it is.
Chicago struggled offensively over the last 3 games of this series after making payton the primary defender on MJ. MJ performed below his usual standards and the Bulls didn't score more than 87 points during those last 3 games. The Bulls are lucky Seattle waited until they were already down 3-0 to make that switch because it could've been a very different series had they done this from the start.
Rick Kawhi wouldn’t be a good guy to defend MJ. Older Mj maybe but certainly not prime MJ. The idea was to put a smaller guy on MJ to stop his penetration, Kawhi is an amazing defender but he isn’t staying in front of prime MJ
Not only Payton….but that overall team defense and switches was a sight to behold
Michael was 6/19 22 points Peyton was 7/10 for 19 points. Peyton did lock him down.
Missed 3 games or was in foul trouble for them?
Yep he played Jordan well but it didnt last long. Mike had 37 next game
@@daveparker5541 he got down this game. But peyton got in foul trouble guarding Da 🐐🤦🏾♂️🤣🤣🤦🏾♂️💯
Jordan average 24ppg while GP was guarding him on 37% shooting. And 27ppg during the 96 finals series.
@@jarvasedundy1 it's because Gary didn't start guarding him until game 4
Guarding MJ is not an easy job, I know GP had to mentaly prepare himself to guard the Greatest, and he did a good job.
Brian Wowk thats because stockton was the king of pick and roll. if it was a one on game, gary would destroy stockton.
maybe he not they great
never the greatest.-
@@juansagredo580 was this the only game Sonics won ?
Yea man and that’s the refs we’re still giving ghost calls in favor of mj. The glove had sum absurd foul calls against him in this game
Who is watching after mj just laughed at the glove in 'The last dance'
Waching after
me
Tf was that mj?
He missed several open shots in this clip alone. I think Jordan was being honest, although Payton was playing excellent defense during this series.
Plus Gary Payton had a torn calf in this series.
0:57 Look at the Glove and MJ battling for position. All that contact, and no foul. That's a foul every time today. Back then, that was just good hard-nosed physical play as players were actually allowed to put their hands on one another.
They still allow physical defense like that IF the defender involved has a defensive reputation, if the 2 players are superstars, or if it's the playoffs. Look at Patrick Beverly/Tony Allen highlights or look at Kobe vs Melo in the playoffs
Jordan's footwork is incredible!!
Glazing
i respect the toughness of the glove. Jordan just missed a few open shots and every time he got the ball he flew by him but the help defense was freaking amazing. No one player can ever stop Jordan, The sonics as a team stopped him, more weak side help needs to be credited.
Facts! Great observation
Thsts what the rest of the team was for. I like how mj stayed with a core set of guys instead of super teaming . Pippin was just some guy before mj and the bulls
You have to help guarding jordan,but Payton stood his ground for the most part,don't know why mj laughed
This is what the warriors run on defense because they have a small line up
@@leftyzone2429 Well Jordan laughed because Gary Payton lied he said he is the only one that contained Jordan,. And that's not true it was team defense that slowed MJ down
you can't see this kind of defense anymore
no more hand checking
Fuckin sucks 2020 omg
@Kawhi the terminator Leonard hilarious 🤦🏾♂️
emman castro got to love old heads. Guaranteed you don’t watch a single minute of nab today if you make claims this bold and stupid.
gary payton was 6'4 180lbs soaking in sweat giving 6'6 215lb jordan trouble...is it wild to assume that kawhi leonard 6'7 240 lbs 7'3 wngspan and giant hands WOULD give jordan even more trouble? what about 6'10 245 lb 7 foot wingspan ben simmons on jordan? would that be easier or harder than payton? lol what about paul george 6'8 225 lbs 6'11 wingspan checking jordan? i can go on and on but come on dont act as if the 90s basketball was the best
Play defense like that in today's NBA, Payton would foul out by halftime.
And that is why 90s ball was the best era of the NBA
look at these 90s nostalgic old heads 😂😂😂
And whar about The knicks defenders players 90's ?
You're lying to yourself. Watch a game for once
You ain’t lying. Out of curiosity, I watched the Bulls/Heat game tonight. Haven’t watched bball in years. No defense, fouls left and right. Bump into somebody and they foul you. Crazy.
I really hope Seattle can get an NBA team again within the next couple of years
Now in Oklahoma bro
There's been talks about it. They had a loyal fan base and had some incredible teams/players. They definitely deserve to. I would like to see a team in Las Vegas but after what happened in the all star game, I can't see that happening lol
Nah they don’t have the market for one anymore
Clip’s?
