The Deprogram Episode 79: George, Abe and Woody - Every President's a War Criminal #1
Вставка
- Опубліковано 5 лют 2025
- The next Episode - Episode 80 - Elections, Irregular School Shootings and GABAGOOL (Send New(d)s #9) is already available early for Patrons over at: / thedeprogram
Support the show and help us grow while staying as independent as possible. Earn plenty of bonuses - Discord community, early episodes, exclusive bonus episodes, live monthly hangouts, and plenty more.
See The Show On Nebula: go.nebula.tv/t...
First Thought News: / @firstthoughtnews
The Deprogram Merch: thedeprogram-s...
At one point George and his wife owned about 200 slaves, a small town worth of people owned as chattel. Probably not that small at the time
Did you mean to write cattle there?
Oh never mind, never heard of chattel before lol
@@FeiFongWang I think both are correct like say canal and channel
i only ever heard chattel in terms of chattel slavery, but it might be me not reading much old english
He owned 317 people at the time of his death at Mt Vernon.
Ruin every President's Day poster, celebration, and conversation you come across!
@@chompythebeast Bourgeois moralism. That's just being a nonce, not actual organizing a movement
Shout out to William Henry Harrison for only being in office for 31 days before dying of pneumonia. My favorite president.
And still a war criminal because of his military career
@@Newton-Reuther ain't no pneumonia gonna stop him from the war crime grind 💪
I didn't know pneumonia was a colour.
@@renaigh More of a flavor than a color
i thought he died by drinking shit water
I've started saying that the US isn't fucked or broken - It's working exactly as intended.
Ahh, yes, the war criminal episode is finally here. This should be a banger of an episode.
Episodes hopefully
That too as well
how to make subtitles available immediately after uploading a vid
In protest of Charlie boy’s coronation, a friend and I went to see the new Guardians of the galaxy film and gave some money to homeless people. I did catch some of the coronation on the radio. I almost crashed my car by laughing when Archbishop of Canterbury compared Charlie boy to Jesus: “Like Jesus Christ was put on this earth to serve mankind, King Charles is here to serve the public as the ultimate public servant”, wow!
As the head of the Anglican Church, he wants to be connected with the guy in the book that the Church wrote. His track record is better than the Pope’s at least.
@Maplesoon , nah, Charlie boy’s best mate was Savile and he played a big part in getting Savile Knighted. Also, Charlie boy’s brother, our great deputy King, is also a n*nce, whose best mate is Epstein. The British crown and the Catholic Church are both cut from the same sc*mmy cloth, both are parasitic s*x-pests
Not my king
The Archbishop is laying it on thick. Like Charles is married man...
Chompsky did stop me from seeing the light for time.... Then I got Deprogrammed. Thanks my dudes! :)
If you guys ever want to talk more specifically about the black American experience I'd love to see FDsignifier on the show
🔥🔥🔥
omg yes, that'd be great
FD would be an amazing guest
I’m from the future and I have great news for you my friend
Vouch Vouch Vouchhh!
When I think of Woodrow Wilson, I think of “Birth of a Nation.” JT being a Texan, you get to do LBJ and the Bushes 😂
Not to mention popularizing the Lost Cause myth into mainstream academia while he was still head of Princeton...and signing off the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 😅
not from the US. but LBJ doesnt look bad (excepto the Vietnam escalation)
"Well, you're loved by us (asterisk)"
LMAOOOOOO
" Class is when cool hat or bad hat " - marckz carl
Big hats are the highest stage of borgissee - lemon vladmer
@@ArtakaWorksStudio " small hat kings of the world, unite " - smol hat mark
@@YouHaveAnApeHead "the drip comes through the barrel of a gun" - bing chilling, probably
@@ArtakaWorksStudio " peace, small hats and drip " - lennon
@@ArtakaWorksStudioVladimir lemon
Lincoln is an interesting case. You could argue he was constrained by class structures in his treatment of first nations, i.e. alleviating social conflict among settlers through genocide, but he alone of 19th century US presidents had a viable opportunity to instead expropriate a hostile segment of the settlercolonial elite but tried as much as he could to avoid using it.
