What D&D Alignment is Vergil? (Devil May Cry)
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- Опубліковано 24 чер 2022
- Might controls everything. Part 2 of our look into Devil May Cry continues as we look at Vergil.
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#dnd #devilmaycry #vergil - Фільми й анімація
What's hard to understand about DMC5
The story follows Vergil as he hires Vergil's brother and Vergil's son to defeat Vergil so that Vergil can absorb Vergil and become Vergil
You see very simple
so that Vergil can fight Vergil's brother but that would be interrupted by Vergil's son but after realising that roots of the Vergil's tree would get in the way Vergil and Vergil's brother go to to cut them
@@stubetsgamer8288 Featuring Virgil
@@nestorgamer9746 featuring Vergil from the Devil May Cry Series
@@RagingIfrit Featuring Vergil from The Vergil May Cry Series: Special Edition
joining them is Vergil's brothers friends and Vergil's son's friend
I really like the idea that Virgil was so mentally and physically broken from all of his previous ordeals that when he split himself into two People, they weren’t the pure essence of human and demon versions of him they were instead the Caricatures of what his broken mind perceived of his human and demon half.
I've written a lot of fiction with this type of theme. I love the idea of a character being not exactly they are, but behaving as or becoming who or what they 'believe' they're supposed to be. It's never quite the true self but still they maintain it because for them it's how they think they 'should' be and moving past that projected caricature is the basis of their character development.
@@remigusker6024 so like Kanji from persona 4?
@@remigusker6024 So like Kamijou Touma from A Certain magical Index
Urizen: "how can you be so powerful? YOU NEVER LOST ANYTHING"
Dante: "WE LOST THE EXACT SAME THING!"
The plot of DMC5 really makes you sit there and realize that Vergil is potentially the most important character in the series.
DMC3: He's a main character, and one of the main antagonists.
DMC1: While having no real agency or character as Nelo Angelo, he serves to be one of the largest pieces of motivation for Dante to move forward and defeat Mundus.
DMC2: We ignore this one.
DMC4: We play as Vergil's son in a plot entirely revolving around Yamato, Vergil's sword, and Nero's strange connection to it.
DMC5: Vergil hires Vergil's brother and Vergil's son to defeat Vergil so that Vergil can fuse with Vergil to become Vergil.
Featuring Vergil
@@grantbody7080 I was really hoping someone would come by and finish the reference. You absolute hero.
Wouldn't say most important. His dad and brother have him beat for obvious reasons.
@@XFG_Official Don't forget it includes Vergil in the special edition!
Great analysis. One tiny, friendly disagreement. I'd say V's alignment is chaotic/neutral good, since even if his ultimate ploy was to reunite with Urizen, he seemed to genuinely want to make his mistakes right and repent for all he's done. He speaks of the gravity of the crimes he committed (his talk with Trish) and clearly, his newfound weakness and humanity have shifted his perspective (and alignment) quite a bit.
But doing the alignment for V was never going to be easy, since he's a split aspect of another character and all that, so obviously this is extremely subjective.
I'd argue that as much as V wants to atone for Vergil's actions, he also REALLY doesn't want to die.
*Insert Bury the Light joke here*
Nah, I'm gonna lampshade that idea. ;)
@@agsilverradio2225 Okay, but are you the storm that is approaching?
"You are not worthy opponent "
BURY MY BALLS DEEP WITHIIIIN!!!
@@samuelmachado8330 "Where's your motivation?"
I love the wordplay revolving V and Vergil
When V first hires Dante he says "I am but two days old" and iirc, this was 2 days after Vergil split himself
In that same conversation, V tells Dante that the job he has is "Your Reason (Urizen) for fighting"
Also I am but two days old also referred to Joy from William Blake book
Also, it takes place in Devil May Cry V (5).