I'll give you the Timberwolves if we can get the Lakers back
Payton was a great defensive artist. But, ppl tend to forget he was probably the best lob alley oop set up specialist as well. Just watch highlights of him and Kemp.
Michael Jordan only shot 51 of 123 (41.5%) from the field this series, and averaged nine fewer points than his Finals average at the time (36.3 PPG 1991-1993).
But 1990-1993 was Jordans prime, there was no stopping Jordan in his prime.The next 3 peat, when he came back from baseball he was still MJ but not nearly as good. Just look at his stats from his prime and second three peat.
Why are you being defensive regarding my comment?
By the way, I am very aware that this is not Michael in his prime. That comment was in affirmation of Gary Payton's defensive greatness.
+Young Rain most people consider Jordan's best season to be this year.
No they do not; this may have been his best from a team success standpoint, but Jordan was clearly not the same player that he was from 1987-93.
i wish Seattle had been able to play like this the whole series. such a great group of players that deserved a championship.
Ain’t gone lie that first shot by Michael was too clean.
Shit was nasty
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Glazing
GP IS ONE OF THE BEST ALL AROUND PLAYERS EVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE LEAGUE....
Watching Jordan and Payton fight for position is epic. It reminded me of a street ball game. Very physical. Neither man backing down. Obviously Jordan is Jordan. You can't "stop" him. But the back and forth between him and Payton was always fun to watch.
I mean Gary stopped him for 80% of his shots wym Jordan Stan todays NBA is much more talented and oldheads won’t admit it
@@TheKingofKingscorona Nowhere near close to the talent of the 80s and 90s. Not even close.
@The Kount 🧢
@The Kount These soft ass flopping sissies they you worship dont even play defense. GTFOH😂😂😂
@MasterP.. LMAO please never talk or watch basketball again. If anything todays league is weaker, the NBA literally bends the rules for players offensively nowadays. Overrated
That was the series that I felt in love with NBA basketball. Sonics and Payton kept Jordan under 30ppg in Final, i think they are the only team that did that. MJ always had over 30ppg in his final series.
@Lisa Rose Nah only way to slow Mj is to play really aggressive and physical for 4 quarters with the sole goal of playing defence only no scoring or rebounding. Guys today can't touch MJ, today's era is offence heavy. No defensive IQ or awareness. Only Kahwi Leonard can succeed in slowing down MJ but even still he doesn't have that type of Stamina to do this with his load management approach nor is he quick laterally like Westbrook or D rose. But he has the large hands and wingspan to force turnovers occasionally. This version of MJ was turning 34, 28 Year Old MJ would give the Taller Athletes today problem, Mike was a SG with the Hands, Wingspan of a 7 footer and ridiculous post game. He was a big SG Guard.
Lisa Rose I honestly think MJ would have 40ppg in today’s Nba.
@Lisa Rose
2007 Nba Finals.
Lebron was shut down by a 35-year-old 6"7 Bruce Bowen.
Lebron James = 22-ppg FG-35%
2011 Nba Finals.
Lebron James can not dominate vs 38-year-old Jason Kidd who was drafted in 1994.
@@allanhouston6759 huh ?
*1996 nba finals, gary payton completely shuts down michael jordan, holding him to 27 ppg on 40% shooting from the field, 31% from shortened 3 point line, michael jeffrey jordan is overrated*
@@rapereggae7961 moar liek 69 ppg
GP had amazing feet. He could front his man and try to deny the pass but still recover whenever the ball got through was always amazing to watch,
gp was making him work love that a PG was on jordan wont ever see that in today's basketball a defensive minded pg
There was nobody in the world that could guard Jordan on a consistent basis every game of a series. Michael got his looks but he finished 6/19 in this game. I'd say that's a good day for the defense, help or no help
You have one of the best collections of Rustic NBA moments on youtube. Thanks for putting in the work on this channel.
Seattle had so many advantages and the same weakness at center. With the right focus they win this series. They relied to heavily on the bullying of Brickowski and not enough on the savvy of Sam Perkins.
Stop
George Caral got out coached! How do you not understand that Payton NEEDS to guard Jordan and why wasn't Kemp shooting more shots? The Bulls had no answer for Kemp!
