Why The United States Has Two Dakotas: North Dakota and South Dakota
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The United States has two Dakotas: North Dakota and South Dakota. But while these are two completely separate states each with their own state governments, two U.S. senators, and representative in Congress, there's nothing really all that natural or cultural that necessitated the area be split into two. Here's why the formerly single Dakota territory was split into two separate states.
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A farm in North Dakota was right on the southern border,
and when a new survey showed the farm was
actually in South Dakota, the farmer said,
"Well, the winters will be milder."
Love this!
😂😂 I’m a few miles north of the border in ND. Very funny!
I heard it different. An old widow lived alone on her farm just south of the 49th parallel. Surveyors came one day and told her the farm may be in Canada. After the survey was completed, the surveyors told her the property was still in ND.
The old woman was relieved and said, thank goodness, I heard those Canadian winters were really cold.
@@emptyhand777 I may FB this,
As a North Dakotan Fargo and grand forks can be annexed my Minnesota any time plz
They need to set aside their differences and combine into one state with a new name: NorthSouth
The great northern plain state lmao
Don't they usually take the first half of the first name then combine it with the second part of the second name making North Dakota.
Or just keep the original name…..the Dakota Territory.
@@djrom66 Or just DAKOTA.
Naw, stay two Dakotas, but split it into East and West Dakota. Or Dakota and West Dakota, like the Virginias.
Not so much in North Dakota, but South Dakota is bisected almost exactly in the middle by the Missouri River. Having been born and raised in Rapid City, people in South Dakota still refer to things as "East River" or "West River", so it might have actually made more sense to have "East Dakota" and "West Dakota" instead of north and south.
Amen brother
i grew up west river in gregory am now in yankton
In a lot of ways, east river has more in common with eastern ND and even southwestern Manitoba than it does with west river.
Go West River!
I visited rapid city for work several years ago... It was at a cement plant.....I loved it... I can't remember the casino I would visit after my shift but it was pretty cool and it was awesome how coming into rapid city you could see the whole city down in a valley surrounded by mountains and hills....
Even while split up, the Dakota’s are immense states, South Dakota alone is almost the size of Great Britain.
But less population than the city of Cologne/Köln.
Just like Saskatchewan just above it... 1.0 million people in a huge area... Same climate, same ethnic mix essentially of Germanic immigrants and indigenous peoples... Personally I think Saskatchewan and Manitoba should merge into Saskitoba with a combined population of 2.3 million... But as an Albertan, that's just me wanting to address some political shortchanging that ALWAYS happens here...
@@stickynorth Alberta and Saskatchewan should join the US. Whether combined to make 1 state or 2 I believe together we could form a better Union. Canada is so far Left and controlled by London I don’t think there is much hope left, but for those 2 provinces to join the US I believe there is more hope for the US.
Note: I don’t say Manitoba as I don’t think London and Ontario will let them go and give the US access to the Hudson Bay. Wouldn’t hurt either to have some of the Northern Territories though to create a railroad from Alberta to Alaska!
@@JPJ432What does London, UK have to do with controlling Canada except as a member of the Commonwealth?
The UK is on the verge of losing Scotland. That is more than enough to concern themselves with. Their influence on Canada, anyway, especially in the Prairies is negligible.
@@MortonT1958 Maybe they meant London, canada
Now I need to know why there are two Carolinas (and why the north one is significantly larger than the south).
They were never a territory, more of a province under the British throne before the revolution. This history is on Wikipedia and some older South Carolina text books.
There were 8 nobel royal's of England that had claimed Carolina. They split the land up because the 8 didn't get along.
People also ask
Who were the 8 nobles who founded South Carolina?
This charter issued by King Charles II of England proposed the formation of the Lords Proprietors and gave the lands of Carolina to the eight proprietors: the Earl of Clarendon, Duke of Albemarle, Lord Craven, Lord Berkeley, Lord Ashley, Sir George Carteret, William Berkeley and Sir John Colleto
That's what I thought when seeing the title of this video, if we're asking why there's both a North and South Dakota, we should also ask why there's a North and South Carolina. And also, why is there a Virginia and West Virginia
@@alvexok5523 The Virginia split was because of the Civil War. Or rather, the events leading up to it.
