@@markl2815 I love a self referential reference to another reference. And other nonsense. But there are too many unnecessary redundant superfluous references here to Francis' mistake. Just like this comment.
I recently moved my cleats all the way back because of James' advice, moved the saddle down 2 cm orso, also lowered the handlebars, easy aero gains. Calves and feet feel way better now
If you don’t book a bike fit at Bicycle Richmond, you must be mad. My daughter had a fit last Thursday with James and it’s improved her cycling efficiency immediately. At last she has a saddle she feels comfortable on, handlebars we never need to keep experimenting with and proper arch support. We did a round trip of over 200 miles and that and the costs were worth every penny.
This is what I will be doing eventually... I live in Lincoln so a fair old trip, but seen so many people say how good it is... just remember to take some extra cash for at least g8 foot beds 🤣🤣
@Steve King Ask around and get a recommendation. One place to ask is a top level physio, another is a bike shop. The physio connection is good because it means that the fitter works on remedies. The bike shop connection can be someone who is best for initial setup. Be aware of any financial connections.
@Steve King That's a bad experience! Thanks for sharing it. Shows that we need to check out the operator. I want to hear that the fitter has recommendations from people I respect, that's what I was getting at by going via a top physio. Someone who charges again for a minor change doesn't sound professional to me. It is like a bike repair I did a few weeks ago. Customer came back saying that the problem had come back. So I worked through it again, no charge. The customer paid to have it fixed, and that's what they should get.
I watched this back along, and after adjustments regards seat for/aft, down then up, cleats back as far as possible, and lastly Q factor the majority of my knee pain disappeared, the last thing I did was strengthen the IT band and stretch & strengthen everything around the knee, all knee pain gone. Really helpful video👍
having my saddle only 4mm lower then my preferred height instantly makes my knees hurt, maybe its because im flat pedal rider with 360w ftp or something
I've been in the cycling game for forty something years, before Look pedals, it's been that long... I've been watching your videos of late as the approach youse guys have seems far less precious than many other of these on line bike fit gurus..which I reckon is the real way to be... It is truth that so many issues boil down to saddle height, and now looking back to when I was racing a lot in the 80's, my measurements were crazy compared to now, they probably are the reason for the lumbar, cervical and neck issues along with gippy knees that exacerbated a leg length difference. Back then, we all had our noses in Hinault's book on cycle training and fit, rode bikes too big, stems far too long and saddles pushed as far back as possible. Over they years I did drop my saddle, shorten my stem and gave up on the 11 cm saddle setback, but the real revelation came after I had a terrific cycling accident three years ago that seriously damaged left leg and arm. After 8 months I could start riding again but I knew where I was with fit before would have to change. Discovering youse maniacs has helped me tremendously especially with the concept of saddle height and keeping it low, and what more I need to work on next, notably the reach, I'm considering getting a smaller frame from the medium I've ridden for years. But my main comment is that I went out today with a saddle height down about a centimetre and that dodgy knee on the shorter leg, immediately felt so much more comfortable, and the right knee didn't seem to notice at all. For what it's worth, my saddle is now 74 cm where it used to be 78.5 .. ouch... saddle setback is 6cm not 11 any more and reach is 56 not 61.cm... I can't believe I used to ride like that now..... Sorry for prattling on, Cheers!
This is perfect timing for me, I bought a new bike in March and havent been able to have a fit yet (due to covid) and Im fighting knee pain. Edit: I think my issue is related primarily to cleat location. I moved my left cleat further back in conjunction with raising the saddle height and haven't had the pain return in my most recent rides.
Sweet. Don't be afraid to take it really far back. I ride mine as far back as possible on the Shimano Sphyres, I've even removed part of the shoe to get them an extra 4mm further back!
👀 well if it isn’t Rhett Shull 👋😎. I just watched your tuning video before this one, and I’ve got a tuning for you to try! I’ll email ya!? And, I got non-stop knee issues from Shimano pedals that disappeared when I moved to the Look Keo system instead (via Garmin Vector power pedals). Try that if you can, and put your cleats as far back as they’ll go. 👍
Hey Francis (long time no see since Melb!) - I can’t remember: have you and/or James done an ep on neck and shoulder pain? This is something I’ve struggled with since getting back into cycling in my 30s. Keep up the great work 👍
Dan, watch the handlebar video. I got the bars James recommends and my shoulders have never been more relaxed. My old bars were too long in reach and too wide for my arms to relax properly. Also, check out James' Instagram account (@bikefitjames) to see many examples of reach being reduced
I learned this the hard way! Problem is that there are too many people giving unsolicited advice to others to raise their seat otherwise they will have knee pain.
My problem is with numb toes , cleats all the way back still numb now have some g8 footbed they have helped but still numb after about 45 minutes! Any help ?
Love the BFT - even when it’s on a Saturday! ;-) . Looking forward to getting a complete (re) fit with James when COVID clears and I can get back to London. Glad to se that the shop is making it all work.
James is incredible; I moved my cleats back/dropped the seat post a smidge and thing have improved significantly! I love your nuanced approach to biomechanics and the human body. Some day I hope to make the trip from Vancouver Canada to come get a bike fit and nerd out on human movement stuff with him!
Very interesting. But....if I had knee pain, I'd definitely want to check its cause in conjunction with a qualified physiotherapist, as well as a bike fitter. The physiotherapist will not just look at the bike aspect of things. And you cannot second guess their expert knowledge. There may always be some anatomical cause (little or nothing to do with the bike) that you would never find otherwise.