6:10 Phil Jackson take off glasses like i cant believe this shit.lol
Chicago had a third hall-of-famer who came through in this series and dominated...R O D M A N!!!
George Karl said he was the reason they lost to the Bulls
George Karl's biggest mistake...waiting until this game to make GP the primary defender for MJ. Just doesn't make any damn sense.
GP was also running the bulk of the offense but yeah, you right. George Karl should have had him on MJ from the start.
Manu Ginobilis Bald Spot lol he shaved his head so now he's just bald at least and retired this year love the profile though lol
people forget he also played with a torn hamstring
damn jordan went up with the left hand! he has too many moves
Kobe and Kawhi cold with their lefts too
@@ASHTREY he’s left handed just shoots right
That type of defense brought tears to my eyes this shit today brings tears to my eyes
jordan wrecked him in gme 3 when it mattered to put the series away but payton was his best defender. jordan played against so much physicality
i thought they didn't put payton on mj until game 4
Payton was nasty. I'd put him on my all time starting 5 just because of his defense. Payton MJ Lebron Rodman Olajuwon. I think defense is so important and you got 4 of these 5 guys who can score when they want to.
Gary Payton is the greatest pg defender ever to play but he didnt lock MJ down. he limited his touches and played tenacious defense when jordan got the ball but never really stopped MJ.
he held jordan to 22pts on 37% shooting, thats locking someone down who usually scores in the upper thrities in the series.
Yea but the cult of Jordan refuses to hear that
@@cube_2593 They were literally double and triple teaming Jordan the whole series
@@cube_2593Limiting someone to under 30 isn't locking them down. It's slowing them down.
Holding them to under 10 is locking them down.
@@TrueGOATs or 8 points agaisnt JJ Barea.
This shows you how great both of them were. Gary was lockdown and MJ was lights out 😂😂💯
Joe glazer
Gary Payton played spectaculaur defense, but the rest of the defense definetely kept an eye on Jordan. Payton would seal off the outside interior, forcing Jordan inside, and the center would be ready to tightly contest the shot. This is similar to what the Pistons did with their system dubbed "Jordan Rules," that effectively contained Jordan forcing him to give the ball to someone else.
Team defense and strategy was genius.
Goddamn this was good basketball....miss ya MJ. I miss Kobe, too..but Jordan's era was so much more enjoyable before the flopping and gansta attitudes started.
There wasn't flopping in this but MJ still got BS phantom calls 2-3 times.
That's what you call GREAT DEFENSE.
The Sonics must have regret ever trading Scottie Pippen away for Olden Polynice in 1987
Yeah but you forget, MJ made Pippen into an all-star everyday. Pippen has said this. MJ focused on Pippen and gave him advice everyday in practice. Just like how Kobe says he doesn't win 5 rings without MJ's advice. Pippen wouldn't have had that in Seattle. Before MJ started grooming Pippen, they were saying he had a lot of talent but no skill and was a sloppy player. I mean there are a ton of talented players that never met there full potential. MJ did this for Pippen. Thats another reason MJ is the Goat, Bill Russell also had this ability to make players better. Players like Lebron will never get it.
@@craigwilson5365 the real regret is not trading Kemp for Pippen in 95
Wu Livei Yes Pippen would have been the one of only two point guards in the western conference with size to deal with Magic Johnson.He could have been a bigger version of Gary Payton.
@@dwightlove3704 pippen is not a point gaurd fool
@@erichvonmanstein6876 He has the skills to be a Point Guard while in college he developed those ball handling skills to be a PG.He just needed to gain some size he was the only person on the Bulls to play the position.
Looked like a tough physical game when Peyton guarded him, but he was double teamed every play. They had PHENOMENOL team defense. Jordan was losing Payton every time it was one on one.
Say what you want, Gary made his mark on MJ, his defense prevented MJ from going 50pts in each game. Gary was on the all defense 1st team 10yrs in a row
Stop
@@erichvonmanstein6876 just spitting facts
No, not even close. Why because you say? Again, just stop. We have enough bulls@$t we dont need yours too kid. Stop
Put This Game On NBA TV Hardwood Classic On TV
After mj was caught on the last dance video laughing at payton saying he tired out mj, there's going to be a lot more new comments and views on here.
Personally i think gp did a great job (lower fg%), but the team defense's schemes definitely helped too.
As for mj laughing, mj wouldn't be mj without his overwhelming confidence in himself.
Dude that fadeaway was nice and laid back MJ23 the Goat!
