We used to get precision-made glass replacement parts ~2’ by 3’. All the credit went to the people who made and ground the glass. But we would routinely get packages with boot prints on the flat sides (deliberate?). But never a broken or chipped piece of glass. Credit to the (invisible) shipping department and the packaging engineers!
Doug Saying - Thus is How Things R DONE, If Ya Want Something Done Right DO IT Yourself !! Well maybe That Harsh ! LOL'S DIY - SHIPPING CRATES A Business Opportunity - Go in, Measure Twice Cut Once & Build the Necessary Sized Crate 4 Said Object ! Hey Keith, the Channel is Awesome !!
Keith, That was a heck of a find, Thanks to the folks that sent them as we are now going to get to see some more cool stuff made in the Vintage machinery shop.
What a stroke of luck in finding those items and enormous kudos to the guy who recognised what he had and you needed! At that time you made that video appealing to anyone who might know where those pieces that you needed might be lying idle I personally thought you had very, very little chance indeed of finding them - how wrong was I!! That colossal find has to be one almighty step forward with this project. Best wishes.
I hope Keith bought a lottery ticket also.....the chances of finding these parts SEPARATE (i.e. not part of another lead attachment) were virtually zero. Incredible stroke of luck!
That's so great when old unique parts get reunited with a machine. Maybe an old "need missing part" / "found mystery part" segment would be a good occasional feature on this channel or a similar one.
Doug sure knows how to create a top notch shipping crate! Shows the value of what’s inside. Keith you looked so excited when installing those components I even got excited for you! Indeed the best part of the internet has been demonstrated here! So cool!
VERY thoughtful shipping crate and Doug has to be one fine person. I am very happy for you both. "Blessed are those who give without remembering and those who receive without forgetting." I don't think a large spur gear will drive a small worm gear if reversed at 9:20. If the intent of that pair is to have a 1:24 ratio, reversing them will be a ratio of 24:1 which I do not think will work or ever be needed. That means there can only be 3 combinations and not 6. Right? Sure hope the change gears you want to modify are not hardened.
yeah had the same thought. But maybe there is some extra gears somewhere that effectively route the drive through the change gears first and then the worms? But I dont see how that would change the total gear ratio either...
GENERALLY worm gears only work when the pinion is powered. Powering the ring gear USUALLY won't turn the pinion. Maybe there is something else going on like Gregor Lasser and Ypop Nun said.
You have mentioned on this video and at least one earlier video that the three worm gear sets can provide six different ratios. However, I do not believe that you can drive a worm gear set from the large gear to the worm -- only from the worm to the larger gear. My machining experience goes back 60 years to when I was 25, and so I may be missing something, but wanted to pass along this caution. I much enjoy your videos -- they bring back fond memories of metalworking
I imagine the intent is to either power feed the table or turn the handle on the dividing head to feed the device, depending on the configuration of the gearing. Someone correct me if I’m wrong though.
I'm amazed that he was able to determine that he had the gears from the little info that you put out there. No way would I recognize the gears from that. Also who remembers all the stuff they have that they don't use. You were amazingly lucky. And he's a great guy to have helped you out. Oh yea, like Clyde says... the box is a work of art... great job.
What a wonderful resource youtube has become. I watched Leo Sampson's latest Tally Ho video yesterday and saw he was using the threading device you kindly repaired for him. Hats off to you and to your most generous viewers who help make this a better world every day.
Only a "gearhead' who appreciates those pieces of work would take the time to make that great of a box to ship them. Well done and a great addition to your K&T HBM treasure hunt Keith !
Remember Keith how your community comes together when you are in need of a part don't hoard the extras someone else may want to purchase those parts. Thanks for all your videos im a big fan.
They also act as a deterrent to pulling the cover in with the nuts, which you should never do. It strains the cover, strains the case and before you know it the shaft is being bent.
What a beautifully ENGINEERED crate! Keith you were so lucky that Doug recognised what he had on a shelf was what you desperately needed! And Doug must be an awesome engineer if he does engineering the way he does woodwork. I won't ask but I am sure many of us youtubers would be curious to know how much that little lot cost you Keith !
