I remember back then when I want to bought a laptop, an AMD sales man told me that A9 was comparable with i3-i5 haswell and A10 was comparable to i5-i7 haswell but to much cheaper price. Fortunately I didn't buy it and bought a second hand i5-2450M+ GT 525M instead. Not long after that, my friends bought A9 and A10 5xxx+R5 M240 crossfire laptop. And yeah, none of them could beat my laptop in anything besides iGPU performance. But even with more powerful iGPU, it bottlenecked by the CPU.
FX laptops were even worse, i had one paired with a 4GB RX 560, back then was wondering really hard why the hell this thing runs worse than my buddy's i7 6500U + GTX 950m
I once had the Athlon II X4 750k and it was amazing. Overclocked properly, it would match the i5-3570, which was triple in price. I managed to stable OC it to 4.6Ghz on a cheap £20 air cooler, and temps were not even high. It was in one of my machines for 3 years.
I have the A12 9800 as well. And one thing i can say is; that 65w TDP number was BS. It was more like a 105-125w TDP in terms of cooling and it was still a challenge to keep the temps acceptable.
It's the famed Clustered Multithreading so it's something inbetween a full 4 core cpu and a 2 core 4 thread cpu while the comparisons have at least 4 core 8 threads.
The only purpose of this generation was to have some entry level APUs in the lineup until they brought the Zen+Vega APUs with the Ryzen 2x00G series. I have a laptop with the A12 9720p APU which is a lower clock version of the A12 9800. It's barely fine for daily use.
From memory the Graphics portion outperformed the 2000 and 3000 series APU's. I often wondered why AMD bothered to bring the last Gen CPU to AM4. I can only assume it was supply issues or old inventory they repackaged to get rid of it. Only other theory might have been a very budget option for certain markets or something the OEM asked for before shifting to Ryzen the following year upgrade cycle
It was becouse am4 motherboards where released before am4 ryzen processors. So that mobo manufacturers dont loose all money they put those out. Lil bit later ryzen 1 was released. Mobo manufacturers went out too early.
I tried to play games with this CPU back when I first got into building PCs. Every game I played though had really bad stuttering problems, frametime issues and assets not loading in correctly even at 1080p (and it was paired with 16GB of RAM, an SSD [not HDD] and a Sapphire Nitro R7 370 4GB GPU running overclocked.) Those problems came from games such as Warframe (which isn't hard to run at all) Paladins, Tomb Raider (2013) Battlefield 1 and a couple other esports titles. It wasn't a terrible CPU for what it could do for a grandma style PC but for anything else it was impractical.
I didn't have any problem with my amd a12 9800 with gtx 1050 2gb 8gb ram i could play gta 5 1080p at very high settings without lag 50fps around that and warzone 1080 lowest settings 40fps for me was not that bad
@@AlexAlex-bh8fi the performance of this apu is all over the place. I run it on the r7 igpu and something like gta v has occasionally stutters and hardly hits 40 fps on all normal. However it has no problem running crew 2 and forza Motorsport 7 out of all games. Both run without lags and are very much playable while being way more demanding than gta v.
I just bought this APU yesterday In a jiffy so now here I am watching how bad it is after purchasing, but its not bad for a given scenario. I bought a whole desktop system for like 50 usd, and the intel alternative at the same price were merely the i5 3rd/4th gen. Now I wanted to game without a gpu for a long while so this cpu was the definitive choice as the radeon graphics can blow intel hd out of water for another 3-4 gens . I was amazed by the igpu performance, never have seen such on a intel hd.
I'm an owner of 2016's a10 7860k (Godarvi) with a GT1030. 16 gigs of ddr3 2133. (my old media center pc) i actually upgrade from an AMD Kabini quad core 5150 (2.0ghz) It got the job done until it didn't. Loading or exiting programs took a long time. I overclocked the FSB to 2000 and overclocked the CPU to 4.2ghz. (Ironically got the highest Legendary ranking on 3DMark) It stills works ok, But ultimately had to upgrade again to a X470-i/Ryzen 5 5600. I think the a12 9800 is a rebrand of the A10 7800 series? Wonder if any changes were made? Thanks Nexus Tech for the review.
all the A-9000 series is Stoney Ridge 1 module 2 core low clocks. they really shouldnt have been released at all. Jaguar CPUs were much better for low end devices.
This microarchitecture vaguely reminds me of the P5-era Cyrix (and AMD) CPUs where they also tried to save silicon and shared execution units (and cheaped out on FPUs which was a fatally wrong bet). There are way more differences than similarities, but the play itself is similar.
