Ford model T, model A, and model B engines
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- Опубліковано 8 лис 2023
- Today On what it’s like engine episode Thursday we diving deep on the Ford model T, model A and Model B engines as well as touch upon what came before it.
Really cool episode enjoy =)
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cars -Just what I needed
Yeah buddy I guess I made that one too easy but congratulations nonetheless =D
The synthesizer gave it away @@What.its.like.
Good job!
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The cars were the late 70’s very early 80’s go to band, you couldn’t turn on the radio with out hearing candy o or so many other great songs. I met my wife in 1979 and the first thing I thought was she was the girl from the cover of the cars album, you know the brunette sitting behind the steering wheel
I can recall a man who owned a grocery store in the small town near where we lived in the late 1950s, and specialized in selling fresh fruit. My father got to know the man who was in his sixties at that time. He told my father about when he had first started the grocery store back about 1920 or shortly before. He said he had to drive to the wholesale fruit market in the nearest big city 50 miles away to get the best deal on fresh fruit, and to be sure it really was fresh, and drive it every business day. The road most of the way was pretty good for the time, and the grocer used Ford trucks exclusively, which of course meant Model T's. He said he wore out 27 Model T trucks doing that.
A local Savings and Loan took a former Model T milk delivery panel truck, restored it and painted the sides of the box portion with their bank logo. It made many appearances in the area and was driven on multiple TV commercials. I had a long conversation with the guy drove and maintained it. It had a Model A engine, w/electric starting, but still used the T's planetary transmission. I'm not sure where the Ford is now, but I'm sure that it is in somebody's collection.
As a side note, the man who created the planetary transmission for the "T", had been a Chrysler engineer, but Chrysler didn't see the advantage of a planetary transmission, so the engineer moved onto Ford. The basic principles of the planetary transmission was the forefather of the automatic transmission.
Cool story than k you so much fir more sharing those memories
My Model A shares the stable with my T Birds The Model A is one of the best collector cars out there. Parts and tech support is easily available
Totally agree great car to get in the hobby
Excellent Video!
Are you familiar with the model A collectors club in Garden City Michigan
I put a B head on my Model A, then later milled it down 1/8th inch, this really pepped things up, then a 3/4 cam, two carbs, split exhaust (ducl), light flywheel, it was FAST.
Awesome =)
It was good to see positive comments. When you cover Model A Fords and make the slightest error the Model A Mafia is quick to correct you Many claim Henry and Edsel were there close friends and have the only right answer. I say this in fun as a Model A owner going through the restoration period
I love model as it is in my opinion the best way to get into a 30s era vehicle because you can get every single part for that car and there is still a very large following with lots of body style still available =)
Not sure if you follow him but Paul Shinn has an excellent channel on model A
Yes I follow the god father of Model A’s and I know to lube my distributor
The Model A engine is a good-sounding powerplant.
They have a very distinctive sound but totally agree
Cars just what i needed
The model T, model A, and B engines found even there way into farm tractors, one brand that used them mostly in Switzerland was Buhrer in 1930s and even into the 40s. Fritz Buhrer was a Ford Car and Fordson dealer back in the 1920s. Buhrer was able to get brand new model T engines and transmissions for two of his first tractor models and the larger model had the model A engine later B, the model B engine was used mostly after and because of the war, Buhrer couldn't get new Ford B engines so he made a copy of them till they where avaible again. Even here in the States the Model A engine and trany found there way into tractors like the Sears Roebuck Sears Economy tractor and etc. Awesome video by the way
Obviously, the 32 is always the optimum choice If that's whats in front of you !! Definitely not "real world" however as the vast majority of us RARELY get to choose since they don't come along in "batches". ;o)
Very well done, Jay! I appreciate the research that you must have done and condensed into this video.
Thank you so much glad you dig this episode =)
Wrote script before I went to Lancaster I got home yesterday morning but that’s a story some really cool cars in the pipeline
Uncle Henry built some of the most iconic Hot Rods known to man, staring in 1932, then again in 1940! Then in 1951, through 1956, and so on. I have never had any experience with model T, A, or B bangers. I would like to try, but they are rare. I would love to build the 226-254 inline flathead six, but wish in one hand . . . .