Wow - Excellent packaging - so nice to see someone taking the time and trouble to protect items from the cowboys playing football with our goods, which we are paying them to transport. SO true the power of sodia media is great and so nice to see it used for good purposes. Great progress on the drive. Thanks!
Hi Kieth, you should ask Doug to start a channel showing how to make part boxes 😁 that was really nicely put together so nothing would move, glad to see it's all coming together. Regards Richard
The shaft I was referring to is called the auxiliary drive shaft and yes the 96 tooth worm gear is installed on the table screw extension and driven by it he 1 tooth worm for leads of 356 inch through 2918 inch leads it cautions you to lock out the table direction lever, that's what that knurled screw is for , or damage can occur, I have the 2H low lead and conventional lead attachments for my 1945 2H thanks Keith for the show
I am going to recommend your video to FedEx to demonstrate the proper packing procedure to the public. Most of the time it’s not the post office or UPS or FedEx that’s causing the problem. I packed a wall clock inside of two cardboard boxes with an insulating chamber between the two and shipped it FedEx to Missoula Montana. Made it no problem. This clock had Glass, weights, and chains . This guy went way above the call. Nice job.
Keith you are a very lucky ****, fancy being able to pick up not one but two sets of gearing for your project. It’s like finding one piece of a 1000 piece jigsaw and your subscribers supplying another 997 bits. Ok, so you have to trim a couple of pieces, but what a time saver. That box was the work of a tradesman too. Regards
Low lead attachment complete will give 42,362 different leads from .0219 - 2918.4 inches with either the model H or model K dividing head....Both are 40:1 from the splined input shaft to the spindle of the dividing head. The difference between the model H and model K is that the model H is 40:1 from the crank to the spindle and the model K is 5:1 from crank to spindle....Cheers from Louisiana... Mike
Such a unique video where it's one of those deals where you literally find the needle in the haystack put it under the Christmas tree and everybody freaks out over the wrapping paper! so perfect!
I would really like to see the low lead housing stripped of it's beige paint and repainted to match the mill. It jars my OCD every time I see it. So great to be able to put a call out and find the gear set. I can not help but think how had that would have been before the internet.
referencing the worm gear set: I think you'll find you have to put the 'screw' gear on the driving shaft and the 'wheel' cog on the driven shaft, the other way round would lock it up.
When using certain leads, power feed will come from the table or the low lead directional lever. There is a thumb screw in the table trip and the LL directional lever to pin them in place. The table of leads has a Caution warning at the top every page telling you which feed to use.
Gotta say, that’s a pretty amazing project, and is moving forward through the occurrence of several miracles. I’d never have thought this could all come together.
Doug, that was a fantastic box you made to make Keith HAPPY, also us as well as we get to enjoy the parts you supplied, amazing that you recognized what you had and what they belong to .
Keith, if Im not mistaken you don't have to remove the nuts to remove the covers. Just loosen and twist cover and pull off. that's why the holes are bigger to the right of the mount hole. great Find for your K&T.. great videos..
I remember when you discovered that broken gear in your Wells Index mill. Somebody had one but didn't know what it was until they saw your video. I believe they gave it to you. I also think it was NOS. God loves you Keith Rucker and I certainly understand why. We, your loyal fans, love you too, Keith. Art
Before turning the teeth away on your spares please check the Rockwell hardness to machine a smaller gear pitch. Or you may have to surface grind or wire EDM the new teeth.
I would be keeping that box for the gear sets to live in. that is a great packaging job. You have a large audience of old iron packrats. the only difficulty is figuring out what half the stuff we hang onto actually goes to :D
Doug, Kudos for the job you did in packaging the precious gear for the K&T. Hard telling how many sets of those have wound up in the scrap yard. Thank you for saving that great American Iron.
Totally awesome shipping box! I do a lot of receiving and packing of parts and I'm constantly amazed by the thoughtless packing job that most people do. NO ONE seems to understand what their package will go thru once it leaves their hands.
That is a really superb shipping box - like you I've seen far too much stuff just loaded into a flimsy box which has then been "carefully delivered" by the carrier......