I had the FM2 socket with an A8 5600k that I could OC to 4.1Ghz on a crappy stock air cooler... used to just let it run in the 80 to 90 degree range and thrashed it as hard as possible to try and keep up with my GTX 760 OC 2GB
AMD's cpu lineup between 2015 and 2017 was a desperate mess. Unwilling/unable to update the FX-8000 series to the newer steamroller or excavator cores they just made these anemic quads with graphics (Kabini, Kaveri, Godavari, Carrizo, Bristol Ridge, Stoney Ridge) I wish they had made one last 8core excavator part on 14nm node before construction core arch retired. 14nm would have given it better clock ceiling and thermals at least, might have approached 5Ghz like the best Vishera parts oh well
Is that really the best of the first ever am4 cpus? What about fx was fx faster or worse than this makes no sense how amd got a huge uplift in am4 with ryzen
FX processors were much faster, but had no iGPU. The iGPU component of the old Radeon R7 was weak and power hungry and precious resources had to be devoted to it, hence FX being faster. First generation Ryzen had a >40% IPC improvement over the previous AMD architecture, that is why it was such a game changer for AMD and even at that it took another two generations for AMD to finally match Intel. I hope Nexus tech tests the 2400g so you can see just how large an evolution Ryzen APU's were.
Your cinebench results are the same as mine with A8 7650K 16GB DDR3 1600mhz overclocked to 4Ghz not 4.2 cause instability and overheating can be an issue lol How ?
@@nexus_tech Yeah I checked and it's very close specs-whise, I would get slightly lower results but finding an A10 would decrease the gap immensely. But... meh it's not worth it, a Ryzen APU is more like it
Not sure what's worse: the Bulldozer / Excavator series of CPUs, or the Pentium 4. Sure it beats the Pentium 4, but it's also 15+ years newer :O I have a hand-me-down laptop powered by the A10-5750M, and it struggles with an ancient title like NeverWinter Nights.
Its unfortunate you didn't include the gaming results for the intel cpu graphics systems you tested. All but the latest generations would have been laughable compared to this apu.
Well - I have the A10-9700 here for AM4. It was even struggling to "play" Windows. It felt worse than my 2010 Phenom II X4 965. But whatever. Keeping it for nostalgic reasons.
I have a amd cpu a12 8870 and idk what wrong on him i replace paste many times and all time temp go over 85° C in low task and he made a strange weird sound, so i fix it my reduce his power to 90% from windows power plan and now its stay on 3,5ghz and temp are good , but idk if cpu broken or wtf cuz i was put in same pc an a8 9600 and all was good so i was try other thing i was put a12 8870 in the other pc with a8 9600 and same problem .
The first CPU/APU on the AM4 platform, sold to OEM initially, and you can't even use it on the latest X570/B550 or even A520 board! 7th generation of AM4 support false AF!
I had an HP Elitedesk which came with a AMD PRO A10-9700E and it was terrible just doing general desktop tasks, It was sooooo slow and that was with a very fast NVME drive.
A Series APU where only good 1 Time and useable another. The first Time at Release on FM1 but only when you maxed out the DDR speed in Dualchannel for the GPU Unit and slapped an and Radeon 6670 with GDDR5 on it to run it Dual Graphics and matched an 7750 and sometimes the 7770 and the second time where it was useable in Notebooks the 7000 Series that gained much enough IPC and more important also because of Dual Graphics with the new R Series based GPU part where you could play again on Dirt Cheap entry level Notebooks and sink every intel Notebook without dedicated Graphics wich forced intel to the Xe and Iris Architecture. Anything else was not worth the money. Special the 9000 Series the Cores where roughly the same at release with Generational IPC uplift in single digits. and the GPU part the same as the 7000 Series back years ago Even the cheapest 1. Gen Ryzen could sink it. And even when they where something relevant they needed Dual Graphics otherwise everything after the 3870k was Garbage
At least its not Socket Am1 .. i had a 5350 for a while i passed it on to a computerless co worker it plays world of tanks and is very power efficient but good lord its not gonna do 1080p and it s not gonna be anything more then lowest settings across the board.. even with 8gb of Good mushkin ram and a hd6850 2gb model. the 5350's absolutely crippled X4 pcie lanes is just painful. cant even increase a clock speed any where 0 over clocking msi am1 matx board..
but it has a home untill i some how organize a meeting with the guy to get his case over to my place so i could atleast jump him up to a phenom even a 9650 using ddr2 is still x2 the performance of the athlon 5350 atleast it gets dual channel ddr2 and all of its x16 pcie lanes. and clock speeds nearly double off the 9650.. and its Gen 1 phenom.. am1 platform remains a head scratcher as to just why..perhaps theres atm machines out there with 5350s in em or something.
tax the pay tax the purchase tax the gas tax the roads tax property you dont own but have to pay taxes on so a billionaire doesnt pay its taxes.. tax tax tax tax.... frickin hate liberals.
