Flying these back country airports in Idaho are my favorite areas to fly. Departing from these airstrips I've flown to McCall Idaho, Boise Idaho, Lolo Montana, Lewiston Idaho, Grangeville, Idaho, Hellsgate, Idaho, Coeur D Alene, Idaho, Red Lodge, Montana, etc. Also, I enjoy following the rivers flying just above the water line. Nice video and thank you for sharing this with us!
My father and his business partner bought a cabin at Pistol Creek Ranch in 1958. My father passed in 1999 but we continue to be part owners in a cabin. Over the years father took our Bonanza into almost every strip back there. Never turbocharged, and an IO-470 under the hood we did fine. He was a commercial pilot who retired in 1989 with +36,000 hours starting in the DC3 and West Coast Airlines. He flew Charters for the Idaho State legislators ferrying congress and senators from all over the state to Boise and back. He would go on to fly most of the Beechcraft line, plus F27's, DC9's. And retired off the B757. He had a few hard and fast rules. -Always land exactly in the center of the runway. Calculate and check your gross weight compare the temperature and most important, Air Density! Always know what your weight and what your true altitude is after adjusting density altitude. KNOW what your true horse power is going to be and what your ground roll will be and are you within the flight envelope. ONLY FLY EARLY MORNING, LATE EVENING IN THE MOUNTAINS during the summer months. Lastly don't get lulled into a false sense of security by having a turbocharged airplane. If the density altitude is 8000-10,000ft it doesn't matter how much horsepower you're making if the prop has nothing to bite, and the wings can't generate any lift Growing up and Spending my summers at Pistol Creek I've watched, or seen, or knew, ridden horses up to retrieve radios or bodies on over a dozen wrecks. So use common sense, and KNOW WHAT YOUR FLIGHT ENVELOPE is going to be and you'll have a good flight. God Bless, Scott Pecora, N6075E
Your vids are always educational and equally enjoyable! Thanks for all the time and effort you put into these - although clearly it’s a labour of love.
AvAngel, you crack me up! I love your approaches to some outlandish landing sites! But you're correct, it is fun to do something crazy to make the sim more fun. My friends and I take turns trying to land on a challenging flat precipice that is 2.75 miles north of the False Pass, Alaska airport (PAKF) in the Aleutians Island chain. -163.418867°, 54.887791° Cheers!! And thanks for the laughs!
It's a tough little spot, decieving really, especially with the altitude thrown in. Caught the lip at the touch down, but i was low energy enough to be alright really... good job I had big baloon tires for that one!
What a great little trip through the Idaho backcountry. Very interesting approaches also, have to say that you always make it fun with your setups and set downs. Now I’ll have to go try my not so skilled attempts at them. Good fun video AvAngel, as usual!
What absolutely stunning scenery, and some really good flying from you Rachel! That plane as well it’s really just so cool it’s very overpowered but I like it. You’ll have to forgive any weirdness in my comment as I’m having to use voice to text. Love you Rachel
Great video, if you fancy a bush flying challenge try and get the Simworks Studios Kodiak into Quintin Lodge in New Zealand T004! I'd love to see that.
Hello I did enjoy your Video. I would have crashed on that ridge, lol. I have been loving your learning too fly videos, The latest one is by far my favorite so far. I watch a lot of videos and streamers, no one not one, that I have seen prior to your video explained about the DNB VOR page in the MSFS 2020 map. I have always guessed that there was such a thing but well, maybe I was too lazy to find it? Everyone goes on about getting subscriptions that cost a $ 100.00 Bucks a year, for me that is "insane in the membrane". Thank you so much for sharing your time and knowledge with me\ us.
Nicely done! Great commentary! Sounds like your no spring chicken, and I’m wondering why you relatively recently started leaving us your sterling vids! You were too long coming and a real gift to young ladies who might be tempted to join the skies. Joining was a no brainer for your folksy patter and gonads…grin. Looking forward to your next one…or at least the next one I find. Thanks, Chas
Thanks Chas! I'm not that old! I'm in my 30s, Really only something I figured I could do recently, and with MSFS coming out I thought it was time. Thank you for the kind words ;)
Have you heard yet of the workaround for the nose swing? It seems to be making rounds on the forums, I've just found out recently. TLDR the nose swing occurs when tailwheel loses grip - so if you maintain enough back pressure to keep it from fully lifting all the way to rotation speed, plane will stay straight. Yes, I know this probably contradicts every single piece of info about taildragger takeoff IRL...
