THIS SOVIET COMPUTER has been FORGOTTEN FOR 30 YEARS!

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  • Опубліковано 26 чер 2024
  • UPD:
    For the background of ES1841 computers in post-disaster Chornobyl Exclusion Zone, watch the first episode: • Extreme Restoration of...
    About specialized expansion cards: • Soviet scientific comp...
    Your requests (trying the CP/M, Error 2000, playing Tetris and so): • Playing ORIGINAL TETRI...
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    ES-1841 is a Soviet i8086 clone-based IBM PC/XT-compatible computer. The same were used in the Chornobyl Zone in post-disaster works e.g. by SP Spetsatom based at Jupiter factory in Pripyat (see the Ep.1 for details).
    This particular machine is NOT from the Zone but fully identical to those remaining in Chornobyl, and has been assembled from 3 different sets found all across Ukraine. In this episode, we will start a restored computer in full configuration for the first time in nearly 3 decades! We will review and try some historic programs and, for sure, will play the legendary Digger!
    Contents of this video:
    0:00 - Intro
    0:49 - Getting software was a challenge
    1:20 - Don't forget - there is much more in the full version
    1:30 - Launch set-up configuration review
    3:10 - A pretty special keyboard
    3:58 - How we discovered corrosion of gold
    4:30 - POWER ON! And BIOS memory test
    5:15 - Booting and trying the Alpha-DOS operation system
    7:10 - About the standard software suite
    7:30 - DELOGRAF business graphic app from ±1987
    13:00 - Info-Gamma dosimetry program from Chernobyl '88
    18:00 - Printing a dosimetry report on a matrix printer
    18:38 - Building radiation charts
    19:07 - CommanDOS file manager
    21:46 - Trying MS-DOS 3.30 and Volkov Commander
    22:37 - A calculator from the USSR Ministry of Energy
    23:21 - Playing DIGGER!
    27:15 - M86 and CP/M operation systems
    28:33 - Outro
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  • @ChernobylFamily
    @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому +79

    Please, let us know in the comments what you think about this video, and what would you like to see in our future episodes. Maybe, playing some classic games or running an app you used in the past? Let us know!

    • @lasskinn474
      @lasskinn474 Рік тому +4

      maybe try fixing the chip by soldering wires(or using conductive liquid solder paint to make the connection to not heat it up, not as strong but if it were on a rigid pcb for mounting it should have a chance of working) from it's legs to a socket you then insert into the socket, if the corrosion doesn't go inside the chip.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому +4

      @@lasskinn474 thanks for the advice, but the sad thing - i did it, and then noticed, that itself the chip is even more damaged than it looked at the first glance :(

    • @lasskinn474
      @lasskinn474 Рік тому +2

      @@ChernobylFamily in that case please just try some more games to run on it and some benchmark program. Also if you have a pinout for the bus if it could be possible to use some sd card hd emulator gizmo somehow for the cpm clone

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому +1

      @@lasskinn474 good idea! Thank you!

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому

      @@lasskinn474 mm... maybe can you suggest such a benchmark program for 8086? BTW, also likely tomorrow will post on Patreon a ~10 min re iew if the test instruments. Contrary to built-in in 1849, these were made as a bootable disk.

  • @hgbugalou
    @hgbugalou Рік тому +308

    Holy cow, this is going to be a hit in the retro PC community. I can't wait to see more.

  • @mattnik
    @mattnik Рік тому +78

    This is amazing. A piece of history that would have been lost forever, without your intervention. Thanks for this!!!

  • @Takamasu84
    @Takamasu84 8 місяців тому +5

    Да, видеть в работе железо 35-40 летней давности - весьма интересно.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  8 місяців тому +1

      Yes. I remember my first reaction when I saw memory test on the screen. It was like... a voice from a far, forgotten past.

  • @MarkMcCluney
    @MarkMcCluney Рік тому +96

    It was rather nice for my wife and I to see that these system files were created on the first of November 1989 - that's the day we were married. Now we're two elderly computer geeks and really enjoying this series. Thank you so much!

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому +6

      Happy to hear that!

    • @SonOfAdolf
      @SonOfAdolf Рік тому +2

      Wow

    • @Xenthera
      @Xenthera 9 місяців тому +2

      “Elderly” as in..? 50s 60s?

    • @DissociatedWomenIncorporated
      @DissociatedWomenIncorporated 7 місяців тому

      @@SonOfAdolfthere’s a game from this time period that you should check out, it’s called Wolfenstein 3D. It’s very educational about the correct way to socially interact with people who follow Nazi ideology, especially if you pick up the chaingun 😃

  • @JimLeonard
    @JimLeonard Рік тому +74

    I'm not sure I can complement you any further -- you're doing a fantastic job with your restoration work, presentation work, and video production. This is such a fascinating area for people on the other side of the Cold War who grew up at the same time.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому +4

      We just love our stuff..) Thank you very much once again for such words.

    • @projects6371
      @projects6371 Рік тому +3

      @@ChernobylFamily Soviet technology is hard to come across these days now but if I never saw this channel it would be a different story

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому +4

      And this is just a beginning!

