Explaining Every Banned Card in the Pauper Format Part Three
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- Опубліковано 28 лип 2024
- In this series we’ll be going over all the cards banned in the commons only format Pauper and discussing why they’re banned and if they could be unbanned today. This video will go through some of the cards that were banned after already existing for an extended time in the Pauper metagame as opposed to cards that were banned early into their lifespans.
Script by Uncrowned Jules
Editing by Pumkinswift
├ The Video
Intro: (0:00)
Invigorate: (0:14)
Cloudpost: (3:46)
Cloud of Faeries, Peregrine Drake : (6:43)
Gush: (11:40)
Gitaxian Probe: (15:26)
Daze: (18:12)
#mtg #tcg #magicthegathering
(Just a note, we have people who actually know the game very well making the scripts for this channel. As the owner of the channel (Theduellogs/hirumaredx) is a total newbie to the game.) - Ігри
Slight correction, Peregrine Drake's printing into Eternal Masters was the first printing at common, so it wasn't actually legal when cloud of faeries was banned
uh oh nerd alert🤓
@remogaming791 sure? It's more that I remember when Peregrine Drake spoiled for Eternal Masters and people were genuinely surprised by the shift to common, and were joking about how wotc messed up pauper.
Cloudpost! The card I got *four of* dumped in my lap because my friend gave me a deck back in high school to get started and he thought they sucked.
...yeah you can imagine how that turned out for him once he figured out what Cloudpost's deal was...
Also important to note that the audio is correct here, with Cloudpost getting banned in 2013, not in 2023 like the text on screen says. Cloudpost has been busted from basically the very moment we got a second Locus printed.
Also in legacy, cloud post is checked by the existance of wasteland.
it looks weird when you show a non common version of a card from pauper x) great vidéo as usual, keep going
An alternative to fixing cards like Cloud of Faeries and Peregrine Drake would be to limit the land untap ability to how Zacama, Primal Calamity does it. By only if it was cast, then that would stop the flicker abuse.
11:58 Bringing up a book discussing an MtG card is something I didn't expect this channel would do.
It’s a pretty famous and interesting bit of MTG trivia
Gitaxian Probe was an upgraded version of Peek which provided the same effect for 1 blue mana, and I don't think it sees significant pauper play. It certainly isn't oppressive enough to warrant a ban. So the idea that it would still arguably be too strong with a mana value increase and no ability to cheat on cost makes no sense.
It's bizarre because it's obvious they know what Peek is. They literally mentioned it!
Neat analyis video! Thanks for uploading!
You should really show a common version of the cards you show Pauper related videos
I've gathered that with "regular" Magic, you can't use cards past a certain age or set, but with Pauper is anything useable as long as it's Common and not banned? Also been wondering about this for a while, but does Magic ever even errata cards for anything other than clearing up ruling issues? I can't think of a single errata on this channel that was done to nerf or buff a particular card.
Pauper is any card that has been printed at common, yes. Cards rarely see errata for power level purposes, mostly to clear up rules confusion. Sometimes a new creature type is added, like Phyrexian, and there are a whole bunch of cards from older sets that are phyrexians in the lore but don't have the Phyrexian type, so the type is retroactively added to those cards. The only power level errata I can remember since the very beginning of magic when they were figuring things out is Companion, arguably the most unhealthy mechanic ever, which received a huge nerf.
Standard as a heads up is the term you want. I forget how many sets it covers but every nee det pushes out the oldest one that us in standard
Pauper yes is any common printed card at any time.
There were some nerf erratas in edtremely early days such as rukk egg. It originally said "if rukk egg enters the graveyard" no limitation. Afterwards it was "from battlefield". Alot of erratas are done to set limitations on broken combos if possible. Maralith I think is another example from recent years. It didn't have "x cant b 0" so you could make infinite 0/0 tokens initially for etb and death triggers.
Idk any errata buffs
Aside from Companion, which was nerfed for power level reasons, the only errata that happens is for straight up mistakes, like Rukh Egg or Bloodvial Purveyor.
Standard is the format where cards rotate (currently set so the oldest 4 sets leave when the fall set comes in, leaving 9 sets in). Just about every other format either has a cut off for legal cards or everything's legal besides cards on the ban list.
Magic generally doesn't errata cards, at least these days. Can only think of the companion mechanic or cascade ability (twice due to completely new kinds of cards working in completely unintended ways)
no interional power level increases to actively make a card better or worse unless they really mess up and its way too good. it more correcting gameplay to lore and making it function better in rules/ easier to rule
On the note of how to fix Gitaxian Probe to be unbanned, literally just make it cost 1 blue instead of 1 phyrexian blue. Peek is a pauper legal card that has basically the same textbox as Probe (minus some reminder text), except it has the aforementioned fix (or rather Probe was made to be a more playable Peek) and it doesn't see much play. Peek only really shows up in a handful of Izzet Terror and Tireless Tribe decklists
As it turns out the difference between one mana and none mana is pretty large
Amazing!!!!🎉🎉🎉
Daze bouncing back an untapped island is just worse force spike for the record.