The worst offender was probably the A9 APU on laptops. Slow and hot dual core, sold as something new on the market
@silviobalasko so true!
I remember back then when I want to bought a laptop, an AMD sales man told me that A9 was comparable with i3-i5 haswell and A10 was comparable to i5-i7 haswell but to much cheaper price. Fortunately I didn't buy it and bought a second hand i5-2450M+ GT 525M instead. Not long after that, my friends bought A9 and A10 5xxx+R5 M240 crossfire laptop. And yeah, none of them could beat my laptop in anything besides iGPU performance. But even with more powerful iGPU, it bottlenecked by the CPU.
FX laptops were even worse, i had one paired with a 4GB RX 560, back then was wondering really hard why the hell this thing runs worse than my buddy's i7 6500U + GTX 950m
Former owner of a A8-6410 here. Yup, they weren't great.
@@diegoleiva7242 me too, along with an R5 M240 GPU. I thought it was capable of running Battlefield 3, but it was like 20 fps for the most part.
I once had the Athlon II X4 750k and it was amazing. Overclocked properly, it would match the i5-3570, which was triple in price.
I managed to stable OC it to 4.6Ghz on a cheap £20 air cooler, and temps were not even high. It was in one of my machines for 3 years.
I have the A12 9800 as well. And one thing i can say is; that 65w TDP number was BS. It was more like a 105-125w TDP in terms of cooling and it was still a challenge to keep the temps acceptable.
@@HaelstormGaming Accept it.
It's the famed Clustered Multithreading so it's something inbetween a full 4 core cpu and a 2 core 4 thread cpu while the comparisons have at least 4 core 8 threads.
The only purpose of this generation was to have some entry level APUs in the lineup until they brought the Zen+Vega APUs with the Ryzen 2x00G series.
I have a laptop with the A12 9720p APU which is a lower clock version of the A12 9800. It's barely fine for daily use.
From memory the Graphics portion outperformed the 2000 and 3000 series APU's.
I often wondered why AMD bothered to bring the last Gen CPU to AM4. I can only assume it was supply issues or old inventory they repackaged to get rid of it. Only other theory might have been a very budget option for certain markets or something the OEM asked for before shifting to Ryzen the following year upgrade cycle
It was becouse am4 motherboards where released before am4 ryzen processors. So that mobo manufacturers dont loose all money they put those out. Lil bit later ryzen 1 was released. Mobo manufacturers went out too early.
I tried to play games with this CPU back when I first got into building PCs. Every game I played though had really bad stuttering problems, frametime issues and assets not loading in correctly even at 1080p (and it was paired with 16GB of RAM, an SSD [not HDD] and a Sapphire Nitro R7 370 4GB GPU running overclocked.) Those problems came from games such as Warframe (which isn't hard to run at all) Paladins, Tomb Raider (2013) Battlefield 1 and a couple other esports titles. It wasn't a terrible CPU for what it could do for a grandma style PC but for anything else it was impractical.
I didn't have any problem with my amd a12 9800 with gtx 1050 2gb 8gb ram i could play gta 5 1080p at very high settings without lag 50fps around that and warzone 1080 lowest settings 40fps for me was not that bad
@@AlexAlex-bh8fi the performance of this apu is all over the place. I run it on the r7 igpu and something like gta v has occasionally stutters and hardly hits 40 fps on all normal. However it has no problem running crew 2 and forza Motorsport 7 out of all games. Both run without lags and are very much playable while being way more demanding than gta v.
I just bought this APU yesterday In a jiffy so now here I am watching how bad it is after purchasing, but its not bad for a given scenario. I bought a whole desktop system for like 50 usd, and the intel alternative at the same price were merely the i5 3rd/4th gen. Now I wanted to game without a gpu for a long while so this cpu was the definitive choice as the radeon graphics can blow intel hd out of water for another 3-4 gens . I was amazed by the igpu performance, never have seen such on a intel hd.