It does completely lol. and weirdly its only certian tail draggers that do it... which is odd, as some powerful ones behave normally, some low power swing like mad heh
@@AvAngel True. Stearman is mostly fine, Waco is terrible, C170 is generally wobbly in all conditions, C172 bush kit taildragger is pretty bad as well. Some devs have managed to mitigate it but I have no idea what the secret juice is. Anyway if you're willing to fight your real life flying habits, it does work in fact, at least until Asobo hopefully fixes it as they promised (instead of say making it weirder in a new and unexpected way)
@@AvAngel it comes more natural in the Porter, I just rewatched Air America yesterday and they did PC-6 takeoffs in a "3 point attitude" for whatever reason xD ua-cam.com/video/y-fsD2uCVOo/v-deo.html slomo scene starting from 1:10 The technique for MSFS behavior is a little different from "hold stick full aft until you get some speed for yaw stability" that I've seen elsewhere. Instead the best way here is to hold stick aft just far enough to keep tailwheel on the ground. If you feel you start slipping add a little nose up. Slowly return stick towards center when you feel you start getting light on wheels, to avoid stall on liftoff. Talk about messing with real world habits, just like the old guys say ;)
1:30 That really shouldn’t be the case, at least not with this type of strip, as it’s very easy to stop vehicles and airport staff appearing in a project, and if I could figure it out with my first newbie airfield most should be able to as well.
Don’t hold the brakes and apply full throttle on bush strips. That’s fine for an asphalt runway, but is a big no-no for bush strips. Doesn’t matter in a sim, but it’s a bad practice.
Wich airport is the first one? Link? However I prefer aircraft that have to do with reality. A C172 with such huge wheels I have never seen. The Gotgravel and Co tend to exaggerate too much. There is not a C172 with such undercarriage and wheel in real life. Your landings are terrible however.... Nose up on landing and the stall horn that sound so much a that height ...... you have to do a steeper approach, then full flaps on final and then "Flare" at low level, the aicraft stall and you land. In real life you would have killed yourself but thanks to Good you are on MSFS....... It is typical of Simpilots to fly too low on final, in fact they don't see the runway.... only in the very last part of the final with a taildragger you don't see the strip, otherwise you kill yourselt. Happy landings!!! :-)
'Riding the horn down' is just one of many techniques RL Bush Pilots utilize. Knowing and training in your airplane's stall/STOL characteristics makes this a relatively safe maneuver. The 'Old School' Cessnas such as the 170-185 series are amongst the most enjoyable and cost effective planes to modify for Bush Flying. Do you know what the most typical characteristic of UA-cam wanna' be pilots is? For your education ua-cam.com/video/qQzG5t9_IrE/v-deo.html
Firstly, there are tail dragger 172s... they exist, fitting bush tires isn't out of the possibility even slightly. As for the approaches, my landings were safe, the drag curve approach I use for short field is a prime example of knowing the aircraft's stall and performance characteristics... The approach you describe would produce far too much energy, wouldn't dissipate and would result in extremely floaty landings, you seem to be looking at this from a GA fly the speed approach, As for the stall horn, you do realise it doesn't mean you're stalling right? just close. Properly managed, a slight nose up attitude with a wing just aft of level with flaps creates an extremely low energy approach and is used routinely. Please do some research before coming out and insulting me and then trying to patronise me with incorrect information.
You mean like this one: ua-cam.com/video/QRXyX2zqW8Q/v-deo.html This has huge tires and is a 172. So they do exist. From your description of things also...are you saying you are an actual pilot?
