Nothing sounds like a 104. Have always loved it. One landed at Cannon AFB NM when i was stationed there in 1973. We heard it's approach. We hurried over to the flight line to see it. i was a power lineman and also airfield lighting and power technician (TAC) F-111 training base. Thanks for this post.
I was station at Cannon AFB IN LATE 60'S. Was an avionics technician, SSGT in the 524th tac fighter Sq. Worked on the transit alert area of the flight line. Went to school on the F-111 and never got to even get up on one.
I was a Stinger MANPADS crew member back in the late 80's and we had to study the silhouette of this aircraft in VACR (Visual Aircraft recognition) while testing all of NATO and hostile aircraft even though they where non left in any air forces but just a few
I grew up with the CF104, which my father worked on as an avionics technician at 1 Wing Lahr Germany in the 1960s. But back then it was polished silver - a beautiful aircraft. When I returned to Canadian Forces Europe in 1977 to run the radio station at Baden-Söllingen, the 104s were painted army green like in the video.
When it is parked, they have to put coverings on the wing edges so that maintenance people don't run into them and get cut. At one time this aircraft held the world speed record.
The only time I seen F-104's flying was when I was sent TDY to Edwards AFB from Norton AFB in the early 1980's, They were flown by NASA. I remember the whistling sound they made when they flew over head. Love that plane. Good video.
Bellissimo lo spillone che ritorna a volare grazie al norvegesi incredibile magari un vecchio TF104 rimesso a nuovo per la gioia dei nostalgici di questo velivolo immortale. Grandissimi.
Landing speed is about 170 to 180 knots depending on weight and conditions an touch down 160 to 170kts. You fly it at no less thar 83 to 85% power and use the speed brakes to adjust speed not the throttle. Cutting the power means you loose boundary air and will quickly stall. Was indeed flying a formula 1 race car. Pretty basic but fast and hard to see.
One of the huge problems of the type. Due to the small wing area it stalled very early, and viciously. Even with everything working perfectly, landing speed was just short of 300 km/h. That's with the BLC system functioning properly; if the engine had problems or had stalled, you needed to go *much* faster than that...
The design of the flap and aileron in one piece on this plane would allow the plane to hold on to the air more during take off and land, it is now a legend in the past. Avionic And Oto Pilot Tekc.
Well....when I hit the mega I'll have one for damn sure. The 104 had "blown flaps" to fool the wing that it was bigger for takeoff and landings, if those failed I think final was about 200 kts plus? THAT would be exciting.! Can you.imagine blowing a main right at touchdown??!!
Hhhh.. To fool the wing that it was bigger. Nah, if that system failed, in clean config (no external load) would add 20-25 kts. So, touch down at around 185 kts, no load an must be low on fuel. Unfortunately, famous for widowmaking, and numeous political scandals caused by bribes from Locheed. Scary plane
I assume when you are taking off in an Airplane that does not glide well with no power, you want as much speed and altitude as possible until you get to 10,000-20,000 feet.
A starfighter always need to use afterburner on take off, due to high take off speed. The wings are very short, and that makes the take off speed high. (Altso makes a starfighter wery fast)
Not that much. Fighters are exposed to the highest g forces (up to about 9 g) when doing tight turns at high speed, not during a take-off like this. The net g force experienced here was hardly more than about 1.3 g when combining normal gravity and horizontal acceleration.
I grew up adjacent to Luke AFB in AZ and got to see them on final approach all the time. Glad I wasn't on the other end of the runway... How can you not like a plane who's wings are no longer than the fuselage is wide.
This is a CF-104D serial 104637. Purchased from Canada, and was based i Bodø / Norway from 1973. History of all CF-104 Norway bought from Canada here: starfighter.no/sq334-e.html
What i'm always wondering how it is possible to hold the bird on place while turning up the engine. There are only a few square niches which make contact from tire to tarmac and this is enough to hold it at place,
Friction is determined by f=-μF where f is the frictional force, μ is the friction coefficient and F is the weight of the object in question. This means it doesn't actually matter how much surface area is in contact with the ground. You just need very sticky tires.
@@cloudy7937 But most war birds today have more power as weight and i think, the tires are laid out to withstand the enormous acceleration at the landing so i don't think, that they are very sticky.
@@boogie153 "Sticky" as in high friction coefficient, not actually sticky and gooey. The F-104 weighs 6,350 kg empty and 13,166 kg at full load, so let's say the craft in question weighs about 10 tons or 10,000kg or about 100 kN. With the afterburner on the engine produces 69 kN of thrust, and friction coefficient of tires being around 0.7~0.8, the frictional force is about 70 ~ 80 kN, which is _just_ about enough to hold the plane in place before takeoff.