Virginia seceded from the Union to form the Confederacy, but the people in the northwest area didn't approve of this and eventually (roughly 2 years later) voted to secede from Virginia and apply for statehood, which was granted soon after.
They're the only state that "switched sides", having joined the Union after its ratification into statehood.
@@AO968 Yes, that's right. It's been many years since I took American history in school and I forgot learning about the Virginia split and other details of the Civil War. And I guess I've never gotten around to googling it either, same with why the Carolinas were split up into North and South, I'll go ahead and google it.
As a viewer from Rapid City, I still find it odd that they went north-south instead of east-west. the differences are a bit more pronounced going east to west vs north south, especially geographically.
West River is absolutely the better half.
Shout out to Rapid
Ah, Rapid. I'll move back there eventually.
@@MnemonicHack Right, it’s way better than where I moved to. Vancouver WA
@@jrod264winmag is it still 20 minutes to get anywhere?
The History Guy does a great rundown on why the states split apart. They were ultimately split for political expediency but there’s was a lot of animosity growing between the states with included relocating the territorial capitol from Yankton, SD to Bismarck and that caused a lot of consternation. I think splitting the territory was going to happen no matter what.
The same thing happened in Canada. We got Saskatchewan and Alberta because Ontario was afraid one new province would become too powerful and threaten Ontario's monopoly on power. (Canada does NOT have a equal representative senate.) So, keep everyone else small to keep Ontario in power.
A lot that I’ve learned about Canadian history and geography (which is admittedly not much since I’m from the US) seems like it boils down to Ontario and Quebec being petty lol
@@tysonfontanez It is.🤣🤣🤣🤣
I live in Manitoba Canada, so naturally the most travelled to state for me, is North Dakota. But second, is South Dakota (likely for most Manitobans, second would be Minnesota). I love the Dakotas. I love the prairies.
yes! where the prairies are still the prairies! I live in south east Texas where prairie meets coastal areas of swamps and forests of SE TX. And there used to be something called the “Katy Prairie” a once vast prairie which was once known as the largest migration area of yall’s snow geese in all of North America. Alas! No longer. Unfortunately because of the massive growth of Houston and surrounding cities, most of the Katy Prairie is now cities and suburbs and subdivisions. Me, I am not a radical environmentalist so I am not opposed at all to people building houses for themselves and moving in… it is just human existence… Yet, also, the hunter and outdoorsman side of me does simultaneously “mourn” or “bemoan” the loss of the once vast Katy Prairie. Fortunately we still have lots of others prairies in TX but not as much as SD or ND or Manitoba!
I went to high school in Minot so our closest big city was Winnipeg. After graduation we moved home to California and I was in line to register for classes at a community college. In the line next to me was a woman from Brandon. Of course we became friends but I have lost touch with her over the decades since. I went back to The Peg in summer 2019; the new museum and the Royal Canadian Mint were two of the highlights of my visit. Oh, one more thing, unlike South Dakota, much of North Dakota drains to the Arctic through Manitoba because of being north of the Laurentian Continental Divide.
@@Zeyev Interesting that you're from Minot. Growing up, I live on a farm in Pierson Manitoba, which is like 20 min from the US border. We used to go shopping in Minot. it was much easier to get across back then, and Minot was closer than Brandon! Winnipeg was a real treat it was the "big" city. Even though it's not all that big.
@@larryroyovitz7829 "From" Minot? Not exactly. My father was in the US Air Force and we lived north of town for 2 years. In those days, the coinage of both countries circulated easily; Canadian paper dollars were valued at 90 cents. The border was not a big deal in the 1960s. According to Google Maps, I was only about an hour away from Pierson. One of my classmates lives in Boissevain and became a Canadian citizen. Another of our classmates was the son of an RCAF officer and lived on the base. I suppose it's more difficult now to have such cross-border friendships.
@@Zeyev A tiny portion of SD does drain by the Red.
The biggest attraction in South Dakota is Mount Rushmore. The biggest attraction in North Dakota is the Welcome to South Dakota sign on interstate 29.
