What if They don't Need You? || P4G Analysis - Kou Ichijou
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- Опубліковано 3 чер 2022
- Kou Ichijou is one of 2 strength social links in Persona 4. In Persona 4 Golden, Kou is the basketball player of the sports club choices, and a surprisingly well written highlight of P4 and P4G. Wow this video is long! I hope you like it! The Strength Arcana, the strength confidant. Persona! Wow!!
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"I looooove them balls" - kou
I really loved kou's social link it was just really interesting, I think it was one of the first social links I fully completed. like every single time I could hang out with him I did. he was a really interesting character for me
He's Got a lot of depth to him right from the moment you meet him. The way his link unfolds is really interesting as well
@@HidinginPrivate yeah a lot of the things you pointed out in the beginning I had completely missed, and how the social link gets into some of the problems really early on made me really confused when it was an early rank lol.
You are criminally underrated for how much work you’re putting in chief
I need a magical algorithm video
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We need an algorythmic fusion spell!!!!
Agree
Kou is easily one of my fav social links outside of the investigation team. Has a lot of depth and intertwines so many other plotlines really well.
It's really cool just how deeply he's intertwined to so many parts of the game while still being entirely optional
"You don't find yourself, you MAKE yourself!" -Ulala Serizawa
Her quote here applies to Kou, too. Or at least I think so.
I love Ichijou. He's my favorite social link. Back in 2015 I created a concept of what I thought Shadow Kou would look like. I would like to share the image with all of you here, but youtube does allow links in comments. So I'll try my best to describe it to you.
Kou's TV world is a televised basketball tournament taking the form of a royal palace and fairground. It's a play on how basketball has a "court". (Keep in mind, this was before Kamoshida was a thing). Shadow Kou's humanoid, pre-boss form wears a lavish bedtime robe, but his body is nearly transparent, fading away. It's an inversion of the "emperor has no clothes" trope, an invisible body with incredible clothing invoking a high station. At all times he is holding a silent baby wrapped in binds, who is the true ruler of the palace. Shadow Kou is just the royal caretaker and magician. His final trick will be making Kou disappear.
Shadow Kou: "You danced the dance. You jumped through all the right hoops. And now its time for your final performance. You must disappear... for her sake... their sake. Your very existence brings forth scandal, gossip and whispers that threatens her ladyship's blissful slumber. Would it not be kinder for everyone involved to simply let the fog swallow up the complications? Let them be a happy ordinary family without your presence. Yes. With you gone, she may be raised alone...as expected any first-born would... "
"Enough! Hecklers will not be tolerated! If you insist on interfering I will be forced to make you disappear as well!"
His boss form is a basketball hoop monster. The base of the hoop takes the form of severe-looking bed. Its bedframe is metallic and its mattress looks uncomfortable, like something you'd see in an orphanage. The feet of the bed take the form of grotesques baby arms and legs. The monster has six boney metal arms coming out of its torso. Two of them guard, arms outstretched. Two dribble a basketball between each other, sometimes throwing them. The final two hold up a baby crib like its the most precious thing in the world. Above the crib is an exaggeratedly large basketball hoop taking the form of a crib toy-dangler. The hoop is draped in white knitted cross-weaving making it look like a basketball net. Dangling from it are several stuffed, circus animals. An lion, a monkey, an elephant, and finally Shadow Kou himself. He and the other toys revolve around the baby's crib. He does a quick revolving motion whenever he casts spells.
Kou's persona would be the Caduceus, and evolve into Asclepius, god of medicine. Using mostly physical and healing spells.
Interesting. A Shadow that’s of two halves with the main ruler being the representation of someone else much like Shadow Wakaba being the true ruler of Futaba’s Palace because the main Shadow doesn’t hold itself in high enough esteem to be the ruler.
I've always loved how the friendships in Persona 4 seem so genuine compared to the other games, and nothing shows that better imo than Kou and Daisuke's relationship with Yu. I chose Kou's link my first playthrough and it almost made me cry (Naoki's was the one that did it for me). He's such a good guy, and his story is surprisingly complex for a character outside of the main storyline. I love the analysis, and I can't wait for next week's!