Vurizen
that's why Urizen's last name is Forfighting, making his full name Urizen Forfite'ing
I think through V and Urizen Vergil had an alignment change, he saw what his endless pursuit of power got him as Urizen, the same shit he always gets, and empty loss, and as V he recognises that he was a horrible person, the fact that Vergil thanks Nero is something completely honest coming from him and he seems to be a lot more calm than usual, even wanting a true rematch with Dante and contemplating if he would still be the same person if he had been inside the mansion, he accepted a win if he beat Nero (which Dmc 3 Vergil would never accept) and shows some genuine growth here, he got everything he needed but only through Nero did he realise how much he lost through his life, he buried the light deep within himself and cast aside everything, and now is ashamed to confront his demons (his feelings towards his family), I know Dmc is not that deep, but dmc 3 and 5 really try to give you some food for thought
I feel like in general, Vergil is True Neutral with strong Neutral Evil leanings, because in DMC3, he did not give a single fuck about civilian casualties of unearthing Temen-Ni-Gru, unlocking the hellgate and unleashing demons upon the world, he only cared about gaining P O W E R and at the time, DS Sparda was that beacon of P O W E R. V to me screams Chaotic Good, he killed a mugger without a second thought to return stolen item to a lady, who reacted appropriately and ran away and spent the entire month between DMC5 Prologue and Mission 1 trying his best to minimise civilian casualties from Qliphoth. Urizen is just your average Chaotic Evil, singleminded obscession with P O W E R and "Ends justify the means" approach make him one imo
I mean he didnt care in dmc 5 too, netiher as V or Urizen OR Vergil once he was whole again. '' People died? anyway I'll stop more from dying I GUESS if I have too''
I love the little bit of dialogue Nero and Vergil have during their fight, Nero: "You feeling accepting yet?" Vergil: "Of your existence or your strength?" Nero: "Both, you fucking asshole."
I really like Vergil’s characterization in DMC3. It’s interesting to draw a line between him and Arkham.
While Vergil is a callous asshole, he doesn’t seem to be explicitly EVIL. I question whether he could’ve raised, or even found out about, the Temen-ni-gru without Arkham’s influence.
Meanwhile, you have Arkham, who sacrificed his wife and is actively worshipping the concepts of Fear and Evil. The man’s practically salivating over becoming the Devil, and I assume the only reason he had Lady at all was because she and her mother were descendants of the original priestess. Marrying someone and raising a child as essentially occult items is PRETTY evil.
I wonder what Vergil would’ve been like if he had never met Arkham. I like to imagine he might’ve gone on to lead a happier life as a strict, surly librarian in Fortuna.
Late fees are only dismissible if you beat him in combat.
@@DBfan106 "Which book was it you haven't returned yet, ah yes a book of Blake's poetry." *judgement cut end*
He may have ended up being the sole one on that throne in DMC 5 instead of a split between Urizen and V. He was searching for power, not just scholarly studying.
I do wonder what he’ll do now, once he’s out of hell for a time. If he might take up being a scholar, that might be interesting to see (since most characters just keep fighting 😅)
So I took a slightly different interpretation of the scene where V finds Dante unconscious. Based on how callous he is towards Dante up to that point, and the fact that he seemed tempted to kill the unconscious Dante, but then later tells Dante to get stronger when he clearly had the upper hand as Vergil, I think this is a tipping point for V in terms of his world view. He talks about how Dante is responsible for his suffering, and how things would be better if Dante were dead, but misses the stab on the motionless Dante at the last moment. I think this was a moment of V (and to a greater extent, Vergil) realizing that despite all their issues, he doesn't actually want to kill Dante. As such, I'd give V a Chaotic Good for the epiphany, rather than a Neutral Evil for the temptation.
That said, that's just my interpretation. Not trying to imply that yours was wrong; just wanting to share an alternative one.
I just love the fight between father and son at the end of DMC5, where lots of daddy issues burst forth.
Vergil : Do you want me to acknowledge your strength or your existence?
Nero : Both! You fucking asshole!
Qliphoth is pronounced 'Klee-foth' and the word refers to the evil opposite of the heavenly tree Sepherot who's 13 branches represent the concept of GOD. Sepheroth from FF7 is also named after this. So the Qliphoth tree basically means Devil tree.
Didn't DMC 5 insist on 'Kly-fot' though? I'd rather go with story consistency with names and how they're pronounced.
@@Charolette21 Some pronunciation drops the "H" at the end but it comes out the same with the proper accent. He was way off in his though
Wasn't it actually a Latin word for hatred that Sephiroth was named after?
@@uncroppedsoop in this case its the same thing.