Wait, what? If you put in full flaps on final, your aircraft will balloon like hell. If you are on a short field, you will float too far to make a safe landing. Coming in low, and with little energy on a short field is a *good* thing, as your landing roll becomes a lot shorter. The higher you are on approach, the more energy you have to lose, and coming in high is only really preferable when there is an obstacle in front of the runway. Please don't comment like an expert, when you don't even have the knowledge of a novice.
Flying these back country airports in Idaho are my favorite areas to fly. Departing from these airstrips I've flown to McCall Idaho, Boise Idaho, Lolo Montana, Lewiston Idaho, Grangeville, Idaho, Hellsgate, Idaho, Coeur D Alene, Idaho, Red Lodge, Montana, etc. Also, I enjoy following the rivers flying just above the water line.
Nice video and thank you for sharing this with us!
Came here for the title, stayed for the content
My father and his business partner bought a cabin at Pistol Creek Ranch in 1958. My father passed in 1999 but we continue to be part owners in a cabin. Over the years father took our Bonanza into almost every strip back there. Never turbocharged, and an IO-470 under the hood we did fine. He was a commercial pilot who retired in 1989 with +36,000 hours starting in the DC3 and West Coast Airlines. He flew Charters for the Idaho State legislators ferrying congress and senators from all over the state to Boise and back. He would go on to fly most of the Beechcraft line, plus F27's, DC9's. And retired off the B757.
He had a few hard and fast rules. -Always land exactly in the center of the runway. Calculate and check your gross weight compare the temperature and most important, Air Density! Always know what your weight and what your true altitude is after adjusting density altitude. KNOW what your true horse power is going to be and what your ground roll will be and are you within the flight envelope.
ONLY FLY EARLY MORNING, LATE EVENING IN THE MOUNTAINS during the summer months. Lastly don't get lulled into a false sense of security by having a turbocharged airplane. If the density altitude is 8000-10,000ft it doesn't matter how much horsepower you're making if the prop has nothing to bite, and the wings can't generate any lift
Growing up and Spending my summers at Pistol Creek I've watched, or seen, or knew, ridden horses up to retrieve radios or bodies on over a dozen wrecks. So use common sense, and KNOW WHAT YOUR FLIGHT ENVELOPE is going to be and you'll have a good flight. God Bless, Scott Pecora, N6075E
Your vids are always educational and equally enjoyable! Thanks for all the time and effort you put into these - although clearly it’s a labour of love.
Thanks Art! appreciate it :) It really is :)
AvAngel, you crack me up! I love your approaches to some outlandish landing sites! But you're correct, it is fun to do something crazy to make the sim more fun. My friends and I take turns trying to land on a challenging flat precipice that is 2.75 miles north of the False Pass, Alaska airport (PAKF) in the Aleutians Island chain. -163.418867°, 54.887791° Cheers!! And thanks for the laughs!
Lower Loon is a nice challenge. I love the back country flying!
It's a tough little spot, decieving really, especially with the altitude thrown in. Caught the lip at the touch down, but i was low energy enough to be alright really... good job I had big baloon tires for that one!
I’ve been to Pistol Creek IRL…super cool that I can now do it in MSFS!
What a great little trip through the Idaho backcountry. Very interesting approaches also, have to say that you always make it fun with your setups and set downs.
Now I’ll have to go try my not so skilled attempts at them.
Good fun video AvAngel, as usual!
What absolutely stunning scenery, and some really good flying from you Rachel! That plane as well it’s really just so cool it’s very overpowered but I like it. You’ll have to forgive any weirdness in my comment as I’m having to use voice to text. Love you Rachel
haha no problem! and thanks ;)
What good fun 👍 lovely scenery AvAngelski ! Nice 🙏🏻👨✈️✈️
Thanks again for another great little flight plan. Just picked up the 170B and this looks like a perfect route to test her out.
Lovely views
Please do more Backcountry flying! Loving this :)
Great video, if you fancy a bush flying challenge try and get the Simworks Studios Kodiak into Quintin Lodge in New Zealand T004! I'd love to see that.
Nice. And we're waiting on the same planes LOL but luckily we have loads of back country toys to play with while we wait ...
Agreed!
nice work!
Great vid, would love to see some more of the like.
I really love your video’s like this! It helps to relieve anxiety and the mess of the world for a while.