In other words he could have bought off American peasants and workers with land from purged slave owners rather than exclusively using land from murdered idigenous.
@arelbarosa8779 if only Benjamin Butler was Lincolns vp instead of that hick andrew Johnson
Please make this a series.
As a historical materialist myself I thought the coronation was great. It had the most historic materials.
One interesting thought occurred to me about Lincoln/the Civil War when I was reading the last chapter of Capital on the theory of colonization. Simply put, the only way for industry to generate profits in America without owning slave/indentured labor and plantation land was for immigration to east coast cities to outspeed the rate at which people can leave those cities to settle on land in the west. In other words, would be capitalists in the American north, prior to the Industrial Revolution, could not employ people into positions of exploitation that would allow for capital accumulation because they would just quit and go out on the homestead since the land was basically free. The Industrial Revolution drove people out of Ireland after industrial farmers bought up all the land, and this wave of migration created the surplus population necessary in the NE states for northern capitalists to kickstart factory industry, and it was this accumulation of capital that created the incentive for the northern bourgeoisie to oppose southern slavery. If you look at the writing on the wall, in terms of how class incentives were represented at that time, it really recontextualizes the civil war. Certainly genuinely passionate abolitionists existed and had influence, but the primary political motive for Republicans at the time was not to free black labor, but to end the southern monopoly on black labor and bring that surplus population north to man their factories as wage slaves.
True. End of chattel slavery was a side product of civil war done hesitantly to break the South's slave labour and gain victory in that war
The reason for this is that import of new slaves had been banned decades earlier, meaning they were a lot more expensive - on top of several northern states ha v ING always been slavery-free
@@zainmudassir2964 I forgot about the function of emancipation in the war. From a very literal perspective, Lincolcn openly admits that the biggest reason for the emancipation proclamation was to use black soldiers(laborers) to win the war.
@@weldon2120 he also said that his most improtant goal was preserving union not salves who he wanted to return to africa.
Off topic about Hats , i know it was a style for Grenadiers of the early 18th century to have Mitre Caps ( One of those priest catholic style of hats ) and up till the revolution the Russians maintained that Mitre cap for one of the Grenadier Regiments , very cool and very quirky
my favorite hat is the ushanka, cause it's the hat of the revolution
What revisionist propaganda is this!? The true revolutionary hat is budenovka! /j
The quintessential hat of the revolution is Budenovka. Ushanka was an older pattern used in many parts of the world and by many different groups with different political affiliations, and was in fact adopted as part of a military uniform by the White Russian army first
@@przemysawseredyszyn1405 ahh, i see
I read Chompsky's Deterring Democracy. I don't recall him mentioning anything about capitalism needed to do this to exist, but it did lead me in a more leftward direction.
I'm with Hakim here: F hats! Scarf supremacy! Also people are sleeping on those robes or whatever they're called. They're the most comfortable thing you can wear in the summer. Westoids be wearing jeans in +40C weather and wondering why they're uncomfortable...
I remember NatGeo saying George had "sad eyes" like??? Idgaf man his slaves are sadder
BadEmpanada has a good video about how the policies towards Native Americans laid out by Washington, Jefferson, and later leaders would later go on to influence Hitler's idea of Lebensraum in Eastern Europe.
They (Nazis) were also heavily influenced by the way the US treated black people in the 30’s…unbelievable how the propaganda machine turned the US into the heroes of WWII
True
And Israel
One shoudl also not forget historical derison and supremacy posturing of germans toward slavs and things like OSteidlung and Drang nach osten concept whcih predate hitler.Hitler isnt great anonamly in german cutlure its its consequynce.