Great video as always. You mentioned that there was no fuel pump on the Model T and you are quite right. In the early days of motoring it was not unusual for one to back up a steep grade so you could keep the engine from running out of gas. I always loved watching the old comics driving the Model Ts around- the car was laughably funny.
Yeah I thought it was Interesting that stuff was added the model b had water fuel and oil pumps
I had to add another comment: the splash lubrication of the Model A engine hindered the maximum top speed possible, for excess friction caused by cavitation of the oil would drag down the output of the engine. This drag did not come all at once. So, to pass someone on the road was possible if the passing maneuver was done quickly enough. Maybe an overdrive, often added aftermarket, was a way to keep the revs down enough to solve this issue?
That’s what I’ve read as well these engines aren’t high reving engines, but I’ve also read people do switch rear ends out to bring rpm down
WYR: All of them. They're all cool.
NTT: I thought of November Rain by Guns&Roses, but that's not it. If it is, I'll be surprised.
The cool thing about this engine series is that the exhaust port spacing is the same across all of them. This means that you can fit A manifolds on a T block. The ports are different sizes, but not by much. A guy in Oregon with a 1927 Ford Model T Roadster has the exhaust manifold from a Model A on his car, aluminum head with 6:1 compression, an electric fan, distributor, fuel pump, Stromberg(Stromburg?) 81 2-barrel carburettors, original 2-speed planetary, Chicago 3-speed range box, Ruckstell 2-speed axle, Buffalo pin-drive wire wheels, 1922/1923 Willys-Knight steering box, wheel, and column, 1913 White hand controls, added gas pedal, 12-volt Klaxon horn, and several other things. The owner bought it from a junkyard without doors, and his neighbor had built one like it into a drag car in the 1980s, and had 2 right and 2 left doors left over. The owner picked 2 doors out of the 4 he had, and noticed 357 painted on the side. At first, he thought "That can't be right", but the other side had the exact same number. He somehow managed to buy back the original doors from his car, AND pick them out of the assortment he had. He drove it all the way to Bonneville. The carburettors were built in Salt Lake City by a man named Max Musgrove.
Awesome choices thank you so much for sharing that information and insight
@@What.its.like. You're welcome.
My dad drove a model T in his early youth. He spoke of having to drive up steep hills in reverse, so the gas tank stayed above the carburetor and the engine didn't starve due to the gravity-feed fuel system. The gas tank was (I think) underneath the drivers seat. Talk about safe... I had the pleasure of driving a T once, it was not an easy car to drive due to the unusual pedal controlled gear box.
Awesome memories
I have never drove a T because of that it’s totally backwards and everything does something different perhaps one day
I remember my grandma saying that they too had to drive in reverse going up hills and mountains. She said that she was so happy when they started manufacturing vehicles with a starter and fuel pump.
I use to have a picture of vehicles driving in reverse going over the “Grape Vine” , (highway 99) between Los Angeles and Bakersfield, CA.
It is worth remembering that the 1929 Oldsmobile Viking was the first mono-block V8, although it did not sell in any great quantity.
Yes =)
Thank you - love it.
=) glad you dig this episode
Gleaner pull type combines used model T engines and Model A engines as well
Thank you for your knowledge on the early model Ford's.😊😊😊
Glad you dig this episode lots of research
I had a 22 coupe, a 20 roadster pickup and a very early 28 AR Tudor.
Get out the Earth moving equipment, because that’s how much I dig this episode!
You condensed an incredible amount of information into a short period of time, very well done sir. I love the fact that you touched on the fact that when the T engine was released, it was a technical marvel.
And of course the Model A - what a car!
Would you rather: I would take any of those because they’re all awesome.