    • @projects6371
      @projects6371 Рік тому

      @@ChernobylFamily So there's a ton more to go?

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому +4

      @@projects6371 In the scope of the zone: DVK, CM-1420, CM-1801, SKALA, ES-1033 and, the most interesting, computers of Duga which we study already kinda 5 years.

  • @paquitopix
    @paquitopix 8 місяців тому +7

    How could it be possible that Chernobyl incident was in 1986 but files shown during the OS loading are dated on 1989?

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  8 місяців тому +6

      It is super easy. Disaster stopped normal life in the Zone but started an entire field of works to keep the area safe. Therefore dozens of organizations, enterprises and labs were created in Chornobyl town, Pripyat city, etc., and many are operating up to the present day (google "Chornobyl Special Enterprise" for modern examples). As for this computer, here ua-cam.com/video/GH2U-xOOlOk/v-deo.html we explain the background of their use in the Zone.

    • @BS-qr5es
      @BS-qr5es 22 дні тому

      Wrong! All wrong, let’s not get our history lessons on a text feed on UA-cam! We are better than this people

  • @andyk192
    @andyk192 Рік тому +20

    This is perhaps one of the most underrated videos on UA-cam. You guys have incredible content, I don't know how you don't have more subscribers.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому +2

      Well, we started not that long ago..) today in the (our time) evening will be a cool video...)

  • @roadsiderebels3039
    @roadsiderebels3039 Рік тому +11

    Loved the "Drug Deal" purchase of software! Great content! Made me smile.

  • @thebiggerbyte5991
    @thebiggerbyte5991 Рік тому +20

    I absolutely love these videos. As someone with an interest both in old computers and USSR I find them fascinating. Thank you for bringing us these videos - especially at the moment.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому +4

      Thank you! And more to come in the nearest time.

  • @julianflockton
    @julianflockton 9 місяців тому +4

    I used to play Digger on my first 8086 computer for hours when I was a kid. This brought back so many memories. Your videos are amazing and deserve millions of views. What you do will be gold for generations to come!

  • @RetroFill
    @RetroFill Рік тому +12

    This is amazing! I'll send your videos to my dad. He's a programmer but grew up in Soviet Poland.

  • @ThomasBurns
    @ThomasBurns Рік тому +12

    Awesome work, guys!

  • @anders7317
    @anders7317 Рік тому +12

    I just love the Volkov Commander! Priceless! Someone was probably set to make a identical application as Norton Commander, in the old Soviet. Amazing.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому +8

      That was the point, Vsevolod Volkov did not want to steal, he wanted to make it better, eventually, 64 kb and two files is something. There is one more rework of NC, called FAR (File And Archive manager), which if we remember correctly is windows app, but looks like NC.

    • @anders7317
      @anders7317 Рік тому +4

      @@ChernobylFamily Thank you for the reply, and the clarification! 😀

    • @viznut
      @viznut Рік тому +9

      Volkov Commander was circulating around the local BBSes in Finland in the early 1990s. I already had Norton Commander at the time, but Volkov ran so much faster on my 8086 that I switched to it. There had been rumors circulating about ex-Soviet programmers being superior to Westerners because of the need to compensate for the slower hardware, and Volkov Commander kind of proved this rumor to be true.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому +3

      Amazing story!

  • @davidkirby2579
    @davidkirby2579 Рік тому +6

    I loved Digger when I was a kid! So neat to learn that people on the other side of the world were also playing it! Thank you for sharing.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому +5

      Thank you for sharing your memories! Well, we even have been playing Star Trek on IBM/370 mainframe clones (but a funny detail that behind the Iron Curtain a few knew what the Star Trek world was)

  • @telocho
    @telocho Рік тому +7

    Old western XT keyboards also had just 10 Function keys, AT keyboards started with the 12 keys. Some XT were based on the cheaper 8088 not 8086.

  • @muppetpaster
    @muppetpaster Рік тому +8

    Loved the sarcasm on the "gold" pins... Also love machines like these nowadays... Keep it up!!

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому

      Yeah... you should see my face when i pulled that out... thank you, we will!

    • @gordonwelcher9598
      @gordonwelcher9598 Рік тому +3

      The HDD controller chip can be repaired.
      Just solder wires to what remains of the leads and mount it on a dip header.
      The ceramic package is hermetically sealed so everything should be ok inside.

  • @curtisvaughan8955
    @curtisvaughan8955 Рік тому +10

    Takes me back to the 90s when I used a Soviet computer for producing a monthly English language business bulletin in St. Petersburg. A big noisy machine and printer, but it got the job done.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому +2

      Yes, totally understandable feeling :)

    • @curtisvaughan8955
      @curtisvaughan8955 Рік тому +2

      @@ChernobylFamily я хотел бы вспомнить, какой компьютер я тогда же использовал....

    • @hellome4219
      @hellome4219 Рік тому +2

      How about Pentium in early 90-ies, were they not noisy?Maybe some of the Soviet pc's were brought to US in the late 80-ies, and rebranded as " US technology"? :)

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому +1

      Objectively, fans used in this very machine are industrial 220V with a very high power as for so tiny PSU. They are really notably noisier than common 12V ones.