Funnyily you can see that almost all germanic cutlures acted like expanisve unrepentent colonialist.this inculde anglosaxons-americvans and englsih
@@bacicinvatteneaca
Fuinnily Israel in books of bible/torah is literrary foudned on genocide on native people-caanites so they as supposed chosen people get their supposed promised land...interesting paralels.
Ummm, but what about the fact, that Karl Marx himself literally praised Linkoln in his articles and wrote several open letters to Old Abe with support of his actions? Besides, many German communists, who emigrated to the US during this time, fought in the Grand Army pf the Republic, and New York communist club supported Lincoln in his electorial campaign
But he was critical of how moderate Lincoln was, and opposed his efforts to appease supporters of slavery. Marx was more of a supporter of radical abolitionists, along the lines of Thaddeus Stephens.
Critical support for him for freeing the slaves, critical because he was still very much liberal. But liberal society is better than slaveholding society.
Fun fact about the Navajo: in WWII, they were used to encode messages by the US government, because Navajo is so radically different from other languages that no one outside the tribe could decode it. They were not allowed to vote. Good enough to serve, bad enough to be viewed as "suspect" and "anti-American" if they didn't, not human enough to be allowed to vote in a country they served in the military of. We carry on that proud colonial legacy in the US to this day by making it so American Samoans have to enlist to escape poverty, then not letting them vote *and* not putting a single veteran hospital or psychological resource in Samoa for them. USA! USA! USA! (I hate it here.)
You need to make the “Make America” hat as mercy. It’s the thing ever.
Cowboy hats are the best. I'm a punk by heart and usually dress the part, but I got a cowboy hat and boots for an event, and now I wear that outfit at least once a week.
correction: That was french president macron, not Kermit
So hard to tell them apart.
I would love a presidents series!
I got my State-affiliated Media hat a few days ago, ITS SO COMFY!
I just finished writing my undergraduate thesis on a Milwaukee socialist who was arrested during ww1 for his vocal opposition to the war. Wilson was one of the worst presidents we've had and it's amazing to me how people seem to have forgotten about his crackdown on opposition to the war, on top of all the shit he did abroad.
To be fair, it was really important that we all got together to fight World War I, famous for being the most justified, humane, and point-full war of all time. Same reason we couldn't do anything about Spanish Flu, and in fact spread it further on bases and troopships by bringing thousands of sick men further together. The cause was just too right.
@@RoyalFusilier What cause? WW1 was an interimperialist conflict, there was no good side.
@@justanormalyoutubeuser3868 that was sarcasm.
I'm fucking autistic, and even I caught it.
Description of Mayakovsky's poem "150 million" from Wikipedia:
«In Chicago, a monstrously rich wonder-city, the world revolution's worst enemy Woodrow Wilson abides in a giant hotel, sporting a bowler-hat "higher than Sukharev Tower." Among his servants Adelina Patti, Fyodor Chalyapin and Ilya Mechnikov are notable.
The rumor of a storm coming from the Pacific spreads among the people of Chicago, sunbathing on the ocean beach. Soon it transpires that the reason behind this cataclysm is mysterious Ivan's approaching them, walking on water. Wilson makes a decision to confront the enemy face to face, gets all of his fat turned into muscles by some magic ointment and arms himself with revolvers and a 70-blade sabre.
The world gets divided into two: half of it joins Ivan (in fact, merges with him, physically), the other half runs away for Wilson's protection. Ivan steps upon the beach without having wetted his feet, and challenges Wilson, now clad in armory, for a showdown. The "World Class Struggle Championship Final" takes place on Chicago's central square. Wilson strikes first and slashed armless Ivan, but out of the wound, instead of blood, peoples, machines, gubernias, et cetera start to pour out to attack the old world.»
Am I the only one who wants to see an anime based on this?
Cultural appropriation is a neutral term, virtually every part of every culture is to some extent appropriated. To deny this is to either know nothing about other cultures and very little about one's own, or to have one's brain poisoned by capitalist copyright thinking. The point is that colonisers use appropriation to pretend they're respecting their victims and obfuscate the ongoing oppression , or that they take cultural items that are reserved to specific people (like war hero headdresses of native americans).