Daze would've also been broken with that common land that's an island and allows you to place an instant or sorcery feom your graveyard back on top of your deck. I think it was from Throne of Eldraine or something.
haha yeah Mystic Sanctuary was OP
@@hankhill5616 Yeah, that's it! It was a common, AND an island! Wtf was WotC thinking? I don't even play pauper. I only play Commander, and even in that format it can be broken. Pauper would be a wrap even more! Lol... I'm guessing pauper banned Mystic Sanctuary before I even came out though.
@@stalkerstomper3304Yeah daze got banned a few months before throne of eldraine came out to give us mystic sanctuary. Mystic sanctuary did take about a year and a half to get banned in pauper surprisingly.
I dont think the restriction of bouncing untapped lands would help fix gush at all bc once the target trigger happens, you can tap the lands at response and they would be untapped at time of target so even though theyre tapped they were still legal targets and its essentially the same gush as now.
Guys please upload the next video, I am fiending for it, I need it , i am in an unhealthy imbalance of not having your next pauper banlist video. GIVE IT TO ME PLEASE
I was always surprised just how long Git Probe was legal.
Mistyped on cloud post, you said 2013, but text said 2033, and said perigrine drakes power was 5
Peek already in pauper as a gitaxian proba alternative for one blue mana and it's not played
Being a free, Instanst speed draw 2 would already be too good
Wait is the plural word for Locus: Locuses or Loci? Cause in the video he uses. Oth 🤔
Phyrexian mana again shows up as a banned card. I dont know what they where thinking when they made it but its broken.
the problem is when the phyrexian mana reduces the costs to zero. phyrexian mana in conjunction with other mana in the costs is generally fine. buy free spells are consistently dumb.
I would love to see cloudpost unbanned as is, but the only way to do that is to ban glimmerpost.
Unban Hymn to Tourach!!!!
3:55 you say "2013", but the text says "2023". Which is it?
For April Fools, you should do "Explaining Every Banned Card in the Vintage Format."
Wouldn't lurrus still apply?
making it legendary? Well then it would not be in pauper right?
20:14 comabt
While the whole video is good and informative, you need to double-check the text as there have been many misspellings throughout this video and the previous two.
Invigorate is an uncommon. How is it in pauper then?
It was printed common in its original version
It was printed at common in it's original set, mercadian masques. Same with how daze was printed at common in nemesis originally.
another way to fix Gitaxian Probe is to add a "pay half your life" cost, Yu-Gi-Oh often put those costs on their most powerful cards, so i don't understand why Magic is so reluctant to use that cost
lmao
Pay half your life makes gitaxian probe pretty awful. MTG has used half your life cost on multiple cards though like doomsday, infernal contract, cruel bargain, and peer into the abyss all having it. Though all those cards are black and are part of that slice of the color pie exclusively for the most part.
Paying half your life to draw a card and look at your opp's hand
Lol lmao
Modern day Yugioh lacks the same concepts of aggro and control decks to explain why "pay half your life" is so bad in Magic. Unlike Yugioh, where every deck is a combo/aggro deck that can present 8k damage and win the game in a single turn, and every deck is a control/prison deck which can shut down the opposing strategy cold with multiple pieces of turn 0-1 interaction, games of Magic typically end from damage over multiple combat steps, where stopping a single attack or removing a single attacker might buy an extra turn or more. Even in eternal formats like Vintage or Legacy, losing 10 life on your first turn against a deck threatening your life total is just asking to lose, essentially making their clock ~2 turns faster when they already have a decent shot of killing you without help. A cost like that is really only playable on cards that win the game on their own without giving your opponent the turn(s) needed to take advantage of the cost, not generic 1-for-1 spells you plan to cast in the early/mid-game.
Been binging these and you should perhaps start spellchecking, I'm not a grammar nazi but so many slides have bad spelling ot's too noticeable after a while
You forgot a very important reason why Gush was actually banned. It wasn't actually a very problematic card on it's own. Pauper isn't legacy in regards to the amount of lands you play/need and the downside was actually quite real, especially, when the opponent countered your gush and set you back big time. The biggest problem was that WOTC for whatever reason decided it would be a good to downgrade Foil in Ultimate Masters. On it's own Foil is extremely bad as it requires 3 cards to trade for 1, but with Gush it basically just became free and kind of like Force of Will in Legacy. Foil is basically what got Gush banned, not Gush itself. Nowadays with Tolarian Terror as an additional cheap win condition, that can actually close the game on it's own (The other one was Gurmag Angler) it would be a different story, but back then Gush would have been fine.
P.S.: these early Delver/Faerie Decks were actually quite bad and half-baked. They played way too many creatures for Delver to be good and played Brainstorm just to enable Delver without any way to consistently get out of the brainstorm lock. Back then the community was quite small and even nowadays as a mtgo-heavy format there is still a lot of copy paste, where people simply copy bad deck lists from one another, instead of questioning if the deck was actually well desinged. It took a while for players to realise, that you can't play Delver in a 20+ creature deck and that one of Delvers best friends would actually be Gurmag Angler and later Tolarian Terror, a deck with few, but high impact creatures.
wotc has no business handing out bans on a player created format.