    • @BoraHorzaGobuchul
      @BoraHorzaGobuchul 24 дні тому

      My first machine used for similar purposes (mainly DTP, graphics, spreadsheets, and word processing for a western nonprofit) in the mid-nineties was a 486dx50, with a whopping 330mb scsci HDD, coupled with a wonderful -ozone maker- HP LJ IV iirc. Those were the days... Went to the US for a year a couple of years later on a school exchange program, where I saw such wonders as the internet, iomega zip drives, cameras that take pictures on a floppy disk, next pizza box computer, macs in the school lab.

  • @PCRetroTech
    @PCRetroTech Рік тому +7

    Fantastic stuff. You did an amazing job filming the CRT, except you had some funny reflections of the past. Very funny how that happened. But seriously, keep up the amazing work!

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому +2

      Well, with CRT here we finally could use different - better - equipment... still much to learn, never did this kind of records in the past! Thank you for your words!

  • @topazadam
    @topazadam Рік тому +4

    This is incredible. Huge congratulations on a wonderful episode in a fantastic series. Thank you.

  • @terobal
    @terobal Рік тому +4

    I love this!!! I followed instantly and I'm very excited to see what kind of videos you're going to make in future and the development of this channel! I'm from Latvia and I love old tech and was interested in Cherobyl disaster since childhood. Thank you for this great video! ❤️

  • @korolchukpp
    @korolchukpp Рік тому +8

    24:55 - Что правда, то правда! Возврат в детство))
    Восстановили, красиво всё отняли! Молодцы!

  • @replikvltyoutube3727
    @replikvltyoutube3727 Рік тому +16

    You should document the hardware as much as possible and publish everything, it would be useful to create an emulator of this machine

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому +4

      There is a package for MAME emulator AFAIK. Neverheless, we are translating documentation we have and will for beginning put it in Patreon. We also are contacting various institutions whether still have schematics. We'd love to rebuild this on a modern component base in the future with all extensions, as we still have .0100 controller we cannot run (check the ep 2)

  • @ivanenkovictor
    @ivanenkovictor Рік тому +9

    Классное произношение 👍 и как приятно услышать знакомый звук загрузки с дискет.

  • @coldcathode76477
    @coldcathode76477 Рік тому +9

    Good work. Keep it up. 👍

  • @NuculearFallout1
    @NuculearFallout1 10 місяців тому +3

    Your videos are fantastic and very fascinating. I really enjoy these old Soviet computing videos !

  • @lemagreengreen
    @lemagreengreen Рік тому +9

    Very interesting! Soviet computer tech of this era is fascinating for us geeks because it's all new to us. Mostly clones of western machines of course but undeniably interesting.

  • @WalterFabian
    @WalterFabian Рік тому +2

    Subscriber number 845 here: Glad that YT suggested your channel!. Please, keep the good work!

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому +2

      God bless the algorithm! Welcome! We have here a lot of stuff, occasionally offer free drinks, and we love Chernobyl zone. Hope, you will like this!

  • @werdnativ
    @werdnativ 9 місяців тому +2

    The "Popcorn" theme music in the game reminds me of "Nu, Pogodi!"

  • @DmitryEljuseev
    @DmitryEljuseev Рік тому +4

    Thanks for sharing, good memories. This was the first computer, I saw at school in the 90s :) As I remember, it was running standard MS-DOS and Norton Commander as a shell. And yes, at the beginning of the 90s much more powerful computers like 80286/80386 were already available, but schools did not have a budget for that, a difference in life quality between East and West.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому +1

      Thank you! It is a lovely machine, gives feelings..)

  • @Underestimated37
    @Underestimated37 Рік тому +13

    Impressive! I was under the impression that a lot of the systems from that era were based on the PDP-11 architecture, but I guess the absolute best and newest possible stuff would have been brought into use in key industries like that.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому +11

      Thank you! By the way, in the scope of Chornobyl and the NPP in particular most of computers were PDP-11-compatible. We started with ES, as this is an architecture we know more. But, there will be PDP machines in the series as well, and a lot. Stay tuned!

    • @KrisDouglas
      @KrisDouglas Рік тому +2

      @@ChernobylFamily Ohhhh, I am looking forward to this. You are doing amazing work.

  • @RapperBC
    @RapperBC Рік тому +2

    @11:58 it's the apparatchiks!! 😆🤣😂😂 👏👏👏👏👏

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому

      Well, that word normally was used not for the highest officials, but technically you are correct :))

  • @BlackEpyon
    @BlackEpyon 2 місяці тому +1

    Looking at the expansion cards at the back there reminds me of a Tandy 2000, which was a non-ISA compatible 80186-based PC.

  • @kemi242
    @kemi242 Рік тому +17

    Hi, I've just discovered your channel, and already love it! As an Eastern Block kid, I feel pretty nostalgic about old Soviet tech. Please stay safe in Ukraine!

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому +2

      Thank you! Check our another series and stay tuned - this weekend will come more :)

    • @juandager5220
      @juandager5220 Рік тому

      What is an "Eastern Block kid"? Did you play Dendy?