Ya that is WOW! My guess that table end bracket is the same color they painted liberty ship's and that gear set is a swap-meat long bomb that traveled through time from the San francisco navy yard directly to you kind of an eldridge thing It's power deffinatly fell in the right hands (Not that box at the end of raiders of the lost arc)
You still need the auxiliary shaft for certain leads or for driving an attachment without movement of the table....For helical gears, you should have enough to do that.. The drive gear for the auxiliary shaft should be underneath the table already.....Cheers from Louisiana....Mike
While it could make things simpler, I think you should make those two gears from scratch. Mostly so we can see you do those center splines. And this would be a good thing to do, since you only have the two you'll need to make. If you had like a half dozen to make, then sacrificing copies is fine, but with just the two... It's a couple three videos worth of teaching you'd be losing by not making them from scratch. Plus, if those internal splines prove to be too difficult, you could then go with the sacrificial path.
Kudos for praising the sender and his packaging instead of bashing the carrier, parcels endure a lot of automated handling, if a heavy object is inside it’s coming out of a cardboard box
Can you just imagine the size of worm gears and such on a NAVAL SHIP? Great find there and thanks from me to the youtuber that sent them to you as well.
US Navy ships and submarines that are large enough have a machine shop onboard including a lathe and milling machine(s). When you a ship is at sea, it may be all alone for months and they must have some capability to fix engines and equipment enroute, doubly so for warships.
An amazing gift and not only a great mailing crate but also can be used for storage Great video and I can clearly see that you are ecstatic about receiving this package
"...this box is a work of art."
Work of Doug!
I'm pretty sure I've never seen a crate as good.
Best packaging of machine parts I've seen!
Well thought out!
That’s what she said
We used to get precision-made glass replacement parts ~2’ by 3’. All the credit went to the people who made and ground the glass. But we would routinely get packages with boot prints on the flat sides (deliberate?). But never a broken or chipped piece of glass. Credit to the (invisible) shipping department and the packaging engineers!
What a fabulous job he did in building that box. You might want to hang onto that for storage.
I agree that box will make a good storage container for all the parts when not in use!
I would absolutely be using that for storage, they were perfectly protected and organized..
Doug should have a video on how to make shipping boxes !! Can’t wait to see you cutting the first gear Keith
he has one somewhere way back when... I forgot what he shipped but it was in a similar style
A man who would take the thought and care that went into building that packing box is a man who really cares about tools.
Doug Saying - Thus is How Things R DONE, If Ya Want Something Done Right DO IT Yourself !!
Well maybe That Harsh !
LOL'S
DIY - SHIPPING CRATES
A Business Opportunity -
Go in, Measure Twice Cut Once & Build the Necessary Sized Crate 4 Said Object !
Hey Keith, the Channel is Awesome !!
Kudos to Doug for helping with the parts that were needed
the guy certainly knew what he was doing with his wooden crate.....perfect just perfect. Love seeing the job come along Keith. Awesome channel.
Can't help wondering if it was a Navy crate !
I got a shipment of Neodymium magnets that was nothing but a box with a hole in it.
That box wasn't just for shipping, with some hinges it could become a permanent storage solution for the change gears.
100% agreed!
Keith, That was a heck of a find, Thanks to the folks that sent them as we are now going to get to see some more cool stuff made in the Vintage machinery shop.
What a stroke of luck in finding those items and enormous kudos to the guy who recognised what he had and you needed! At that time you made that video appealing to anyone who might know where those pieces that you needed might be lying idle I personally thought you had very, very little chance indeed of finding them - how wrong was I!! That colossal find has to be one almighty step forward with this project.
Best wishes.
I hope Keith bought a lottery ticket also.....the chances of finding these parts SEPARATE (i.e. not part of another lead attachment) were virtually zero. Incredible stroke of luck!
The way the pieces were packed and unpacked was already satisfactory!
I can already go to sleep today with a feeling of happiness.
That's so great when old unique parts get reunited with a machine. Maybe an old "need missing part" / "found mystery part" segment would be a good occasional feature on this channel or a similar one.
Doug sure knows how to create a top notch shipping crate! Shows the value of what’s inside. Keith you looked so excited when installing those components I even got excited for you! Indeed the best part of the internet has been demonstrated here! So cool!
VERY thoughtful shipping crate and Doug has to be one fine person. I am very happy for you both.