Jimbo- As stated by others, it’s the G.E. J79, which is a single spool turbo-jet. Modern engines are two or three spool turbo-fan. A turbo-fan will produce quicker takeoff acceleration. The J79 morphed into other aircraft and industrial engines, such as LM1500 and LM2500. It’s also the beginnings of CFM56 which is one of the most prolific airliner engines in use.
The RA-5 Vigilante also used J-79's. When I was a teen age, dad was a 104 IP at Luke AFB. Hearing the otherworldly shriek-howl of the J-79 could inspire goosebumps.
Yes. Norway bought second hand CF's from Canada. But Canada did not have a production line for two seaters, so this CF-104D i built by Lockheed in USA for Canada.
Its take-off acceleration was probably around 0.7 g, which isn't that much by modern standard. It took about 21-22 seconds for it to leave the ground. Compare with this F-16, also in Norway, that only needed 12 seconds: ua-cam.com/video/EVYPj0t1tNc/v-deo.html
@@spitfirenutspitfirenut4835 Many newer fighters, including F-16, have better thrust/weight ratio than the F-104, and are thus able to accelerate faster during take-off and at subsonic speed. The F-104 excels at supersonic speed because its streamlined, rocketlike fuselage and short, thin wings with almost knife sharp leading edges produces less drag than most other fighters, enabling it to beat many of them despite its lower thrust/weight ratio. Fighters that do beat or at least match the F-104's top speed (F-15, F-22, Eurofighter etc) generally do that by "brute force", i.e. higher thrust/weight ratio.
The sound of a J-79 is truly something, especially that howl on landing
Nothing sounds like a 104. Have always loved it. One landed at Cannon AFB NM when i was stationed there in 1973. We heard it's approach. We hurried over to the flight line to see it. i was a power lineman and also airfield lighting and power technician (TAC) F-111 training base. Thanks for this post.
I was station at Cannon AFB IN LATE 60'S. Was an avionics technician, SSGT in the 524th tac fighter Sq. Worked on the transit alert area of the flight line.
Went to school on the F-111 and never got to even get up on one.
No... Anything with A J-79 engine deserves that distinguish!! Phantoms Forever ✌️
They put wings on that airplane because they had to put the ailerons somewhere.
Put wings and a cockpit on an engine.
Loved it
I was a Stinger MANPADS crew member back in the late 80's and we had to study the silhouette of this aircraft in VACR (Visual Aircraft recognition) while testing all of NATO and hostile aircraft even though they where non left in any air forces but just a few
The venerable F-104 Lawn Dart.
😅
What a stunning aircraft! Starfighters forever!
is it enough fast if u want to escape from home ?
I grew up with the CF104, which my father worked on as an avionics technician at 1 Wing Lahr Germany in the 1960s. But back then it was polished silver - a beautiful aircraft. When I returned to Canadian Forces Europe in 1977 to run the radio station at Baden-Söllingen, the 104s were painted army green like in the video.
5 years in Baden here. 73 to 78. Used to watch them from school
From Söllingen was the one who went down at Frankfurt Air Show in 1983
Did you know Newbs?
Audio gives me goosebumbs, I love this jet!
My father flew them and the old reel-to-reel from the cockpit is epic.
@@guyhermanson4108 That's awesome!
Wolf-howl 😊
@@Mr.Monta77 Yeah 👍
One ☝️ of the most impressive and Beautiful airplanes ✈️ ever designed and built! One word “Ageless”
In my eyes, this is one of the most beautiful aircraft ever.
Absolutely top 5 or 10 beautiful jets.
Le son d un J 79 est exceptionnel surtout lors de la montée en puissance et allumage de la postcombustion qu'elle son merveilleux.
It honoured its name. Truly looks like a missile with wings. Love it!!!!
When it is parked, they have to put coverings on the wing edges so that maintenance people don't run into them and get cut. At one time this aircraft held the world speed record.
One word: FANTASTIC!!
That acceleration after the burner was lit! Wow. Like there's no tomorrow.
Sound of my childhood...never forget.
Marvellous to see this aircraft still flying, it's a great shame there are no Lightnings still flying.
Thank god they are not flying anymore, it were Widowmakers
I was privileged to see the Lightnings at Geuterslough Royal Air Force Base in Germany. We were guests of the 19th Fighter Intercepter Squadron.
@@roybakker1973 you realise the f104 killed far more people due to alot of shitty design flaws?
@@kamo8073 thats why there were widdowmakers
The eerie howl of that Orenda powerplant is pure music for the ears.. such a great plane. The Missile with a man in it.🤣🙂
So that's where Spielberg got the sound for His Tie Fighters... nice..
Fantastic! video and audio both.
You need to listen to this takeoff with decent quality headphones....wicked.
It is a GE J79 Engine with wings...Great sound ¡
The sound of a Starfighter is unreplacable.