You’re forgetting about the McDonald’s in bismarck - we have fun things too!
@@gracehalsey3401 does it have a playplace?
I grew up in North Dakota and I completely agree with your comment! 😅
So not true. North Dakota is beautiful and has been #1 on many lists such as happiest, healthiest, friendliest, hardest working, safest, income opportunities, cost of living, and others. We have some beautiful places up here and the people are very friendly amd kind.
I have to disagree. North Dakota is beautiful and has been #1 on many lists such as happiest, healthiest, friendliest, hardest working, safest, income opportunities, cost of living, and others. We have some beautiful places up here and the people are very friendly and kind.
As the Supreme Leader, I'm obligated to say NORTH DAKOTA, BEST DAKOTA! Some North Dakota facts, the world's largest French fry feed is held every year in Grand Forks, during Potato Bowl USA. A new record was set on September 10, 2015, when 5,220 pounds of French fries were served. It is believed to host the geographic center of North America, Rugby, and is home to the tallest man-made structure in the Western Hemisphere, the KVLY-TV mast. It took an act of Congress in the US and Royal Assent in Canada to build the International Peace Garden which is a beautiful symbol of peace and friendship straddling the border of North Dakota and Manitoba. North Dakota is also home to more wildlife refuges (63!) than any other state.
What about the Corn Palace ? 🤠
Don’t forget North Dakota has the world’s largest buffalo and is #2 in oil producing states
@@Tyler14159 And ND is #2 in Honey production and top 5 in a whole range of products that feed the world. And they just found a MASSIVE rare earth deposit. The find is so rich in minerals to be feasible to commercially mine it must be 300 parts per million. The ND mine is 2,600 per million.
My grandfather was originally a Canadian Army officer/ engineer and road builder for the Canadian government north of there. Circa 1895-1900. My great grandfather owned a bank in Sturgis. He convinced my grandfather to buy the Canadian equipment and move to the Dakotas where he built all of the first graded roads from 1900-1920 in the Dakota territories. He moved to east texas in 1920 and built the first graded road between Shreveport and Athens Texas based in Kilgore where he retired.
One can never have enough Dakotas
One Dakota, two Dakota, three Dakota four...or was that potatoes ?
I just visited North Dakota last week (I live up in Manitoba). It was the first time I visited the USA in over 9 years.
I'm somewhat familiar with the story of why there are two Virginias, but it would be cool to hear you cover that in detail.
try historymatters
A century ago, though, ND and SD politics were quite different. In the 1920s, ND was "full of Communists" and SD was Hoover's most loyal state. Over time, the land has changed the people.
Calling it communism is not being historically accurate, the non-partisan league was a populist movement unique to North Dakota in order to fight back against out-of-state interests looking to extract money and resources from the state at the expense of its people, which is why it has the only state-run bank and grain mill in the country despite being solidly center-right, it's the same reason why it is the only state to not require voter registration.
@@williammerkel1410 I definitely understand. It was not Communism, but many conservatives of the day thought it was, hence the quotation marks. I actually adapted the quote from a 1946 book on US geography. Thanks for pointing that out!
South Dakota is STILL a bulwark against communism
@@lucasmetz2403 More on the lines of the Democrat Farm Labor party in Minnesota, but the NonPartisan League (later the Democrat-NPL) did have socialist roots placing them far to the left of most of the conservative Christian population. Fun Fact: My grandfather was a prominent state level republican politician. In the early part of his career the NPL leaders tried to recruit him several times to run for the US Senate. My grandfather was a strong proponent of small government, so I don't know why they tried so hard, but politics often breeds strange bedfellows. 😉
That's why ND has a State Bank and a State Mill. Why send raw product to Chicago/Mpls when we can add value here?
Very Forward thinking actually
Do the Carolinas next!
I was thinking the same thing lol
The real reason is the two Dakotas together would be too awesome to behold 🤣(I'm biased, I live in Fargo, North Dakota.)
Agreed! I live in Fargo too! Been here 13 years.
No one claims Fargo. We all want it to move to Minnesota where it belongs.
I live in Fargo as well (40 years),but I want to move to Knoxville, im soo done with our winters here
I'm from Fargo originally(Billings now) Kirsten as opposed to Kristen seems only to be common in ND and MN.