"Blessed are those who give without remembering and those who receive without forgetting."
I don't think a large spur gear will drive a small worm gear if reversed at 9:20. If the intent of that pair is to have a 1:24 ratio, reversing them will be a ratio of 24:1 which I do not think will work or ever be needed. That means there can only be 3 combinations and not 6. Right?
Sure hope the change gears you want to modify are not hardened.
yeah had the same thought. But maybe there is some extra gears somewhere that effectively route the drive through the change gears first and then the worms? But I dont see how that would change the total gear ratio either...
It could be set up to power the table from some other device (no Idea Why)
GENERALLY worm gears only work when the pinion is powered. Powering the ring gear USUALLY won't turn the pinion. Maybe there is something else going on like Gregor Lasser and Ypop Nun said.
Maybe the 1:3 ratio worm gear will work in reverse, but 1:24 and 1:96 can not work in reverse, they will just lock up and something will break.
@@scottywisely6180 True! Learned this years ago.
I´ve never seen such a perfect box. Great Job.
The shipping crate would be a great storage place as well. What a work of art in itself. Doug is a craftsman! Thank you for the video.
You have the best luck ever with people finding the things you need😎 You better put out a feeler for that quick change for the hbm!
Jealous Brian?? Lol
You have mentioned on this video and at least one earlier video that the three worm gear sets can provide six different ratios. However, I do not believe that you can drive a worm gear set from the large gear to the worm -- only from the worm to the larger gear. My machining experience goes back 60 years to when I was 25, and so I may be missing something, but wanted to pass along this caution. I much enjoy your videos -- they bring back fond memories of metalworking
I imagine the intent is to either power feed the table or turn the handle on the dividing head to feed the device, depending on the configuration of the gearing. Someone correct me if I’m wrong though.
I can't believe you got the parts that quickly. I thought you had a potential boat anchor. Power of the internet. Packaging was amazing.
I'm amazed that he was able to determine that he had the gears from the little info that you put out there. No way would I recognize the gears from that. Also who remembers all the stuff they have that they don't use. You were amazingly lucky. And he's a great guy to have helped you out.
Oh yea, like Clyde says... the box is a work of art... great job.
With the ability to make a box like that, he probably remembers everything!
This is great! Can’t wait for the casting to come from Windy Hill. I will learn more about turning a rough casting into a critical part for you.
What a wonderful resource youtube has become. I watched Leo Sampson's latest Tally Ho video yesterday and saw he was using the threading device you kindly repaired for him. Hats off to you and to your most generous viewers who help make this a better world every day.
Yeah, he gets a hell of a lot of use out of that threader.
Only a "gearhead' who appreciates those pieces of work would take the time to make that great of a box to ship them. Well done and a great addition to your K&T HBM treasure hunt Keith !
Remember Keith how your community comes together when you are in need of a part don't hoard the extras someone else may want to purchase those parts. Thanks for all your videos im a big fan.
Hello Keith,
That was very nice of Doug for giving you the missing parts...
Take care
Paul,,
I love how ''milling machine' becomes a 1 syllable word in Georgia.
Not just that but my wife's name is one syllable and her mom stretches it into three.
yes it is.
Like pint'oGuiness in United Kingdom pubs
You have the unique advantage of thousands of viewers helping you find the rare parts you need.
The cover plates have those weirdly shaped holes so that you don't need to unscrew the nuts when opening them.
I thought exactly the same but it seems that the flanges on those nuts are a bit too wide to pass through the openings.
@@piast99 they look like original to me.
They also act as a deterrent to pulling the cover in with the nuts, which you should never do. It strains the cover, strains the case and before you know it the shaft is being bent.
@@simongroot7147 When he said finesse he meant brute force...
@@simongroot7147 I did hold my breath when Keith started pulling in the cover with the nuts 🙀
What a beautifully ENGINEERED crate! Keith you were so lucky that Doug recognised what he had on a shelf was what you desperately needed! And Doug must be an awesome engineer if he does engineering the way he does woodwork. I won't ask but I am sure many of us youtubers would be curious to know how much that little lot cost you Keith !
Perhaps the box they came in could become a storage box for all the unused parts, for later use when needed.