Same engine as the Phantom except we had two of them!
The only time I seen F-104's flying was when I was sent TDY to Edwards AFB from Norton AFB in the early 1980's, They were flown by NASA. I remember the whistling sound they made when they flew over head. Love that plane. Good video.
The most beautiful plane in the world.
True Legend! Wolf howling is amazing...
Bellissimo lo spillone che ritorna a volare grazie al norvegesi incredibile magari un vecchio TF104 rimesso a nuovo per la gioia dei nostalgici di questo velivolo immortale. Grandissimi.
Best looking aircraft - ever!
Lockheed also made the most beautiful airliner with the Super Constellation, especially the L1649 Starliner model.
Woooooooow!!! What a cool looking jet
great footage. the 104 was a very hard plane to fly. that landing was fantastic
Landing speed is about 170 to 180 knots depending on weight and conditions an touch down 160 to 170kts. You fly it at no less thar 83 to 85% power and use the speed brakes to adjust speed not the throttle. Cutting the power means you loose boundary air and will quickly stall. Was indeed flying a formula 1 race car. Pretty basic but fast and hard to see.
Hence the nickname “Ground nail,” among many others.
Jackson… You are a idiot. You don’t know what you are talking about. Go eat at bowl of corn flakes.
Good lord that was a fast landing.
One of the huge problems of the type. Due to the small wing area it stalled very early, and viciously. Even with everything working perfectly, landing speed was just short of 300 km/h. That's with the BLC system functioning properly; if the engine had problems or had stalled, you needed to go *much* faster than that...
interesting video espenjoh. I shattered that thumbs up on your video. Maintain up the exceptional work.
Beautiful plane still flying. WOW. Last Time i saw was in 1983 at Ait Show Frankfurt. One of them was coming down, but Pilot survived
Love the parachute, just like a dragster
So cool. Only the Starfighter.
I love the particular sound of j 79 a real stovepipe
The sound that J79 makes @ 2:15 sounds like something out of a Star Wars movie.
Incredible sound
sounds of ma childhood...awesome
What does the back sitter do in non conbat
Best Pilots flying F104 in the sixties 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Love it!👍
Awesome
*Thanks for sharing!!!*
The design of the flap and aileron in one piece on this plane would allow the plane to hold on to the air more during take off and land, it is now a legend in the past. Avionic And Oto Pilot Tekc.
Ein schönes Flugzeug mit tollen Proportionen…🧐👍👍…!
This is one wicked jet.😎👌👌
Nice plane ever !
Well....when I hit the mega I'll have one for damn sure. The 104 had "blown flaps" to fool the wing that it was bigger for takeoff and landings, if those failed I think final was about 200 kts plus? THAT would be exciting.! Can you.imagine blowing a main right at touchdown??!!
Hhhh.. To fool the wing that it was bigger. Nah, if that system failed, in clean config (no external load) would add 20-25 kts. So, touch down at around 185 kts, no load an must be low on fuel. Unfortunately, famous for widowmaking, and numeous political scandals caused by bribes from Locheed. Scary plane
A pretty good landing
帥氣
beautiful
Got to love the Starfighter
What a sound
Gorgeous
The wings are there to separate the nav lights
Lov THE WIDOW MAKER ..
Music to my ears. 🤙
Starfighter F 104 I read about it when I was a kid that it called the flying coffin.
wings are so sharp
Что за модель?
I assume when you are taking off in an Airplane that does not glide well with no power, you want as much speed and altitude as possible until you get to 10,000-20,000 feet.
After a woman's, creation's most beautiful curves.
Une merveille mes cristy qui sont bruyant
I think those are ex RCAF CF-104's
Is the afterburner take off necessarry or for show? (wouldn't it save tons of fuel when take off with dry thrust only?)
A starfighter always need to use afterburner on take off, due to high take off speed. The wings are very short, and that makes the take off speed high. (Altso makes a starfighter wery fast)
Ein Starfighter, der 2018 noch fliegt zeigt doch, dass er gar nicht so schlecht gewesen sein kann, wie er bezeichnet wird.
Ne
Yep, that big GE J-79 engine.
懐かしい
It even better with dual cocpit
Is it the air intake or the turbine blades that causes the howling sound?
Neither. I believe the current thinking is that it happens around the exhaust nozzle.
I thought it was the pilot 😀
I like this kid. Great job young man. Don't stop now but with discretion.
That's a high landing speed :-)
Wow, how many G's is the takeoff?
Not that much. Fighters are exposed to the highest g forces (up to about 9 g) when doing tight turns at high speed, not during a take-off like this. The net g force experienced here was hardly more than about 1.3 g when combining normal gravity and horizontal acceleration.