@@whoisjohngalt4880 haha I actually just made that comment on this video
You're opening line had me rolling. You have a new sub. As a fan of geography I'm glad ii found your channel.
I was taught in school that they couldn’t agree on a capital, they kept switching back and forth between Bismarck and Yankton, but having the capital in one place left the people living on the other side of the territory unsatisfied. And when they both became a state at the same time, on the same day, they were the 39th and 40th states, the way they settled which was which was by alphabetical order. North Dakota is officially the 39th state and South Dakota the 40th because N comes before S
Well done and very informative!
As soon as I saw the title of this video I knew I was going to get some history on trains. Railroad history is awesome.
last time I was this early, the dakotas owned the dakotas
Proud ND girl born and raised. I love my state
Excellent presentation.
Thank you.
Did you just call Sioux Falls... Sioux City?
We do not associate with sewer city in South Dakota.
"Sewer City" lol 👏👏
As we say in Fargo, "flush twice it's a long way to UND". You must feel the same about SCSD
@@brianmiller1077 As an SDSU student, we always remember why it's so windy in Brookings. Fargo sucks and Vermillion blows.
If you talk to people in Western Montana, they’ll tell you the eastern part of the state is West Dakota. 🤣🤣
If you talk to people in Eastern Montana, they’ll tell you that the western part of the state is 2% actual Montanans and 98% yuppie Californians. It’s a fair assessment. 🤣🤣🤣
Born in Grand Forks ND, 1950, moved to Utah in 1971. Thanks for your insights.😊
Really interesting video, always wondered about how states west of the original colonies got their boundaries. If you're looking for another interesting topic like this, I'd like to know more about why the part of Ohio I live in was part of Connecticut. I'm in the Western Reserve region and always found that interesting since the boundary starts at the PA state line.
The answer is almost always "a river".
@@Darkkfated this is one case where it isn't. They drew a line through PA and extended Connecticut's borders westward. It's kind of interesting
@@AdamG1 Well yeah, it's not ALWAYS a river. Sometimes it's some other geographical feature or major city, and they draw a line from there to the nearest river.
In the case of Ohio it was really arbitrary. New York and Pennsylvania were considered big enough already. Connecticut and Massachusetts extended their existing north and south borders on the other side of NY and PA claiming land all the way to the Mississippi until Congress passed the Northwest Ordinence. You can see something similar in the south in a map toward the end of this video.
You say Sioux City when talking about railroad connections, but the town is called Sioux Falls, SD, not Sioux City, IA. Very interesting VID. Thanks
Geoff, I would encourage you too look into the relationship between Sioux City, Iowa's old Elevated railway and Chicago's.
There’s a (north) Sioux City in SoDak, too
@@MasterShake9000 AND a (south) Sioux City in Nebraska
I you haven't been go to both dakotas buteful states with great people
Thanks, how about explaining North and South Carolina?
High country landowners (NC) had different interests than low country landowners (SC)
Hello from South Dakota the best Dakota
The best Dakota is West Dakota...
This is a great video! Thank you for this! NOT a complaint, just think you’d want to know: you verbally stated Sioux Falls as “Sioux City” at about 4:24.
...and he probably thinks Sioux City is in Ohio, not Iowa!!
@@lindanitzschke1315 Are you related to the great Greenbay Packer Ray Nitzschke? Just askin.....
Sioux City however is factually Accurate, thats why he said Sioux City I'm sure. Sioux Falls now has a bigger airport, but SIoux City is more industrial and is the one connected to chicago by rail and the world by the river.
@@lindanitzschke1315 heh its actually in 3 states. did you know that?
Also missed how Wyoming partially came from the Oregon Territory.
Nice work, dude. I wasn't taught this in school. Honestly, I don't know that I was even taught how a territory became a state. Great info, presented expertly. Definitely gonna check out your podcast.
Wyoming was the first state to allow Women to Vote! My grandmother was born February 10, 1880 in Parker, Dakota Territory
In 1880 Dakota Territory was divided, becoming)as signed --Montana, North Dakota, and South Dakota. All 3 states celebrated CENTENNIAL year 1989!