Some of the worst positions I’ve ever seen have been as a result of physio interaction. If pain only occurs when riding the bike it is a bike fit problem and almost never as a result of the riders physiology
@@Bikefitjames Yes. And I wouldn't want a physiotherapist to set up my bike. I'd want them to check exactly why there was a knee pain in the first place. Just in case something else was wrong that a bike fitter would not see.
I moved my cleats inboard and further back and instantly felt my knees were happier after watching your previous video with James talking about that exact issue so thank you for putting the info out there and having James describe it so clearly! Cheers!
Helpful thanks. I've seen 2 professional bike fitters (and yes, one have me shims) and have still ended up with knee pain on one knee, so have taken to tweaking myself. It's tough and hard to fine a good fitter.
Love your channel and love James’ knowledge. This video couldn’t have come at a better time. New shoes, cleats mounted following James’ advice as far back as possible, suddenly left knee pain. Gonna check the saddle hight and the cleat position. Many thanks 🙏🏼
Definitely had anterior pain on a bike too small for me and even my road bike before I raised the saddle. Was good for over a year and now I have anterior pain on the left knee again...err. doesn't help my left leg is noticeably longer ha
Cade & James moreover. Any help please. I’m cleats right back. I’m getting heavy dead legs for 15 months. Ride medium watts , could it be blue fixed cleats ??
I had a bikefit by a 'professional' but I ended up with knee pain on the left knee. The problem is that everyone can be a bikefitter. No diploma is required. So how can I know who can do the job properly?
Not cycled in years and done about 150-60 miles first day quads where gone but that eas because saddle foo kow raised it great but then mh knees went Left then right Feels like my knee caps cant bend them now i did take the ride short notice i should of stopped but didnt eant to give in
Hi Francis, love your videos! Can you ask James about pain to the Vastus Medialis? Get pain after about 1,5 hours+ of 200w+ pressure. Its on the end of the oblique almost right on the knees left side. Is it muscular or tendon related? Know it is hard to pinpoint this without an examination, but I take on all tips and trix there is. Cheers
I had lateral pain in both knees due to my Q factor that's now sorted, however I get pain in my left knee below the kneecap, is that seat for & aft related? I done the rule of thumb seat height of no shoe pedal at 6 o'clock and just feel the pedal on the heel. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Went for a long ride yesterday, thought my knee caps were gonna pop off after I finished my ride. Driving home and pressing the clutch to shift gears hurt. Sitting on the sofa and then trying to stand up felt like my knees were buckling in. Soooo. I should see if any of these work.
have pain on the outside of me left knee only,saddle i believe is the correct height,cleats alway back using shimano SPD pedals also dropped it 50mm and still the same,i notice if i just put non cleat training shoes on and flat pedals my left foot tends to point outwards with toes to 11 oclock,where my right foot is straight.,i dont have arch supports you think they could help or is it a case of trying to get a cleat that would let my foot rotate more to where its comfy? this on a mtb. thanks your videos are a real eye opener, i had a bike fit at out local shop and i felt worse for it.
Can someone please help me with the language? At about 6:10 there is a tipp on how to get rid of medial knee pain. I have listened to that quite a few times now and the automatic subtitles also do not help much. James speeks a little too fast for me at that point, can someone please write down what he says about that? :D Thank you very much!
My boss hates me at work... I keep selling customers Lake shoes even tho we are not a Lake stockist because well we all know Lake shoes are the best.... Best bit every customer has come back in and said how good the shoes are glad I recommended them 😂.
I'm confused. I have knocked knees and have medial knee pain sometimes on right knee and sometimes on left. I use flat pedals. Do I need pedal spacers? Can anyone help please
can't thank enough for these videos. Listening to james made me realise i have no access to proper bikefitting around me in rio and started some trial and error that resulted in a much more comfortable riding position.
I've had problems with my right knee for years (& years), I lowered my saddle mainly because it 'felt' too high, not as a possible solution and over time my knee pain reduced. Think I should look at arches, I'm quite flat footed and use them in my normal shoes. Great advice, thanks.
Hi Francis. I'm always fascinated by the way I see bike fit changes with strength, fitness, and age. With so many people getting into cycling there may be value in addressing "Is a bike fit permanent?" Great work as always!
I still don’t understand how to make sure the saddle height is perfect, and where I am the bike fit places aren’t open because of covid. Can you link a vid or give some clearer tips about dialling in saddle height
Part of the problem is I've been waiting for a bike fit for 5 months. Pain is new, but riding position hasn't changed. Is it a good idea to ride my 3 bikes or stick to one? One pair of shoes or change (is variety better - considering that despite all these videos I still don't know where to start tweaking). I also know that the bike fit I book will up my saddle height - they pretty much told me that in the shop when I picked the bike up (I took in my old bike). I'm also assuming that being out the saddle as much as possible is a good thing? Shoes ARE on the big side to accommodate width, as James says. I'll start with checking that my knee isn't wandering to the outside on the top of the stroke. Maybe move cleats inboard, but I've had them where they are for 2 years with no problems.
I think bike fits are great! But let’s think about it here 🤓...complete waste of energy 🤓...they should be connected to a smoothie maker so when finished you can enjoy a smoothie 🤔🧐🤓🤗🤷🏼♂️
@@Cade_Media This is really interesting. I've slammed my cleats all the way back just for comfort purposes & I've not altered my saddle height although i do feel it's a tad too high.
Great video again. I got a lot of medial kneepain in my left knee a good few months ago. Went for a bike fit as I ride a lot and didn't want any serious injuries. And yes indeed; excessive saddle height. Then I lowered it and tried to build up my effort on the bike without knee pain. Yet again, my knee pain did come up.. How long do you think recovery will be for knee complaints like this?
