The opening impression with that rules the old man puts forward is seriously on of the most engaging way to dwell the audience into the scene, that rough heavy voice, that spoiled half burnt cigarette smoke is one genius way to imitate an impression going on between 2 people in a banal American restraunt. Excellent.
My new dream: The Criterion Collection releases Hard Eight on blu-ray with Cigarettes and Coffee as an extra I shall carry this dream with me until it's a reality
Paul Thomas Anderson in my opinion is one of the best film makers out there, it's a big claim yes, but I look for the simple things, like Cigarettes & Coffee, it's original and normal at the same time. The writing is what I think gets me the most, and I love the detail that he puts into the little things. Vigo and Svankmajer are great, and I understand if their kind of stuff is your cup of tea and I respect that, they have good quality. :)
His dialogue isn't quite as honed here as it got to be with Boogie Nights or something, but considering I'm 21 and my closest thing to a talent is that I can kind-of whistle, the fact he did this at 22/23 is pretty insane
All of it is pretty insane, doing the Dirk Diggler Story at fucking 17. Doing Hard Eight, Boogie Nights and Magnolia before he even turned 30 is insane.
Yeah, the dialogue between the married couple is a bit overdramatic. Like the whole time I’m listening to the guy, I’m like, “Jesus Christ, guy, you’re friggin relentless.” The dialogue between Phillip Baker Hall and Kirk Baltz is great, and their performances only enhance it. Same with Ferrer’s character. There’s certainly a debt to Mamet in there, but it’s good writing nonetheless. Originally, I thought that the strict ritual of waiting for the coffee and cigarettes before talking was a bit too much, and was really just a way of showing off some cool dialogue. But now I think it’s a great way of showing the older character’s mindset. His whole life, he has placed faith in the discipline of this ritual, and developed the confidence to mentor this young man. The irony, of course, is that at the end, the ritual of coffee and cigarettes did absolutely nothing to “make it right.”
"You don't have instant coffee? Who doesn't have instant coffee? You buy a jar of Folger's instant coffee, you put it in the cupboard, you forget about it. Then later on when you need it, it's there, it lasts forever. It's freeze-dried. Freeze-dried crystals."
You don't know what you're talking about. PT met Philip Baker Hall when he was a PA on a set. Almost anybody can get a PA gig - they are low pay, grunt work positions. Hall was impressed with Anderson and read the script for this and wanted to be involved. Simple as that. This story is covered in PBH's Random Roles interview on The Onion's AV Club site.
For sure. Zed from pulp fiction and Marvin the cop that had his ear cut off in reservoir dogs were both in this. Tarantino definitely saw and was influenced by this
Similarly, John Singleton met Lawrence Fishburne on "Pee Wee's Playhouse." Singleton was a Page (TV show version of a PA) and Fishburne was Cowboy Curtis. Singleton said that when he got his big break he was going to put Fishburne in his films.
Ok people. Lets play spot the Tarantino reference! 1. This was directed by Paul Thomas Anderson, who is friends with Quentin Tarantino. 2. The main character of "Douglas" is played by Kirk Baltz, who starred as Marvin Nash, the cop who got his ear cut off in "Reservoir Dogs" 3. At the end of this Bill lifts up the car trunk to see Stevie. A year earlier in "Reservoir Dogs", Tarantino invented the camera angle which was used which is known as a "trunk shot". Its taken from the point of view of the car trunk looking at the person lifting it at a low angle. 4. Wierdly enough, Kirk Baltz' "Reservoir Dogs" character is first seen in a car trunk being opened by Mr Blond. (This scene also used the trunk shot. Watch the scene from "Dogs" & this & u will see that its in perfect sync.Guy walking out to car, looks around, then opens trunk & we see a trunk shot, then a close up of the eyes of the victim in the car.) 5. Both this & "Pulp Fiction" & "Reservoir Dogs" have pivotal scenes (with brilliant dialouge) taking place in a diner. 6. NON LINEAR- FLASHBACKS 7. Suits & sunglasses. :)
Yeah and if you go back even further, Tarantino took his cue from the esteemed Japanese classic Lady Snowblood from 1973 (A film I highly recommend btw). Which the shot in there isn't from a trunk, but the perspective of the characters + framing is nearly identical.
My question is, where did Thom Yorke get this short film on video? Did he buy it? Did PTA give it to him? Did he steal it from where else? What was the form of piracy back in the mid 90s? Is Thom Yorke a wizard?
its a bootleg VHS taken off the film reel, a telecine. Its actually an early generation of the tape. It was never released outside the short film circuit for viewing.
