If you're interested in the Thorin + Richard + MonteCristo movie review show mentioned in this episode, it's called "Four Play" and can be watched on the Last Free Nation Culture channel! Link: www.youtube.com/@LastFreeNationCulture
I don't know, I think PGL would be open to having all 3 on the desk, they seem a lot more willing to take these guys in than Blast and ESL who only want to play it safe. PGL knows that these 3 would make the best content
@@KindriEvans Thorin and Silviu had a mardy on twitter after Copenhagen and when Richard announced he would be working PGL's events next year Thorin said "Apparently everyone else wants the PGL cheque so I'll be their huckleberry, like I seemingly always have to be." so heavily doubt lol. There's a first time for everything though so maybe Richard can convince him to lay off it lmao.
@@distantlights3510 I understand your points, however if they're willing to sign Richard who is considered a brand risk for other TO's (and especially after everything RL and Thorin had said after Stockholm), I wouldn't put it past them to employ Thorin and a few others after a few conversations. Maybe not for the biggest events initially, but I think seeing him every now and again for some PGL events isn't out of the question
@@KindriEvans The point isn't that PGL won't hire Thorin, they of course would, it's that Thorin is seemingly going scorched earth in relation to them and Thorin ain't one to back down lmao. RL isn't considered a "brand risk" what are you on? He's one of the most tenured and professional people in the whole of esports. He's fundamentally opposed to sports washing/will call out TO's on their bullshit, that's not being a "brand risk" that's just called having principles.
@@distantlights3510Unfortunately, nowadays having principles like the one Richard does makes you considered a brand risk by many TOs / companies in general. But ofcourse Richard wouldn't even accepting working for most of these TOs.
Those 3 hours absolutely flew by, loved this episode. Excited for the future videos about Liquid's internal issues and am always glad to see people call out the Zywoo "glazers" as it were.
Winston churcill once said "show me a young cs fan who likes thorin's takes and i'll show you someone with no heart, show me an old cs fan who disagrees with thorin and i'll show you someone with no brains" :p love the content as always
monesy had the special sauce from the very beginning especially his charackter combined with his skill and his "star power" i allways thought it was crazy letting him go for 600k while simple was clearly on his way out
I don't see a world where M0nesy isn't the goat of CS2. He has been carrying G2 on his back all year. I never thought I'd see a time where Niko isn't the star player on his team, but M0nesy completely outshines him.
Always a treat to see rich and thorin talk about counter strike now we got Maui in the mix ! We cooking here ! Now if only we had kassad mix in there !
Shut up bro cadian is fucking trash he was dead weight and they were never gonna win anything. Better to get an igl and a good awper instead of a good igl who is shit on the awp.
I think it's sad to witness what happened to Stewie. We were all cheering for him when he entered the scene when he was young. Now it's just sadness. He didn't perform better at Dallas, because he chose so. He willingly made a decision to use %20 percent of his power. - Stewie in the interview btw
Richard & Thorin thank you for the excellent and humorous insight on stewie2k's interview. I was beginning to think the counterstrike world had gone mad with all the idiotic positive feedback I was seeing. Thorin put it well. He's still mentally 16 years old. Unfortunate for him he hasn't learned from his mistakes. I can't help but root against him because of his disingenuous personality and complete and utter lack of professionalism.
The point about perfecto and Richard's reflection that he doesn't particularly care for anchors right now is all derived from how much more aggression is rewarded in CS2 mr12 over CSGO mr15. Even the top quality IGL's we're seeing from the old guard are some of the most famously aggressive players such as apEX, chopper and snax. I'm confident that in the era they were at their best we would've all picked their more cerebral peers if we had to gamble on who would one day be some of the best IGLs on the market. Gotta go fucking fast.