    • @Ajrocket
      @Ajrocket 5 днів тому +1

      @@juandager5220 Dendy is Russian, eastern bloc is not only Russia.

    • @juandager5220
      @juandager5220 5 днів тому

      ​@@Ajrocket Yes, I am aware that Russia was part of the Eastern Block. It was a friendly question. The ZX Spectrum was popular in the UK. Sega had control of Brazil and parts of South America. Nintendo had an edge in the USA for some time. Then Sony took over Japan in the mid 90s and the rest is history.
      So where was "Soviet tech" made? Where could you buy a Dendy? And what did you play?

    • @Ajrocket
      @Ajrocket 5 днів тому +1

      @@juandager5220 I did not play anything, since I was born in 2003, but computers we were producing were Didaktik (not bad), IQ 151 (total crap), PMD88 (pretty alright) and then AT computers in Slušovice. There were also few other computers, but these were not that known. Stuff USSR made I don't know very well, that's why I watch this channel, but as Alex said, they were usually crap since USSR did not care.

  • @derekchristenson5711
    @derekchristenson5711 Рік тому +3

    Neat! I liked that you showed it running a "Dig Dug" (or is it more "Bolder Dash"?) type of game, although I admit that I don't remember seeing that game in the old days. I'll have to look it up!

  • @ZaneChandy
    @ZaneChandy 11 місяців тому +1

    Great video. Thank you for sharing!

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  11 місяців тому

      Glad that you liked! Check also other episodes!

  • @hansscahdata6642
    @hansscahdata6642 Рік тому +1

    Retrofeeeling from the First Seconds...Nice done.😊

  • @KrisDouglas
    @KrisDouglas Рік тому +3

    Amazing! Well done!

  • @ChevyBM
    @ChevyBM Рік тому +1

    I still remember the sound of these old printers :) Cool video!

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому

      in a few weeks (we hope) we will make one more episode about this computer, because we got more original peripherals and software, so it is time for an update. So we got two different original printers! They are even cooler than what you have seen in this video :)

  • @neilclay5835
    @neilclay5835 Рік тому +1

    Wow, great effort!

  • @Lofote
    @Lofote Рік тому +5

    20:03 As a FAR Manager user still today (and Norton Commander back in the DOS days) this brings up a very familiar screen to me :)...
    07:50 Interesting, that the programs in Chernobyl display funny animations for the program logos :-D

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому +2

      Haha, that is nothing comparing to Delograf. When in full 16 colors, that animation is changing backgrounds with a speed which may cause a stroke for certain users.

    • @redtex
      @redtex Рік тому +2

      I'm using Midnight Commander at now.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому +1

      @@redtex good choice!

  • @jonathanbuzzard1376
    @jonathanbuzzard1376 Рік тому +6

    An XT keyboard only has F1-F10, it was not until the AT came out that they added F11 and F12. I am sure Chyrosran22 would love to review the keyboard

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому +1

      Interesting, we did not know that! Thank you!

    • @josephkanowitz6875
      @josephkanowitz6875 Рік тому +2

      ב''ה, probably not relevant to this video, but *at least* by the time of the release of the real IBM AT, some 8088/8086/V20 clones (more XT-like) were offering F11 and F12, possibly not with the AT standard scancodes. The Tandy 1000SX, sort of an enhanced PCjr clone, was common enough and where my personal familiarity comes from, but "no-name" clones from this intermediate era could leave you very puzzled whether they were using the XT or AT electrical interface when needing to replace a keyboard.

  • @alexis-nicole
    @alexis-nicole Рік тому +1

    Awesome video! I love old computers! Good job to both of you!

  • @sorinichim4737
    @sorinichim4737 Рік тому +2

    Hi Mihaela and Alex ! It is amazing how technology was back into those days !

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому

      We are glad that you liked! Check also newer episodes, we have much more :)

  • @kaitlyn__L
    @kaitlyn__L Рік тому +3

    I love all that dry language in the instructions. Reminds me of British Rail, or other such state-run industries until the 1980s. So funny how bureaucracy's gonna bureaucracy, no matter the other factors.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому +1

      Well, sometimes there is some point into being strict that much, but the reason of my gag in a video is that while what was pictured on a screen in that example is still so-so ok, the paper documentation for this computer is... something. It is very interesting that the main designer of ES1840, 1841 and 1842 eventually wrote a super user-friendly colorful book about these computers which explains everything normally and with good illustrations. Probably, he was also not super happy with the standards of that time :)

  • @MetalTiger88
    @MetalTiger88 Рік тому +6

    This reminds me of the computers in fallout 3😅 i love these old pc's and crt screens, greetings from germany🙂

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому +1

      Thank you! Greetings from Ukraine!

    • @MrKevin920
      @MrKevin920 Рік тому +1

      If you been to Pripyat it totally reminded me of Fallout 3 there was a market with old full soda bottles exactly like in Fallout! So many bottle caps to buy things

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому +1

      There were months when when we spent more time in Pripyat that out of it.....)