I think was good, but does anyone think it was over written? Marvin from Resevoir Dogs can pull it off with Philip Baker Hall, but the married couple can´t.
They were there to add a more sane and normal dynamic when compared to 'Marvin's marriage. I think that is established when he looks at them kissing and I think that was an important shot so as to make him realise what his decision has caused him. I think the couple's dialogue is important to take the audience out of the main storyline because then they will want to come back to it even more. I know I sound like stoner and I apologise
Compare this masterful shot]rt to the crap Sundance had this year in their short film line-up, you'd think people forgot how to tell a traditional narrative story that made sense.
From what i've heard Sundance in the 90's was much more about quality, and it somehow morphed into who the producers know in the selection committee in order to get your film screened there.
Same. Just watched it again on my Roku. Looked up the film on Wikipedia to see if maybe I'd missed the reason Sydney killed John's father and noticed hard 8 was based on this short. There's also an early version if Boogie Nights Anderson made as a high school kid. Edited with 2 VCRs, very DIY. Boogie Nights us still one of my favorite films ever. Damn though, he crushed it with his first two films, Hard 8 then Boogie Nights. His 2 best, IMO, among an impressive group of great films he's made. I still wonder how he managed to get such an unbelievably great cast in his first real outing. Hard 8 was filled with great performances from great actors. It's one if those movies that I love sending anyone that had it seen it to watch. I'm amazed it hasn't found a much larger audience. It's one of my number one films I'd love to see on the big screen. Just about as perfect as a film can be and, as always IMO, ranks among the greatest gritty noir crime films ever. And, absolutely one of the most under watched compared to it's quality films ever.
Has the quality always looked like this? I ask because there’s some really grainy clips in my first short film so I’m looking to make myself feel better. 😂
I do like to think that this takes place before reservoir dogs and the guy is the cop that gets he’s ear cut and it’s like karma for what he did to his wife and friend
I would love for Paul to direct this project I have in mind called Hair and Makeup about an adventuresome Hollywood makeup artist starring Tara Reid. Can somebody tell our friend Paul about this?
+Elliot Lanceley Nobody thought we would EVER see a clear copy of Fear And Desire...hopefully we don't have to wait 15 years after the directors DEATH...so yeah, hoping if Criterion picks up Boogie Nights/Hard eight...they will include these shorts.
yeah, he wasn't. He actually hustled and borrowed a camera, and he got several checks from people. Paul has that charm, it's hardly luck, he just knows how to talk to people and get things done his own way. He wasn't some rich boy like David Bowie's son or something.
Rewatching since Philip Baker Hall passed away today. What a legend! RIP king
The opening impression with that rules the old man puts forward is seriously on of the most engaging way to dwell the audience into the scene, that rough heavy voice, that spoiled half burnt cigarette smoke is one genius way to imitate an impression going on between 2 people in a banal American restraunt.
Excellent.
Stick to Bollywood schlock with your dumbass interpretations.
That's why I watched it in full, the ritual at the beginning
Wow, there's something incredibly soothing and cozy about the opening scene of this film...
Definetly
That dude's voice. Like a white Morgan Freeman.
Amplifying and singling out quiet noises tends to bring that effect, bit like the peanut wrapper in No Country For Old Men.
ASMR
How could he write that opening at 22yo, that's what I want to know
My new dream:
The Criterion Collection releases Hard Eight on blu-ray with Cigarettes and Coffee as an extra
I shall carry this dream with me until it's a reality
The 2 1/2 hour version of Hard Eight
and Boogie Nights with The Dirk Diggler Story
Let's hope so
5 years later and im still hoping
Motherfucker! i was so thrilled at first but read over the "dream" part haha. would love if they actually did that
Thank you Mr. Thom Yorke for publishing this.
diner scenes like tarantino, and kirk baltz in it. the unfortunate cop in reservoir dogs. my 2 favorite directors. thanks for posting.
Really nice short film for such a young director.
The guy talking to the old man is the cop who got his ear cut off in Reservoir Dogs.
Can anyone confirm if the blonde woman starred in The Room?
@@DatAz76 IMDb can confirm it but I don't think she is
and?
How could that be if he still has his ear?
That "old man" is Philip Baker Hall 😤
I could watch 2 hours of that opening shot.