Same here, medial pain in the left knee + a lot of tension on the outside down through the calf. Lowered the saddle, widened the stance, and now I don't get pain on/after short rides. But on rides somewhere around 100km+, the next day the pain comes back. My theory is as I fatigue my position gets sloppier, leading to an imbalance somewhere.
This was much needed and perfectly executed. Have been having knee problems on longer rides, and my bike fitter (yes a professional one) couldn't put his finger on it. Might have to look into getting a different bike fitter :D
what if I have lateral and posterior knee pain in my left knee along with tailbone pain/soreness at the same time. Managed to adjust my fit myself to a point where pain is present only on longer rides 25 km or more. I had retul bike fit done, tried other fit methods such as 109% etc. before and all of them ended up having roughly the same position that would cause knees pain in both knees sometimes but mostly in left knee. After adjusting to how I feel not fit numbers, most of the pain went away and my bike seat is 4cm lower now. However, half the time i think my crank arms are too long because at the top of the stroke my hips are almost parallel to the ground.
For me one leg exhibits signs my seat is too low (anterior knee pain) and the other leg exhibits signs my seat is too high (hamstring pain). What gives?!?! Been trying to crack this problem for years...
Hey Guys, After around 30-40 miles on a road bike I experience right knee pain - I think it’s anterior pain. My right leg does have an out step (I think they call it duck footed). I think my cleats could be moved back as you suggest - it is wise to try and angle the right cleat to match the out step or keep it straight? Is there any other steps I could try to remedy this? Any advice appreciated and great video! 👍
Who doesn’t love a speedy eh!? I have several vintage Hamiltons, a Seiko SKX, this speedy and soon a panerai! No Sinns here im afraid (apart from the hairdo)
A year ago I had saddle issues and sore hands. I followed James and lowered the saddle and set the cleats as further back as possible (Lake shoes). Then I got knee pain to my both legs in front of the knee below the knee cap. Now I began cycling indoors after a few months and it happened again. So I’m quite sure that either one is teason to my knee pain. …and bike fit is not available in my home city.
Hello and thanks for your channel. I've been watching this video becasue I have a discomfort in my left knee and I was hoping to educate myself a little as to possible causes etc. I have one general question: does what you say apply to trail bike position ? You seem to be addressing road cyclists only, but can I use what you say even though my sitting position will be slightly different to begin with? (more upright, slightly different hip angles etc etc). Many thanks for your reply and thanks again for the great videos
I have had 2 acl surgeries, I am 4 years post op and still experiencing lateral knee pain on my bad knee. I have been working to build my muscle symmetry back up but I am still not there. I have been watching so many bike fit videos and I and I did go to get a bike fit. We tried so many different things and I am still experiencing so much pain. I can confirm I am square on my seat and the saddle height is correct. (I tried lowering it and no difference) I have a 4 degree wedge in on that foot and that is the only mild relief I have been able to experience. I don't know if you would but a video with someone who has had surgery and is on the road to recovery. I love riding my bike but this is unbearable. I don't have any pain when wearing spd pedals but they are old and super loose so I assume my leg is just going wherever it wants. I need new ones but I am too scared that they will be too tight and I will still be in pain. Thanks for the videos I have watched most them..
Q: when I go for rides longer than 40kms, my right pinky (fifth) toe goes numb - have played around with cleat adjustment and also loosened the strap covering top of the foot (have old version of Fizik R3s with Velcro strap). Could this just be that my right foot is too wide for the shoe or are there potentially other fit considerations? Never had any issues with the left foot and have had it even lowering the stem height...
This is interesting as I’ve recently damage my right knee on a ride and I’ve recently had new shoes with the cleat further forward, I felt it odd at the time but was willing to give it a go, I got used to it and didn’t mind the new position…until the knee went (NB NEVER EVER SUFFERED WITH KNEES BEFORE WHEM CYCLING) guess when I’m eventually back on the bike the cleats are going back!!!!!!!!
I have problem with my right knee inside pain while I cycle, i cant even do 5 minutes of cycling, i did MR test and everything is ok, do you maybe know what could cause the pain? Thank you.
Hi guys, if the inner knee pain(98kg rider) is only on one leg, would only that leg get moved/ spaced outward and the other leg with no pain left alone? Or both? 👍😁🚴♀️🏴
I have a 6mm shim under my right cleat due to a 15mm leg length discrepancy. As shims are not practical on MTB shoes, what approximate distance should the cleats be be staggered to achieve the same effect, should I set up the left cleat position and go 6mm further back with the right cleat (I am planning on a bike fit by James once travel restrictions have relaxed). Thanks
I would love to come over to Richmond and have a fit, but my country is currently being run/overseen by an autocrat and because of that, my country has gone to shit in multiple ways, and now I can't travel to Europe or the UK.
Hi James I have knee pain right knee only when climbing . If I strap my knee cap with KT tape I’m ok, as long as I don’t ride out of the saddle if I do for move than a couple of minutes I’m in pain. When I used to MTB 10 years ago I was fine, it’s only started happening with the road bike. I have had bike fits at several places over the year with small tweaks here and there but know one has come up with a reason why this is happening. I’m in Walton so not far from you guys if you think you can help let me know.
This unbelievable issue of sitting too high because of thinking it will give you the best power and defend your knees- Amazing me again and again! Its like our brain programmed to make us insist sitting too high. Even today, after i reduced 5 mm because i felt that my right leg does not reach the end of the stroke, my brain keeps telling me "something is wrong youre sitting too low". Even the fact that now after lowering 5mm i feel more secure and strong and the leg is connected powerfully in the end of the stroke! Unbelievable!! Thank you for sharing your experience on that so so important issue- I will spread it over to my freinds.