I really love Kou’s social link. I have a ton of friends who are adopted, so it was great seeing a well rounded character whose personhood included being a child of a knowing adoption. So many stories brush off adoption in exchange of the biological family (sometimes even referring to the biological as “their real parents”) or have it as a surprise twist. Not only is Kou knowingly adopted, he’s an example of a later in life adoption because he clearly remembers a time before his adoption. That’s such a rare representation in media!
This is a strange case of P5 making a P4 social link even better. Learning about the politics surrounding adoption and orphans/parentless children through those characters really demonstrates how fantastic Kou’s family is.
They’re a family. Vices, virtues, and other whatnot, they’re in this together. That’s all that matters.
in a sentence, "if a burden given to you is part of your identity, what happens when they take it away"
also another thing i picked up on - you mentioned "kou chan" for a sort of infantalisation but at the same time the basic rebellious nature of a child is what fueled him for the first half of his slink.
Kou is one of my fave links, after Yosuke. Kou is actually the 1st social link I teeechnically finished, not Yosuke (Yosuke was my 2nd finished link but my first completed team member).
I loved how complex his story was as well as his character. It also, narratively, asks a lot of big questions about the self, purpose, and life. Funnily enough, Kou feels like a positive mirror to Akechi in P5 and I feel that would be a VERY interesting analysis, specifically both on self-identity and the Japanese adoption system and even the city vs the country as around the world, when you compare the two there are distinct differences and cultures which can impact people for better or worse.
I love this "light mirror" to Akechi take. It's not one I've looked at before
I remember when I had my first playthrough, I wound up going with Kou for the strength arcana, and wound up being very engrossed in his story. very good analysis on his social link
I’ve always chosen Daisuke’s link over Kou’s so this was very interesting to watch!
As much as I love Daisuke, I think Kou's might be one of the most fleshed out in the entire series
But why tho? Kou is so much prettier than Daisuke
@@makes58 the idea of it just brings back some bad memories from when I was on my school’s basketball team LMFAO
@@makes58 I agree with this sentiment
@@makes58 as much as that's true, I do love daiske. 10/10 friend to kou, I like their dynamic which is a big part of it
I really love how this series makes me see certain characters more interesting than before, I already liked Kou but this really makes him like one of the better social links in general
13:05 I'd even say that he has his informal speak in the translation, as you said, within the clip here
Saying stuff like "y'know" is likely what the translation uses as the example of "speaking like this", rather than formal words vs casual words, or anything akin to that. Contractions vs full words, formal tones instead of just speaking
10:24 Wtf based Kou?! I missed out on this king's s link on my first playthrough as I picked soccer. With that being said, I love Kou even more after watching this video. There's a lot more depth to him than I originally thought and you did a great job of presenting that. I've never been that great at analyzing characters and stuff so these videos are a godsend for me! They're also something I always look forward to for the weekend.
i always did kou's social link on my playthroughs, so its nice see you analyzing him so deeply. love that guy, super underrated character. :)
I've never even played this game, but I love these videos so much since I'm interested in character writing, and this video had me tearing up. Also, the part about how devastating it was for Kou when his parents went from expecting so much of him to nothing was chilling, when I thought about how painful that situation and realization was for Ironmouse. Different circumstances, but both of their stories really show what a huge impact that switch in expectations can have on a kid. Like oh shit, something is really wrong or different now.
Anyways, keep up the good work!
I'm happy to see someone making analysis on some of these side characters. They deserve some attention and explaination. Though, I hope you can do the Investigation Team characters as well.
I get hyped for every new video in the series, this really came at the perfect time as I was having issues looking for good p4 analysis right as this video series was starting :D
I love your videos. Thank you and keep up the hard work.
I really enjoyed this. This was the first of the series I saw and I'm going to start watching the rest of them. Keep up the great work!
Wow. This was beautiful. Back years ago, I played kou's social link on my first replay and doing it over and over. I love it. I cried. Love the video and analysis. Makes me love p4 more!