Paul Thomas Anderson in my opinion is one of the best film makers out there, it's a big claim yes, but I look for the simple things, like Cigarettes & Coffee, it's original and normal at the same time. The writing is what I think gets me the most, and I love the detail that he puts into the little things. Vigo and Svankmajer are great, and I understand if their kind of stuff is your cup of tea and I respect that, they have good quality. :)
@Rowland LoL what a stretch.
His dialogue isn't quite as honed here as it got to be with Boogie Nights or something, but considering I'm 21 and my closest thing to a talent is that I can kind-of whistle, the fact he did this at 22/23 is pretty insane
Haha, "that I can kind-of whistle," that's awesome! 😆
I honestly think the dialogue is great here
Lol. Funny. I agree, but he had the balls to make it and making it helped him improve.
All of it is pretty insane, doing the Dirk Diggler Story at fucking 17. Doing Hard Eight, Boogie Nights and Magnolia before he even turned 30 is insane.
Yeah, the dialogue between the married couple is a bit overdramatic. Like the whole time I’m listening to the guy, I’m like, “Jesus Christ, guy, you’re friggin relentless.”
The dialogue between Phillip Baker Hall and Kirk Baltz is great, and their performances only enhance it. Same with Ferrer’s character. There’s certainly a debt to Mamet in there, but it’s good writing nonetheless. Originally, I thought that the strict ritual of waiting for the coffee and cigarettes before talking was a bit too much, and was really just a way of showing off some cool dialogue. But now I think it’s a great way of showing the older character’s mindset. His whole life, he has placed faith in the discipline of this ritual, and developed the confidence to mentor this young man. The irony, of course, is that at the end, the ritual of coffee and cigarettes did absolutely nothing to “make it right.”
The 90s loved Diner scenes. Also, I think this might be the lowest quality footage I've ever seen.
Albert from twin peaks!
RIP Phillip Baker Hall and RIP Miguel Ferrer.
Both are talentless ass clowns
They're smoking Kool, the same brand Freddie Quell and Dodd were smoking in The Master. I guess that's a PTA favorite.
minored360 Camel is actually his brand, see a pack in almost all the behind-the-scenes shots he's in.
Ice Ice Booey not his cigarette of choice anymore. Yellow American spirits
Heard in an Inherent Vice interview from the man himself, that his favorite nowadays are Yellow American Spirits.
Ahh minty flavour 😋
He smokes American Spirits Yellow same as Joaquin
Exquisite writing. Genius. How it was revealed, the dollar bill. Brilliant!
was the couple fighting in the diner separate or was that them earlier? or somehow both?
He should make a 2019 version called “vaporizer and half sweet Carmel macchiato sub coconut milk no whip”
Super underrated comment
LOL!!! I legit did a spit take reading this. Ithanku.
you are the real mvp
It only makes sense 😂
and vape
i wish we had a HD version available to watch
Very interesting, good dialogue as well.
"You don't have instant coffee? Who doesn't have instant coffee? You buy a jar of Folger's instant coffee, you put it in the cupboard, you forget about it. Then later on when you need it, it's there, it lasts forever. It's freeze-dried. Freeze-dried crystals."
Yes!!!! I quote that out loud all the time ahahaha
darkknight07100 what is that from?
Paul Duna Seinfeld
Phillip Baker Hall played Joe Bookman, the Library cop.
Fabisch Factor Relax, joy boy.
oh how i wish this was on blu-ray
+2
I feel like smoking a cigarette and drinking coffee from watching this slice of life
That's exactly what I just did while watching this lol
Glad to see his EAR still there from Resevoir Dogs
Thanks for uploading this! Made me wanna watch "Hard Eight! again.
When the moon was full and the dogs were barking - Typical PTA greatness !!
I honestly think PTA should remake this in 2020 I’d literally pay for it
ya la hizo es magnolia pa
🔥🔥🔥
I forgot the bad quality and i kept watching it so its a good movie
You don't know what you're talking about. PT met Philip Baker Hall when he was a PA on a set. Almost anybody can get a PA gig - they are low pay, grunt work positions. Hall was impressed with Anderson and read the script for this and wanted to be involved. Simple as that. This story is covered in PBH's Random Roles interview on The Onion's AV Club site.
Only PTA can tell 3 stories in a short and connect them. Genius.
idk Larry David did it just fine
Best quality I've found yet, great upload.
Very impressive! I love hard eight and many moments and styles are recognizable.