XTQZZZ and apEX survive in Vitality because they're French, that's it. If they were Swedish or something they'd have been done for long ago. I agree with Richard, I'm not sold on apEX as an IGL, never seemed cerebral, never seemed to out-read his opponents and always leaned on coaches to get the tactical side done. Whenever Vitality win, it's because their defaults are good and their players hit their shots, or Zywoo goes nuclear and carries them or they get lucky. I've never seen apEX do what Chopper did in the final of Blast Spring where he just out-reads the opponent completely. I've seen apEX gamble stack at the beginning of rounds, but I've never seen him just pull a team apart as an IGL in mid rounds by pushing the right space for info multiple rounds and putting his teammates in position to just plant the bomb safely by fooling the enemy team to rotate, or to stack a site as a CT off his instinctual play. It's always seemed forced. As for XTQZZZ I've seen him as coach in G2, can't say much other than they underperformed and didn't qualify for a major, he also basically used Aleksi as a sacrificial lamb for him to stay at G2 as coach, which is hilarious considering Aleksi is a good IGL and definitely elevates players. Then you look at Vitality now and they have nothing to show really for him to remain as coach. I don't know much about him and his coaching ethos because unlike Blad3 he doesn't have really a distinctive style or system, in addition he barely does interviews and stuff and stuff in English is also hard to come by with his take about stuff. But he's basically riding the coattails of when his Vitality team with Shox and RpK were doing well despite them being old. My counter argument is although those guys were old, they were at a point where they're legends of the game in their twilight years, with so much experience winning between them that they just knew what to do or they bought into the team plan and helped assist Zywoo, or they min-maxxed their individual play through their wisdom. Sure, on the stat sheet they were negative rating or whatever, but they simply did everything so optimally good that it worked out and the team succeeded as a whole. Say what you want about Shox being bad at CS:GO towards the end of his time playing it, but he was still so experienced that he would almost always make the right move move and be a good secondary caller in a team that desperately sometimes needed an idea when things went south.
I wonder if we'll ever get the blackmail story outta richard. Him coming out on by the numbers all pissed off was clearly him getting ahead of something. Definitely not been the same since. Miss trashtalk rich.
That Fabien Devide guy glowing up Apex all those years ago when they went international, I knew they were going to be gimped for years. Leaving a lot of trophies on the table and I'm not sure its just a Zywoo problem.
@@joeywheeler9074 You clearly know nothing about their abilities when working events lol. Also everyone who works a desk has massive bias against certain things when they make videos/opinion pieces on their socials, but they check that at the door. Have you only been watching CS for the past few years? Clueless. 🤡
vitality making it to high up in tournaments but failing to win has been a theme throughout the entire project it feels like and the only constants have been zywoo and apex
If you're interested in the Thorin + Richard + MonteCristo movie review show mentioned in this episode, it's called "Four Play" and can be watched on the Last Free Nation Culture channel! Link: www.youtube.com/@LastFreeNationCulture
Nice one - just listened to the Face Off episode...it was great 🤣
@user-fc8xw4fi5vkyg😢
Maui: "Finally EU sees that you need NA talent to have a chance.."
*Thorin lowers his volume
Based
Unfortunately this is probably the closest we'll get to having these three at an analyst desk together, but I love this either way
I don't know, I think PGL would be open to having all 3 on the desk, they seem a lot more willing to take these guys in than Blast and ESL who only want to play it safe. PGL knows that these 3 would make the best content
@@KindriEvans Thorin and Silviu had a mardy on twitter after Copenhagen and when Richard announced he would be working PGL's events next year Thorin said "Apparently everyone else wants the PGL cheque so I'll be their huckleberry, like I seemingly always have to be." so heavily doubt lol. There's a first time for everything though so maybe Richard can convince him to lay off it lmao.
@@distantlights3510 I understand your points, however if they're willing to sign Richard who is considered a brand risk for other TO's (and especially after everything RL and Thorin had said after Stockholm), I wouldn't put it past them to employ Thorin and a few others after a few conversations. Maybe not for the biggest events initially, but I think seeing him every now and again for some PGL events isn't out of the question
@@KindriEvans The point isn't that PGL won't hire Thorin, they of course would, it's that Thorin is seemingly going scorched earth in relation to them and Thorin ain't one to back down lmao.