Thanks as always ~ Chuck
Thank you chuck =) one day we will try and cover the engines that predate these but information on those is hard to find I like a challenge and was able to find some stuff not sure if dimensions survive
All those choices were great ones glad you dig this episode
I’ll let you in on the one in the pipeline I got to do a 1935 Pierce arrow town car.. that car was wow I can’t get it out of my head how incredible it was and they’re not asking a whole bunch of money for it if I had the money I would totally buy it.. it’s cheaper than a new grand wagoneer..7 passenger bob’s Catalina is going to be next there isn’t going to be a episode today I gotta build a Cabinet..
@@What.its.like. my great grandfather owned a Pierce arrow of that vintage. My grandparents sold it as they felt like great grandfather was getting too old to drive. He wasn’t, but that’s what happened.
Good luck on the cabinet! Hope to see some pictures.
I actually like that AA.
P.S i was as teenager when that song came out
That’s awesome. I went through a point where I absolutely love the cars during high school and then I moved on to Boston lol
@@What.its.like. I always like rare or not around any more car's
Well done research on the early Ford engine. 177 Cu in 20 hp on the Ford compared to the 153 cu in Chevy 4 cylinder @ 90 hp in my 1970 Postal Jeep, big contrast in over 50 years. First pick 1930 Ford AA truck, Second Ford A Town car.
Great choices we are going to cover the early chevy engines one day as well I did not know that the early Chevy four-cylinder made 90 hp that’s insane.. great information
Outstanding! Excellent coverage. Might have been nice to add something on the ignition system (Magneto, Commutator/Distributor, Vibrator Coils) and how that changed in the Model A/B but that would have made the video a bit too lengthy. Keep up the great work on these engines!
Glad you dig this episode =) yeah you’re right I should’ve totally went into the ignition side
Great video as always! A minor correction- the Ruckstell did not actually increase the speed. Rather, it added a greater gearing range to allow for more ability to climb hills and more torque at the rear.
That’s what I thought too but read the advertisement it actually says that it increases speed they did sell in under drive as well
I’ve read mixed things
Glad you dig this video
@@What.its.like. Aye, the ad itself is a bit ambiguous. It states- It makes a Ford truck two trucks in one by combining power and speed. Trucks under full load with that engine were not going to spend much time in the original high gear. Any grade of slope and they'd have to down shift and the Model T granny gear topped out at about 15mph. It's the new gear between those gears that made trucks faster, giving them a top speed of closer to 25mph on the hills. And of course, Ruckstell low was good for a walking pace. Fine for pulling stumps but not for going anywhere.
It also states that it’s not an under drive and not to get it confused with that it was interesting I think it depends on what rear end you have for that particular one they made different units I guess
I just watch Lenos garage we’re guy had a rockstar in his head he’s claims that he could get his model T to go 60 miles an hour because of it
@@What.its.like. Oh, yeah! Thank you for a lively discussion- it's one of the many things that make What It's Like so awesome! I hope to hear from some T and TT owners to chime in!
Yeah for sure I’ll call tomorrow man the last couple days have been crazy
FORD Model A TOWN CAR! ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
I only rode an A once. HAD a gasoline after market heater south wind think was 70yrs ago caught fire he casually shut off the under dash fuel tank I had to go home change a my u pants . Never had the desire to step in one ever again 😅
Wow crazy story thank you so much for sharing those memories
In 2000-2001 Ford made 10 brand new model - T's our shop made the patterns for the front axel, cylinder head, engine block, and timing cover. I did the machining on the first of each, I have pics if you're interested.
That’s awesome send the link I’ll check them out
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Cast axle ? Must have been cast steel. I was patternmaker, worked on master patterns for Ford's new Y-block, back in '52. We did not make the head patterns.
@@BonnieKay13 I'm pretty sure the axle was nodular iron but don't quote me on that and it didn't require any Machining
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There is a Ford period documentary that presents the RD for the Flat Head V8. It was like the Apollo Moon Mission for the time. I had watch a friend treat down a Flat Head V8 in the 1960s. Amazing number of small bolts it was really locked together.
Sweet I’ll have to check it out =)
awesome vid, thank you. My brother and I were just discussing the model A and B engines, our father had a plane that used one of those, a Funk bros.Model B. I was told it was the 30th plane built and it used the Ford model B engine, installed upside down, and the radiator blocked pretty much all forward vision.