We were taught this in American history class. Read any decent comprehensive book about how the west was settled you’ll see it was all based on destiny and political balancing acts.
You probably meant you don't remember it. Any text book would have this.
I once had a Dodge Dakota. Really great midsized Pickup truck. 🤔
Oh god you made my day. 😂
I disagree but respect your opinion.
@@jwwalker688 That's Ok. It was a frign gas hog...😕
Great job, I’ve always wondered.
Don't forget Dakota Fanning, our 3rd Dakota.
And Dodge Dakota, our 4th Dakota.
Your map is out of date at 5:43. ND and SD were the 39th and 40th states, so at the time, Nevada (36), Nebraska (37), and Colorado (38) were already states. Looking at the Missouri River going through the Dakotas, it really makes you think they should've been divided East Dakota and West Dakota, especially with the fact Fargo, Grand Forks, Jamestown, Bismarck, Sioux Falls, and Pierre are all on the eastern side of the river. The western side is more rural than the eastern, plus they were settled differently with the west side being settled by miners while the eastern side was settled by people coming from Chicago like you mentioned!
And sure, they were split up for political reasons, but really, what state wasn't formed for political reasons when you really get down to it? All the way back to the original 13 colonies who rebelled and became states!
Thank you. By the reasoning this video uses, states shouldn't be states because it was a political calculation. That's every state. People today just hate it for political reasons. Had we called one state Dakota and the other Cheyenne or something, people wouldn't even be talking about this.
Ah an MLS fan, a man of class and culture. As a Red Bull fan that refuses to call them that I am permanently jealous of what yall got going in Portland. Forza Metro, and great video.
I used to work and live along the Montana-North Dakota border, and lived at Watford, City ND. When we used to return from visiting home in Ohio, once we crossed the Eastern North Dakota line we we almost there only EIGHT more hours of driving!
Family Guy: North Dakota, we're not even the best Dakota.
LIke cats or potato chips, you can't have just one Dakota.
Like Lays potato chips? ;-)
Very interesting. Thanks a lot!!!
Please share updates! This is a very interesting case!
I'd like to see a video on why the two Carolina's exist!
Virginia and West Virginia as well.
It should have never been set up this way. The dividing line should have bene vertical split down the middle creating an East Dakota and West Dakota.
It looks better this way lol
West Dakota would still be a territory
The problem with using a body of water as a border is water is a dynamic force of nature. This is how we ended up with oddities like the Kentucky Bend.
Love your channel and you're kind of eye candy. ❤
If they merged, the unemployment rate amongst politicians would double. 🤠
politicians aint real people they is demonics as those humans to deceive the humans the sickos aint deceiving me they is all complete liars!!!non humans!!!
I live in Western Maryland and I remember in HS geography 50 years ago that Virginia and West Virginia were fighting over land out here. To the point where the western part wasn't touching the rest of Maryland. I would love a history on how Maryland got its Southern border
Always was the Potomac River. Trouble is in the mid 1600s no one knew how close the river came to the Maryland - Pennsylvania border!
I remember that I learned the colony that would be New Jersey was split in 2, East and West Jersey. I assume they were devided based on loyalty to the king during that time period.
DAKOTA was too nice and awesome to be admitted as a single state. Of course they had to split it up into two states.
ND born and raised. It is a common opinion that Dakota Territory should have been split vertically instead. Creating East and West Dakota. In hind sight this would have been more in line with the social culture within the areas. Next time, we'll get it right.😘
There is the same feeling in Washington/Oregon.
IF you where from the real Dakota (We where signed in first as a state too), you'd know we do split it East and West River!! Annddd Yes East River rules!!
@@trevordavis2760 Show me one single document that refers to the states of East Dakota and West Dakota, while you are at it, find any reference to which state entered the union first. Be it North, South, East or West.
Nothing would make me happier than to detach from the east of either of these states.
Set the border at ND 18 and whatever SD road is it's equivalent?
Geoff, Enjoyed the ND/SD video. Had always wondered why two Carolinas and two Dakotas. Quite informative. Any thoughts on doing a video on why two Carolinas? Randy/GA
Also two Virginias. Virginia and west Virginia.