The sent double teams on MJ.
Gary did a good job making him work to catch the ball, but as soon as he got it help came.
Jordan normally would beat the double team though. With GP and help that made it tough.
George Karl dropped the ball not letting GP guard mj from game one he torched Hershey Gary had the same intensity as Mike I miss my Sonic's and the old NBA
Exactly. What coach in they right mind would allow Hershey fuckin Hawkins to guard MJ with Gary Payton on the team?
Don’t get me wrong GP is a good defender but all I see is a mike getting double teamed almost Everytime he touched the ball and the shots he normally make he just simply misses. the only credit that I will give is that GP made it hard for MJ to get the ball. If it was clear isolation, mike would eat him alive.
lol obviously MJ would be double teamed. when they say GP guarded MJ it means he guarded him more then the other players in hes team. and he guarded him almost all game long when he didnt have the ball.
Damn these were good memories.
i guess you can say that Gary touched Jordan
Alejandro Perez L
What?
I haven't Seen this type of Payton Defense since forever man
Jordan is the best clutch performer ever, he is possessed of winning. Kobe is a very close second, if he would have played with Pippen, Rodman and co he probably would have won the same championship rings as Jordan did (would have been interesting to see Kobe vs the Bad Boys).
All the stats doesn´t mean a thing, if you shoot 30% and win your games you´ve done your job.
Nawwwww not at all Kobe is a distant second very distant in comparison to Jordan. Bird is more clutch than Kobe too
If Jordan had a center like Shaquille O'Neal or Pau Gasol and a PG as Steve Nash, he would had at least 12 rings
vinicius oliveira nah.... remember after Shaq the team was not that great aside from Gasol. Jordan was great not GOD. completely different era... Jordan is the Goat but there are more athletic players than ever so we can't say what Jordan would have done offensively or defensively.
Grown man's league back then. Both MJ and Payton has the correct attitude about this situation
I already had a ton of respect for GP after watching him his entire career. but seeing this video, just shortly after watching today's NBA. I have a new found respect for the Glove. outside of a few guys like Melo & KD I don't think there's a player today who would have a good game vs GP. and those guys would mainly due to their height advantage. but even still I can see them struggling most nights vs GP. Not only do you have to deal with his defense but he also trash talks you the entire time. thats hard to deal with.
Curry would give him trouble. So would CP3. I think Westbrook would be hell to guard too.
+Bryson Townsend So Curry and Cp3 are harder to guard than Michael Jordan? gtf outta here
+Bryson Townsend don't get it twisted. Curry and CP3 don't break people down one on one or post up. they use a ton of ball screens (usually moving screens from their bigs) in order to get into open space. but as far as on ball man to man defense, none of those guys, (Westbrook included) would do work against GP. the guys feet were too quick and he had the length, ( at 6'4 )with the heart, and defensive I.Q. I'm not just speaking one game. anyone of those guys could get hot for one game but let's say a whole 7 game series. no way any of them are coming out on top. and we know for sure they can't hold GP on the other end either.
+Coach You're a smart dude, not many people pay attention to stuff like that
+Coach you may be right about the fact that gp would give those guys trouble one on one but this game isn't about one on one play it's about team play, so when come to ball screens gp himself would still have some trouble sometimes
Clogged lanes, no screens, no ball movements, zero outside shooting, and everybody just trying to feed Jordan in the every play. The defense looks great in this era because the offense is so damn ugly compared to how offense played today.
Toni Kukoc would've receive Kevin Love treatment every play on defense in today's NBA, yet they always allowed Payton to guard Jordan 1on1 the whole game.
Jordan really is the GOAT tho, there's no denying that. Even at his mid 30's he still manage to average 30 ppg with this type of offense.
Gary was denying him the ball great but when Jordan got the ball Payton couldn't guard him
I'd say thats why Payton fought hard to stop him from getting the ball in the first place and didn't let him get easy post ups. MJ was a beast but this Sonics team in this series tamed him a little.
Jaylen Ellison fuckin right
You are correct. The best and most obvious way to slow Jordan down is to deny him the ball. But CLEARLY than is easier said than done. Over the years, MANY teams have attempted to corral Jordan and have met with less than limited success at best. I'd say the best team that really slowed Jordan down was the bad boy pistons. To defend Jordan successfully, you have to bend the defensive rules and cheat on defense. Guys like Jordan, shaq and bird make a mockery of basic basketball defense. The bad boy pistons era allowed for this very type of "cheating" on defense that gave the advantage to the pistons. That type of defense ain't allowed today.