That is the biggest packaging flex I have ever seen in my life! That's a piece of art!
That box will be perfect to store the extra parts. Great craftsmanship.
Well done Doug Youngberg, that was really good work on that packing crate !
You owe thanks to the USN for not simply scrapping obsolete equipment and to Clarke for his USN experience as a molder.
Wow - Excellent packaging - so nice to see someone taking the time and trouble to protect items from the cowboys playing football with our goods, which we are paying them to transport. SO true the power of sodia media is great and so nice to see it used for good purposes. Great progress on the drive. Thanks!
Jealous of the packaging job. Don't think I'd ever be able to come up with a design like that
incredible work.
As a shipper/Receiver I have done some good packaging/crating but that is on a way higher Leval!
Hi Kieth, you should ask Doug to start a channel showing how to make part boxes 😁 that was really nicely put together so nothing would move, glad to see it's all coming together.
Regards Richard
That crate will make a great storage box for all the gears for it
The shaft I was referring to is called the auxiliary drive shaft and yes the 96 tooth worm gear is installed on the table screw extension and driven by it he 1 tooth worm for leads of 356 inch through 2918 inch leads it cautions you to lock out the table direction lever, that's what that knurled screw is for , or damage can occur, I have the 2H low lead and conventional lead attachments for my 1945 2H thanks Keith for the show
I’m in awe of the wooden box!
Keith, you were born under a star.
JIM
This is definitely a case of one person's junk being another person's gold.
I am going to recommend your video to FedEx to demonstrate the proper packing procedure to the public. Most of the time it’s not the post office or UPS or FedEx that’s causing the problem. I packed a wall clock inside of two cardboard boxes with an insulating chamber between the two and shipped it FedEx to Missoula Montana. Made it no problem. This clock had Glass, weights, and chains . This guy went way above the call. Nice job.
WOW OMG LOVE THE PACKAGING
Just looking at that shipping box, I can tell you Doug is a pretty great guy.
Keith you are a very lucky ****, fancy being able to pick up not one but two sets of gearing for your project. It’s like finding one piece of a 1000 piece jigsaw and your subscribers supplying another 997 bits. Ok, so you have to trim a couple of pieces, but what a time saver. That box was the work of a tradesman too. Regards
Fantastic crate that was used for shipping. There was a lot of thought that went into it.
The cats will like the box as well!
Amazing that someone had the correct parts..
Low lead attachment complete will give 42,362 different leads from .0219 - 2918.4 inches with either the model H or model K dividing head....Both are 40:1 from the splined input shaft to the spindle of the dividing head. The difference between the model H and model K is that the model H is 40:1 from the crank to the spindle and the model K is 5:1 from crank to spindle....Cheers from Louisiana... Mike
I have to say, I was most impressed with the packaging
Such a unique video where it's one of those deals where you literally find the needle in the haystack put it under the Christmas tree and everybody freaks out over the wrapping paper! so perfect!
I would really like to see the low lead housing stripped of it's beige paint and repainted to match the mill. It jars my OCD every time I see it. So great to be able to put a call out and find the gear set. I can not help but think how had that would have been before the internet.
Best box ever, no doubt, work of art! Well done! And cool to see how that all comes together.
referencing the worm gear set: I think you'll find you have to put the 'screw' gear on the driving shaft and the 'wheel' cog on the driven shaft, the other way round would lock it up.
Brilliant packing !
Storage for all your excess parts !
Great rebuild !
Stu
Wow! what a great box Doug made!
First, one of the best Packaging jobs I have ever seen.
Enjoyed Keith!
ATB, Robin
When using certain leads, power feed will come from the table or the low lead directional lever. There is a thumb screw in the table trip and the LL directional lever to pin them in place. The table of leads has a Caution warning at the top every page telling you which feed to use.
Doughs a hero,what a box !
What an awesome packing job! Well done. Can't wait to see some spiral gears cut.
Gotta say, that’s a pretty amazing project, and is moving forward through the occurrence of several miracles. I’d never have thought this could all come together.
The box might be adapted to store some of the parts.