Very interesting short. I admire Paul Thomas Anderson's work
amazing!
amazing! Thanks for posting.
Thanks for this post!
It’s like breakfast restaurant scene in “pulp fiction “ pumpkin and honey bunny in table and Vincent and jules in another table
For sure. Zed from pulp fiction and Marvin the cop that had his ear cut off in reservoir dogs were both in this. Tarantino definitely saw and was influenced by this
This is the best short film ever made!
lmao
Tightly packed story telling
This feels like an extension of the Twin Peaks Universe somehow 😅
Thanks Thom keep up the good work on youtube and in radiohead
Thank you soo much for this.
The dawn of a legend
Its so good its almost like he's toying with us
thank you
thanks, Thom Yorke!
This is fantastic. Thank you very much.
PTA's tracking shots only evolved from here!
fresh
And one of my favorite film directors or one of many film directors
I saw Coffee and Cigarettes. Didn't know there was a Cigarettes and Coffee.
That is so good.
Similarly, John Singleton met Lawrence Fishburne on "Pee Wee's Playhouse." Singleton was a Page (TV show version of a PA) and Fishburne was Cowboy Curtis. Singleton said that when he got his big break he was going to put Fishburne in his films.
The old man is Mr. Bookman the library cop on Seinfeld
Amazing!
Defiantly got some "Hard Eight" vibes from this.
Excellent script
He really grew after this
Ok people. Lets play spot the Tarantino reference!
1. This was directed by Paul Thomas Anderson, who is friends with Quentin Tarantino.
2. The main character of "Douglas" is played by Kirk Baltz, who starred as Marvin Nash, the cop who got his ear cut off in "Reservoir Dogs"
3. At the end of this Bill lifts up the car trunk to see Stevie. A year earlier in "Reservoir Dogs", Tarantino invented the camera angle which was used which is known as a "trunk shot". Its taken from the point of view of the car trunk looking at the person lifting it at a low angle.
4. Wierdly enough, Kirk Baltz' "Reservoir Dogs" character is first seen in a car trunk being opened by Mr Blond. (This scene also used the trunk shot. Watch the scene from "Dogs" & this & u will see that its in perfect sync.Guy walking out to car, looks around, then opens trunk & we see a trunk shot, then a close up of the eyes of the victim in the car.)
5. Both this & "Pulp Fiction" & "Reservoir Dogs" have pivotal scenes (with brilliant dialouge) taking place in a diner.
6. NON LINEAR- FLASHBACKS
7. Suits & sunglasses.
:)
Yeah and if you go back even further, Tarantino took his cue from the esteemed Japanese classic Lady Snowblood from 1973 (A film I highly recommend btw). Which the shot in there isn't from a trunk, but the perspective of the characters + framing is nearly identical.
Dylan Thrillmour tarantino did NOT invent the trunk shot. He just perfected it
Dylan Thrillmour the couple in the diner resemble the couple at the beginning of pulp fiction where they discuss to rob the dinner
drinking coffee and smokin cigarettes watching a movie about drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes :D
Paul Thomas Anderson is a genius!
Hey that's the cop from reservoir dogs, how the hell did he grow an ear back???!?!??
Which guy?
Jose Martin the main character
Oh ok lol, well then he hasn't lost it yet.. He'll lose it in 4 yrs haha
Jose Martin No u were right 1st time. He lost the ear in 92, this is 93
Mason Brown 8ï
awesome! loved it, thanks for the upload! :)
This guy, he slashes my face AND HE CUTS MY FUCKING EAR OFF...
Stuck in the middle with you
Great film
Goddamn it if this ain't one of the best shorts ever
My question is, where did Thom Yorke get this short film on video? Did he buy it? Did PTA give it to him? Did he steal it from where else? What was the form of piracy back in the mid 90s? Is Thom Yorke a wizard?
Next question: are you watching this legally or are you as responsible and guilty!?
Just like we wait for the fire to grow big and die down
This film was supposedly shot on some nice, expensive panavision camera... so What happened to the footage? Why does it look this way?
its a bootleg VHS taken off the film reel, a telecine. Its actually an early generation of the tape. It was never released outside the short film circuit for viewing.
Thanks for taking the time to clue in a novice.
This is the Class of PTA!
thank you so much for posting this !!!
18:42 the sooundtrack reminds me of the RE7 soundtrack
Holy shit, that was powerful...
Miguel Ferrer is the best. RIP.
THANK YOU!
