The value in that paper is yes - that species of peppermint shrimp and 6-line wrasses do consume AEFW, that does not imply that you can throw a single fish in a 180 gallon tank and it will eliminate thousands of AEFW. The conversation about peppermint shrimp species is an interesting one - I've been reefing for about 10 years and have solely been able to control Aiptasia with the peppermint shrimp we get here in Florida. I must admit I've had some that don't seem to do anything and others that make Aiptasia disappear. I now wonder if success is based on increasing the shrimps activity level by adding a couple at a time, making more active at night(fighting for territory or seeking a mate, etc), which in turn makes it more likely to find Aiptasia. A single individual definitely seems to camp in one spot.
I had a copperband butterfly, just about 1.5 inches that was brand new to my tank. He was on a hunger strike when introduced, for 7 days and I tried every food made. One day, I saw him cruise over to one of my Maricultured Acropora, that happens to have a few Spionid boring worms, and eat about 4 of the 5 Spionid worms! I was in love! However, my yellow Scopas Tang would not stop bullying him and I had to remove. Back to the topic, I have mainly Maricultured Acropora colonies in my tank and every single one of these came in infested with AEFW. I have never had any issues in the tank with AEFW. I dip in CoralRx for 5 min, then Revive for 5 or 10 min, then rinse and immediately dip for 15 minutes in Lugol's Iodine. That seems to do the trick as I have no AEFW. The only livestock I have that would eat them is a Yellow and purple wrasse.
So a shop a work for in Michigan, we have acro-eating flatworms, though not too many. I do find them from time to time. My little tidbit I wanted to share, I found one eating a stomatella snail! I caught the stomatella, because I want more in my tanks and my boss doesn't like them. In the specimen container, what I thought was one organism split into two. It was an acro-eating flatworm eating a stomatella tail first! The snail had a huge chunk missing where the flatworm was attached. Hope this gets read by somebody, thanks!
Such a great idea to bring together the scientific and hobbyist communities. Thank you Than! Now I need to go order some new acro frags from Tidal Gardens!
I agree with so_so_reef, Sounds like a good SPS QT system. First a dip then a few days in peppermint shrimp tank then a few days in a wrasse tank for all new Acro additions. 🎉
Something that you could do mimicking directly this study is to put peppermints/wrasse in your QT, or hospital tank, and not feed the shrimp/fish during treatment. Biological control might be more effective than human removal.
Me and my brother Inlaw have been trading corals for years….. torch’s, leathers, hammers you name it. Only thing is I have flatworms and have had them for years. Constantly doing Flat worm Exit, 2-3 times in a row days apart trying to kill the newly hatched eggs. Still can’t beat them, and for some reason my brother Inlaw has never seen one. Got me thinking what does he have in his tank that I don’t. 6 line wrasse. Iv never owned one and he has always had one in his tank. After watching this I’m convinced, I definitely need to try a 6 line.
My 6 line jumped. I had a net cover too, it literally jumped out of a 3% of the tank that wasn't covered. found him dead on top of my cover crispy under the lights.
We need a true solution to this problem. Someone will have to develop an in tank treatment that actually works. Just adding some fish is not the answer. The industry needs to step up and put money forward to develop a drug that will wipe them out. These things are literally destroying the hobby.
@jdamommio for those that keep sps they destroy the hobby. Years of reefing knowledge and skill to get to the pinnacle of reefing only to have it destroyed by these things.
@jdamommio I had a wall to wall sps tank and I had to sit and watch these things pick off most of the acropora. Nothing i tried did anything, the products they sell to help are Nothing but snake oil. Wrasse did nothing to help. In the end the only way was to rip off all the acropora. They are a real problem in tanks hobby. Just one of many real issues that nobody is doing anything about. The hobby is a mine field and a very stupid hobby when you really think about it.
There is a follow up paper that was brought to our attention that looks at chemicals. We will cover that one as well. ☺️ I think the specific type of peppermint shrimp used in the study may be worthwhile looking at as well.
@@jdamommio A waste of time. Qt'ing every coral and every fish before they go into your display is just too much to ask. To be safe in this Hobby you would need to qt every fish for 12 weeks and every single bit of coral and invert. Its madness, the industry must step up and provide healthy livestock. That is why I am starting to see this as a stupid minefield of a hobby.
Time to check the receipts on biological control of AEFW!
Super fun coming up to do this! Thanks for having me and letting me be all nerdy than!!
It was wonderful having you over for the extended weekend.
This is a phenomenal idea for a series, bringing the science back to the hobby.
I am so glad Brandi enjoys reading scientific journals
Glad you like it!! I’m excited to be able to talk about some nerdy things.
OMG I love this series. Please keep them coming!
Thank you!!! I’ll try to convince than!
BRANDI
More to come! We shot 4 of these on Brandi's last visit here.
Lol. That made me smile! Glad you liked it! Hope we can do a lot more of these! 💚☺️
Really like this series Brandi and Than! Thanks so much for the literature review.
Our pleasure!
The value in that paper is yes - that species of peppermint shrimp and 6-line wrasses do consume AEFW, that does not imply that you can throw a single fish in a 180 gallon tank and it will eliminate thousands of AEFW. The conversation about peppermint shrimp species is an interesting one - I've been reefing for about 10 years and have solely been able to control Aiptasia with the peppermint shrimp we get here in Florida. I must admit I've had some that don't seem to do anything and others that make Aiptasia disappear. I now wonder if success is based on increasing the shrimps activity level by adding a couple at a time, making more active at night(fighting for territory or seeking a mate, etc), which in turn makes it more likely to find Aiptasia. A single individual definitely seems to camp in one spot.
WOW. I love this video. One of the most helpful videos I've seen on youtube.