@@homomorphic Good point had not thought of that! Randy/GA
@@verderandy9161 Also all mostly conservative states. Why not make DC and Northern Virginia one state also? Both are culturally much different than Virginia itself and DC has no representation.
The Carolina separation happened before the US was even independent- apparently back in the early 1700's, and the reason was that the British decided that there were too many people in the colony to administrate as a single colony, so South Carolina was broken off from North Carolina, which at the time still had Tennessee as part of it.
In a way, there are 2 Michigans too. The Lower Peninsula and the Upper Peninsula. There are some real differences between the two and the Upper Peninsula has long had a movement to break away and become its own state. Can you blame them? Would you want to live in the same state with Detroit?
Great video. 🤙🏻
I knew why there are two Virginia states (the Civil War and all that) but I didn't know why there are two Dakota states. Thanks for informing me about this lesser known bit of American history!
Also, more details. There was a corrupt territory gov at the time named Ordway. He moved the capital from Yankton to Bismarck through lots of bribery and direct payments. Also, took bribes to choose county seats. Later he was removed from office and faced legal consequences. But the moving of the capital had a lot to do with the local N v S split. There's no really good reason for there to be two Dakota's. The population warrants one state in 1889 and in 2023. It's really silly.
We liked it so much we got one of each.
There's a lesser known Dakota, West. It's just Eastern Montana. :)
That’s just Montucky. Or mondak territory
Great video 👍
:31; yes I have wondered it haha and, indeed I do believe I was taught it in my school history and civics class circa the year 2000, back when “they” still taught that stuff in schools😅(do they? they should!). Also I went to a private school which supposedly had more intensive teaching standards than our local public school system… Anyways I forgot, and so I am here to re-learn again!
you can never have too many Dakotas
No one would question this if these two sparsely populated states had different names. Like Dakota and South Canada (for example). But because they are both called Dakota folks question why there are two of them. With their small populations you could also question why Idaho and Wyoming are two different states, or Montana and Wyoming....why not one state?
Don't forget that Lewis and Clark were surveyors too. The Expedition made its way through North Dakota twice between 1804 and 1806.
Oregon territory also went up into what would be barely into what would become BC because when the British gave independence to Canada the western part was not in control of British and Canada but then they eventually joined Canada a lot of people don’t know this. But it very hard to find the map.
If we're going to start combining states, start with all those county sized states in New England: Delaware, New Jersey, Road Island.
and we will name it Brand New England
New Jersey !? That's not in New England!
Road ?! Road?! Rhode.......
Appalling gerrymandering is USA's biggest problem.
This was very interesting.
Before this video, I could only name two cities in those entire two states combined. (one being “Fargo”, only from my Sesame Street days in the 70s)
They should make this an AP course, & required for every Floridian to take!
I hope our governor will approve it 😂
As some one living in ND, I couldn't believe part of the Electric Company was made there (the recurring sketch, "Fargo North, Decoder" is what I think you're thinking of)
@@brianmiller1077from my memory, I don’t recall part of Sesame Street actually being filmed there.
I just recall, that it was a reoccurring character who said he’s from Fargo, North Dakota.
just like him Gilda Radner on SNL played Rosanne RosannaDanna from Fort Lee, New Jersey.
(maybe I’m wrong, maybe they showed outside scenes from Fargo)
@@MikeCee7"Fargo North, Decoder" was an Electric Company sketch not Sesame Street. Six year old me assumed it was filmed at the PBS affiliate
@@brianmiller1077 yes thanks.
I forgot about the name/show Electric Company. (i.e. I forgot they were two different shows)
We used to watch those two shows, (back to back) when I was in elementary school (during the actual school day, in the classroom)
& they just blurred together to me. (from my memory)
Hitler, North Dakota
Fascinating!
As someone who lives in Fargo, I learned something new today.
I’d like to make a slight pronunciation correction; it’s Nord Dakota and Soud Dakota. 😀
You may now continue on with your day, thank you.