Funny enough out of all the playable DMC characters my best ones in order are these: V, Vergil, and Nero(DMC5). There was this one time I just huddled in a corner with perfect view of a group of enemies, spammed my mix up bait combos then got the SSS taunt where he plays classical music. That aside while I love Dante, I love Vergil's fluctuating shift once he starts to notice that going for power is what's not working for him.
18:16 Lost it when he referred to Vergil as Virgin lmao
Ah yes, the storm that is approaching.
Still requesting Meta Knight and King Dedede.
I think another facet that’s worth considering for V specifically is that between the prologue and the actual game proper, he spends almost an entire month trying to save people in Red Grave, while he’s aware that he’s literally falling apart.
Dante complicates things especially when he turns up alive after his defeat by Urizen. Here’s this guy, who managed to beat V’s whole self at every opportunity but when he actually swallows his pride and asks for help, Dante bottles it. Ultimately since there’s no way V could use the Sparda I don’t think Dante was in any real danger, I always interpreted that scene as V just sort of pointlessly raging against the literal personification of every wrong turn in his life before he’s forced to acknowledge that it isn’t all Dante’s fault.
I mean I could literally talk about DMC for hours and never get tired but all this to say, I reckon V would start at true neutral, maybe neutral evil but ultimately he’d be chaotic good, leaning to chaotic neutral
Alignment: Motivated
I enjoyed the two videos. Bravo! Though I think that Vergil should have been restored in the middle, between Urizen's and V's spot on the chart. It would seem a lot more consistent that way, and would add gravity to the last good deed he does in dmc5, moving him back closer to neutral.
The easy way to understand DMCV is that it is actually Vergil May Cry V: Vergil Edition starting Vergil’s brother, Vergil’s son, and Vergil as they head off to take down Vergil with the help of Vergil’s brother’s friends and Vergil’s Son’s friend.
Dude. I just found your channel recently...AND I CAN'T BELIEVE you don't have at least 100 thousand subs yet, the video quality and the sub count just doesn't add up. WIth quality like this, you just really deserve more than from what you're giving right now. Keep up the good work, I would really like to see more characters in these videos, I think it's really interesting, it also helps if you are like me who want to understand the characters better. Also just by watching this one and the Dante one I can see you really dig deep to make sure you get their DnD alignment as close as possible to what they would be. Really cool stuff, once again, good job!
This was so good I love the fact that you covered the sons of Sparta. Great job
Finally have time to watch this. Next i need to watch your Kratos video. Still great video and i love seeing the best character action game rival in your alignment video.
Thunderbolt Fantasy might be an interesting series to do.
There is a simpler way to define Vergil's Alignment:
He wants power, he will do everything that is necessary to do so, be it following the "law" (whatever that would be in the universe), causing chaos, doing good deeds or evil deeds. He wants power, and nothing will standing in his way or is out of the question for him, therefore he is by definition *true neutral*.
I’m very glad you chose to include Urizen (your reason) and V. It’s no secret that Vergil learned a lot from his experiences as both as the first thing he does after reforming (besides fighting Dante of course) is genuinely thank someone and reflect on his life and his choices, something 3 Vergil would never do.
Don't let the suave demeanor and personality fool you, my boy Vergil is straight up Chaotic Evil.
This is very motivating
Currently playing as Vergil in my D&D campaign. Nice timing!
These two alignment checks into the twin brothers of sparda are great! I can't wait to see a video on Nero's alignment soon!
I don't think you mentioned this in the video but in the manga Visions of V it Vergil refers to the book he leaves to Nero as his heart, since this book has been with Vergil since he was a kid and i think this is very wholesome
In DMC5, Vergil contacts Vergil's brother and Vergil's son to help him defeat Vergil so that Vergil can become Vergil. Lawful Chaotic Neutral Evil Good.
Really off the wall request. Sweet JP Alignment (Redline)
I really enjoyed this
thank you :)
DMC 5 a game where Vergil, splits himself into 6 parts, then Vergil hires virgil's brother and Vergil's son to defeat Vergil, and Vergil grows a tree for power, but other Vergil wants him defeated so Vergil can become Vergil again.