RL isn't considered a "brand risk" what are you on? He's one of the most tenured and professional people in the whole of esports. He's fundamentally opposed to sports washing/will call out TO's on their bullshit, that's not being a "brand risk" that's just called having principles.
@@distantlights3510Unfortunately, nowadays having principles like the one Richard does makes you considered a brand risk by many TOs / companies in general. But ofcourse Richard wouldn't even accepting working for most of these TOs.
3:08 maui's volume being lowered as soon as he starts talking killed me
goated edit
@@tiosuke38it’s not an edit
I always wanted Maui to be a guest on By The Numbers
Thank you for having Richard and doing a long episode to boot. Prolly not hard for a buncha mates but its much appreciated in the factory ❤
Poor Maui is literally sandwiched in the middle by two bearded men during the topic on Stewie.
That’s his Bread and Butter or he Broke
Wish thoorin and rich never stopped making BTN these 2 together are still the best cs podcasting duo of all time.
Arguably the best esports podcast ever
I think Rich said he stopped because he was getting way too much hate from it.
Best episodes were 3 hours with 1 hour of petty grievances at the start
Let me guess
Richard`s ugly point: Stewicel
Maui's good point: Stewie is top5 igl right now :)
1/2
Damn, 3 hours and Richard, thanks 🎉
I would kill to see this lineup doing a desk segment in a big tournament
"fans" won't be able to handle it lmfaooo
@@Hax187 Because average fan has to wait 10 more years to legally drink. In Europe.
@@paradoxofgodexistingoof
@@paradoxofgodexisting yup exactly haha
the special snowflakes are gonna cry and say its too toxic KEK
i have thoroughly enjoyed this first episode of The Return Of The Return Of By The Numbers
1:29:02 to 2:15:21 for the By The Numbers cameo
The energy between Thorin and Richard is exactly like I remember from the BTN days, like it never ended. Absolutely loving this!
3hr what a blessing, thx guys
I know for a fact that this is going to be a fucking sick episode.
BY THE NUMBERS returned!
Duncan was absolutely on fire in this video! Banger point after banger point.
We eating good tonight lads. Thanks for the great content!
Richard Lewis going in on Stewie's broken mental was gold.
Projecting from his little closet of loneliness 😂😂😂
@@TYLERLOVESBMX1 i mean, he's right tbh
@@gbrowning2749 about his own insecurity? sure. about stewie? lol no
really happy Rich came on for an episode, great listen!
Thank you all very much for this long video. Welcome back Richard. You were dearly missed
This episode reminded me why By The Numbers was the best esports podcast ever. I can listen to Rich and Thorin for hours without losing interest
Christmas came early, can't wait to hear RLewis roast Maui for his stewie2k interview gobblefest
“bluds doing tricks on it”
3 hours of Richard, Maui and Thorin talking about CS? Sign me up!
Those 3 hours absolutely flew by, loved this episode. Excited for the future videos about Liquid's internal issues and am always glad to see people call out the Zywoo "glazers" as it were.
You're pugging with mythic that hits differently.
I can't WAIT for the full stew10am shred session.
even without watching the full video I already know this trio is gonna bring the fire 🔥
3 hours with the best 3, damn this is a good day
When you see the chapter breakdown and one of the Ugly takes is more than a quarter of the whole show. 🍿🍿🍿
Winston churcill once said "show me a young cs fan who likes thorin's takes and i'll show you someone with no heart, show me an old cs fan who disagrees with thorin and i'll show you someone with no brains" :p love the content as always
I drink everytime Thorin says "By the way" - I am deceased.
Can’t wait for this 3 hour banger. Every time Thorin and RL do content it reminds me of how much I miss BTN. Cheers
CadiaN got Stabbi'd, then the knife was Twistzzed
monesy had the special sauce from the very beginning
especially his charackter combined with his skill and his "star power"
i allways thought it was crazy letting him go for 600k while simple was clearly on his way out
What a banger of a line-up this week, I could watch you three all day every day go back and forth
God i miss Richard and thorin by the numbers show, this podcast is like a teaser
Wow, what a surprise guest! Good on you guys and Richard.