I’d say it’s more like “Narth Dikoda and South Dikoda” 😂
Thank you for the information. I am a Canadian. I have relatives that came to Canada from there. Also I still have relatives living there. I know the Baptist seminary in South Dakota. Also my family and I have been to both Dakotas.
We need some history of Canada geography as well
Good job
Hey Geoff, I just ran across your channel. It looks like you're doing a good job with it. I hope it works out for you. If you don't remember, we went to the Netherlands together while at PSU.
As a South Dakotan, I can assure you there is really just one Dakota.
Yup, West Dakota.
@@codymoe4986
East Dakota.
What do you think South Dakota should be called them Ryker?
@@jamisojo Best Dakota, clearly.
The actual dividing line is East river vs. West river...
5:09 - I did not realize *Sioux Falls SD* is such a big city.
Due to their size and scope, it does make sense to have them as 2 states. If anything Montana could be 2 states and California should be 3 states.
If the people of far north California finally have their way, California *will* be split into two states. The northern part, very conservative, would be Jefferson. It also makes sense to make another divide at the San Gabriels, because what is now Northern California is pretty different from Southern California.
However, there is a serious cultural divide east-west. The population within 50 miles of the coast is so leftist that it's nearly Communist, and because this region has 2/3 of the population, they are responsible for California's awful reputation. East of the Coastal Range, California is a mix of staunch conservatives, rugged independents, and Blue-Dog Democrats. Breaking up the state there would make more sense.
sure, why not give more senators for states full of livestock instead of people? oh, right, cows aren't american citizens, they're property. how about we let the people control the nation instead of rural acreage?
@@perfectallycromulent Which is why California has 52 US Representatives and N. Dakota and S. Dakota each have 1. See how that works!
@@perfectallycromulent Why not learn why our government is set up the way it is. It was to prevent mob rule (True Democracy).
@@jdilksjr yeah, maybe check out who set that up: a bunch of slave masters who were afraid their evil acts would result in them being slaughtered by the people they enslaved. "fear of mob rule" is just code for "let the same rich guys control everything like always has happened". it's anti-human bullshit.
We need a MEGA-DAKOTA
no we dont the sicko demonic lieng loser devil and the evil and the wicked is all going into the pit lake of fireeeeeeeee justice will be served!!!!
ND has huge oil industry, SD not so much
One thing about living in Fargo, North Dakota. It doesn’t matter which way I go, I know it isn’t going to be very exciting
Both Dakotas were once part of the Nebraska territory. The three states should have been on single State. Or the more logically the three States
should have been divided North South at the 100th Meridian forming the States of East Nebraska and West Nebraska. The land east of the 100 meridian
is farm country and the land west of the 100th is ranch country. Long and midgrass prairie in the east and short grass, steep country to the west.
Wow! That's pretty cool to know! Thank you for sharing.
Quite a few comments about having the east/west dividing line. The problem at the time of statehood was that the west river area would not have qualified because of low population. West river may then have been pulled into Montana and Wyoming. Full disclosure - I grew up east river SD, and will return in a couple of years to escape the peoples republic of MN. The joke here in MN now is can western MN be separated and become East Dakota to free it from the leftists in the Twin Cities. 🙂
I hear you! I live in the Black Hills now… escaped the Twin Cities years ago.
My question always been how they do the lines
I see your Timbers shirt, not sure if you're local but those are everywhere in town here.
Part of me wouldn't mind if more states were admitted to the union but I don't want to get rid of the nice round number we have by having 50 states. I compromise would be to have the Dakota instantly combine into one state the second we get ready to admit another state 🤣
Just annex Canada, they have 10 providences so turn those into state and we have 60
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Canada now has 11 provinces. Nunevit was carved out of the eastern part of the Northwest Territories.
Would make more sense for Rhode Island to merge with Connecticut and Delaware to merge with Maryland , and also have Vermont and New Hampshire merge.
@@lyndi9719 Canada has 10 provinces and 3 territories, one of which is Nunavut. Prince Edward Island wouldn't be admitted as a state because its population is too small. Quebec won't join unless it gets special privileges that the United States is unlikely to grant.
The US is just greedy... My country doesn't have any Dakotas at all.