Hi Francis, I would appreciate a video on hand load. I just started road cycling but on rides longer than 40miles I always need gloves because I have a lot of weight on my hands. If I try release the hands I slide forward. Saddle is as far back as possible and the angle between arms and upper body approx. 90°. Saddle tilt did not fix it. Not sure if my position is wrong or my core strength not well enough. Keep up your work, I really enjoy your videos.
Got a question. When I stop riding for a while(week or so) then get back on the bike I get major groin and side pain within the first 10 mile. Have a rest and it’s okay for the rest of my ride either another 10 or 20 mile.
I very rarely feel a lateral pain to just my right knee. it would happen if I kicked too hard at a football or occasionaly it would appear as I run. it would get tighter until it would "snap" like an elastic band pulled too far, then the pain would go away and that would be it. does this sound like it's something to do with the iliotibial band that James mentioned?
One question actually, I've had hot spots and pain in my feet with my SPD pedals but only like 150 km in a gravel ride. Is it likely a circulation thing from my saddle position after a long ride or actual shoe or cleat position issue?
I will bring in sausages from the God of safety nxt week 🤑. If I turn off my GPS will that stop the satellites giving me knee pain?? @bikefit James. #iluvsubtitles
You wouldn't believe that I had to stop a ride due to knee pain this morning, then also booked a bike fit straight after. I discovered this video at the perfect time 👍🤙
i have sang happy birthday some tme a go,......does that still count for a free bike fit when ever i vissit in the guture? hahaha just kidding mate. thanks for the info and bike fit teuseday on a saturday.....have a great weekend
Great video guys .. I have an unusual problem . While peddling my left crank clunks on every down stroke . The b. Bracket is fine . On my indoor trainer . I've tried other shoes. Cleats . Peddles. Also changed the cleat position.. and the problem is still there. My foot is always moving around inside the shoe . And sometimes it gets a bit numb. 👍
Does a pain on the side of the little toe only on the right leg which is also my compensation leg resulting in excessive saddle height or would it be due to lack of wedging to compensate the varus?
Hi Francis hoping you might be able to do a bike fit Tuesday about itb pain. I know you suffered from this yourself. I tend to suffer it in my right leg. I’m right leg dominant. I’ve had a fit done and transferred my measurements over from the bike that was fitted to my new bike of the same brand just a different model and this doesn’t seem to be working for me I know some of the geometry is just slightly different between the 2 but wouldn’t have thought it would mean such an over difference in how It effects my itb. Itb pain is worse than ever since I purchased the new bike. I use to only get it after long hrs on the trainer but since this new bike I can start to feel pain after only a few minutes. It has since started to go down towards the outside of the knee towards the end of a ride of around 60kms. Another issue I have is I sometimes feel like my shoes drive when I’m out of the saddle to the outside of the foot. Cleat position seems ok and shoe size seems ok I’m interested to see what James has to say about that as well. Anyway thanks in advance Peter
Hi Francis great content as ever, in regards to shoes being too big I got some lake cx238 wide fit shoes in 43 as recommended using lakes own size chart and I did measure my feet a few times but when I ride in them there is an almost fingers width gap between my heel and heel of the shoe. Do you guys know if that is common in lake shoes or are they somehow a size to big?
and yes i can't spell excessive
The extra S in Excessive is EXCESSIVE 🧐🙈
That’s bough now, or it’ll become.....
@@markl2815 I love a self referential reference to another reference. And other nonsense.
But there are too many unnecessary redundant superfluous references here to Francis' mistake.
Just like this comment.
James seems to have a lot of pent up energy. You need to get him out on a road trip.
that energy was because all he wanted to do was spank her with the social distance stick
Aaron Keogh Doubtful. That’s Daisy. Francis’ girlfriend.
ADHD?
James is a high energy dude - always
Lol James is an amazing energetic dude
As someone currently with left knee pain this is gold 👍
I recently moved my cleats all the way back because of James' advice, moved the saddle down 2 cm orso, also lowered the handlebars, easy aero gains. Calves and feet feel way better now
Crashing is an underrepresented cause of knee pain.
Thank you for the video Francis. But who is this hairy guy and where is James?
James is the type of guy you need in your life for when your days go wrong and you feel bad. A quick conversation and you'll be right again
Great to see this feature back , even on a Saturday ! LOL
If you don’t book a bike fit at Bicycle Richmond, you must be mad. My daughter had a fit last Thursday with James and it’s improved her cycling efficiency immediately. At last she has a saddle she feels comfortable on, handlebars we never need to keep experimenting with and proper arch support. We did a round trip of over 200 miles and that and the costs were worth every penny.
This is what I will be doing eventually... I live in Lincoln so a fair old trip, but seen so many people say how good it is... just remember to take some extra cash for at least g8 foot beds 🤣🤣
Steve King another bike blogger cam lives Australia and does similar thing with a bike fit buddy try him
@Steve King Ask around and get a recommendation. One place to ask is a top level physio, another is a bike shop. The physio connection is good because it means that the fitter works on remedies. The bike shop connection can be someone who is best for initial setup. Be aware of any financial connections.
@Steve King That's a bad experience! Thanks for sharing it. Shows that we need to check out the operator. I want to hear that the fitter has recommendations from people I respect, that's what I was getting at by going via a top physio. Someone who charges again for a minor change doesn't sound professional to me.