Glad you dig this video thank you so much for sharing those memories =)
Hi Justin, very accurate video! Very well produced! Dave...
Channel has improved a lot =) can’t wait to see were it is next yeah glad you dig this episode
Thanks again for another great video, I really look forward to the engine videos. For the wyr this time I’m going to pick the model AA even though the one pictured needs some love and in the lighter segment I’d have to choose the town car as it’s so beautiful
Great choices I totally dig the engine episodes as well =)
I love telling the story of where they come from and also the history background of everything that was going on at the time it’s stuff nobody else really talks about but interesting nonetheless
I didn't know they made cars as well as trucks with the model B design, thanks for the info Jay, you're a research guru!. Here the old resort had a model B truck which was full of bees 🐝 🐝🐝! They may have kept making the upgraded model A in other countries, up until the 1960's or 1970's like how the beetle was still being made in Mexico decades after production of it had ceased in Germany. Thanks for the great video Jay, you dive deep into the specs and the vanadium steel! 🧲🎉
I wanted a AA truck with a 11 foot stake bed for the longest time and was going to put a Mitchell overdrive in (truck would be able to run 70 on highway,... i was also going to change rear to try and make it more roadable) but got a 52 Chevy instead.. model BB trucks are rare but out there found out about them when looking fir an AA
I love finding things and information but the internet is limited especially topics before WWII and stuff before WWI is even harder like fords engines that pre date these.. one day going to see if I can put an episode together if those tho glad you dig the channel =)
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Great guess it was the cars just what I needed
Town car model A is very rare 😉
I'd enjoy any of the Trucks we had all three on the farm 👍🤠
Enjoy 😊. Happy Motoring ✌️🤠
Awesome choices I totally agree the town car looks awesome I got to see one in person last year at the Gilmore auto Museum it looks amazing in person might be one of the classiest model A’s glad you dig this episode
At 10.16 I tried counting head studs, from memory they went from 21 to 24 stud at some time, can't get more than 17, what am I missing?
Hi Jay!: Thanks for this super cool engine episode!! Really makes clear the differences in the engines, especially the difference between the A, B and C engines. WYR#1 AA all the way!! #2 I'm conflicted, because the A Town car is SO RARE. I would probably pick the 400 B Convertible Sedan, but you showed the picture of a '32 Ford Roadster! The Convertible Sedan is a two door sedan where the top folds back, sort of like the earlier Rambler convertibles. This body style was a carry over from the Model A. I chose a picture of one of the A400's for the wallpaper on my laptop! Really like it that much. As a side note, they made that body style with the V-8 as well in 1932. They are fairly rare, especially in the 4 cylinder B model.
Great choices yeah I said convertible sedan I should have changed it to roadster lol
AA and the B conv
Sweet choices
Those AA express beds are so cool 9 foot long bed
Excellent tutorial, Jay! Was the 1932 B (or C) model the first low price engine that used crankshaft counterweights? Big difference maker in how smooth engines run, especially on four-cylinder engines. Andy
That’s an interesting question I don’t know the answer to..
That sounds like a video how Ford revolutionized the auto industry by being the first at many things..
@@What.its.like. Plenty of topics in that assertion! But old Henry's most revolutionary idea is still the five-dollar day - turning his employees into consumers and revolutionizing industrial employment in the US.
Any pics of 1955 stock motors for ford deluxes?
1955???
That town car is cool.
Totally agree there is one at the Gilmore auto museum
@@What.its.like.Should be one in my driveway. How do you make money like that. I'm still trying to figure it out.
I have been thinking of advertising my UA-cam Channel once again through AdSense through YT's new Promotions feature. I did that before around 2018 on another channel. Maybe advertising is the key since my channel isn't growing at the pace yours is. - but I need to get some disposable income together first.