I'm an owner of 2016's a10 7860k (Godarvi) with a GT1030. 16 gigs of ddr3 2133. (my old media center pc) i actually upgrade from an AMD Kabini quad core 5150 (2.0ghz) It got the job done until it didn't. Loading or exiting programs took a long time. I overclocked the FSB to 2000 and overclocked the CPU to 4.2ghz. (Ironically got the highest Legendary ranking on 3DMark) It stills works ok, But ultimately had to upgrade again to a X470-i/Ryzen 5 5600. I think the a12 9800 is a rebrand of the A10 7800 series? Wonder if any changes were made? Thanks Nexus Tech for the review.
You must add AMD FX 8350, AMD Phenom II X6 1090T and Core i5 4th Gen to your CPU Comparison Chart
It would have been interesting if you tested with an AMD GPU, to see if that driver overhead would have helped the A12.
The A6 9500 is a fun world of pain 😅
all the A-9000 series is Stoney Ridge 1 module 2 core low clocks. they really shouldnt have been released at all. Jaguar CPUs were much better for low end devices.
Never used a bulldozer CPU before but I could imagine how bad it'll perform in your video
When is the second gen intel video coming out?
Been waiting for it ;)
It's done 🙂 Testing is complete, video should be out in few weeks' time
Almost a decade now and our famliy pc here still uses the 2014 AMD A8-7600 "Kaveri" APU ❤👍
A10-7870k here. Only going to upgrade when WIN 10 is no longer supported.
@@TheBlindingwhite same , going to keep it up until 2025
FM2/FM2+ cpus are up for review??
I had this cpu with gtx 1050 2gb and 8gb ram and i played gta 5 at very high settings without lag and warzone lowest settings 1080p 40fps
This microarchitecture vaguely reminds me of the P5-era Cyrix (and AMD) CPUs where they also tried to save silicon and shared execution units (and cheaped out on FPUs which was a fatally wrong bet). There are way more differences than similarities, but the play itself is similar.
I had the FM2 socket with an A8 5600k that I could OC to 4.1Ghz on a crappy stock air cooler... used to just let it run in the 80 to 90 degree range and thrashed it as hard as possible to try and keep up with my GTX 760 OC 2GB
Everybody forgot Heterogeneus architecture, zero copy ram. That was some benefits of that architecture.
Picked up a whole system with a12 9800, 16gb ram and 500gb ssd for $21. Seemed like a good deal to me.
AMD's cpu lineup between 2015 and 2017 was a desperate mess. Unwilling/unable to update the FX-8000 series to the newer steamroller or excavator cores they just made these anemic quads with graphics (Kabini, Kaveri, Godavari, Carrizo, Bristol Ridge, Stoney Ridge)
I wish they had made one last 8core excavator part on 14nm node before construction core arch retired. 14nm would have given it better clock ceiling and thermals at least, might have approached 5Ghz like the best Vishera parts
oh well
Is that really the best of the first ever am4 cpus? What about fx was fx faster or worse than this makes no sense how amd got a huge uplift in am4 with ryzen
FX processors were much faster, but had no iGPU. The iGPU component of the old Radeon R7 was weak and power hungry and precious resources had to be devoted to it, hence FX being faster.
First generation Ryzen had a >40% IPC improvement over the previous AMD architecture, that is why it was such a game changer for AMD and even at that it took another two generations for AMD to finally match Intel.
I hope Nexus tech tests the 2400g so you can see just how large an evolution Ryzen APU's were.
@Simi69 I am glad I didn't invest for retro gaming pc on a 9800 I went with a fx 6350
FX was AM3+, not AM4.
Your cinebench results are the same as mine with A8 7650K 16GB DDR3 1600mhz overclocked to 4Ghz not 4.2 cause instability and overheating can be an issue lol
How ?
Hello mate! Looks as they are very similar in spec
@@nexus_tech Yeah I checked and it's very close specs-whise, I would get slightly lower results but finding an A10 would decrease the gap immensely.
But... meh it's not worth it, a Ryzen APU is more like it
I think the processor's base and boost frequencies were erroneously swapped.
Correct - those are swapped!
For me the stars of the APUs were always the mid tier 6600-7600-9600. Not much lower performance but a lot cheaper.
pls make a gaming review video of amd a12 9800 with built in gpu
Not sure what's worse: the Bulldozer / Excavator series of CPUs, or the Pentium 4. Sure it beats the Pentium 4, but it's also 15+ years newer :O
I have a hand-me-down laptop powered by the A10-5750M, and it struggles with an ancient title like NeverWinter Nights.
i own a ryzen 2200g with 16 gb ram and is more than fine for me for gaming picture editing, videos.