It'd be even funnier if this was done on Presidents' Day. :P
Hat hierarchy is the best we've got, along with capitalism. There's just no other viable option.
It's human nature you know. People evolved to obey the biggest hat. It's a self evident proposition.
@Marlon Bryan Muñoz Núñez The biggest, or the shiniest hat, in the case of bird brained monarchical societies.
"Without the color differentiation of pants, society has no purpose. And when society has no purpose ... "
@@АдамДзоблаев .... we all can wear skirts?
Lobsters can be seen wearing hats on nature to indicate hierarchy you know
Definitley do FDR! I really would like to hear your analysis if the New Deal!
This is the most unhinged episode I've listened to so far, "I'm sellin stocks ova ere" had me crying; I love this kind of energy.
kinda surprised at the no sacco & vanzetti mention w/ the sedition + espionage acts, but great vid! should def make it a series
Got a challenge/request here. I'd love for you guys to develop an edu-tainment game that I think of as "CO-OP-OLY". A game with the goal of building (and showing the benefits of) democratic businesses and economies. One where all the workers collectively own their enterprises. One that is fun to play and inspiring to the imagination, perhaps inspiring real world action beyond the game. It could take any form from board game to online interactive... or a role playing along the lines of d&d. Of course this should only be if you all wanted to do this but I bet you'd do a better job than many if you felt inspired.
Bro, make it. That's a great idea
@@jakpot101 I'd love to, and may eventually get to it. Because I have a lot to learn though the idea is offered to anyone who wants to make their rendition in the mean time. (And if I find the time to play I might learn from theirs)
God I love posh brit Yugopnik
Do Kennedy and FDR next!
6:04 lol is that the sound of a tea cup while he drinks the tea in the picture gif thing on the screen?😅
Don't forget that George Washington personally commanded the force that started the French & Indian War which escalated into a global world war on multiple continents.
The title was enough to make me watch the full thing!
Let's see other national heroes:
Simón Bolívar: great slave owner, genocide of the Pastuso indigenous people in the infamous Black Christmas, he regretted making independence and died hated at the end of his dictatorship and like all South American independence projects at the time he was supported by the British in the Maitland plan.
Tupac amaru ii: José Gabriel was an indigenous nobleman, who had an important position on the route between Potosí and Cuzco, he did not rebel for freedom, but because they did not give him the marquesado de oropesa and they did not exempt him from taxes.
The first draft the US had was in the Civil War not WW1
Socialism shall take the reigns one day
I thought the guy who died 31 days into his term might have gotten away but he was an army general rip bozo
20:47 we pronounce kilometers the same way in Canada. Like kl-om-it-ers then again we still use a lot of metric measurement for weight ourselves, measuring a person's height and lifting weights at the gym. In short, our proximity has our measurements all mixed up.
Yo, on the Wilson part, the US also invaded the port city of Veracruz in Mexico and ransacked the Mexican treasury
Wilson also supported the counter-revolutionary coup of Huerta against Madero, didn't he?
@@Ajente02 Henry lane Wilson(the ambassador to Mexico) supported Huerta's coup. Francisco madero is the perfect embodiment of liberalism, he talked the talk but didn't walk the walk.
@@cachifli870 That's why Zapata and Villa > > > > > > Every single figure from the Mexican Revolution.
@@Ajente02 yup
20:50 we in Romania say ki-lo-me-tru with the accent on "e", not on the "o" like in the states
ya’ll should do more on john brown. deserves far more admiration than two of the three presidents mentioned here
You forgot to talk about Lincoln's connections to socialism and Karl Marx.
Marx supported the abolition of slavery, but he was critical of Lincoln's efforts to appease supporters of slavery. He was more of a radical abolitionist than Lincoln and other moderates.