Also when vergil.. Ejected V he also ejected 4 nightmares/trumas from himself too, as neither a demon nor a man needs nightmares. and When Urizen and V made back Vergil, non of the Nightmares returned as a Man does not need Nightmares to be whole once more.
Vergil's story in DMC5 is just 1 whole Therapy for him. tho many people perished and suffered, but yeah at least Vergil has a better Mental and Physical Health now right!?
Also Fun fact, Vergil is Technically a GrandFather! since Nero and Kriye adopted 3 children.
Loved this
Yes! First Dante and now this one, I was hoping for this one the most thank you so much for doing those two videos! Also I agree with him starting off as true neutral, which is ironic since he starts off as more good than Dante lol.
Although personally I think some of Vergil’s actions aren’t really that evil though. Such as when he ripped of Nero’s arm, he did it because not only did Yamato belong to him, but he was dying and desperately needed to heal himself. I’d call that neutral. I also think DMC4 would’ve been worth mentioning in this video for a bit. But otherwise great job!
If you want to consider it, I’d also really like to see Shadow The Hedgehog and Raiden from Metal Gear.
Vergil is the Edgy Badass alignment!
Neutral evil makes sense for killing something evil only to gain personal power, given that in D&D alignments evil normally refers to how self serving something is with no intent to help anyone else.
Another awesome entry. Vergil was never a villain in my eyes. He’s not the mustache twirling antagonist trying to rule the world or kill the protagonist. Although most people would see his action of that of a “bad guy” in most fiction. Just a man who was hellbent on his ambition. Not caring how his action affect the world around him. He’s selfish and prideful. Those traits alone almost brought ruin to the world unironically. Which is refreshing to stray away from typical tropes. I hope you do my favorite character Nero, because he’s also an interesting character as well his father and uncle.
A mistake you've made :The familliars are called "Griffin, Shadow and Nightmare", Phantom was already dead
And one more thing :In my point of view, The familliars decided to test Dante himself and was willing to die to end Vergil's Nightmares, im not sure why you never thought that out but really, i hope you didn't get mis-informed or something
Love this. My brother is playing a Vergil in an DnD game.
I think the next video would nice is Lady or Nero.
Vergil in a dnd game? can you tell more about his build?
@@thiagobianki1684
My brother likes to keep his character close to the chest but he's a level 8 Fallen Aasimar who multiclasses in Fighter: Eldridge Knight, Monk and Warlock: death pact. And he's pretty op but not broken.
@@REfan2002 I see, thank you, it looks like its a really cool build, eldrich knight monk is really fun to play around. I actually have a vergil build too, but I like to what other people are doing to play as him, so I can improve my own build.
@@thiagobianki1684
Nice.
Virgil waivers pretty hard between neutral and evil. In 5 he is a straight up a villain he causes every problem that occurs just to become more powerful.
It’s worth noting that Virgil did not send the familiars to battle Dante after reforming. The familiars, who each inherently understood their own condition and v and urizen, chose of their own wills to not join together with them. The familiars are Virgil’s past trauma and they know it and understand that Virgil is better off without them. The Virgil that remains without them is free of the trauma inflicted by Mundus’s year(s?) of unrelenting torture before finally being broken and turned into Nero Angelo
"Tax evasion is Lawful Evil, Vergil!"
"It's Chaotic Good!"
wait...did I actually say tax evasion is lawful evil?
@@TheLoadingCrew Nah it’s a reference to Max0r’s parody of DMC5
Now I'm Motivated
Clicked on this the moment it popped up in my notifications.
The power thing going on between Vergil and Dante is something that I've asked others about before. Both gain comparable levels of power, but their beliefs, motivations, and methods are practically exact opposites of each other. Both lost everything, but Vergil tossed aside his humanity in more ways than one to achieve power, but Dante lives as a "Devilman" if anyone has seen that. Vergil was willing to do anything for power, but Dante, who never actively sought power, was still able to keep up. Then in comes Nero, who, yes, both brothers were worn out from fighting each other, Nero still basically crushed them, and all he had to do was really want to stop them from killing each other.
14:48 I feel as though for the merge, it would make more sense if the two halves merged at the midpoint, since although V did some good, Urizen's massacre was still Vergil's fault. Thusly, the two's alignments should cancel into the very start of Chaotic Evil.