That was textbook defense against one the best to ever play the game thus far. Basic strategy for guarding great players is to deny the ball but it will not work if you dont get good backside help. Trying to stop a player like Jordan is a foolish goal. You can only hope to contain him and try to limit his points. Payton did his job well in this game.
he shot 41% the whole series tho, payton defended him very well
You can literally tell right at the tip off the game off basketball has changed it’s crazy how physical everyone was on the first possession on the boards
Dayum jordan was unguardable
Lol he was just missing shots tho. Gp did a good job denying him the ball but once he got it gp didnt even bother trying to get a hand in his face
Payton didn't lock Jordan down, but he made him work hard to get the ball, and a double team usually came quickly when Jordan got the ball. Still the energy and effort to deny Jordan the ball was incredible.
look at those finals ppg for mj! he is the goat
tor howell no this wasn't the only finals he played in. And his finals avg is 30 for his career
This is indeed some masterful defensive work by Gary Payton, but I'm here to disspell any illusion that "George Karl not putting Payton on Jordan" was the main difference in why the Sonics, who lost 2 of their first 3 games by 20+ points, were suddenly winning against the Bulls by double-digits. Yes, Payton's defense clearly made a difference in Jordan's performance, but I swear, people never learn that *correlation does not equal causation!* The difference of Payton's defense was actually *relatively minor* compared to other *incredibly massive* factors that *far better* explain the difference between the first half and second half of the series!
The *real* reasons why we went from seeing double-digit Bulls victories to double-digit Sonics victories were *far* more a result of *Hersey Hawkins* (the Sonics' shooting guard and a three-point sharpshooter) suddenly disappearing in the games they lost, Payton's *offensive* failings in the games his team lost, and the Bulls *supporting cast* disappearing in the two games the team lost! Did Payton holding MJ to 8 less points per game have an effect? Yes, indeed. But was it why the Bulls suddenly went from a *22-point victory* in Game 3 to a *21-point loss* in Game 4 (a 43-point swing)! Absolutely not!
Hawkins normally averaged 16 points and 3 assists per game, but scored only 9 points in Game 1, 12 points in Game 3, and *4* points in Game 6, and across the four games Seattle lost, he went a *combined* 2-for-15 from three-point land with 3 assists *total* (or
I wouldn't say that he locked him down but he definitely forced him to take tougher shots. I wasn't alive during this time so I'll never get to see where the Sonics or Jazz went wrong in the finals
Misconception that Payton only started guarding him this game. Payton immediately guarded Jordan and vice versa since game 1. Once the Bulls took the early leads, Gary had to switch because his offense was suffering.
Payton got extra physical in game 4, and Karl called for a double team on MJ or Pip if they touched the ball.
UA-cam videos never tell the story. You would've had to live through this to know
No wonder why stockton was harder to guard.
he was
There is nothing more incredible than when michael jordan shoots that turn around jump shot
thumbs up if anyone misses real defense! lebron doesnt face what mj, bird, magic had to face...sorry.
Brian Wowk True,but LBJ doesn't have to face the overall most talented era of the 1980's...loaded era. So if we take a knotch away from MJ; why aren't we applying the same measure to Lebron now? Was the 2007 eastern conference anywhere close to the 1980's eastern conference of any year that decade?
Brian Wowk I'd like to see 1980's multiple stacked teams but not this two team king of the hill crap...
look back on nba.... the defence was much more crazy than nowdays nba.....
Players still wanna play like that. But NBA Is afraid of their clean image and sponsor interest to let them get dirty.
didnt know that.... means nba is more to gambling game nowdays
whenever people say that dumba$$ line like "Jordan had the refs in his pocket, you couldn't touch him" people should refer them to this video. he and GP were being very physical and the refs let them play it out. it was like that most of the series (and really most of his career). people heard Magic make that comment during the Dream Team video and then everyone ran with it, without doing their homework.
+Coach It was not the case his first few years in the league, but during the 90's if Jordan drove and there was contact, it was a foul on the opposing player. Never did I see an offensive foul called on him during the 90's.
acorn sucks then you clearly didn't watch basketball. 90's MJ wasn't dumb enough to run over a player but he did get offensive fouls for using his off hand to hold off shot blockers. ***** And guess what... MJ did get fouled. A LOT! so the refs were supposed to call those fouls. He got a lot of touches on offense and he used a lot of fakes, jabs, and played with people mentally that would make them bite on his fakes and be over aggressive. All those work into him drawing fouls, which then leads to him getting easier shots.