This feels almost like a BTN throwback. Good times.
Man we got to get richard an thorin back on a cs podcast. The chemistry is just magical
This trio would be so fun to listen to on a tournament desk.
Stewie has unlocked a new level of breath management in Richard when it comes to rants LOL, full rap god mode was activated.
What a banger. I don’t normally listen to the entire podcast but man this was great.
Three hours of Thorin, Rich and Maui holy fuck. Thanks for making my weekend guys.
Haven't even watched the episode yet but I already know this is going to be a banger!
Great format giving each person 3 topics. Well done.
Great vid. Thanks! Also I love the longer format
3 hour snake and banter with Richard Lewis?? Today is a good day.
perhaps the best episode to date
A banger lads. My heart broke for Maui as he got double teamed on his Stewie point 😂😂
Vintage BtN vibe episode. The heat was back with the rants
I don't see a world where M0nesy isn't the goat of CS2. He has been carrying G2 on his back all year. I never thought I'd see a time where Niko isn't the star player on his team, but M0nesy completely outshines him.
Donk
Cs2 isn't even a year old and you're talking about goats
@@daanishgupta yeah he was the goat in dallas and major
We don't know yet. People said the same about get_right and shox in csgo. Although the ceiling/levels are completely different
@@mum-your So, he was the greatest of all time, two times? People's usage of "goat" is fucking sad
seeing rl and thorin on a cs podcast brought back so many memories ❤❤❤❤🙏🙏❤
Always a treat to see rich and thorin talk about counter strike now we got Maui in the mix ! We cooking here ! Now if only we had kassad mix in there !
the next major desk preview 🎉
The crossover we always wanted.
Hell yeah brother
goes without saying really, but this would be a banger weekly trio- love yalls (totally not an unhealthy parasocial relationship)
46:08 some could say they twistzz a naf 🔪 into cadians back
Shut up bro cadian is fucking trash he was dead weight and they were never gonna win anything. Better to get an igl and a good awper instead of a good igl who is shit on the awp.
@MichaelMcmanhory-ms9mr stabbi came out with a statement that basically corroborated heroic's story. somehow they thought it would clear their name.
Great episode, BTN vibes, what a way to start my week
Absolute banger episode thx for the 3h entertainment guys
Sad to see that the full episode on Minecraft isn't out yet :(
Great content as always. Thanks.
long episode with Thorin and Rich ? Let me get my beer
lets go
Legendary line-up
Banger episode
had to listen right away instead of waiting till work another banger 😯
as a north american fan i’m sad to say mauisnakes cope with stewie has made me question his past takes
show starts at 1:29:00
I think it's sad to witness what happened to Stewie. We were all cheering for him when he entered the scene when he was young. Now it's just sadness.
He didn't perform better at Dallas, because he chose so. He willingly made a decision to use %20 percent of his power. - Stewie in the interview btw
Boy, talking like this is REALLY gonna get you hosting gigs. Nice RL, good Throin impression XD
the BTN Vibes 😍🥺
Thank you for 3 hour content 🙏
When Thorin says you're being self-indulgent, you know you're out of line 😂
I loved the BTN episode in the middle there.
Nice, christmas has come early!
Richard & Thorin thank you for the excellent and humorous insight on stewie2k's interview. I was beginning to think the counterstrike world had gone mad with all the idiotic positive feedback I was seeing. Thorin put it well. He's still mentally 16 years old. Unfortunate for him he hasn't learned from his mistakes. I can't help but root against him because of his disingenuous personality and complete and utter lack of professionalism.
Getting the band back together. Banger video.
The point about perfecto and Richard's reflection that he doesn't particularly care for anchors right now is all derived from how much more aggression is rewarded in CS2 mr12 over CSGO mr15.