  • @scitobor
    @scitobor Рік тому +1

    Thank you for this videos. I love to see this operating again :)

  • @Dra1n__TV
    @Dra1n__TV Рік тому +1

    Amazing piece of history, very cool to see working!

  • @alistermunro7090
    @alistermunro7090 Рік тому +3

    I was writing COBOL / ASM using an 8086 PC with an amber screen ~37 years ago. I think the screen could toggle mono, green or amber and amber was the easiest on the eyes. This reminds me of these good old days.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому

      Thank you for your memories! We find this toggle feature amazing, it really saves eyes.

    • @msotil
      @msotil Рік тому +1

      Both the green and amber characters would give you a headache, but the headache from the green was much worse.

  • @user-dn8zf1iw7s
    @user-dn8zf1iw7s Рік тому +6

    Дякую! It's very creative! Amazing! Помню, как в конце 80-х летел домой, окрыленный первой работающей программой, которую мне к тому-же разрешили взять домой на дискете 5.25. Воспоминания прям нахлынули. Я тогда работал, правда, с оригинальной IBM 286. Да и доктором стал, а не инженером. Но все равно спасибо за воспоминания. Отличная идея контента и реализация, подача. Супер! Дякую Вам ще раз! Натхнення! Вітання із Замбії!

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому +1

      Oh wow! Thank you for such a story, and greetings to you!

    • @b213videoz
      @b213videoz Рік тому +1

      Моя мама дуже хотiла щоб з мене вирiс лiкар 😁

  • @jakubkrcma
    @jakubkrcma Рік тому +2

    20:52 Memory map

  • @dbagnis
    @dbagnis Рік тому +1

    Wow!.. Amazing!..I used Norton Commander in Argentina at those times. What a marvelous time. It's too bad what happened at Chernobyl. Super nice video!... Thank you very much.

  • @warclan5429
    @warclan5429 Рік тому +9

    I got into computers and motherboard design during late 1989. Knowing the designs and chips at the time. These computers were from the 1985 earlier. Thesd Look pretty actual for the age. The interesting thing is that computers stored and rusted still work contrary to the newest computers that break after 5-7 years of use.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому

      This is an interesting insight. Your point is very true. How do you think, what is the reason behind this? I mean, a phenomenon of a controlled aging is a well-known fact, but if take a look to back the 80-s, was it keeping of a good old quality approach or just non-understanding that this hardware will become obsolete?

    • @warclan5429
      @warclan5429 Рік тому +3

      @@ChernobylFamily the solution is simple. During the 1980's TTL technology was very robust In terms of materials, copper printed circuit boards, no organic capacitors or materials that degraded from heat and temperature. The quality was very good. The latest computer design is made to overheat and degrade the materials like electrolytic capacitors. Everything that should not be done, it is done intentionally at the design level. I remember HP making circuit boards with integrated GPU that burned the boards after hours of playing high intensive graphic applications because they did not provide a correct heat dissipator.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому

      @@warclan5429 thank you! It's very interesting.

    • @sebastian19745
      @sebastian19745 Рік тому +2

      @@ChernobylFamily I had an romanian XT clone (Felix PC). Its case was made of thick steel sheet and weighted a lot. Some proprietary connectors, yes but it was compatible hardware and software with western computers. Its quality was outstanding, I got it after more that 20 years from its fabrication date and it was in excellent condition. Used for some 5-10 years then stored in a warehouse because was obsolete, its paint protected it from corrosion, the PCB was protected with some resin and only thing that I needed to swap was an IC that got one leg corroded. The floppy was only in need of cleaning and lubrication. Had no HDD but with an regular IDE MFM card I added two 20M HDDs. I sold it and kept only a PSU (AT style) that I got as spare; that PSU worked many years, without recapping or adjusting and powered 286, 386 and my last 5x86@133 motherboard fully populated, with 3 HDD and one CD-ROM without problems. I think it was 120-150W.
      I know for a fact that at that time there were no (major) shortcuts from quality; an object was also made and bought to be used for many years and no just to replace an out-of-the-fashion one or to upgrade an working one. I knew people that bought theirs first color TV only when theirs B&W one broke, when color TVs were on the market since many 5-6 years.
      I also went in 4 years from 286 up to 486 (that fully upgraded to 5x86) that I used until 2005 and only then upgraded to an (cheap and upgrade-able with parts that I already had) P1@166 just because some games could not run. But Windows and all the programs I used worked just fine on my 486.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому +1

      @@sebastian19745 Felix rings a bell for me. Thank you for such a wonderful story, it is genuinely intestering, because these was not available for us.

  • @hgbugalou
    @hgbugalou Рік тому +5

    The soviets figured out how to corrode "gold". 😂

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому +3

      Yes. Like from that old joke about a soviet guy locked in a room with 2 metal balls: "One ball I broke, and the second I... lost".

  • @grat-os
    @grat-os Рік тому +1

    This is amazing! Keep up the good work

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому

      Thank you! Check also other episodes, there are more about this machine before and after this one, including some really little known details.

  • @DmytroKovalchuk-pg5zc
    @DmytroKovalchuk-pg5zc Рік тому +2

    Great work!