Coach you clearly are a novice. The "Jordan rule" was commonly talked about among NBA players. You must be a teenager at the most. Stop wasting my time with your lightweight comments.
No compliance None of what you wrote is even remotely true. You kept writing "____ confirmed it" and I'm gonna need you to list references, sources, legit quotes to back that up. Seems to me like you misunderstood some interviews or articles you may have seen. The second half of the 90s was the weakest? You can't be serious! And if the Bulls teams were so "Stacked" then please tell me the all-stars that were on that team outside of MJ and Pip? Are you referring to Luc Longley? Ron Harper? Kerr? Buschler? Randy Brown? Dickey Simpkins? Jason Caffey? Come on man, MJ had the least amount of talent around him of the great champions. Only Hakeem in his two championship years can be in that argument for least talented teams.
The Bulls were a well oiled machine in at a time when the NBA was starting to shift to more of an selfish league because of the money being thrown around. The Bulls understood their roles better than anyone and they had a great system to play under. but don't overhype their talent level.
Coach How about the nba rule changes page: www.nba.com/analysis/rules_history.html
Look it up on basketball reference to see that at no other time in the nba were there so many teams with lowest all time w/l records; that's my source, and inarguable source at that. Expansion helped the bulls win.
-The Bulls collectively had the best defense by a mile for years.
-That simply speaks to the weakness of the 90's and the strength of the 80's. I would agree that MJ/Hakeem had less around them, BUT I'd add that in the 1980's if you didn't have a relevant center, and a lot of help you weren't getting to the playoffs. People don't even remember that it was The Heat in 1997 ECF's. a mediocre team at best, and a team that would be eaten alive in the 1980's...now if someone asked who played in the 1982 ECF's people remember. Philly was number 3 and won against an awesome Celtics team in the east; and that team would be perennial champs in the 90's.
Please consider that in 1989 the pistons were the best, BUT that very same team couldn't even get past the ECF's for the better part of 10 years simply b/c of Philly and Boston. That is how stacked the 80's was. Ask MJ who had all stars, and George Gervin who two years prior to joining chicago had a scoring title and led the playoffs in ppg.
*Locks down Jordan?? For what 10-20 plays out of 1000?? Jordan has scored hundreds of points over GP*
1000 shots of 3500 takes.
I see a team effort Payton's had alot of help
Man I miss the Sonics. The league hasn't been the same without em
What is remarkable, you could not play Gary Payton defense today.
“I had no problem with The Glove”
A lot of those foul calls were questionable.
Alot!
I remember this game. Sweepless in Seattle was the chant if I recall correctly.
When the game was intense, men were allowed to be men, and before contact was banned.
Wow Jordan, Payton is a real legend as well
People who says NBA is tougher today.
Take a look in this videos.
Locked up where Jordan still looked magical they were sending 2 when ever he touched the ball
They Double team Jordan not only Gary Payton. GP is still an excellent defender though
Lets put things in perspective. The Sonics were done 0-3 heading to this game so they were playing with extra intensity and desperation; and it showed as it wasnt only GP that was playing intensely. GP defense on MJ was good, but nothing MJ never faced before (Pistons, Knicks).
Lol there is so much damn contact I could have been an elite defender in 1996.
When defense was 1/2 the game. GP did play MJ tight but the Goat still avg 27, won the MVP and got the chip in 6
PAYTON NEVER LOCKED JORDAN DOWN WITHOUT OUT HELP
Is basketball 1 on 5 or 5 vs 5. Thanks for stating the obvious.
@@JahleelX-xx9wd MAYBE IF YOU COULD READ IT SAYS" PAYTON LOCKED DOWN JORDAN" IT DIDN'T SAY THE SONICS LOCKED DOWN THE BULLS"
@@hwyhustlin1996 I'm pretty aware of what the title says. But there are plenty of videos of it saying an individual player locking down another. Only a fool would state the obvious that team defense is required to slow down a great player. The title of the video shows the great defense that payton played on him hence the title of the video. Team defense is not a foreign concept to anyone who actually understands basketball so your comment is irrelevant and speaks for itself.
