Miata Money Shift
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- SCCA Time Trial at Thunderhill West 6/9/2018. Recently replaced transmission and the new one had a slightly different feel shifting into 4th gear. First time on track with it, you guessed it.... money shift. Looks like I hit about 8300 RPM.
They're driving around the old Microsoft desktop background in the winter
Underrated
So it means it was not a failed gear-change - it was an error XD
They actually are this is right by where that picture was taken
@@donsreptiles4602 Actually not 😂 The Bliss pic was taken in Sonoma county
I was gonna say that lmao
The worst part of money shifts is the next few miles of cold dread and the next thousand miles of anxiety 😂
Bruh i money shifted my shit yesterday and im watching every money shift video on youtube, if this aint me rn 💀
@@fletcherchan that's why I'm here too.
@@fletcherchansame lmao
My K20 screamed to 10k in my RSX was going from 3rd to 4th not sure if it got stuck between those or accidentally went into 2nd but holy shit I just see the tachometer passed the redline :( the engine is running normal but my anxiety is not over
@@HispanidadLATAMhow’s she running bro?
Nothing to fear here :D The MX-5 NB engine is good for 7400RPM (Not once or short, i talk from beating it all day long) without any parts changed. If you go higher, the valve springs will fail first. This is not a engine killer at all b.c. it's a non interference engine and so the pistons wont hit the valves, even if they stay full open after the spring is gone. The pistons and rods are even good for 7800RPM before you need to change them and thats also for a car that is driven hard on the track. People allways tell "nah, you cant" or "it's impossible" but they never testet it. My numbers are testet over years and proven fact.
Finally. A miata owner that just speaks facts
@@atombell991 Only if let i open up my engine, let change my valve springs back to original, let change stuff in the ecu to get back to 7400rpm and than take multiple videos over time. After that, i have to let it open again, let change valve springs to what they are now, also use the actual values in the ecu and again take multiple videos over time to prove it. So if you think realistically about it: No i can't b.c. it's the car that i use for everything (so i need it) and it will cost my ugly amounts of money just to prove it to you. I guess you can tke the "Thumps Up" that my post got as a indicator that there are enough people out there, that also know about that fact :D
@@atombell991 But one thing that you can do if you rly want to know: There is a company in germany that is doing MX-5 only since 2012. It's called "sps-motorsport". They build turbo, compressor, ITB miatas and you can ask them here on youtube for the Q&A video that they upload every friday or you can send them a mail. *Edit* If you ask in english, they will answer your question in english even if all the other stuff in the q&a video is in german.
If a spring breaks and collapses and the keepers come out and the retainer pops off and the valve has a chance to fall into the cylinder tho lol....
@@graveyardrumblers Sure but the chance for that to happen is not rly high :D
Man can we take a second to appreciate the track
Am I the only one that understood ? xD 3 mounth srry :3
@@diamondsharpness5321 ??????
Now you really are confused
It looks so cool when it’s green, I’ve been there multiple times
@@ukrainium_92 where is it?
That steering handling is giving me anxiety 😂
ikr idk why so many people keep shuffling the wheel when they never have to
@@elijahstewart1333 you get taught to do that when you get your licence
@@Fluffy_g3 They don't anymore, at least where I learnt and took my test.
@@dfsafadsDW they still do it here in New Zealand it's stupid you will be noted as a mistake if you don't feed
@@Fluffy_g3 I learnt in Victoria, Australia. First day the instructor is like don't shuffle, steering wheels aren't made for that.
it’s a miata it’ll be fine
Haaaa haaaa thats terrible, funny as hell but dam those miata's are tough!!!
Yeah, hard to over rev a 17 horsepower chainsaw. I mean they don't start making power until 9k rpm 😄
@@ashes2ashes863 You could just end that sentence at making power, wouldnt be wrong either way. I love a miata tho.
i own a 97 1.8l first manual car and the money shifts do virtually nothing…
@@snowjix you dont need power to have fun, I have a 1970 mgb that makes 80 hp (maybe?) On a good day. But that thing is a blast to drive
My brother taught me to always turn my hand over, so my palm is facing the passenger side of the car, when I shift from third to fourth. It forces you to line up straight to go into fourth and avoid this very thing from happening.