I think Vergil is actually Chaotic Neutral (or even Chaotic Stupid). He isn’t evil he just is looking for power, which sadly most of the good ways to gain power in the DMC are through evil. If the best way to gain power was help people Vergil would do that.
His alignment is Motivation
Man, those Urizen and Qliphoth pronunciations are really something
Wait! Still one more left. Nero!
"Where'd you learn to count?"
God vergil is so hot
Forgot a Chaotic Evil for being a deadbeat dad.
chaotic POWER
5:55 "pwoer"
I'd like to say V's familiars were not ordered by Vergil to test Dante, that was their decision Griffin literally says "We are here to kill you of our own free will". They are walking PTSD, they embody Vergil's nightmares, as such they don't like existing. Their attack on Dante could accomplish 2 things. One (the more likely scenario understood by both them and Dante) Dante wins and they die and finally achieve peace. Two they win and kill Dante (best outcome for them) as they are part of Vergil they do share his goals they hate Dante as much as Vergil does. If they kill him they claim their victory over Dante and since they are familiars without a host they will soon die as well so they still get their peace.
"I am the storm that is approaching" is both REALLY catchy and really overused at times, but dammit it is it catchy
What D&D alignment is Superman Red Son
yeeeeeesssssss
I'd say his time as Urizen should slam him into the evil categories because he killed an estimated 2 to 3 million people to harvest blood for the Qliphoth.
Sora from Kingdom Hearts series when!!!!
hello…. hornier stuart
Here is a new trilogy.
1: Frisk (pasifist)
2: Chara (in genoside frisk body)
3: Sans (He is the same in both, and he can see resets, so maybe do both.)
Do an order that feels right, but maybe have frost last, and chara first. Maybe that could be fun to watch. Maybe extra 4th review on
4: Flowey (both runs)
You clearly didn't put enough research into Vergil fight with Nero. That "It's past your bedtime" he says when making a grab attack is worth at least 1 ding! Though what's the alignment of dad jokes?
Can you make a Bayonetta video since Bayonetta 3 is coming out this year?
In the Dante video, you said that if the videos are popular enough, you might do a 3rd video on the dmc franchise. Honestly, I want to see you do a MA on DMC/“Reboot” Dante. People often disregard him as an edgy try-hard that thinks he’s cool, but I think that he has an outstanding and endearing positive development arc that the fans are blinding themselves towards.
His character arc is literally dmc3 Dante but worse
I have to disagree with one point. Taking Dante's amulet after defeating him isn't chaotic or evil, neither is attempting to finish off or simply wound an opponent so that they can no longer fight you. It's pragmatic. This wasn't a friendly duel it was a contest of strength and Vergil as the winner took the amulet as his prize. True neutral.
me waiting for Nero
8:23 i'm sorry queef what?
Hey, I hope you're fine and well. I have a doubt. Would you please analyze Hannibal Lecter from the series? I'm curious, but I believe he might be Chaotic Evil due to all the manipulation and killings he does, but I wanted to know your opinion.
My girlfriend is a huge fan of the series. She once told me when we were still friends that as "husbandos", Virgil is the one you have a one-night stand, and Dante is the one you have a serious relationship with
Yeah, I still don't get these guys. But I do like playing him in Ultimate MvC 3 =P
2:50 I think I'm missing somthing. How is that an evil act?
Maybe do Nero as part 3.
Is BAMF not a recognized alignment? What about Sexy Beast?
Either one would be appropriate for Vergil.
Hey @TheLoadingCrew! I have a suggestion for a video. Could you try and find the DnD alignment of the characters of The Amazing World of Gumball? It's getting a movie and new series soon and I think it would be interesting to see where you place these characters akin to your Undertale alignment video.
2:20 What was the music here ??
it would be awesome if you did death note Light and L( the series not the netflix movie)
Another great video, homeslice.
*_Vergil could totally take down Sephiroth, no contest, I don't care what tripe Deathbattle spews._*
hahahah! beautiful comment xD
@@TheLoadingCrew
*his shwrod can cut through **_dimensions!_** what do you mean a mere meteor can take Vergil out!*
Do Nero you coward!
Also, thanks for the content.