How would this do for a game like rise and fall civilization
The best of the worst was its laptop APU A12-9700P. It was equivalent to a 4th gen i3 mobile processor with slightly better graphics.
probably should have tried with an amd gpu to reduce cpu driver overhead
this is still better than 10 generations of intel igpus
i just buy that and i see the tact is only 3,9 and no go up i dont know why :)
Its unfortunate you didn't include the gaming results for the intel cpu graphics systems you tested. All but the latest generations would have been laughable compared to this apu.
Yes the igpu in this is miles ahead in comparison to intel Hd
Well - I have the A10-9700 here for AM4. It was even struggling to "play" Windows. It felt worse than my 2010 Phenom II X4 965. But whatever. Keeping it for nostalgic reasons.
I have a amd cpu a12 8870 and idk what wrong on him i replace paste many times and all time temp go over 85° C in low task and he made a strange weird sound, so i fix it my reduce his power to 90% from windows power plan and now its stay on 3,5ghz and temp are good , but idk if cpu broken or wtf cuz i was put in same pc an a8 9600 and all was good so i was try other thing i was put a12 8870 in the other pc with a8 9600 and same problem .
A8-3670 still working~~~~~
The first CPU/APU on the AM4 platform, sold to OEM initially, and you can't even use it on the latest X570/B550 or even A520 board! 7th generation of AM4 support false AF!
I had a laptop with an A CPU back in 2018, i feel it was A9 maybe..
Man, it was SLOW, a Core2Due from a 2009 laptop i had was faster
no IGP test ? this is APU btw
Hello mate
6:04 R7 GPU Test
6:05 S.T.A.L.K.E.R Shadow of Chernobyl
6:42 Half Life 2
6:56 GTA 5
Ur numbers make no sense it has.a.max turbo.of 3.8 but a.bas frequency of 4.2??? Whaaaaaaa??????
Correct - I've swapped them around :)
But on those units the ram speed made a HUGE difference. It was AMD magic. It was scalable
I had an HP Elitedesk which came with a AMD PRO A10-9700E and it was terrible just doing general desktop tasks, It was sooooo slow and that was with a very fast NVME drive.
Now AMD Is crushing Intel with theyr RYZEN Cpu's, Ryzing the sales
A Series APU where only good 1 Time and useable another. The first Time at Release on FM1 but only when you maxed out the DDR speed in Dualchannel for the GPU Unit and slapped an and Radeon 6670 with GDDR5 on it to run it Dual Graphics and matched an 7750 and sometimes the 7770 and the second time where it was useable in Notebooks the 7000 Series that gained much enough IPC and more important also because of Dual Graphics with the new R Series based GPU part where you could play again on Dirt Cheap entry level Notebooks and sink every intel Notebook without dedicated Graphics wich forced intel to the Xe and Iris Architecture. Anything else was not worth the money. Special the 9000 Series the Cores where roughly the same at release with Generational IPC uplift in single digits. and the GPU part the same as the 7000 Series back years ago Even the cheapest 1. Gen Ryzen could sink it. And even when they where something relevant they needed Dual Graphics otherwise everything after the 3870k was Garbage
Lol this is pretty terrible. I bet it would be crushed compared to a ryzen apu like 2200g
I have a older brother A8 7650K
this bad proc..not recomend
At least its not Socket Am1 .. i had a 5350 for a while i passed it on to a computerless co worker it plays world of tanks and is very power efficient but good lord its not gonna do 1080p and it s not gonna be anything more then lowest settings across the board.. even with 8gb of Good mushkin ram and a hd6850 2gb model. the 5350's absolutely crippled X4 pcie lanes is just painful. cant even increase a clock speed any where 0 over clocking msi am1 matx board..
but it has a home untill i some how organize a meeting with the guy to get his case over to my place so i could atleast jump him up to a phenom even a 9650 using ddr2 is still x2 the performance of the athlon 5350 atleast it gets dual channel ddr2 and all of its x16 pcie lanes. and clock speeds nearly double off the 9650.. and its Gen 1 phenom.. am1 platform remains a head scratcher as to just why..perhaps theres atm machines out there with 5350s in em or something.
seeing how the world started sucking after 2012 technologically im still stuck there.. in cold corrupt communist canada..
tax the pay tax the purchase tax the gas tax the roads tax property you dont own but have to pay taxes on so a billionaire doesnt pay its taxes.. tax tax tax tax.... frickin hate liberals.