Glad it does something to help Brian 😊
Suscribed! Nice reviews. I love your videos!
Awesome, thank you!
Great video , thanks for the links !! .
Might try that part of the world. Flying the Porter in PNG ATM. Lots of stall-horns in them there parts too...
Heh yes there are!
Great video as always. I didn’t know there was a taildragger 172!
Yeah there's a conversion STC for them, fun plane in the sim!
Hehe on the video title AvAngel :D always enjoy your videos, thank you!!!!!
:D
Hello I did enjoy your Video. I would have crashed on that ridge, lol. I have been loving your learning too fly videos, The latest one is by far my favorite so far. I watch a lot of videos and streamers, no one not one, that I have seen prior to your video explained about the DNB VOR page in the MSFS 2020 map. I have always guessed that there was such a thing but well, maybe I was too lazy to find it? Everyone goes on about getting subscriptions that cost a $ 100.00 Bucks a year, for me that is "insane in the membrane". Thank you so much for sharing your time and knowledge with me\ us.
Thanks Paul :) I was pointed at it by someone recently, but its a really undocumented feature.
Great video, I would love to see you do a video in the mountains of Colorado
Could be on the list!
Nicely done! Great commentary! Sounds like your no spring chicken, and I’m wondering why you relatively recently started leaving us your sterling vids! You were too long coming and a real gift to young ladies who might be tempted to join the skies. Joining was a no brainer for your folksy patter and gonads…grin. Looking forward to your next one…or at least the next one I find.
Thanks,
Chas
Thanks Chas! I'm not that old! I'm in my 30s, Really only something I figured I could do recently, and with MSFS coming out I thought it was time. Thank you for the kind words ;)
Another Spot on Video
What a brilliant idea for a video!
If u love stol flying u should check out the fattire cowboys they are definitely your type of pilots
I recommend turning on tailwheel lock with Shift + G on takeoffs and landings - basically eliminates that yaw on the takeoff roll :>
Nope, the yaw only ever happens when the tail is up, so the lock wouldn’t do a thing
@@AvAngel Now I look again and it does seem that way! Strange, fixed my issues with the YMF-5...
Have you heard yet of the workaround for the nose swing? It seems to be making rounds on the forums, I've just found out recently.
TLDR the nose swing occurs when tailwheel loses grip - so if you maintain enough back pressure to keep it from fully lifting all the way to rotation speed, plane will stay straight.
Yes, I know this probably contradicts every single piece of info about taildragger takeoff IRL...
It does completely lol. and weirdly its only certian tail draggers that do it... which is odd, as some powerful ones behave normally, some low power swing like mad heh
@@AvAngel True. Stearman is mostly fine, Waco is terrible, C170 is generally wobbly in all conditions, C172 bush kit taildragger is pretty bad as well. Some devs have managed to mitigate it but I have no idea what the secret juice is.
Anyway if you're willing to fight your real life flying habits, it does work in fact, at least until Asobo hopefully fixes it as they promised (instead of say making it weirder in a new and unexpected way)
I will try it, but it feels wrong lol. The Husky is thankfully easy beacuse im barely on my mains before i lift!
@@AvAngel it comes more natural in the Porter, I just rewatched Air America yesterday and they did PC-6 takeoffs in a "3 point attitude" for whatever reason xD
ua-cam.com/video/y-fsD2uCVOo/v-deo.html slomo scene starting from 1:10
The technique for MSFS behavior is a little different from "hold stick full aft until you get some speed for yaw stability" that I've seen elsewhere.
Instead the best way here is to hold stick aft just far enough to keep tailwheel on the ground. If you feel you start slipping add a little nose up. Slowly return stick towards center when you feel you start getting light on wheels, to avoid stall on liftoff.
Talk about messing with real world habits, just like the old guys say ;)
1:30 That really shouldn’t be the case, at least not with this type of strip, as it’s very easy to stop vehicles and airport staff appearing in a project, and if I could figure it out with my first newbie airfield most should be able to as well.
Most probably, its the worst thing of the whole sim tbh for me... all their default strips do it.