Glad it was helpful!
Awesome information. Thanks for sharing
Thanks Paul!!
fantastic information thank you both for doing this 🙃can't wait for more videos 😊
More to come! We were able to shoot a total of 4 videos during Brandi's visit.
Thanks lady!!! You’re the best! 💚💚
I had a copperband butterfly, just about 1.5 inches that was brand new to my tank. He was on a hunger strike when introduced, for 7 days and I tried every food made. One day, I saw him cruise over to one of my Maricultured Acropora, that happens to have a few Spionid boring worms, and eat about 4 of the 5 Spionid worms! I was in love! However, my yellow Scopas Tang would not stop bullying him and I had to remove.
Back to the topic, I have mainly Maricultured Acropora colonies in my tank and every single one of these came in infested with AEFW. I have never had any issues in the tank with AEFW. I dip in CoralRx for 5 min, then Revive for 5 or 10 min, then rinse and immediately dip for 15 minutes in Lugol's Iodine. That seems to do the trick as I have no AEFW. The only livestock I have that would eat them is a Yellow and purple wrasse.
Thank you both
Of course! 😋
Thank you for bringing real data for the hobby. Also, kudos for the authors.
awesome video I needed this a month ago 😭 but will apply this knowledge for the future
Great episode. Very interesting. Hope to see more like this. 👍🏻 🙌🏼👏🏻✌🏻
We will!
So a shop a work for in Michigan, we have acro-eating flatworms, though not too many. I do find them from time to time. My little tidbit I wanted to share, I found one eating a stomatella snail! I caught the stomatella, because I want more in my tanks and my boss doesn't like them. In the specimen container, what I thought was one organism split into two. It was an acro-eating flatworm eating a stomatella tail first! The snail had a huge chunk missing where the flatworm was attached. Hope this gets read by somebody, thanks!
Poor guy!!!
Such a great idea to bring together the scientific and hobbyist communities. Thank you Than! Now I need to go order some new acro frags from Tidal Gardens!
Please do!
I agree with so_so_reef,
Sounds like a good SPS QT system.
First a dip then a few days in peppermint shrimp tank then a few days in a wrasse tank for all new Acro additions.
🎉
Andrew Sandler is seeing some good results in his replication. I wonder if anyone breeds that type of shrimp in the us.
Great video and great content, Brandi and Than!
Thanks so much Matt!
Wonderful video, thank you for this guys!
Glad you enjoyed it Shoomie
Thank you shoomie!!! ☺️☺️
Great information!
Thanks for watching!
6 line Wrasses are definitely my go to for every tank of mine. Peppermint shrimp tend to just disappear.
Unless you’re sixline sucks!
Both of you are really really awesome by the way...
Love the bow tie!
Thank you! I have a collection going
Great video, thank you for this!!!
Hey Guys, really like the video, cool to share this sort of data!!!! Receipts!!!!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Something that you could do mimicking directly this study is to put peppermints/wrasse in your QT, or hospital tank, and not feed the shrimp/fish during treatment. Biological control might be more effective than human removal.
Agreed! I’m a lazy reefer. If an organism will do it for me, then I’m on board. 🤣
Oooo I would love to see more literature reviews!
More to come! We were able to shoot a total of 4 videos during Brandi's visit.
Sweet!!! Looking forward to doing more! ☺️💚
My 6 line wrasse is always searching every little nook
Very interesting 👏
Good stuff
Appreciate it
Me and my brother Inlaw have been trading corals for years….. torch’s, leathers, hammers you name it. Only thing is I have flatworms and have had them for years. Constantly doing Flat worm Exit, 2-3 times in a row days apart trying to kill the newly hatched eggs. Still can’t beat them, and for some reason my brother Inlaw has never seen one. Got me thinking what does he have in his tank that I don’t. 6 line wrasse. Iv never owned one and he has always had one in his tank. After watching this I’m convinced, I definitely need to try a 6 line.
My 6 line jumped. I had a net cover too, it literally jumped out of a 3% of the tank that wasn't covered. found him dead on top of my cover crispy under the lights.
Bummer. Ours like to get into the overflow box and eventually down into the sump
Hummmmm I need to start watching all this videos asap
I disagree, six lines do jump Ive lost two until I put a screen on the tanks
I found these flat worm critters eating my brittle stars from the inside 😢
That's a polyclad flatworm on the thumbnail.
We need a true solution to this problem. Someone will have to develop an in tank treatment that actually works. Just adding some fish is not the answer. The industry needs to step up and put money forward to develop a drug that will wipe them out. These things are literally destroying the hobby.
@jdamommio for those that keep sps they destroy the hobby. Years of reefing knowledge and skill to get to the pinnacle of reefing only to have it destroyed by these things.
@jdamommio OK you just want to argue 🙄.
@jdamommio I had a wall to wall sps tank and I had to sit and watch these things pick off most of the acropora. Nothing i tried did anything, the products they sell to help are Nothing but snake oil. Wrasse did nothing to help. In the end the only way was to rip off all the acropora. They are a real problem in tanks hobby. Just one of many real issues that nobody is doing anything about. The hobby is a mine field and a very stupid hobby when you really think about it.
There is a follow up paper that was brought to our attention that looks at chemicals. We will cover that one as well. ☺️ I think the specific type of peppermint shrimp used in the study may be worthwhile looking at as well.
@@jdamommio A waste of time. Qt'ing every coral and every fish before they go into your display is just too much to ask. To be safe in this Hobby you would need to qt every fish for 12 weeks and every single bit of coral and invert. Its madness, the industry must step up and provide healthy livestock. That is why I am starting to see this as a stupid minefield of a hobby.
She is so pretty