I honestly let the shifter keep itself centered and just guide it down. Since 5/6 speeds are neutral-centric and 3-4th is in the center, it just works.
thats a pretty smart idea. Maybe youll hit 6 but thats fine. better to lose 1 second in the track than 1 engine :D
I grip it with my hand on the right side of the shifter for first and second, with my palm on top of it for 3rd and 4th, and with my palm slightly on the left for 5th and 6th, if I had a sixth gear :')
Doing that when shifting to 6th since I was mishifting pretty often after switching from a 5-gear car. Never had issues with 3 to 4 though since they both are at the neutral position. Except once in an ancient GAZ-24 with a loose shifter, but the synchro warned me about that immediately. :D
Yep, this is the way.
Wow that track is beautiful
its a whole lot pretty when its green imo. Thunderhill is my favo track ive ran out of everything on the west coast so far
Damn right it is.
It’s like racing around the windows xp wallpaper
@@handmadezebra7366 I’ve been there a few times, it’s so nice when it’s green
Miata Handled it like a champ though (look at the rev counter)
He caught it quick enough to not do any damage. I've done it on my honda a couple times when I was learning and she is still running fine no issues.
Y'all waiting for 0:43
Thank you for the public service
The anticipation hurts so much when you know its coming
Can't tell you how many time I've thrown my Miata (mazdasepeed) in reverse trying to go into 6th. Everyone I've ever let drive it has done the same, even after being warned how close together they are. Reverse barely works anymore lol.
'04 Miata LS with a 6 speed owner here, how is that possible? Those that I've taught stick with my car have so much trouble even putting it in reverse (same with me when I first got it) because of how much you have to push it over to the side. I also thought it was literally impossible to put a car in reverse while going forward anyway? Since this was my first car I learned stick on, I just kept fudging my tranny up when I first got it on the highway, and kept forgetting I was already maxed out in 6th, but because my car is so much louder than I was used to, I kept thinking I was still in 4th and "shifting up" back down to 5th 🤦🏻♂️🤣 Only times I've ever money shot my trans is when I try going 6th-4th and accidentally jump to 2nd 😵 Thankfully I've always put the clutch right back in when I feel the car start rearing up. Somehow it's still going after 5 or so years of me owning it 🤞
I still wish I could've gotten a Mazdaspeed, but just missed the seller having one by only 2 months...
reverse will never mesh when going forward, as the gears are going wrong direction at insane speed. you might be able to pull it off, but it will take extreme force and also enough luck that youll probably snap the shifting fork in the process instead. you can try this by slightly going forward at way below walking pace and try getting into reverse. the noises will be quite insane even then. now imagine at 100 mph lol.
why doesnt mazda have reverse lockout technology lol that shouldnt be possible
@@off2eat Something must be different/wrong with his or something, cause my 6 speed has a full-on slot you have to force your way into to reverse it (the only stick shift car I have any familiarity with is mine). It's literally impossible for me to accidentally slide the lever into the reverse slot when going into 6th, let alone even move the slot to put it in reverse, since it's locked out or whatever when driving forward, lol. Idk even 1st gear for me requires a bit more force if you tried downshifting into 1st, so I might not need to ever worry about money-shotting my tranny going from 2nd to 3rd 🤙
@@allahsnackbar9915 It doesn't engage it just grinds like crazy.
Its a non interference engine so you won't bend any valves
Ya when the timing belt goes or it jumps time not money shifting that can blow anything
If the RPM goes high enough then valve float can occur which could cause damage becuase even when the camshaft isn't touching the valve it may still not have enough time to return before the piston comes back up. You're still obviously safer with a non interferance engine but the risk is definitely still there
Edit: Should have said this way differently tbh, don't know what I was thinking when writing this a year ago lmao.
What I should have said is:
Non interference engines can still suffer from over-rev damage, especially in the valvetrain itself. The risk of piston to valve contact is 0, however you can still ruin the engine by over-revving. At first the valvetrain will be damaged, but with repeated and severe cases of over-revving you can even damage the connecting rods (though you do need a LOT of time spent at too high rpms)
so what else do you recomend to avoid catastrophic failure in tha matter sir?
@@antonchigurr2722 Not letting off the clutch when you got the wrong gear..
@@stamkaly2032 Exactly, you can see in the video that the guy partially let go of the clutch, realized he screwed up, and quickly put the clutch back in to prevent over-revving. I've done this a few times in my Mazdaspeed 6 and quickly realized I screwed up the shift and corrected it without causing any damage.
Every engine can go up to 15,000RPM once.
...Once.
Nice try there champ, but jokes are generally funnier when you don't pre-announce the punchline. ;)
good to know
Samir, you're breaking the car!!!!
Shuddup
Is it really a money-shift if you continue driving normally after??