Man this might be my favorite part of the series thus far. I didn't have the chance to do this social link yet as I've only played through the game once and chose Daisuke, but the perfect balance between summary and analysis made this really investing! Love your work man I'm always excited to see you in my notifications
Highlight of the weekend I swear
Haha well this weekend it's a long one
God you're the most criminally under-watched creator I'm subscribed to
Kou was my fav link when I played P4 and the first one I finished by a long shot. My partner who hadn't played it probably just knew him as "My sports boy" for a long time bcs that's what I'd happily shout when seeing he was available (and sharing a 1 room apartment hearing me was unavoidable)
great analysis
ahhh my weekly dose
loving the vids broski, keep it up!
Thanks! I'm trying hard to!
Great video! I love how detailed you get in these videos
Trying to make it as "ultimate" as I can. Give the full picture atleast what I think can be additive
Amazing job I'm loving every last video
Glad to hear, thry take a lot of work lol
Man this video was pretty interesting!
a deep analysis of the character
I like how you tackled the story n' stuff
keep it up buddy, amazing video
Thanks! Doing my best these past few months to try and get this series done and out!
I really do love Kou and his social link!
I'm glad
Doin the lords work brother. Keep at it! Big fan now!
Your video's never disapoint always look foward to them after a busy week.
After this video this might be one of my favorite link's in persona.
I never knew that writing can be so good when looking at it a little further.
Thanks! As they get longer they require more and more work. This definitely isn't sustainable weekly when the videos are this long or longer. Good thing I made a backlog before I started dropping segments. Glad it might be one of your favorite now, it 's prob one of my top in persona.
@@HidinginPrivate Remember to keep your wits about yourself at all times.
Take your time.
Ok, nice analisis as always put HOLY HAMA! The edition of this video really went up, maybe I only see it in this one because I saw the last one while doing chores, but I really like the edits in this one.
Thank you! Yeah I feel like the few variations of the mask edit were really cool and took a lot of time
Beautiful video, kou was always my favorite
I already said it but these videos are really insightful. Thanks for your observations.
Lemme just eat this subscribe button real quick-Amazing summary!! Fantastic as always
Thanks!
Heyo hiding-kun! New drop is already killer, i missed the last few uploads but I’m already watching the small backlog so expect a bunch of my comments today!
great video! interesting how this video and the Daisuke video work together and again great analysis on the characters story and i also share the appreciation of Atlus games keeping the "chan" "san" and "kun" things and not translating them into English and making it cringe, also it might just be me but the editing on this video seems extra good, just overall a great video good job :-)
Your videos are amazing, keep it up!! I played persona 4 only once so far but I can't believe I've missed out on so many details about the characters. How do you make so good analysis videos?
Beautifully made video, Sir.
Thank you
Man, Kou Daisuke was a surprising complex slink in my p4 NG+ I vibed with it way more than soccer dude's girl troubles.
Wow my previous comment aged well your Kou video is great keep up the good work
Glad you liked it! This was a lot of work and I'll keep working to finish the segments
Amazing video (:
Getting more direct in asking for comments and Likes I see ^.^
Wow. Half an hour of analysis. Good Work!
I feel like a lot of Kou's insecurities during the later half of the Social Link stem from miscommunication. When his adoptive parents made the lessons optional and reduced the pressure of expectations upon him, they probably just wanted to do him a favor.
I agree it was miscommunication, but a very understandable one. Thanks for the continued support!
Kou was the first link i ever maxed out in the persona franchise, great job explaining it.
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Thanks for the Video
Sure!
Keep up the work 👍👍👍
I'll try!
I cannot wait for the 52 hour all encompassing p4g video at the end
Lmao it'll be out eventually
dang the effort is crazy
I'm running up hill and hoping I'll find something good
We all loooove balls. And now we love Kou
I played Daisuke’s route in my playthrough, and even then I loved Kou’s jokes, personality, and how he obviously cared for and supported his friends. Loved seeing this video and understanding his link too! Kou and Daisuke are some of my favorite characters in the persona series. I loved their friendship with Protag.
And they both have really consistent actions in each others’ routes. Great characters and great writing.
Man I need to play this game again. I forgot how good so many of these links are.