  • @ChitlinsLaundry
    @ChitlinsLaundry Рік тому +3

    Michaela is lovely, well done mate ❤

  • @ericgorder1
    @ericgorder1 Рік тому +9

    This is so cool! It brings me back to childhood games of the 80's. And these childhood games being played on a Soviet computer makes it more enjoyable! Love from Minnesota, USA! Slava Ukraine! 💙💛

  • @PIONNER-INFO
    @PIONNER-INFO Рік тому +1

    See Mr.Doo game running in this old Soviet Era computer is amazing.

  • @FrethKindheart
    @FrethKindheart Рік тому +2

    We played Digger back in 1988-89 on our high school computers.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому

      Did it on Poisk-1 Ukrainian-made machine and then on Poisk-2 in the school:) so bright feeling!

  • @lucutes2936
    @lucutes2936 Рік тому +4

    Looks just like Fallout

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому +2

      Haha, and tje things we gonna do next weeks will look even more! Thank you!

  • @UA_dmitriy_dimidrow
    @UA_dmitriy_dimidrow Рік тому +4

    БЛя !! Играл в DIGGER! в далеком 1993 году ! у кого-то дома , вместо монитора использовался телевизор Электрон чернобелый . Из-за нечеткого изображения "думал" , что управляю кротом ! ))

  • @twinshobbytwinshobby3863
    @twinshobbytwinshobby3863 Рік тому +2

    Много интерестно Видео .Поздрави от България

  • @abqcleve
    @abqcleve Рік тому +2

    It’s utterly inexplicable to my wife, but yours is one of the most amazing channels on YT. Part of it is you’re covering a period when I was cutting my teeth on tech (with a TI 99-A), part of it is the past tragedy of the plant disaster, part is the current outrage in Ukraine, and a big part is the utter charm of Alex and Michaela. The breadth of your coverage and ingenuity in presenting these, from computers to the abandoned babushka, is astounding. Thank you!!

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому +1

      Thank you for your warm and motivating words. The thing is, the diversity of subjects you can find on this channel come from the diversity of Chornobyl as a social, cultural, historical, and technological phenomenon. When you are in there, it becomes overwhelming how many aspects it has and how many events happened (and are happening) there at the same time. So this is our attempt to present this to people around.

  • @gordonwelcher9598
    @gordonwelcher9598 Рік тому +4

    The HDD controller chip can be repaired.
    Just solder wires to what remains of the leads and mount it on a dip header.
    The ceramic package is hermetically sealed so everything should be ok inside.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому

      The trouble is, the chip appeared to be dead. I used all earthing-related precautions as well as low-power iron and low-temp solder to do that, but the chip did not work. Seems, will need to find it elsewhere:((

    • @ochykysh
      @ochykysh Рік тому +2

      @@ChernobylFamily Socket also needs to be replaced as it's corroded inside. Now hopefully you can use a 2.54 socket and don't have to search for 2.50 ones.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому

      @@ochykysh You have a right point, but.. mm it is so risky, I mean, these boards are 8-layers, and the quality is so-so, often when ylu solder them, entire connection between the layers falls apart. Will ask my way more skilled friend to check it.

    • @ochykysh
      @ochykysh Рік тому +2

      You sure about 8 layers? AT stuff usually used 2-4 layers. What you (or friend) can do is carefully cut the socket out without touching the soldering points and very carefully solder the new socket on top of the stumps. The old socket needs to be removed as corrosion on the data lines will lead to very strange issues. Testing with a multi-meter is not enough, as the bad connection drops the amplitude of the data impulse, but still registers as "connected" by a multi-meter.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому +3

      @@ochykysh Absolutely sure. This is not only written on each board itself, but confirmed by developers whom we met.

  • @icannotbeseen
    @icannotbeseen Рік тому +6

    Well that was super cool! I hope you can fix that hard drive, would love to see it work. I knew the Soviets had computers alright, but I didn't think they'd be IBM compatibles, I thought they used a completely different thing. you never get to hear about IT history east of the UK, glad to see someone is filling that niche! :D
    Also I guess I know now where the word "Kombinat" came from - I live in East Germany (or what used to be the GDR anyway) next to an oil/chemical "Kombinat", I always thought that's a German word. totally small detail I know 😂

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому +1

      Thank you! We seems found a source for a replacement, so let's hope for the best.
      Soon - an episode about a Chernobyl computer from KOMBINAT Robotron ;))

    • @kaitlyn__L
      @kaitlyn__L Рік тому

      A lot of western computer nerds act like it was nothing but PDP-11 clones. I knew for about 7? 8? years that actually, everything was cloned! From a ZX Spectrum to big mainframes.

  • @a.guadarrama3852
    @a.guadarrama3852 8 місяців тому +2

    For a PC with "low quality" cloned components, it works very well after so long

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  8 місяців тому

      Yes, though to be honest we had to combine four machines in one sp it works... but it is lovely.

  • @primmanet
    @primmanet Рік тому +1

    Excellent! Many thanks!

  • @alexisg311
    @alexisg311 Рік тому +3

    Historia de la informática antigua. Gracias por el trabajo.