It is like a bike repair I did a few weeks ago. Customer came back saying that the problem had come back. So I worked through it again, no charge. The customer paid to have it fixed, and that's what they should get.
@Steve King And thanks for the hint on Cam Nicholls' channel.
I watched this back along, and after adjustments regards seat for/aft, down then up, cleats back as far as possible, and lastly Q factor the majority of my knee pain disappeared, the last thing I did was strengthen the IT band and stretch & strengthen everything around the knee, all knee pain gone. Really helpful video👍
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The Cleat video Francis forgot about at 5:50
having my saddle only 4mm lower then my preferred height instantly makes my knees hurt, maybe its because im flat pedal rider with 360w ftp or something
Is James rocking a Speedy Pro with tan strap? Not seen that before.
Oh, nice edit Francis 👌
I've been in the cycling game for forty something years, before Look pedals, it's been that long... I've been watching your videos of late as the approach youse guys have seems far less precious than many other of these on line bike fit gurus..which I reckon is the real way to be... It is truth that so many issues boil down to saddle height, and now looking back to when I was racing a lot in the 80's, my measurements were crazy compared to now, they probably are the reason for the lumbar, cervical and neck issues along with gippy knees that exacerbated a leg length difference. Back then, we all had our noses in Hinault's book on cycle training and fit, rode bikes too big, stems far too long and saddles pushed as far back as possible.
Over they years I did drop my saddle, shorten my stem and gave up on the 11 cm saddle setback, but the real revelation came after I had a terrific cycling accident three years ago that seriously damaged left leg and arm. After 8 months I could start riding again but I knew where I was with fit before would have to change. Discovering youse maniacs has helped me tremendously especially with the concept of saddle height and keeping it low, and what more I need to work on next, notably the reach, I'm considering getting a smaller frame from the medium I've ridden for years.
But my main comment is that I went out today with a saddle height down about a centimetre and that dodgy knee on the shorter leg, immediately felt so much more comfortable, and the right knee didn't seem to notice at all. For what it's worth, my saddle is now 74 cm where it used to be 78.5 .. ouch... saddle setback is 6cm not 11 any more and reach is 56 not 61.cm... I can't believe I used to ride like that now..... Sorry for prattling on, Cheers!
I must be one of those rare cases. Seat height 10mm higher cured my knee pain.
I've also relieved anterior pain by moving the saddle up a but and moving the cleats back. Pains returned after a year though so...
HE SAID THE THING!!!! I swear he says it verbatim every time and it's like the fifth time he's said it on camera xD (7:28)
This is perfect timing for me, I bought a new bike in March and havent been able to have a fit yet (due to covid) and Im fighting knee pain.
Edit: I think my issue is related primarily to cleat location. I moved my left cleat further back in conjunction with raising the saddle height and haven't had the pain return in my most recent rides.
Didn't expect to see you here
Sweet. Don't be afraid to take it really far back. I ride mine as far back as possible on the Shimano Sphyres, I've even removed part of the shoe to get them an extra 4mm further back!
@@Cade_Media cycling / jam session ?
👀 well if it isn’t Rhett Shull 👋😎. I just watched your tuning video before this one, and I’ve got a tuning for you to try! I’ll email ya!?
And, I got non-stop knee issues from Shimano pedals that disappeared when I moved to the Look Keo system instead (via Garmin Vector power pedals). Try that if you can, and put your cleats as far back as they’ll go. 👍
Bike fit Tuesdays either need to be watched at .75 speed or 1.25 speed, mostly at .75 speed
Hey Francis (long time no see since Melb!) - I can’t remember: have you and/or James done an ep on neck and shoulder pain? This is something I’ve struggled with since getting back into cycling in my 30s. Keep up the great work 👍
I don't think we have, touched on it in our handlebar video, but we will revisit!
Dan, watch the handlebar video. I got the bars James recommends and my shoulders have never been more relaxed. My old bars were too long in reach and too wide for my arms to relax properly.
Also, check out James' Instagram account (@bikefitjames) to see many examples of reach being reduced
What I tell people about lowering saddles is there’s such thing as knee underextension injury.
I learned this the hard way! Problem is that there are too many people giving unsolicited advice to others to raise their seat otherwise they will have knee pain.
I have knee pain on my dominant side
My problem is with numb toes , cleats all the way back still numb now have some g8 footbed they have helped but still numb after about 45 minutes! Any help ?
Love the BFT - even when it’s on a Saturday! ;-) . Looking forward to getting a complete (re) fit with James when COVID clears and I can get back to London. Glad to se that the shop is making it all work.
I try to improve my English with your videos #ExcuseMyFrench ;)
James is incredible; I moved my cleats back/dropped the seat post a smidge and thing have improved significantly! I love your nuanced approach to biomechanics and the human body. Some day I hope to make the trip from Vancouver Canada to come get a bike fit and nerd out on human movement stuff with him!
Very interesting. But....if I had knee pain, I'd definitely want to check its cause in conjunction with a qualified physiotherapist, as well as a bike fitter. The physiotherapist will not just look at the bike aspect of things. And you cannot second guess their expert knowledge. There may always be some anatomical cause (little or nothing to do with the bike) that you would never find otherwise.
Some of the worst positions I’ve ever seen have been as a result of physio interaction. If pain only occurs when riding the bike it is a bike fit problem and almost never as a result of the riders physiology
@@Bikefitjames Yes. And I wouldn't want a physiotherapist to set up my bike. I'd want them to check exactly why there was a knee pain in the first place. Just in case something else was wrong that a bike fitter would not see.
often knee pain comes from wrong cleats position 🤙
Can you release this video 10 weeks ago please?