Part 3 with Nero?
Here once again to ask about Wakfu characters
14:00 PAPA ROACH
Nero next, plz
working on it
5:46 minor spelling mistake at power now "pwoer" now video wrong and Virgil is 100% Lawful Good (clearly joke)
Plz do Guts from berserk
You should do senator armstrong.
Have fun with that lol
😈
I'm sorry, but I'm so throwen off by how he says Mallet (maley) Iland, Urizen (u-re-zen or ur-(soft)i-zen), and Qliphoth (kly-fot).
Day 5 of asking for stranger things alignments
I dont agree with your charts sometimes since you weigh some ridiculously evil things like killing as 1 neutral evil but then give Vergil staggering 4! Neutrals because he was mind controlled essentially making him "neutral", that simply makes no sense man. Sliding the evil urizen to chaotic neutral because V was neutral makes no sense, and the fact that Vergil killed uncountable amounts of people as a result of his selfish wants as either Vergil in DMC3 or Urizen in DMC5 but then ends on an almost chaotic good at the end of this chart? Vergil is a neutral at the best of times and chaotic or neutral evil most of the time in the games.
Urizen is pronounced "ur-ez-zen" and Qliphoth is pronounced "k-lie-f-oth"
Personally I rank Vergil more Neutral Evil leaning to Chaotic Evil due the selfish choices he made and he did so willingly. Though the breakdown analysis is interesting, especially as you broke up the aspects of Vergil, which I believe leads to more credence of Vergil being more selfish and evil rather than good. Though I suppose someone could argue that Vergil could be Lawful Evil, but I just do not see it.
Vergil, being more selfish and self centered, not caring about laws and rules, but also not going wildly insane and changing his true goal every hour, I would have to say Neutral Evil. And I agree that I don't like TheLoadingCrew's take on this. It's quite clear he is being bias. a lot of the 'Neutrals' are meant to be evil, but just claims it isn't... because he says it isn't. Releasing Demons, even if just for selfish reasons, is still an EVIL act, knowing those Demons will kill innocent people. Just cause Vergil doesn't care, doesn't make it any less evil. It's not just intent, but also the act itself Both sides have to be weighed.
@@Jirodyne Well it is subject to opinion of the alignment. The terrible devil's advocate here being that Vergil probably just does not see killing humans or demons as evil due to his quest for power and survival...
I like how you completely butcher the pronunciation of qlithoth and Urizen
thanks :)
@@TheLoadingCrew yeah I honestly thought you were saying Verizon a few times
I will now purposely say all names wrong in the nero video lol
@@TheLoadingCrew I guess that’s my claim to fame. Anyway I wish you people a great day.
I said this on the dante vid but I think you put a bit to much evil on vergil here he is not doing any of this because he was to hurt anyone or hates anything his focus is entirely on his own goals with an ambivalence to anything that gets crushed along the way more spot on that with dante but still I would say most of vergils actions are solidly in the neutral camp not really in the evil camp
overall I would say that Vergil is solidly lawful neutral with a slight leaning toward evil but only when that is the most beneficial path and dante is heavy chaotic neutral with a slight leaning toward good as he does want to live up to Sparda's legacy but he will do it in his own way
This video proves how little effort went into writing the franchise universe and characters, the fact that 75% of the story chunk is in the manga( material outside of the video games) just baffles me.
But I guess cheap anime fantasy fanservice works lol.
Everytime a game releases, the story part is severely watered down from the previous game, even tho it’s like 50% of the games yet the writers always write their stories an hour before the game is released.
I just wish dmc6 doesn’t just follow on the same cheap Fanservice rout with writing and actually delivers something at least worths investing in that isn’t the same Dante vs Vergil plot for the 17th time aka the most generic milked anime plot ( funny op white hair character 1 vs angrei white haired 2 that is also op) and the writer don’t seem to even explain or showcase each character arc or story in way that is at least believable and doesn’t feel like everytime you play a game a you skipped 5 expansions that explain the characters story . Oh wait *ahem* manga.
Man dmc 1 kinda feel like the only game with an established and kinda well thought out plot
How do you manage to mispronounce "qliphoth" and "Urizen" so consistently when nobody in the game will shut up about those terms?