  • @-maden86
    @-maden86 8 місяців тому +3

    Невероятно приятно за таким наблюдать, особенно за вашей улыбкой когда вы играли) спасибо за такое приятное видео

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  8 місяців тому +2

      Thank you...) check also our newer episodes!

  • @markpitts5194
    @markpitts5194 Рік тому +2

    Loving your stuff already. I'm just warming a Z80 up to make my own CP/M machine. Stay safe!

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому

      Thank you Mark! We will! If you want to try M86 clone, let us know - we'll drop its .IMA somewhere. Or join us on patreon - there will be downloads on this.

  • @bobwatson957
    @bobwatson957 10 місяців тому +1

    Hi Michaela, Alex. Its a great bit of Soviet computing history.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  10 місяців тому

      Thank you..! At some point we will have a continuation about networking based on this.

  • @RB-pp9cx
    @RB-pp9cx Рік тому +3

    Algorithm brought me here, extremely happy it did!

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому +1

      God bless the algorithm! Welcome, we will have a lot of intetesting Chernobyl-related videos!

  • @edwinguerraavendano1019
    @edwinguerraavendano1019 Рік тому +6

    Awesome video about a computer from the Chernobyl zone!!!! I'm very impressed about the "other side of the wall" computing equipment and how URSS replied the US systems...
    Blessings and greetings from Venezuela!!! God bless Ukraine!!!! #SlavaUkraini!!!

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому

      Thank you! There will be more machines here, we had a lot of Western that time as well, but these are really interesting - glad you liked!

  • @samueldegrandi6603
    @samueldegrandi6603 Рік тому +1

    you guys seem very happy doing your job
    great work

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому +1

      Well, Chernobyl is a life for us, not a job, so...) thank you!

    • @samueldegrandi6603
      @samueldegrandi6603 Рік тому +1

      @@ChernobylFamily that's a nice answer haha

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому +1

      @@samueldegrandi6603 however, true. There were years when we spent inside more time than outside...)

  • @OrionSYoung
    @OrionSYoung 9 місяців тому +1

    This is really awesome. I want one in my collection now. I love your language it looks and sounds cool.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  9 місяців тому

      Thank you! Well, we have one such computer we can sell, but it is really not cheap.

  • @sheep1ewe
    @sheep1ewe Рік тому +3

    Thank You! This was interesting! i remember Digger was my sisters favorite game too, ha ha

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому +1

      A few our fellas told how they were playing Digger in 1990 in Pripyat. What a surrealism!

    • @sheep1ewe
      @sheep1ewe Рік тому +1

      @@ChernobylFamily That was a realy cool story! I am old enough to clearly remember 1986 and the toxic rains here... A lot of moose meat, berries and mushrooms had to be discarded for years after.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому +1

      @@sheep1ewe well, yes. In the future we are going to make an episode about fallout in Sweden. Or better to say, reaction to fallout in Sweden as it was handled in Chornobyl.

    • @sheep1ewe
      @sheep1ewe Рік тому +1

      @@ChernobylFamily That would be interesting! I live in the north east which i think where a lot more affected than the south. I newer felt any anger, just curiosity about it and the importance of long therm planning and sustainability of human activities, whatever it is nuclear reactions or every day items that will accumulate over time.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому +1

      @@sheep1ewe Tomorrow will check one document we have, a very detailed caesium atlas of the world. So we can check which region is more affected.

  • @NiqOlasTV
    @NiqOlasTV Рік тому +3

    Are you aware of any Mazovias AT systems were used in Chernobyl plant?
    There were some rumours that USSR imported some of that machines from Poland to adapt in state institutions like, well.. nuclear power plants because of better made quality than internal Soviet production.
    P.S I hope you guys are safe and if you would need anything from Poland even not connected with retrocomputing, please contact!

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому +1

      Personally did not find references about Mazovias. But what was wildely used are MERA terminals for CM1420. We will have episode about MERA equipment at some point, so thank you for the offer - maybe, will need some parts!

  • @vvg916happyengineer
    @vvg916happyengineer Рік тому +1

    Top Notch video. Amazing, I understood, but also didnt understand much. But overall this is amazing. Thank you for restoring.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому

      Thank you! Just in order to improve: non-understanding was because of a my bad English, or?

    • @vvg916happyengineer
      @vvg916happyengineer Рік тому +1

      @@ChernobylFamily no, i lost attention and i dont know much computer science or instructions, also add to that the obvious back and forth due to software. But its not that big issue. 😇😇🙏🙏

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому

      Thank you! Check please our newer videos as well.

  • @Ty_Mathieson
    @Ty_Mathieson Рік тому +1

    I like the sweaty soviet overlay, dealing with his general PC.

  • @rsmrsm2000
    @rsmrsm2000 Рік тому +3

    uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
    @mazing !!!
    d++++++++
    it's truly incredible to see one of these working

  • @goeblbloeh1006
    @goeblbloeh1006 Рік тому +3

    maybe you could bypass the corroded USSR gold-contacts of the chip with soldered wires - looks manageable...?! A socket for this chip might be easier to get?

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому

      Tried. The chip itself is bad.