😢😢
@@samingle8142 💔
rest in pieces
I moved my cleats inboard and further back and instantly felt my knees were happier after watching your previous video with James talking about that exact issue so thank you for putting the info out there and having James describe it so clearly! Cheers!
Helpful thanks. I've seen 2 professional bike fitters (and yes, one have me shims) and have still ended up with knee pain on one knee, so have taken to tweaking myself. It's tough and hard to fine a good fitter.
Low back pain and saddle tilt in next episode?
Love your channel and love James’ knowledge. This video couldn’t have come at a better time. New shoes, cleats mounted following James’ advice as far back as possible, suddenly left knee pain. Gonna check the saddle hight and the cleat position. Many thanks 🙏🏼
My problem is not my knees, my problem is the muscles above my knee, sadle is not high.
Who needs Lawrence 😜, that is the new team: Daisy, James and 107!!!!
Definitely had anterior pain on a bike too small for me and even my road bike before I raised the saddle. Was good for over a year and now I have anterior pain on the left knee again...err. doesn't help my left leg is noticeably longer ha
Cade & James moreover. Any help please. I’m cleats right back. I’m getting heavy dead legs for 15 months. Ride medium watts , could it be blue fixed cleats ??
Bikefit James? Nono .. BikeFit JESUS! - beard seals it.
I had a bikefit by a 'professional' but I ended up with knee pain on the left knee. The problem is that everyone can be a bikefitter. No diploma is required. So how can I know who can do the job properly?
Not cycled in years and done about 150-60 miles first day quads where gone but that eas because saddle foo kow raised it great but then mh knees went
Left then right
Feels like my knee caps cant bend them now i did take the ride short notice i should of stopped but didnt eant to give in
Hi Francis, love your videos!
Can you ask James about pain to the Vastus Medialis? Get pain after about 1,5 hours+ of 200w+ pressure.
Its on the end of the oblique almost right on the knees left side. Is it muscular or tendon related?
Know it is hard to pinpoint this without an examination, but I take on all tips and trix there is.
Cheers
I had lateral pain in both knees due to my Q factor that's now sorted, however I get pain in my left knee below the kneecap, is that seat for & aft related? I done the rule of thumb seat height of no shoe pedal at 6 o'clock and just feel the pedal on the heel. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Now I'm wishing I was living at UK just to have a bike fit made by James...
Went for a long ride yesterday, thought my knee caps were gonna pop off after I finished my ride. Driving home and pressing the clutch to shift gears hurt. Sitting on the sofa and then trying to stand up felt like my knees were buckling in. Soooo. I should see if any of these work.
have pain on the outside of me left knee only,saddle i believe is the correct height,cleats alway back using shimano SPD pedals also dropped it 50mm and still the same,i notice if i just put non cleat training shoes on and flat pedals my left foot tends to point outwards with toes to 11 oclock,where my right foot is straight.,i dont have arch supports you think they could help or is it a case of trying to get a cleat that would let my foot rotate more to where its comfy? this on a mtb. thanks your videos are a real eye opener, i had a bike fit at out local shop and i felt worse for it.
Can someone please help me with the language? At about 6:10 there is a tipp on how to get rid of medial knee pain. I have listened to that quite a few times now and the automatic subtitles also do not help much. James speeks a little too fast for me at that point, can someone please write down what he says about that? :D Thank you very much!
My boss hates me at work... I keep selling customers Lake shoes even tho we are not a Lake stockist because well we all know Lake shoes are the best.... Best bit every customer has come back in and said how good the shoes are glad I recommended them 😂.
Very difficult to understand. Energy is all over the place which makes it hard to watch.
I'm confused. I have knocked knees and have medial knee pain sometimes on right knee and sometimes on left. I use flat pedals. Do I need pedal spacers? Can anyone help please
Clearly James, hasn’t been in contact with people for sometime or possibly he want to get home for his tea
Thumbs down cause if your going to have a thick accent you need to speak slower!
can't thank enough for these videos. Listening to james made me realise i have no access to proper bikefitting around me in rio and started some trial and error that resulted in a much more comfortable riding position.
As a disabled vet my knees are shot. Biking is all I can do. Thanks for upload.
I've had problems with my right knee for years (& years), I lowered my saddle mainly because it 'felt' too high, not as a possible solution and over time my knee pain reduced. Think I should look at arches, I'm quite flat footed and use them in my normal shoes. Great advice, thanks.
Hi Francis. I'm always fascinated by the way I see bike fit changes with strength, fitness, and age. With so many people getting into cycling there may be value in addressing "Is a bike fit permanent?"
Great work as always!
In the words of Räikkönen: “fucking finally”
Omg seems like an age since the last fit! Enjoy yourselves as I sit here in cold Leicester!
I still don’t understand how to make sure the saddle height is perfect, and where I am the bike fit places aren’t open because of covid. Can you link a vid or give some clearer tips about dialling in saddle height
We will make a video on this at some point
This is like a greatest hits of James' rants, even Fizik got the 1st rant 🤣🤣🤣😀
I could watch this 24/7, James and Francis make the best cycling duo on UA-cam.
I want a bike fit by James!! I’m so far away though, very sad 😢 🇺🇸 Texas to 🇬🇧
You wouldn’t be the farthest
Part of the problem is I've been waiting for a bike fit for 5 months. Pain is new, but riding position hasn't changed. Is it a good idea to ride my 3 bikes or stick to one? One pair of shoes or change (is variety better - considering that despite all these videos I still don't know where to start tweaking). I also know that the bike fit I book will up my saddle height - they pretty much told me that in the shop when I picked the bike up (I took in my old bike). I'm also assuming that being out the saddle as much as possible is a good thing? Shoes ARE on the big side to accommodate width, as James says. I'll start with checking that my knee isn't wandering to the outside on the top of the stroke. Maybe move cleats inboard, but I've had them where they are for 2 years with no problems.