I was thinking about doing that too but I’ve never done it and I’m afraid if I start doing it and if it ever gets to a point where I can’t do it anymore I don’t know it’s something definitely look into all the big channels do it That’s how they get the traffic they get I’m not even sure how much it would cost to advertise I don’t know if it’s per video or if you can just pay a flat fee
My channel is only this big because I try to do five videos a week the more contact you make the bigger of your channel gets faster because not everybody is into all of the videos that you put out but maybe the next live stream we can go into that more I’ll talk about it I’m pretty transparent
I had a 1926 International Tow Truck
Sweet, what did you think of that truck
@@What.its.like. a LOT of work.
A lot of the cab had a wood frame with sheet metal surrounding it.
I took it to the local high school (when they still had shop class). I bought the oak wood and took in the pieces for them to “reproduce”. I was so thankful for the work they did.
Finding a place to make the wooden spokes for the wheels was hard but I found a place in the mid-west that made (rebuilt) them for me.
It had a 4cyl engine, but I had a small block 289 Ford V8 retrofitted to fit in the engine bay. I added a 5spd manual transmission from a Ford Mustang and put in Ford rear end from a 3/4 ton F250.
I painted it a Hunter Green with Cream fenders and running boards.
I went ahead and made it back into the tow truck.
I worked on that truck for several years and sold it for $19K way back in the late eighties, as I needed the money to get me the rest of the way through my Masters degree.
Thank you so much for sharing your truck with us did you keep tabs on it, is it still around?
@@What.its.like. No, I actually didn’t keep track of it.
It was an older man who bought it and wanted to take it to car shows.
It was a great looking truck.
I did send a picture of it to the man that I bought it from. I bought it from the original owner. Sadly he had died before I got it finished, but his grandson sent me a Thank You letter.
The truck was originally black and the original owner had a towing company in Pagosa Springs, CO where I bought it from. It was loaded onto a trailer and towed back to southern CA where I was living.
While driving the motor home to CO, I was getting 8mpg and towing it to my house, I was only getting 3mpg.
That old International was HEAVY.
Is there such thing as a crossflow flathead?
Actually yes, the Ford flathead v-8 routed the exhaust around to the outside of the block with the intake ports in the middle of the V as with all V-8's (that I know of). Other flathead V-8's have the exhaust in the middle of the V such as flathead Cadillacs and several others.
Not sure if that answers your question though. On the Ford flathead v-8 all of the valves are in the same line, intake and exhaust.
Your question may be whether or not the intake valves could be on one side of the cylinder with the exhausts on the opposite side, giving a crossflow effect. The answer is yes. Engines known as T-heads were made this way with an intake cam and valves on one side and an exhaust cam and exhaust valves on the other. Technically speaking though, while they are side valve designs, they are not considered flatheads since they do not have a removeable head (or heads). Access for servicing the valves is through a large plug similar to a pipe plug. In some cases those plugs are drilled and tapped to accept the spark plug. So while all flatheads can be described as side valves, not all side valves are flatheads.
Is the song Always on my mind - pet shop boys?
Great guess Andrea got it right out of the gate it was just what I needed by the cars
Supposedly the model B had lots of fuel pump problems
Great to know =)
Model BB and Model A Town Car.
Sweet choices =)
And the model b convertible
Sweet choice
I would rather the model BB.
Just saying…
The 4 cyl engine rated at 177 cu in is the same as a friends ‘27 Chev I think?
Impressive performance from the Ford engine tho 👍
The model B is a pretty cool car that’s overshadowed by the v8 models
Give me the Model AA and the Model B convertible.
Sweet =)
AA truck --Town car
Sweet choices =)
Agreed 🍻
AA, B-sedan
Great choices
there was another engine made 4 the model T car it wasn't made by Ford/ it would run 8O MPH 😊😊 that fast 4 back when they had no roads the flat head Ford V8S the cylinder heads would they never did go back and remake the cylinder heads so they stayed like they were most likely the cast iron cast 2 thin and they did stand the heat of the engine over time 😮😮 OMG 11 11 2O23
Awesome information =)
1933 model bb
Sweet choice
Why do you keep repeating yourself?
How so the model b engine was the same specs other than horsepower and years if that’s what you mean