    • @Underestimated37
      @Underestimated37 Рік тому

      Disappointing! Maybe someone could uncap the chip and burn a replacement.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому

      @@Underestimated37 we'll ask ukrainian retro-computer community, maybe they have a replacement - if your idea won't work, and the idea is good.

  • @Philfluffer
    @Philfluffer 9 місяців тому +1

    It was incredibly slow drawing that pie chart predominantly because it was missing the arithmetic logic coprocessor. Drawing round objects uses significant amounts of trigonometry (cos, sine, tangent, etc), calculus, and go old algebra.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  9 місяців тому

      Very true. Hope to find that chip finally.

  • @hmistry
    @hmistry Рік тому +2

    Oh the memories. I loved my 8088! MASSIVE 20 Megabyte Hard Drive. my 640kb Gaming days! Fantastic video! Thanks

  • @AndrewAHayes
    @AndrewAHayes Рік тому +3

    What was the result of Y2K with this machine did it just roll over?

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому +2

      Oh my god, we did not test!!! Let us try tomorrow, we'll write that! Thank you for such a brilliant question, seriously!

  • @vegapiratradiovpr425
    @vegapiratradiovpr425 Рік тому +4

    шикарный комп!

  • @binaryguru
    @binaryguru Рік тому +1

    I played digger ALOT when I was very young. I played it on a computerized cable TV service called Videoway. It was an identical port.

  • @envitech02
    @envitech02 Рік тому +2

    How cool!!! I never even knew the Soviets used computers or even manufactured them, hardware and software.!! It has never even occurred to me. Great video!!

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому

      Thank you! Check two previous episodes and google who is Viktor Glushkov. You will like that :)

  • @shadimurwi7170
    @shadimurwi7170 Рік тому +4

    Dont eat human hair

  • @byteforever7829
    @byteforever7829 Рік тому +2

    I love you guys amazing how you get this working after all those years

  • @ralphups7782
    @ralphups7782 Рік тому +2

    "vintage computer federation forums ",is a good site to explore and share questions ideas too

  • @frk88888
    @frk88888 8 місяців тому +1

    Its my first PC. It contained Seagate 20Mb HDD and mouse. Also according to an old USSR book there was available a voice recognition extension hardware module.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  8 місяців тому

      Yes, we have a detailed video on those cards, it is old, but interesting - check it out. We could even meet one of developers of those cards.

  • @H3wastooshort
    @H3wastooshort Рік тому +1

    Very cool video. Small suggestion: I suggest adding a notch audio filter to video sections with CRTs running to filter out the roughly 15khz noise they make. you may not be able to hear it but younger viewer can. checking with a spectrogram program can help verify that its gone

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому

      Super thanks for your advice! A few other viewers also noted that, we, unfortunately, did not hear that even.

    • @juandager5220
      @juandager5220 Рік тому

      What's the noise? Background static? Like White noise?

  • @ryabov912
    @ryabov912 8 місяців тому +1

    Great job! 👍🏻

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  8 місяців тому

      Thanks! Check also newer episodes, this one is sooo old already :)

    • @ryabov912
      @ryabov912 8 місяців тому

      @@ChernobylFamily k😉

  • @manuels9747
    @manuels9747 Рік тому +1

    I am 55 years old and I am crying because of the resurrection of Norton Commander.

  • @Damien.D
    @Damien.D Рік тому

    Contrarily to the pins of your hard drive controller chip, this channel is pure gold ;)
    And this chip can be fixed! With a steady hand, it is possible to solder tiny bits of cut components legs (the bits that flies away everywhere when working with thru holes components....). Even if the original pin is broken at the edge of the package, it is possible to file it and have a contact point to solder. I've saved many hard to find chips for vintage pinball machines and ROMs chips this way. Even managed to fix a glass dot matrix display!

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому

      Thank you! In fact with incredible efforts we could find a replacement. There is one episode about ES1841 planned, where we will test it, as well as try network connectivity and some more cool things, so... gonna be interesting!

  • @iphonerefurbitalia1614
    @iphonerefurbitalia1614 Рік тому +1

    thank you guys!!

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому +1

      Thank you for coming here! There will be much more - subscribe!

  • @Twenty_Six_Hundred
    @Twenty_Six_Hundred Рік тому +1

    love it, great stuff and very interesting

  • @NalleRooth
    @NalleRooth 9 місяців тому

    This is amazing, I really enjoyed the video!
    This reminds me of exploring big piles of random software, back in the early nineties. As a nine year old boy from Sweden, I had no understanding of English - so menus and user interfaces were just as hard to understand back then, as something written in russian is today!

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  9 місяців тому

      Thank you for your feedback and the story shared! Well, this is an old one...) We have a few more episodes about this machine, though.

  • @MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive
    @MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive Рік тому +1

    That keyboard is beautiful and looks like a modern expensive custom build.

    • @ChernobylFamily
      @ChernobylFamily  Рік тому +1

      To be honest, it is surprising:) Our personal opinion - this keyboard but in its military version for ES1845 is way better. This one has such a type of keys that you really need to strike to the center of them, not really convenient.