Doug, that was a fantastic box you made to make Keith HAPPY, also us as well as we get to enjoy the parts you supplied, amazing that you recognized what you had and what they belong to .
that box makes for a great storage for the gears
Thanks Doug
Keith, if Im not mistaken you don't have to remove the nuts to remove the covers. Just loosen and twist cover and pull off. that's why the holes are bigger to the right of the mount hole. great Find for your K&T.. great videos..
Key-hole bolt holes
I remember when you discovered that broken gear in your Wells Index mill. Somebody had one but didn't know what it was until they saw your video. I believe they gave it to you. I also think it was NOS. God loves you Keith Rucker and I certainly understand why. We, your loyal fans, love you too, Keith.
Art
You are one fortunate guy.
This is just amazing Keith. One person helping another person in the machine trades. Happy New Year to you Keith and many more to come. Peace too. V
The packing box was incredible, so much thought went into that. Very fortunate to get your missing parts so quickly. The power of you tube.
Before turning the teeth away on your spares please check the Rockwell hardness to machine a smaller gear pitch. Or you may have to surface grind or wire EDM the new teeth.
I hope to not be the only one envious of that shipping crate. Fantastic work
I would be keeping that box for the gear sets to live in. that is a great packaging job. You have a large audience of old iron packrats. the only difficulty is figuring out what half the stuff we hang onto actually goes to :D
Doug, Kudos for the job you did in packaging the precious gear for the K&T. Hard telling how many sets of those have wound up in the scrap yard. Thank you for saving that great American Iron.
Totally awesome shipping box! I do a lot of receiving and packing of parts and I'm constantly amazed by the thoughtless packing job that most people do. NO ONE seems to understand what their package will go thru once it leaves their hands.
That is a really superb shipping box - like you I've seen far too much stuff just loaded into a flimsy box which has then been "carefully delivered" by the carrier......
I think the Universal Milling Head for the K+T is going to have a correct drive gear sooner rather than later...
One step closer!
Hinges and a latch that crate would make good storage for the gears
Ya that is WOW! My guess that table end bracket is the same color they painted liberty ship's and that gear set is a swap-meat long bomb that traveled through time from the San francisco navy yard directly to you kind of an eldridge thing It's power deffinatly fell in the right hands (Not that box at the end of raiders of the lost arc)
You still need the auxiliary shaft for certain leads or for driving an attachment without movement of the table....For helical gears, you should have enough to do that.. The drive gear for the auxiliary shaft should be underneath the table already.....Cheers from Louisiana....Mike
While it could make things simpler, I think you should make those two gears from scratch. Mostly so we can see you do those center splines. And this would be a good thing to do, since you only have the two you'll need to make. If you had like a half dozen to make, then sacrificing copies is fine, but with just the two... It's a couple three videos worth of teaching you'd be losing by not making them from scratch. Plus, if those internal splines prove to be too difficult, you could then go with the sacrificial path.
~M~ you have been missed
Amazing crate for shipping!
Kudos for praising the sender and his packaging instead of bashing the carrier, parcels endure a lot of automated handling, if a heavy object is inside it’s coming out of a cardboard box
pro packing job!
Wow Keith you hit the gear train Lottery right there. Can't wait to see all the in action.
If I ever have to have a heavy package shipped to me, I hope the person responsible for shipping packages it as well as Doug did those gears!👍🏻😎
Can you just imagine the size of worm gears and such on a NAVAL SHIP? Great find there and thanks from me to the youtuber that sent them to you as well.
Another really interesting video. The power of UA-cam combined with the thoughtfulness of viewers is truly awesome as demonstrated here. Great work.
Where I worked we called UPS United Parcel SMASHERS!
And here was me thinking we would have an hammer free video
Box=amazing !
that is a nice addition
US Navy ships and submarines that are large enough have a machine shop onboard including a lathe and milling machine(s). When you a ship is at sea, it may be all alone for months and they must have some capability to fix engines and equipment enroute, doubly so for warships.
Doug,
Thanks for your generosity.
Best packing job i have ever seen!
An amazing gift and not only a great mailing crate but also can be used for storage
Great video and I can clearly see that you are ecstatic about receiving this package
That is an amazing and cool box
What a great addition to your collection! The gears I promised you are still underway from Australia. But they are coming....