Very fun flying! Subscribed :)
So except for Pistol Creek, the rest is stock scenery correct? Damn beautiful. I'll build a PC for that one day...
Yup stock but still looks nice
Don’t hold the brakes and apply full throttle on bush strips. That’s fine for an asphalt runway, but is a big no-no for bush strips. Doesn’t matter in a sim, but it’s a bad practice.
Ok, not something I was aware of, what's the reasoning there? aircraft being dragged on the looser surface damaging tires?
saw the title, came for the actual weight of the content (das Gewicht) , and was very surprised at the lack of disappointment I had. gut gemacht !!!
Excellent video, just as a reference, how you manage to freely viewing the surroundings at the beginning of your video, thanks!
Drone cam, insert on keyboard. :)
Hey.... My wife is from Idaho! :-)
No offence intended!
@@AvAngel None taken! 😂
What is the ID of this airport....? Is it default. I cant find it either by the name pistol creek or ID49???
Pistol Creek is the name, and its identifier is ID49, it may be a newly added one, so the scenery in the description will do it :)
@@AvAngel Thanks...Guess its not in the default. I just added it. Gonna test it to see if it worked. Thank you.
As far as i know you can actually turn off ground vehicles completely
Menina, você é a número 1. Power, Power, Power, Power..... kkkkkkkkk amazing
Can you ask some developer to create Dehavilland DHC-2 Beaver for Alaskan bush flights, please? Thank you.
If I knew any I would! i desperately want one too!
Very good instruction. Appreciate you slowing down your speech.
Wasn't really attempting to teach, but I'm glad you learned something :)
that title makes me feel like I'm bleeding internally wtf kek
:D
Let's Go Brandon!
Wich airport is the first one? Link? However I prefer aircraft that have to do with reality. A C172 with such huge wheels I have never seen. The Gotgravel and Co tend to exaggerate too much. There is not a C172 with such undercarriage and wheel in real life. Your landings are terrible however.... Nose up on landing and the stall horn that sound so much a that height ...... you have to do a steeper approach, then full flaps on final and then "Flare" at low level, the aicraft stall and you land. In real life you would have killed yourself but thanks to Good you are on MSFS....... It is typical of Simpilots to fly too low on final, in fact they don't see the runway.... only in the very last part of the final with a taildragger you don't see the strip, otherwise you kill yourselt. Happy landings!!! :-)
Literally description :) Like I said :D
'Riding the horn down' is just one of many techniques RL Bush Pilots utilize. Knowing and training in your airplane's stall/STOL characteristics makes this a relatively safe maneuver. The 'Old School' Cessnas such as the 170-185 series are amongst the most enjoyable and cost effective planes to modify for Bush Flying. Do you know what the most typical characteristic of UA-cam wanna' be pilots is? For your education ua-cam.com/video/qQzG5t9_IrE/v-deo.html
Firstly, there are tail dragger 172s... they exist, fitting bush tires isn't out of the possibility even slightly.
As for the approaches, my landings were safe, the drag curve approach I use for short field is a prime example of knowing the aircraft's stall and performance characteristics...
The approach you describe would produce far too much energy, wouldn't dissipate and would result in extremely floaty landings, you seem to be looking at this from a GA fly the speed approach, As for the stall horn, you do realise it doesn't mean you're stalling right? just close. Properly managed, a slight nose up attitude with a wing just aft of level with flaps creates an extremely low energy approach and is used routinely.
Please do some research before coming out and insulting me and then trying to patronise me with incorrect information.
You mean like this one: ua-cam.com/video/QRXyX2zqW8Q/v-deo.html
This has huge tires and is a 172. So they do exist.
From your description of things also...are you saying you are an actual pilot?
Wait, what? If you put in full flaps on final, your aircraft will balloon like hell. If you are on a short field, you will float too far to make a safe landing. Coming in low, and with little energy on a short field is a *good* thing, as your landing roll becomes a lot shorter. The higher you are on approach, the more energy you have to lose, and coming in high is only really preferable when there is an obstacle in front of the runway. Please don't comment like an expert, when you don't even have the knowledge of a novice.