I think bike fits are great! But let’s think about it here 🤓...complete waste of energy 🤓...they should be connected to a smoothie maker so when finished you can enjoy a smoothie 🤔🧐🤓🤗🤷🏼♂️
James says cleat position and saddle high work in tandem. Say I move my cleats backwards do I need to lower my saddle slightly?
Yep
@@Cade_Media This is really interesting. I've slammed my cleats all the way back just for comfort purposes & I've not altered my saddle height although i do feel it's a tad too high.
Great video again. I got a lot of medial kneepain in my left knee a good few months ago. Went for a bike fit as I ride a lot and didn't want any serious injuries. And yes indeed; excessive saddle height. Then I lowered it and tried to build up my effort on the bike without knee pain. Yet again, my knee pain did come up.. How long do you think recovery will be for knee complaints like this?
Ps. I do have custom soles with a lot of arch support ; ))
Same here, medial pain in the left knee + a lot of tension on the outside down through the calf. Lowered the saddle, widened the stance, and now I don't get pain on/after short rides. But on rides somewhere around 100km+, the next day the pain comes back. My theory is as I fatigue my position gets sloppier, leading to an imbalance somewhere.
GET A FUCKING BIKE FIT, only from James though. speaking from experience :)
there are other great fitters around too, people do travel for James though, admittedly!
Your pronounceon is very very BAD
I would love to get a bike fit could you help ?
This was much needed and perfectly executed. Have been having knee problems on longer rides, and my bike fitter (yes a professional one) couldn't put his finger on it. Might have to look into getting a different bike fitter :D
Same issue here
what if I have lateral and posterior knee pain in my left knee along with tailbone pain/soreness at the same time. Managed to adjust my fit myself to a point where pain is present only on longer rides 25 km or more. I had retul bike fit done, tried other fit methods such as 109% etc. before and all of them ended up having roughly the same position that would cause knees pain in both knees sometimes but mostly in left knee.
After adjusting to how I feel not fit numbers, most of the pain went away and my bike seat is 4cm lower now. However, half the time i think my crank arms are too long because at the top of the stroke my hips are almost parallel to the ground.
Moved the cleat and fixed the pain
For me one leg exhibits signs my seat is too low (anterior knee pain) and the other leg exhibits signs my seat is too high (hamstring pain). What gives?!?! Been trying to crack this problem for years...
Hey Guys,
After around 30-40 miles on a road bike I experience right knee pain - I think it’s anterior pain. My right leg does have an out step (I think they call it duck footed). I think my cleats could be moved back as you suggest - it is wise to try and angle the right cleat to match the out step or keep it straight? Is there any other steps I could try to remedy this?
Any advice appreciated and great video! 👍
James wearing a Speedmaster - he also has another watch. Is it a Sinn?
Who doesn’t love a speedy eh!? I have several vintage Hamiltons, a Seiko SKX, this speedy and soon a panerai! No Sinns here im afraid (apart from the hairdo)
Could you add the link to cleat poss vid you mentioned ? ;-)
ua-cam.com/video/xum6W3pk59A/v-deo.html
A year ago I had saddle issues and sore hands. I followed James and lowered the saddle and set the cleats as further back as possible (Lake shoes). Then I got knee pain to my both legs in front of the knee below the knee cap. Now I began cycling indoors after a few months and it happened again. So I’m quite sure that either one is teason to my knee pain.
…and bike fit is not available in my home city.
Hello and thanks for your channel. I've been watching this video becasue I have a discomfort in my left knee and I was hoping to educate myself a little as to possible causes etc. I have one general question: does what you say apply to trail bike position ? You seem to be addressing road cyclists only, but can I use what you say even though my sitting position will be slightly different to begin with? (more upright, slightly different hip angles etc etc). Many thanks for your reply and thanks again for the great videos
Francis what glasses have you been wearing when riding? Great video.
Oakley jawbreaker
what ace said - but I am changing next week, new sponsor !
I have had 2 acl surgeries, I am 4 years post op and still experiencing lateral knee pain on my bad knee. I have been working to build my muscle symmetry back up but I am still not there. I have been watching so many bike fit videos and I and I did go to get a bike fit. We tried so many different things and I am still experiencing so much pain. I can confirm I am square on my seat and the saddle height is correct. (I tried lowering it and no difference) I have a 4 degree wedge in on that foot and that is the only mild relief I have been able to experience. I don't know if you would but a video with someone who has had surgery and is on the road to recovery. I love riding my bike but this is unbearable. I don't have any pain when wearing spd pedals but they are old and super loose so I assume my leg is just going wherever it wants. I need new ones but I am too scared that they will be too tight and I will still be in pain. Thanks for the videos I have watched most them..
Q: when I go for rides longer than 40kms, my right pinky (fifth) toe goes numb - have played around with cleat adjustment and also loosened the strap covering top of the foot (have old version of Fizik R3s with Velcro strap). Could this just be that my right foot is too wide for the shoe or are there potentially other fit considerations? Never had any issues with the left foot and have had it even lowering the stem height...