0:43
Is that 3rd gear to 2nd gear change, i made the same mistake once
I did that two times with my Abarth… I was a bit wondering bud didn't damage anything apparently…
I did that once in my car accidentally and my engine blew, whole car was written off
Anyone else recognize the windows xp background
lool now that you say it his whole surrounding looks like low poly racing game from the 90s
Yuh
Damn the graphics on this game look sick lol
@@bikerboy3k damn chill dude
@@bikerboy3k chill bro!!!!!!!!!!
@@bikerboy3k eat a snickers
@@bikerboy3k lmao you're mad
@@bikerboy3k jeeeze man, you ok?
I’m so glad the engine was okay
Bright side is at least you didn't blow up your transmission and could keep driving for the day!
No one gonna mention how he holds the wheel
@M T Dumbest thing i've ever heard, changing handposition every 2 seconds just to turn the steering wheel 1/4th of a turn increases fatigue, not lowering it...
@@Jeppelelle Exactly, this driving is dangerous and requires so much work than regular driving. Not only that, but if you had to counter an oversteer, you wouldn't know exactly where the center of the wheel is because your hand placement is off.
I learned to drive this way when I was in private drivers ed (I dropped out of high school and went to work while I got my GED, back in 2007). It’s a primarily a safety precaution. If your arms cross past 3 o clock and 9 o’clock you may beak your arms in a crash. The airbag in the steering wheel will demolish your face and break your arms. This was also taught in my public schools driver education curriculum.
Shuffling the wheel is also a technique that gives you more fine and balanced control over a vehicle. Both arms and hands are balanced. Matters a whole bunch when you are going 100 mph+
With light weight wheels on a lightweight car.
Pay more attention in school and spend less time criticizing others. He is also taking great lines through those turns.
This driver would smoke you in a street race because your seat is leaned back and you have one arm on the steering wheel.
@@Jeppelelle arms are heavier when held higher genius . 🤡
@J O you are talking about regular driving on public roads, obvious to shift hand position there when taking sharp corners, this is track driving though and your rule does not apply….Also, we explicitly said he moves his hand position even on 90 degree turns and even less so there is no arm crossover so another of your points is moot, nothing of what you said is relevant here. Learn to read before replying
Also, shifting position all the time gives less control, not more as you claim, getting bumpstear or any other issues while shifting position obviously doesnt give you more control and precision….
Its obvious from your post that you have never ever driven on track
I'm assuming you got stuck on the gate and went one over?
NooOOOOoooOOOOo he forced it in 🙄.
@@venp4353 Idk, that sudden pause in neutral looks like it caught.
definitely got stuck on the gate
yea you kinda see him fighting it and them jam it to the left and down into second when he couldnt find 3rd
Yeah that’s what I thought too
I don't see no money shift?
For some reason I read it as “Miata monkey shit”
This is why I will always use the reverse grip for 3-4
My first track day I did it twice on my mazdaspeed Miata, I almost shit Brick bc I had to drive 2 hrs home with it and I knew I would not be able to find another transmission with the same milage. Thank god it’s good though
It's not the transmission that would be the problem...you'll wreck a motor over-revving it.
I've driven a miata engine red hot because the temp gauge and coolant system failed at the same time and after it cooled down and fluid refilled, gauge changed, it worked just fine still. Miata's are underrated tank engines.
The 80 ft lbs of torque won't hurt it
That's a missed shift, not a money shift. A money shift is when serious engine damage occurs as a result of a missed shift
I have done this a few times unfortunately mainly while I was initially learning to drive stick. I have a question for you though, why might a missed shift result in engine damage sometimes and not all the time? As I have had one very severe missed shift and yet all is still fine. Jw.
@@poppachoppa8956 It all comes down to engine design. The Miata's engine is high-revving by nature, and it also has a strong bottom end--it can survive a missed shift or two. Now, let's say you had a non-performance engine with a 6K redline, and you hit 9K on a missed shift---you're probably going to have a couple of connecting rods hanging out of the block
@@justsumguy2u no it does not.
a money shift is final, it is GAME OVER
does'nt matter what engine it is, the term money shift, means you exceeded the engine design, DONE.
You have to spend money to get it running again, hence "money shift"
if the engine still runs, it was a misshift, you caught it in time..
@@starga-fr7qx You're wrong---a missed shift can sometimes cause no damage. And yeah, serious engine damage = a blown-up engine---same thing, different wording
Thanks god that you manage to clutch it fast. BTW holy shit what a nice scenerio to race on
How much money did he make from that shift though?