I think was good, but does anyone think it was over written? Marvin from Resevoir Dogs can pull it off with Philip Baker Hall, but the married couple can´t.
A little bit, the dialogue doesn't flow quite as well as it does in his later films but you can still see the potential
They were there to add a more sane and normal dynamic when compared to 'Marvin's marriage. I think that is established when he looks at them kissing and I think that was an important shot so as to make him realise what his decision has caused him. I think the couple's dialogue is important to take the audience out of the main storyline because then they will want to come back to it even more. I know I sound like stoner and I apologise
@@mayankshukla1860 ^this 100%
this is so good
adds to the whole thing
Compare this masterful shot]rt to the crap Sundance had this year in their short film line-up, you'd think people forgot how to tell a traditional narrative story that made sense.
From what i've heard Sundance in the 90's was much more about quality, and it somehow morphed into who the producers know in the selection committee in order to get your film screened there.
Hard 8 brought me here
Same. Just watched it again on my Roku. Looked up the film on Wikipedia to see if maybe I'd missed the reason Sydney killed John's father and noticed hard 8 was based on this short. There's also an early version if Boogie Nights Anderson made as a high school kid. Edited with 2 VCRs, very DIY. Boogie Nights us still one of my favorite films ever. Damn though, he crushed it with his first two films, Hard 8 then Boogie Nights. His 2 best, IMO, among an impressive group of great films he's made. I still wonder how he managed to get such an unbelievably great cast in his first real outing. Hard 8 was filled with great performances from great actors. It's one if those movies that I love sending anyone that had it seen it to watch. I'm amazed it hasn't found a much larger audience. It's one of my number one films I'd love to see on the big screen. Just about as perfect as a film can be and, as always IMO, ranks among the greatest gritty noir crime films ever. And, absolutely one of the most under watched compared to it's quality films ever.
That usually brings me to pornhub. Stoke that joke from Samuel Jacksons character in hard 8
precursor to Hard Eight
Funny I see this now when PTA I hear is in my hometown shooting a flick with Benicio del Toro and Leonardo Dicaprio!
Has the quality always looked like this? I ask because there’s some really grainy clips in my first short film so I’m looking to make myself feel better. 😂
Apparently this was shot with film. It should look the way hard Eight does. But this was recorded on a vhs so it has that crappy look
Privileged to see it
I do like to think that this takes place before reservoir dogs and the guy is the cop that gets he’s ear cut and it’s like karma for what he did to his wife and friend
I would love for Paul to direct this project I have in mind called Hair and Makeup about an adventuresome Hollywood makeup artist starring Tara Reid. Can somebody tell our friend Paul about this?
Is the second character that appears the guy who plays the cop who gets tortured in Resivoir Dogs?
yup, marvin nash
And his best friend is Zed the rapist from pulp fiction
Just wondering. Doesn't the music at the end resemble Radiohead's Treefingers? Thom Yorke?
Thom would of only been 25 at this point. They’d released their debut album the same year.
It's synth ambient music, Radiohead didn't invent it.
@@Guadeloop ^this
Very clever.
YOoooooo, is that fucking Marvin Nash from reservoir dogs?
Nick Rodriguez exactly what I was thinking
+KuspeMusic ya i instantly thought that too
+Nick Rodriguez It is. Actor's name is Kirk Baltz. He was a co-producer on the film too. Helped it getting financed.
The film that started it all.
Sensacional!!
Infelizmente não tem legendas em português
Has anyone got a link for a decent quality version?
This is the best quality available until it's released on DVD or Blu-Ray but that's extremely unlikely.
Fair play, until the complete boxset then..
+Elliot Lanceley Nobody thought we would EVER see a clear copy of Fear And Desire...hopefully we don't have to wait 15 years after the directors DEATH...so yeah, hoping if Criterion picks up Boogie Nights/Hard eight...they will include these shorts.
If Criterion release Hard Eight on Blu Ray this would probable be included as a bonus feature (in HD)
Axxonn Looking very likely for next year...
Anyone know who is responsible for the end music?
holy fuck this is awesome.
Super Deluxe (2019) has a reference from here 04:31
11/10 no cap
yeah, he wasn't. He actually hustled and borrowed a camera, and he got several checks from people. Paul has that charm, it's hardly luck, he just knows how to talk to people and get things done his own way. He wasn't some rich boy like David Bowie's son or something.
Thom Yorke???!!! Ha Ha!! I can't believe that nobody took that name before...
this was incredible