UNLESS I'M MISSING SOMETHING I DON'T SEE WHY MY OPINION IS OF ANY CONCERN YOU NEED A HUG OR SOMETHING?
@@hwyhustlin1996 no it's not an opinion. U are just stating the obvious that team defense is used vs every player. No player is shut down or slowed down 1 on 1. You have no reason for stating the obvious other than trying to defend mj or something. I bet u don't go on every video about one player locking down another and then state that he didn't lock that player down without help. I think that's pretty self explanatory .
Great D for sure but the consistent help is what saved GP. They harassed the heck out of him which is what you had to do. He definitely made it very difficult though
THE GREATEST DEFENDER OF ALL TIME
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Hakeem Olajuwon.
Most blocks ever
3x blocks leader
2X rebounds leader
9x NBA defensive team
Top 10 steals all time
2x DPOY
Just for kicks hes also
1xNBA MVP
2x FINALS MVP
The first to win MVP, DPOY and finals MVP in same year
1 of 4 people to have quaduple double......he did it twice
The most 5 by 5's
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The only person to retire in the top 11 in points , rebounds, blocks, and steals.
I was skeptical when I read the title, but Payton did a good job on him. 23 pts isn't locking down a guy but add in 80 pts as a team and they locked down Chicago for sure.
What Patrick Beverley thinks he is
Unbelievable work rate from Payton. It's not that he could "lock down" Jordan or anything like that but god damn he could make him work for it. I remember this game well: I think Payton's effort infected the whole team. Finally played Sonic basketball. Too bad we couldn't do it earlier.
gary payton honestly wrapping him/fouling him a lot. I mean its kinda like how people play defense in the park but all of that shit is wrapping/hand-checking. Its interesting how he fronts jordan though, and how he seems to not defend hip to hip but between jordan and the basket. This means he had a defensive strategy that involved the big man switching on jordan when he went inside or if jordan caught the ball over GP while he was fronting him. The defense is actually GP + the big man.
Payton did a fantastic job on Jordan. Real defense at its best.
What if Gary Payton had been assigned to cover Michael Jordan the entire series?
Adam Moreira whole different series if u ask me LOL I guess MJ don’t care cuz he won the ring, but he actin like GP didn’t make him work at all. “I had other things on my mind” yeah sure the Father’s Day thing is a sensitive issue, but let one of MJ’s teammates tell him they got other things on their mind! I bet u Jordan woulda torched their azz so bad 😂😂 fucc that GP held his own.
Sonics likely win. Good old George Karl.
6-0 in the finals. He would find a way to win
It will still be the same
Maybe the Bulls would have still won, but almost definitely not in six. The Sonics flushed the first two games down the toilet (game three it wouldn't have mattered) and Payton on Jordan probably results in them taking at least one of those first two.
My favourite PG of all time
THE GLOVE!!!
Man I had forgotten about Brickowski! What a name for a basketball player
Jordan only averaged 22 PPG in this series thanks to Gary
Shocked the nba did not burn this tape
0:49 Triple Team
1:08 Double Team
1:55 Quadruple Team
2:13 Triple Team
2:38 Double Team
2:50 Double Team
3:04 Triple Team
4:54 Double Team
My hands are getting sore typing.
5:56 Triple Team
6:26 Triple Team
6:38 Triple Team
6:58 Double Team
7:14 Double Team
😆 and these are just the highlights.
🤥 yep GP locked MJ down alright.
🤦🤦🤦.
They did the same things in the first three games with Hawkins as the primary defender and it didn't work. Your rhetoric is denied. Also, you're badly exaggerating, which is why nobody takes you seriously.
@@davidgee4399 Hard to take you seriously when you don't even know that Detlef Shrempf *not* Hersey Hawkins was the primary defender on MJ until game 3.
Also when trolling try not to start out by agreeing to then disagree. It makes you look confused.
Lastly, don't be triggered and emotional 😂🤣😂🤣😂 cause I pointed out the obvious in a video.
@@meg-k-waldren None of those things happened that you just said. ARGUMENT OVER YOU LOST
@@davidgee4399 😂🤣😂🤣😂
See folks, that's how you take care of trolls.
Scottie Pippen was the real Finals MVP of that series. Extremely vital in revitalizing Jordan's offense after GP gave Jordan trouble.
Pippen was awful this series
@@mrbattle2013 *in the 1993 Finals series
@@don8244 when mj averaged 40ppg?? Lol most ever in a finals haha