Amazing video as always, but I don't know why I have third book event without getting even third social link rank woth Kou. Strangly i don't even have two others book events
hooooo boy 30 minutes.
im ready
Here we go
Not sure if I didn't get the notification or if I mindlessly swiped it but I'm here now
Well welcome now!
i have been really loving all this work
but i wanted to ask, is there a specific number of remaining videos to go and when they are done are you gonna release a mega episode joining them all?
I believe there are 13 segments left. But yes I have pre-written and edited the videos 2 times, one as youtube videos, and one as parts of one giant video. A month after the final part drops I will be dropping the definitive version, which will include a lot of extra information, live action segments, as well as 2 segments that won't be released in standalone video form
@@HidinginPrivate oh that is amazing, thank you for all your work, makes my love for persona 4 become deeper
Kou and Daisuke were amongst my favourite social links
IT'S BEST BASKETBALL BOY TIME BABYYYYY
THE DAY IS FINALLY HEEEERRREE
bit of a weird comment but I've been watching your series in segments (for now will watch the final big one soon) and I've loved every single one (this one being my favourite) however something about the outro music just hits different every time the video ends and I haven't been able to find it so could you send a link? (I know this is a bit of a long winded comment but I felt it'd be disrespectful to just comment give outro music plz)
Pretty boy
Your defense of using Japanese honorifics in the English dubs really won me over.
I was never against them, but I have heard arguments about the usage of honorifics in English (it is appropriation or pandering or illogical or not?).
But your assertion about a full translation taking away some of the original meaning really got me thinking. The idea of things being lost in translation is nothing new, but using a median of translations is a concept I hadn't considered. A compromise of two languages - we get this sort of thing in media like A Clockwork Orange, A Song of Ice and Fire, Avatar (the James Cameron films) and lots of fantasy/sci-fi with mostly English with bits of other language mixed in. And while Persona is also fantastical, its languages are of the real world and can mimic the mix of languages seen in other media.
Bro why did I start to lowkey cry lol
We need more FORKING social links in p6
you are sooo fucking underrated man. god bless
Bless
aahhh kouuuu🙁🙁
feed the algorithmn
I highly enjoyed the bait in switch. I didn't know how to handle kou dilemma and then when he's casted asied it made it easier but clearly was alot worse on kou over all
Kinda reminds me of ironmouse talking about her parents loosing there expectations for her when she was inevitably becoming to ill to leave the house
Doing good
Nice
This video is great, but I think you over-used that animation of the Mask coming off with smoke. It would've been much more impactful if you'd only used it once or twice. Most of the times it was used could've just been replaced by an image of his sprite over the background, a lot less visual distraction.
Well there's a few variants of the animation, and it took like 3 hours to make for 20 seconds. I think it looks cool and I wanted the bang for my buck.
Wait does that mean time warp trio lied to me about the origin of basketball
Deep link... thank you.
Thank you!
I’m calling it now: The inevitable Jester and Hunger episodes will be as much about the wielder as it is about how the cast of Persona 4 are perceived in spin-off and adaptation media versus how they’re originally portrayed, the protagonist himself most of all.
While I agree that the use of honorifics in the English translation is great, there are some big misses, such as translating Risecchi to Risette or, the even more egregious Yukaricchi to Yuka-tan in Persona 3. This last one is just baffling to me, I would somewhat understand "localising" the honorific, but changing it from one to another entirely? What were they thinking?
There definitely are some misteps, debatable decisions or outright baffling choices, but all in all, I think Atlus translations are typically second to none in the west. (Other than some indies perhaps)
OK so lets say Kou and Yosuke get into a love triangle with Chie and compete for her affections at some point after the game, who does Chie pick in the end?
Yosuke probably
@@HidinginPrivate agree. Chie seems oblivious to Kou's crush on her while being Persona users makes her and Yosuke have a stronger bond. Can't wait for your Yukiko video, I'd be happy even if it's an unedited 2-hour long video!
I shall leave a sacrifice for the algorithm god now 🙏✨
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What is the music called that plays in the outro?
Maya's Theme
What is this man's outro song
Unfortunately for Kou, Chie already has a girlfriend.
Unfortunately rocketprime, Chie might be the most straight member of the investigation team
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Things that spark joy include flan!!!