Is still running good?
Yup! Gotta love the Miatas! Just prepping for the 2019 season now.
@@MJinCP it's like honda civics d16. I money shifted mine to 10krpm (redlines to 7200) I pulled the engine apart to make sure. Nothing was wrong with it at all) and it still drives everyday
Its a miata, of course its ok
Non-interference Miata engines are Gold
Needs a slant 6
@@ziggybarth5026 why?
@@jamesmcdonald1889 because it's a slant 6..
I'm rooting for "Uncle Tony's Garage" check him out
@@ziggybarth5026 putting one in a miata would ruin the cars weight distribution, a v6 would be better. If you want a slant 6 buy an m car
i can physically feel the atmosphere change after the shift lol
OK SO... (ONLY AT THE TRACK-) ALWAYS tie a small parachute to the shift lever and throw it out behind you when you need to shift from 3rd to 4th...never fails. Basically you'll need a convertible, OR an upgraded air condition blower motor (vortech or paxton) OR remove your existing roof of your car to MAKE a real convertible out of your boring hard top. Better than blowing 4th like in this vid👍🏻
Goodwin racing makes a good parachute kit for the NC, highly recommend 👍🏻
@@NootNC add 2 cart bro!!!
whoever handles a steering wheel like that deserves a money shift
Says the guy that cant effort a Car 🤣
@@drpepp. the fact that he cannot afford a car doesnt change the fact that drivers steering handle is bad.
I just don't understand how this happens. I know I'm jinxing myself and I'll find out firsthand.
U shift up and down right, so when u are shifting, say from 2nd-3rd, u are meant to tweak it slightly to the right then up. Sometimes u underestimate the tweak, and shift BACK to 1st instead.
Prevention is better than cure, to prevent this, try not to put urself in high RPM situations where u are at the redline, that gives u enough time to correct the mistake.
The cure is, clutch back in the moment u hear the revs fly up. When in doubt, clutch back in u ll be fine.
Track is beautiful!
How are you using that wheel is wonder😅
He obviously never drove on the wet road
valvotut yöt plz:3
no power steering
@@SKITTL3Z37 that won't affect a thing in that speed.
Brave for uploading this
i felt my wallet falling apart
I mean, you don't need to have your hand tense at all when you shift from third to fourth. the fourth gears is one of the easiest ones to switch to.
How do you mess up a 3rd to 4th shift
What is a Money Shift? I dont understand what happend
its when for example you shift from 4th gear to 2nd gear by an accident, it causes the revolutions to increase substantially and go past the redline of the engine, so at 2nd gear lets say you can only do 8000 rpm max, u money shift into 2nd gear from 4th and you do 11000 rpm instead which will blow your engine a lot of the time or transmission. its called a money shift coz its expensive af to fix, gotta take engine apart and check transmission
This is the microsoft background now... feel old yet?
What car is this and the specs. Wow
It’s a Miata
Read title
Mazda Miata
It’s a Mazda mx-5 which others call it a Miata, it’s a common name good luck finding one cheap though
Miata NB between 1998-2001 and Facelift between 2001-2005 4 cylinders
8500rpm for like half a second really shouldn't have hurt much.
8500rpm for half a second is still 70 full revolutions, enough to damage the engine if something were to fail or if the engine is an interference engine, 70 revolutions railing the valves against the piston will still do a heck of damage lol. He was lucky the engine managed to handle It (and it wasn't an interference engine)
That happens in every single car enthusiast. 2 weeks ago i dod same thing in my dad’s mr2 zzw30. I wanted to put 2nd when accelrating but i ve put on neutral lol
That is why you should always shift from 3rd to 4th with the palm facing away from you (turn your wrist to the left).
Why do I have 5 neutrals?
Utoh...I knew I didnt like Thunderhill West Track.
Love that track!
Bro how do you accidently miss 4th like that, the shift looked good too wtf.
did this in my s2000 once. Was revving hard from 3rd to 4th and I entered 2nd for a split second. Luckily I got out of gear as the revs started to quickly spike. I took it easy the rest of the drive...
Thunderhill west?
Did this in my mx5 as a teen. Didn’t hurt it luckily. There solid little engines….until you add boost on standard engine
Stop being so desperate to get noticed.
@@gavinvalentino6002 what the hell you on about?
Is it a money shift, if you can still drive it? I dont think so
that’s definitely not what that means buddy lmfao
@@niallcorcoran4437 Bro it actually isn’t a true money shift because he didn’t have to bust out the wallet to fix anything.