What a Freakin' BEAST.
i cean hear the feeling of the afterburner thundering through his body
Terrific crying sound of nuclear apocalypse
I grew up adjacent to Luke AFB in AZ and got to see them on final approach all the time. Glad I wasn't on the other end of the runway... How can you not like a plane who's wings are no longer than the fuselage is wide.
Luke is now F-35 training base. Fly over my house all the time.
The landing speed was such that the wheels had to be spun up before touchdown.
💕💕
The landing speed is fucking crazy.
Exact ce son
So9rry, NOT a Canadian Forces CF-104. It's someone's F-104 though. Anyone familiar with the national markings?
This is a CF-104D serial 104637. Purchased from Canada, and was based i Bodø / Norway from 1973. History of all CF-104 Norway bought from Canada here: starfighter.no/sq334-e.html
A giant jet engine with a couple of stabilizer slats sticking out the sides.
It's really more of a missile than a plane. Fuckin' A!
What i'm always wondering how it is possible to hold the bird on place while turning up the engine. There are only a few square niches which make contact from tire to tarmac and this is enough to hold it at place,
Friction is determined by f=-μF where f is the frictional force, μ is the friction coefficient and F is the weight of the object in question. This means it doesn't actually matter how much surface area is in contact with the ground. You just need very sticky tires.
@@cloudy7937 But most war birds today have more power as weight and i think, the tires are laid out to withstand the enormous acceleration at the landing so i don't think, that they are very sticky.
@@boogie153 "Sticky" as in high friction coefficient, not actually sticky and gooey. The F-104 weighs 6,350 kg empty and 13,166 kg at full load, so let's say the craft in question weighs about 10 tons or 10,000kg or about 100 kN. With the afterburner on the engine produces 69 kN of thrust, and friction coefficient of tires being around 0.7~0.8, the frictional force is about 70 ~ 80 kN, which is _just_ about enough to hold the plane in place before takeoff.
Three spikes instead of tyres would have even less contact to the ground but better friction for the weight. A bigger surface area is not better.
Where?
Norway. Based at Bodo (BOO/ENBO)
Civil registration LN-STF
See: www.starfighter.no/indeng.html
That flame in the bottom of the hot section ought to have been of great concern.
I'm afraid it wasn't.
This is like a 1950s f16!
Progettato dal grande Kelly Johnson!
Is this in Norway?
Bodø, Norway ENBO
reg. is LN-STF
Super Flugzeug
What kind of turbine does it have?
J79, same as B58, F-4 Phantom +++
Thanks
Jimbo- As stated by others, it’s the G.E. J79, which is a single spool turbo-jet. Modern engines are two or three spool turbo-fan. A turbo-fan will produce quicker takeoff acceleration. The J79 morphed into other aircraft and industrial engines, such as LM1500 and LM2500. It’s also the beginnings of CFM56 which is one of the most prolific airliner engines in use.
The RA-5 Vigilante also used J-79's. When I was a teen age, dad was a 104 IP at Luke AFB. Hearing the otherworldly shriek-howl of the J-79 could inspire goosebumps.
Briggs and Stratton on nitro.
The wolf in the air howls again.
My life for a F-104G!
CF-104 with military roundel for Norway at air intake ? CF = Canadian
Yes. Norway bought second hand CF's from Canada. But Canada did not have a production line for two seaters, so this CF-104D i built by Lockheed in USA for Canada.
@@espenjoh
Correct.
Canadair built 200 CF-104's for RCAF service and the 38 F-104D's were built by Lockheed in Burbank.
hooooowwwwwwliiing!!!!👍
0:56 i thought someone was playing some kind of flute with a potato in it
Nothing accelerates like a 104!
Its take-off acceleration was probably around 0.7 g, which isn't that much by modern standard. It took about 21-22 seconds for it to leave the ground.
Compare with this F-16, also in Norway, that only needed 12 seconds:
ua-cam.com/video/EVYPj0t1tNc/v-deo.html
@@fromnorway643 A 104 will reach Mach 2 well before an F-16.
@@fromnorway643 And a 104 is still accelerating at mach 2 while an F 16 has run out of steam.
@@spitfirenutspitfirenut4835
Many newer fighters, including F-16, have better thrust/weight ratio than the F-104, and are thus able to accelerate faster during take-off and at subsonic speed.
The F-104 excels at supersonic speed because its streamlined, rocketlike fuselage and short, thin wings with almost knife sharp leading edges produces less drag than most other fighters, enabling it to beat many of them despite its lower thrust/weight ratio.
Fighters that do beat or at least match the F-104's top speed (F-15, F-22, Eurofighter etc) generally do that by "brute force", i.e. higher thrust/weight ratio.
@@fromnorway643 But take-off speed of the minimal winged Starfighter probably is also much higher than the F-16's so that's why it takes more time.
D eeeew like the 1 seater
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