We will gladly give you California! We will even pay you to come get it 👍🏻👍🏻
usa is babylon it will be destroyed by my beautiful Heavenly Father Almighty The Most High, Father to much evil and wicked been let out this fake holographic fake reality realm will have to be destroyed by fireeeeeeeeeee!!! this time !!!
@Andrew No, there will still be trade between California and the rest of the US. That's what economy does. Just like the US trades with Canada.
Yes, as a foreigner I always had that doubt as well with the Carolinas and Virginias.
Not included are the "New" Jersey, Mexico and York.
the carolina colonies were well split up before they were states.
@@krone5 Was the split due to territory or politics?
@@EPL762 get a history book, or watch a good youtube video on the subject. Note I used the term colonies, so the US was not involved with making of the basics of these territories.
LOL. 4:20 in Graphic reads "Sioux Falls to Chicago", but the narrator say's Sioux City to Chicago 😊
I like them both. Sioux Falls is my favorite town with population under 250k. As for being conservative states, I'd rather as a Muslim to start my family there rather than any liberal state.
Why not move to a Muslim country? I hear Afghanistan is nice.
Your not welcome. You or your clan .
@@samnero387 That's rude. TMG probably appreciates their freedoms more than you do.
I love both North Dakota and South Dakota. They're both Awesome States.
there is also two carolinas and virginias and in a sense 2 Kansases and Michigans(this one state with two parts.
Before the railroad hit Bismarck, it wasn't called Bismarck, it was called edwinton. They changed the name to get the attention of German railroad companies.
Yes I live in Bismarck
And you spell it correctly too.
We have 4 states with north and south and 1 state with west in their names
The state with the "west" in her name, is in the eastern half of the country.
@@LD-Orbs I didn’t know the state had a gender
@@macs3948 Old 19th/early 20th century speak. 😁Also, in several European languages, everything gets a gender.
I think you missed the bigger reason ! While you made many valid points the real reason was much more political, after Texas earned its statehood , congress learned big states had more representatives and at the time Texas had too much power politically ! Along with Oregon territory the Dakota territory were to large and congress didn’t want to loose control to 3 or 4 states !
This has always been the reason, it’s the reason why there is pushback to admitting new states.
If you live in Minnesota, it's a bit more of a question you'd ask, when you know ppl who moved here from both North Dakota and South Dakota and you have a bit of extra thinkin' time.
I have a relative who lives in the Northwestern corner of East South Dakota.
Years ago there were some people that wanted to see North Dakota renamed. So a contest was held where people could suggest what would be the best name. My favorite two entries were Manitscolda and
Barren Rectangle.
North dakotian here, can confirm, "Barren Rectangle" is a very-very-very-very *inhales* very accurate description of the land I was born and raised in.
You may joke, but years ago North Dakota was seriously thinking about changing its name to simply "Dakota".
Ive been to both states on vacation, didnt notice much difference between them, both very rugged landscape, not worried about political differences. Lots of history to be had in them. Chicago wants to form its own state, and secede from the rest of Illinois, maybe that would be intetesting?
They should, the rest of the state would probably vote republican, so it’d be a blessing for everyone involved.
Also a couple counties in eastern Oregon have voted to join Idaho.
@@xxxBradTxxx you are correct on the political affiliation, Chicago has so much graft and corruption, its pathetic. Seems like downstate is paying more just to support all that criminal activity up there, and us poor people south of Interstate 80 only get crapped on.
@@xxxBradTxxx i feel like most states should do something like that, doesnt make sense that the huge population centers get to dictate the way people can live hundreds of miles away
But it's the majority of what the people want. Even if it's hundreds of miles away, it doesn't matter. That's where most people live.
@@atticus8659 Mob rule is not what our founding fathers wanted. The states should have followed the example set by the US constitution and split their Legislatures into two with Senate having representatives from each county and House with representatives based on population. That evens it out so that there is compromise by both sets of people.
South Dakota best Dakota.
Well, west river South Dakota.
Actually, mostly just the Black Hills.
The national park across the border says hello...
P.S. Ever been east of the Missouri? It's the same, regardless of North or South...
Nailed it!
They will play a biggest dodgeball event one day
Digging the Timbers shirt