This is interesting as I’ve recently damage my right knee on a ride and I’ve recently had new shoes with the cleat further forward, I felt it odd at the time but was willing to give it a go, I got used to it and didn’t mind the new position…until the knee went (NB NEVER EVER SUFFERED WITH KNEES BEFORE WHEM CYCLING) guess when I’m eventually back on the bike the cleats are going back!!!!!!!!
I have problem with my right knee inside pain while I cycle, i cant even do 5 minutes of cycling, i did MR test and everything is ok, do you maybe know what could cause the pain? Thank you.
Hi guys, if the inner knee pain(98kg rider) is only on one leg, would only that leg get moved/ spaced outward and the other leg with no pain left alone? Or both? 👍😁🚴♀️🏴
I have a 6mm shim under my right cleat due to a 15mm leg length discrepancy. As shims are not practical on MTB shoes, what approximate distance should the cleats be be staggered to achieve the same effect, should I set up the left cleat position and go 6mm further back with the right cleat (I am planning on a bike fit by James once travel restrictions have relaxed). Thanks
I would love to come over to Richmond and have a fit, but my country is currently being run/overseen by an autocrat and because of that, my country has gone to shit in multiple ways, and now I can't travel to Europe or the UK.
Hi James I have knee pain right knee only when climbing . If I strap my knee cap with KT tape I’m ok, as long as I don’t ride out of the saddle if I do for move than a couple of minutes I’m in pain. When I used to MTB 10 years ago I was fine, it’s only started happening with the road bike. I have had bike fits at several places over the year with small tweaks here and there but know one has come up with a reason why this is happening. I’m in Walton so not far from you guys if you think you can help let me know.
This unbelievable issue of sitting too high because of thinking it will give you the best power and defend your knees-
Amazing me again and again!
Its like our brain programmed to make us insist sitting too high.
Even today, after i reduced 5 mm because i felt that my right leg does not reach the end of the stroke, my brain keeps telling me "something is wrong youre sitting too low". Even the fact that now after lowering 5mm i feel more secure and strong and the leg is connected powerfully in the end of the stroke!
Unbelievable!!
Thank you for sharing your experience on that so so important issue-
I will spread it over to my freinds.
Hi Francis, I would appreciate a video on hand load. I just started road cycling but on rides longer than 40miles I always need gloves because I have a lot of weight on my hands. If I try release the hands I slide forward. Saddle is as far back as possible and the angle between arms and upper body approx. 90°. Saddle tilt did not fix it. Not sure if my position is wrong or my core strength not well enough. Keep up your work, I really enjoy your videos.
Got a question. When I stop riding for a while(week or so) then get back on the bike I get major groin and side pain within the first 10 mile. Have a rest and it’s okay for the rest of my ride either another 10 or 20 mile.
I very rarely feel a lateral pain to just my right knee. it would happen if I kicked too hard at a football or occasionaly it would appear as I run. it would get tighter until it would "snap" like an elastic band pulled too far, then the pain would go away and that would be it. does this sound like it's something to do with the iliotibial band that James mentioned?
One question actually, I've had hot spots and pain in my feet with my SPD pedals but only like 150 km in a gravel ride. Is it likely a circulation thing from my saddle position after a long ride or actual shoe or cleat position issue?
I will bring in sausages from the God of safety nxt week 🤑. If I turn off my GPS will that stop the satellites giving me knee pain?? @bikefit James. #iluvsubtitles
You wouldn't believe that I had to stop a ride due to knee pain this morning, then also booked a bike fit straight after. I discovered this video at the perfect time 👍🤙
i have sang happy birthday some tme a go,......does that still count for a free bike fit when ever i vissit in the guture? hahaha just kidding mate. thanks for the info and bike fit teuseday on a saturday.....have a great weekend
Holy crap. I was experiencing knee pain yesterday and this video just showed up. Thank you, UA-cam robots! This guide is perfect.
Great video guys .. I have an unusual problem . While peddling my left crank clunks on every down stroke . The b. Bracket is fine . On my indoor trainer . I've tried other shoes. Cleats . Peddles. Also changed the cleat position.. and the problem is still there. My foot is always moving around inside the shoe . And sometimes it gets a bit numb. 👍
Does a pain on the side of the little toe only on the right leg which is also my compensation leg resulting in excessive saddle height or would it be due to lack of wedging to compensate the varus?
i could honestly watch these bike fit tuesday videos all day long. could you clone james to be located somewhere around central europe?
Hi Francis hoping you might be able to do a bike fit Tuesday about itb pain. I know you suffered from this yourself. I tend to suffer it in my right leg. I’m right leg dominant. I’ve had a fit done and transferred my measurements over from the bike that was fitted to my new bike of the same brand just a different model and this doesn’t seem to be working for me I know some of the geometry is just slightly different between the 2 but wouldn’t have thought it would mean such an over difference in how It effects my itb.
Itb pain is worse than ever since I purchased the new bike. I use to only get it after long hrs on the trainer but since this new bike I can start to feel pain after only a few minutes.
It has since started to go down towards the outside of the knee towards the end of a ride of around 60kms. Another issue I have is I sometimes feel like my shoes drive when I’m out of the saddle to the outside of the foot. Cleat position seems ok and shoe size seems ok I’m interested to see what James has to say about that as well.
Anyway thanks in advance Peter
Hi Francis great content as ever, in regards to shoes being too big I got some lake cx238 wide fit shoes in 43 as recommended using lakes own size chart and I did measure my feet a few times but when I ride in them there is an almost fingers width gap between my heel and heel of the shoe. Do you guys know if that is common in lake shoes or are they somehow a size to big?
I need a video on hamstring pain, specifically bicep phemoris. It's the bane of my cycling and completely wrecked my racing fitness :-(