Even the top quality IGL's we're seeing from the old guard are some of the most famously aggressive players such as apEX, chopper and snax. I'm confident that in the era they were at their best we would've all picked their more cerebral peers if we had to gamble on who would one day be some of the best IGLs on the market. Gotta go fucking fast.
I get what was said was spicy by Stewie but no one can ever complain again that players give basic, nothing answers. This is why.
by the snake and numbers! love it guys good content
Hooxi looking at teammates while talking is something a lot of players do even Simple said it himself. But doing it mid round is wild ngl
Hell yeah, Rich episode
XTQZZZ and apEX survive in Vitality because they're French, that's it. If they were Swedish or something they'd have been done for long ago. I agree with Richard, I'm not sold on apEX as an IGL, never seemed cerebral, never seemed to out-read his opponents and always leaned on coaches to get the tactical side done. Whenever Vitality win, it's because their defaults are good and their players hit their shots, or Zywoo goes nuclear and carries them or they get lucky. I've never seen apEX do what Chopper did in the final of Blast Spring where he just out-reads the opponent completely. I've seen apEX gamble stack at the beginning of rounds, but I've never seen him just pull a team apart as an IGL in mid rounds by pushing the right space for info multiple rounds and putting his teammates in position to just plant the bomb safely by fooling the enemy team to rotate, or to stack a site as a CT off his instinctual play. It's always seemed forced.
As for XTQZZZ I've seen him as coach in G2, can't say much other than they underperformed and didn't qualify for a major, he also basically used Aleksi as a sacrificial lamb for him to stay at G2 as coach, which is hilarious considering Aleksi is a good IGL and definitely elevates players. Then you look at Vitality now and they have nothing to show really for him to remain as coach. I don't know much about him and his coaching ethos because unlike Blad3 he doesn't have really a distinctive style or system, in addition he barely does interviews and stuff and stuff in English is also hard to come by with his take about stuff. But he's basically riding the coattails of when his Vitality team with Shox and RpK were doing well despite them being old. My counter argument is although those guys were old, they were at a point where they're legends of the game in their twilight years, with so much experience winning between them that they just knew what to do or they bought into the team plan and helped assist Zywoo, or they min-maxxed their individual play through their wisdom. Sure, on the stat sheet they were negative rating or whatever, but they simply did everything so optimally good that it worked out and the team succeeded as a whole. Say what you want about Shox being bad at CS:GO towards the end of his time playing it, but he was still so experienced that he would almost always make the right move move and be a good secondary caller in a team that desperately sometimes needed an idea when things went south.
Banger episode as always
Maui was playing Switzerland during that stewie rant lmaoooooo. bro didnt say a word 😭😭
Watching Richard meltdown about this is making me sad. Looking forward to this being over
Pgl should hire these 3 guys for their next event!! Straight fire 🔥
3 hours.. 3 hours?! Spicy banter of the highest tier? Straight into my veins it goes!
Cheers, guys.
I wonder if we'll ever get the blackmail story outta richard. Him coming out on by the numbers all pissed off was clearly him getting ahead of something. Definitely not been the same since.
Miss trashtalk rich.
That Fabien Devide guy glowing up Apex all those years ago when they went international, I knew they were going to be gimped for years. Leaving a lot of trophies on the table and I'm not sure its just a Zywoo problem.
Love seeing Rich back on a cs podcast.
these three in a Major desk would be insane.
Fuck no lol. Can't have biased haters.
@@joeywheeler9074 You clearly know nothing about their abilities when working events lol. Also everyone who works a desk has massive bias against certain things when they make videos/opinion pieces on their socials, but they check that at the door. Have you only been watching CS for the past few years? Clueless. 🤡
@@joeywheeler9074it still would be insane
It would single handedly kill CS
vitality making it to high up in tournaments but failing to win has been a theme throughout the entire project it feels like and the only constants have been zywoo and apex
thanks again for the content
Free Twistzz PLEASE. He is my favorite player and it hurts me to watch him in this incompetent team.
Great episode 💪
Funny how this felt like by the numbers just without the old jokes
love it. Good content. Where is the film content? 2001 a space odyssey?