“Labor is the Superior to Capital” was in an annual address to Congress by Lincoln around December 03, 1861.
On a road trip cross country, we had a lot of ganja. We put a Jesus fish sticker on the bumper plus some other Christian stickers. If we had gotten pulled over, we were ready to start singing Christian hymns. 😎
I don't know how often y'all get this question, but who did your intro music, and is there any way I can get my hands on it
I just told my mother that I wanted to marry a French woman, I also have just been disowned as her child. Vive la commune! 😢🇫🇷🚩🏴
@Porky
Pros of being colonized by the French: not being colonized by the Brit
Pros of being colonized by the Brit: not being colonized by the French.
@@minhducnguyen9276Pros of being colonized by the spanish: not being colonized by either
Cons of being colonized by the spanish: Being colonized by the brits and yanks anyway
Would you consider investigating Kissinger? Although, he never was president, his foreign policy has impacted post Modern politics. He has also managed to be an advisor to other policy leaders.
John Brown is the only white person who deserves all and every respect for his actions
Love to always take lost bullets as a french listening this podcast 😂
My favorite hat is my Chattanooga state affiliated media hat
Hope you cover Kenedy at some point
Fantastic episode
Canadian Prime Ministers next please
Great choice by Yugo to not mention the horrors of the civil wars against Lincoln 😈
Great choice not for you to ever bring up the fact that Lincoln despite claimed as a goody two shoes never stopped the genocide that happened to the najavo tribes
@ well they brought that up in the video. Between the horrors he wrought on the confederacy and the horrors he wrought on the Navajo, only one of those was legit
What about that one US president who died like a month in?
also this should absolutely be a series
Harrison ? Major Indian murderer, absolutely a war criminal (that's where he got the fame he rode into the White House).
He came in as a war hero, so yes
@@Bob-bs9ok ah.
Garfield then?
100% of US presidents being war criminals is absolutely true for the ones that were really remembered but Im not sure about the obscure ones.
(would also like to know Grant's warcrimes, tho they were probably against Native Americans as was exceedingly common (if not to 100%) pre 20th century)
@@winsonzhu4427 Grant was also the one who invaded half of Mexico and tried to annex the Dominican Republic, wasn't he?
I would say that the US history textbook version of early US history is boring it feels like the historical topic equivalent of a white dude in khakis
Monarchy is just tf2! The bigger the hat, the more powerful the person.
Surprised no one mentioned Warren G. Harding sexy love letters
If you guys do another episode about the US presidents I'd like to see one about Jimmy Carter. The main thing I know about him is that after his presidency he built homes for the homeless, so it would be interesting to find out what fucked up shit he was trying to atone for.
All these presidents either are slaves to the bourgeois or just plainly support them in the sociopathic culture that American culture teaches them
Chomsky
I would be interested to hear more about how Chomsky is an anti-communist shill. I've always enjoyed his writing and he was one of the first people that started me thinking about how politics is broken (that and listening to Prime Ministers Questions in The House). Are you saying Chomsky is disingenuous or just lacking something?
Also, Thanks for the great work... it pulls me back sometimes when I fall into despair.
Cool episode. Bad Empanada next.
Best hat is toque
1:00:42 Is the creation of Federal Reserve System nothing for you?
It’s kilometers, not kilometers.
SIREIS PLZ
Bro that whole Nancy pelosi shtick had me rolling
Kìlometre vs Kilòmetre depends on the language. In German, Russian, etc it's Kìlometer, while in Italian, Spanish, etc it's Kilòmetro. In English it's technically the second, but the first one is used as well.
JAJAJA the hatssssssss, the hatssssss. at least presidents dont use hats, they use suits
What's the hat that hakim is talkin about
Is there an episode on personal property ?
Sometimes i wonder how such evil came to be...
I never wonder for long because after looking at stuff like this you’ll immediately find white people looking to either defend it or whitewash it. So it’s not really hard to see how such evil comes to be
For the algo rhythm.