@@wrandom4932 its called a money shift because generally it isn’t cheap to mis-shift... its just called that even when nothing grenades because you immediately know what a money shift is, otherwise you wouldn’t be here... right?
I money shifted my NB1 miata before. It handled it surprisingly still gave me anxiety lol
That poor little thing took it like a beast
lol its a miata they can take it n keep going, heck i accidentally over boosted mine with stock internals and hit 28psi bent a rod in 2 diff directions and still drove it a week b4 i pulled it and forged it lol ... miata engine is actually quite reliable and i speak from experience as i have put mine threw hell and 3 turbos have blown in this build so far from overspinning churbo lol but once it was forged n standalone the engine has outlasted every other driveline component ....... n btw ya got some pretty darn good driving skills my brotha and that looked like a great track for miata... peace n love fa keep it rad stay safe n build on l8z
No one cares, and your "lol"s make you sound like a 6th-grader in 2007.
Just be quiet.
Certified miat moment
I'm smooth brained, what happened?
He didn't break it! 👏👏👏👏👏👏
Lucky that thing revs to the moon.
That tach dipped something serious!!
How to turn your MX-5 into RX-8
How tf do you money shift 3->4?
Usually people put their hands straight atop the shifter, but mid shift the hand leans to the side a bit, hence shifting into 2nd instead, CHA CHING! There's ur money
What a champ. Money shifts, over revs the motor to about 8300rpms, corrects the problem, and keeps his foot on the loud pedal like nothing's wrong.
The way u move your hands when you turn is going to cause you to crash if you ever have to make a correction
Dude handled it well
plese hold the steering wheel in one spot and dont feed the wheel as much as you do. i don't know how you manage to make quick adjustments like that but just watching it is giving me anxiety
going in higher speed it’s pointless to be shifting fast? just asking. just row carefully
not at all? shifting fast means your shifting faster lol. therefore catching gears faster and gaining speed / acceleration. when you do drags you need to be Godspeed with it, you cannot be going slow
@@sym6oI An amateur track day in your street car isn't prepped drag racing, you dolt. The only time you ever really need to be kind of fast when shifting on a road course is when you're at the top of 4th and coming into a 2nd gear turn and need to heel-toe through the gear box. At no time in road racing is fast shifting ever a necessity.
@@koopatroopa187 so your telling me slamming my is300 gears compared to taking my sweet ass time I won’t be losing no speed😭u a goofball
@@sym6oI What transmission is in your IS300? And losing speed where? That fact that you need this concept explained to you isn't working in your favor. It's quite clear you don't know what you're talking about.
@@koopatroopa187 im talking about the time you take to shift the car.. not shifting early with your gears or anything. Also not sure got it rebuilt by my pops over a year ago it was a auto conversation to stick because the tranny was over with. They said it was cheaper to do that
People really don't understand what money shift means. This was a miss shift. You didn't break anything that cost you money.
God, I can smell the clutch from here 😂
No you can’t that didn’t do anything to the clutch
Is the 'money shift' something isolated to LHD cars? You're applying a little too much pressure towards you as you pull the shifter back into a lower gear. In a RHD car you only risk pulling the shifter into a higher gear as opposed to a lower one. I can't imagine someone putting too much pressure away from them and making this mistake.
It's not a money shift if th engine is still running afterwards.
I’m glad there was no damage!!
no one :
youtube at 3am : you wanna see a grown man die inside?
That's nothing compared to your average Civic money shift.
They pretty much just blow up, and send you into the wall.
i like how youre wearing a helmet but have no hard top or roll cage.
I think he’s shuffling the wheel cuz his hands would hit his knee if he didn’t.
that clutch disc couldn't have enjoyed that much
I cant moneyshift my Matrix XRS because my worn out trans wont even let me into 1st gear unless im at like 5mph haha.
This is why I slowly shift to 3rd when going to redline
what is thius backrooms microsoft looking track
i made the same mistake in my mazda 2 and transmission was ok but my friend in his opel corsa did this and broke the transmission
Is that steering wheel hot? Never mind shifting
I knew before I even saw it how he would be gripping the stick.
i money shifted the same way once key is to flick into 4th
That is not a money shift.. your engine still ran after that.
this guy is driving in the windows wallpaper background
It's always people who be doin that most that end up in these situations. Lmao
Never understood how that can happen
That 6th gear can be tricky!
All your engine parts are where they are supposed to be not a money shift
I thought I was the only idiot who missed fourth and went into second instead.
He found the secret gear
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