I wish i could wear hats... they never have any in my size.
If we are going to discard an entire historical process because its protagonists such as Washington and Lincoln had personal attributes that were not good, we can talk a lot about the underage lovers of Mao and Stalin and how Stalin tried to exterminate the Muslim peoples of the Caucasus and the Germans of the Volga
Epic
JT we had a draft during the civil war
I can not BELIEVE you didn’t talk about Lincoln’s relationship with Marx!!!
I am convinced that perhaps although Lincoln’s emancipation proclamation was mostly to prevent Europe from supporting the confederacy during the Civil War, I am confident also that Marx may have helped alleviate some of his more racist beliefs, but alas Marx could never convince him that wage labor was also another form of slavery.
smh even Lincoln was an incrementalist
LOL - JT the Commie Cowboy.
Great video. Would love to see this become a series
But Lincoln saved us from the vampires
Please put attention on the war on refugees across the world.
Can you do south Africa presidents
Pre or post 1994? It would be a fun episode though
@@HakimButSouthAfrican both
How the hell does Yugopnik know Tiwa Savage 😂😂😂😂
He does market research and business work, so knowing cultural trends is part of it.
P.S. In a capitalist system, they pretend to be socially aware instead of manufacturing desire for stuff you otherwise would not want!
Ya'll should seek out an indigenous socialist to guest on this series!
algo comment thanks for the content comrades
Kid named finger
Nooooooooo not Jimmy ! I thought he was the good one !!!
But not our Jimmy! Couldn’t be precious Jimmy! Stealing them blind. And he gets to be the President? What a sick joke.
HE DEFECATED THROUGH A SUNROOF
What can I say after all this sh*t being thrown against the fan? Nothing
I support this Misrepresentated Characters from History stuff
Oh Marx the All-Knowing, it has only now come to my attention that you are simply organizing university seminars, where every student in the group was supposed to prepare a report, but only three did so, while the rest sat and listened. You such a nerds. What a nerd am I for listening to this for almost 80 episodes.
42:42
That moment when the commies ask if th e nationalists are ok.
As a French-Italian, I am heavily offended by the first 20 minutes of this video.
😭😭😭😭being both French and Italian I would recommend watching the Hasanabi broadcast there’s a fun surprise waiting there 😂
Teeeeechnically George Washington never said all people are created equal. That was Jefferson's poetry. The "revolution" was not so revolutionary at the time. It was landed noblemen upset that the king did not believe they had the same rights as landed noblemen in the British Isles.
Take the right to bear arms. No, this was not granted to "put down slave revolts." The government army be it called a "militia" or otherwise does not need legal protections to keep it from being stripped of arms. That's nonsense. No, the thought process behind the 2nd Amendment is that going back to well... Rome, the only people denied weapons were SLAVES. Free men in society not only had the right to bear arms but were expected to do so to defend the community while under attack. The justification of bondsmen (serfs) was that they exchanged "protection" for their service and were denied weapons and not expected to fight. So from the founders perspective to deny them weapons is to declare them untrustworthy of power and well... as slaves.
Of course that's a great example of how even genocidal people can be correct on one point. It blows my mind how many leftists there are that scream "power to the people!" while also saying "ban guns!" Ok, pick one. Banning guns is based upon the premise that the people as a whole cannot be trusted with power and will only devolve into murderous animals when trusted with it. That thought process was behind monarchy and all similar forms of government. That's why Europe spent 50 years building the EU, a governing body in which no elected official can write, propose, nor propose the repeal of legislation. They eliminated even the little power the voting public had in their system because they feel that the public cannot be trusted and at best, if they grant the public the power to do so they will vote for Hitler again. So the right to bear arms is a good first principles moment. Do you believe people can be trusted with power, or do you believe they will become murderous and pick Hitler if given the chance again? If you believe the latter you aren't a communist, you're just a monarchist.
Typical western colonizer rhetoric trying to justify themselves