How will Liverpool benefit if FSG buy Bordeaux?
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- Опубліковано 15 сер 2024
- Liverpool's owners FSG are interested in purchasing French club Bordeaux. How close are they to a takeover?
What is their plan for the French side? And how will it benefit Liverpool?
Ayo Akinwolere is joined by The Athletic's Matt Slater and James Pearce to discuss.
00:00:00 Intro
00:00:10 How close are FSG to buying Bordeaux?
00:05:59 Whose idea was this?
00:09:40 What is the state of French football?
00:15:28 Why is this a good idea?
00:18:59 Other multi-club models
00:22:25 Explaining Liverpool’s hierarchy
00:30:11 Arne Slot's first press conference
00:33:29 Liverpool players' contract renewals
00:36:45 Arne Slot molding his Liverpool
00:39:40 Outro
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Ayo is such a great interviewer. Better than pretty much anyone on TV right now.
He’s pretty good but that’s a bit overkill
@@aposteriori421who’s better ? Not a leading question. curious what you think
As a Bordeaux fan, I'm both relieved and terrified of this. Please FSG, respect us and we will make it worth your money.
Agreed with you my friend
As a Liverpool fan for whom Bordeaux have long been my favourite French club, I am somewhat optimistic about this, but I do hope that the Girondins don't turn into just a feeder club for Liverpool, because they deserve more than that with their illustrious history.
@@rjfaber1991 I believe that if FSG buys the club, we can be sure they'll prioritize Liverpool's interests. However, looking at FSG's investment approach, they seem focused on performance rather than merely spending money. They invest to challenge themselves. Therefore, I think they'll also work to make Bordeaux a competitive club once again.
They will be efficient, but lackluster. Smart, yet only for their own gains.
Bro they gonna spend the bare minimum on your club, as long as they make a profit there happy with how the club is
Im supporter of Bordeaux... Please help us we are so tired... We are a football city with a great infrastructure, and a beautiful stadium, we have an excellent training center, with young people emerging like Aurélien Tchouaméni and Jules Koundé. We are a legendary club that has fallen very low...
The issue is not whether or not you like this model. The issue is if you don’t do it, and do it well, you will fall behind the Groups that do it. So, FSG have to succeed in this or we will fall even further behind - we are already outgunned in every bidding war by the Madrid, Paris, Manchester and London clubs.
The benefits of this model are being able to use the smaller clubs in the Group to develop Academy talent that is not quite ready for the Prem, being able to avoid British labour restrictions on recruiting young talent worldwide, and move to Liverpool when they have enough ‘points’, and shared costs eg part-time/specialist coaches can be shared, and many other shared benefits.
Based on the rules there are no benefits to be had from football groups. Just look at the Todibo deal being blocked (even though it would have represented a fair market value)
No resources, data, staff expertise or player transfers can take place according to uefa laws. Even teams playing in the same competition causes issues. So begs the question what is the point (outside of asset collection from an ownership view)
@@samwize28 That is a bad example, the united structure was not set up for a multi club system, Ratcliffe already owned Nice and then purchased stake in united and that is why they can't buy Todibo. If you look at City group and Red Bull, they move players in between the clubs plenty. It is key in going about it the right way and that is what FSG are doing.
@@JamesFitz8 please explain the difference between the city group/RB group, and the Utd/Nice group?
Or just protest against this multi club model. It runs the feeder club into the ground, while they take on all the risk and reap non of the reward on the pitch, then selling 5hem slightly below what would originally be payed. Look at Troyes and their fans outrage with the city group.
Something every Liverpool fan knows is trust this board.
Could not be further from the truth.
The best thing i can say is I'll have clearer thoughts come the end of the transfer window when i see what we have done to improve the squad because im Liverpool supporter.fsg doing what they are doing spending money on buying other clubs is fine as long as they are investing in making Liverpool on the pitch better.
But all the ESPNFC Forcast and Gab & Jules all said FSG don't have the money the last few years to spend like the big clubs....yet their going to buy another club and possibility of buying an NBA Franchise in Vegas!
@@Smithfb25 I absolutely agree with what you say I'm just trying to stay calm and relax.
@@Smithfb25 They meant there isn't enough money with Liverpool's budget that falls within PSR regulations as they don't have commercial revenue like the other big boys. FSG can do whatever they want with their private wealth and that is none of your concern. If you want to spend more on transfers, then earn more by sponsoring cup noodles in Indonesia like Man Utd. No owner is going to put their own money and you're deluded for thinking that.
@@Rustylad12 you clearly haven't been paying attention Liverpool when it comes to commercial revenue in the premier league Liverpool are 3rd behind man city and man united because we are a big club and we have players like mo Salah who sell jerseys world world wide. Before you talk about things maybe you should research the facts before making things up that are not true .How can a Liverpool fan if you are one not no how big we are commercially and how much revenue we bring in , Chelsea arsenal Tottenham are all behind us when it comes To revenue and a lot of these teams like arsenal spend more money than we do. So many excuses misinformed fans will make for fsg not spending money psr regulations please go and check your facts
@@nglforbes Yeah Liverpool are 3rd among 6 big teams behind United who commercially out rank us by around 80m per year so I don't know why you're whinging about facts and research. Spurs makes up the deficit by low wages and higher matchday income from a new stadium. Likewise Arsenal spent more but they structured the deals better by add ons and longer amortization giving them more wiggle room in PSR. Chelsea makes it up by pure profit from academy sales although it is unsustainable and what they are doing is an anomaly. We're middle of the pack in all facets and we just added another 70m in debt from anfield renovation. The point is that you can blame FSG for poorly structuring the deals and how they operate on transfers and I do criticize them for that. But what you are implying is that they are funneling away the funds from Liverpool to buy Bologna which is a ludicrous argument. Football economics doesn't work like that. Those are completely different investments and has no impact on each other's spending capacity. FYI, I'm currently majoring in finance and my Thesis is on permittable cost cap in modern Premier league so yes, I did do my research on this topic. Yes we don't have the greatest owners but nowhere close to levels of Glazers who syphoned 1B in dividends over 10 years from Man Utd or some of the other clubs going into administration. Every fanbase apart from City Newcastle Brighton and Palace rants about their owners.
I wonder if we will ever get to a point where multi-club ownership is creating harmful monopolies. I hope this trend does not continue as it threatens the integrity of the sport.
Multi-club ownership can be hugely detrimental to the club being bought, where for example Troyes bought Savio for 6,5 m who got loaned to PSV in his first season. In the following season he got loaned to Girona (same owner as City and Troyes) and now rumours have started that he may join City.
Since being acquired Troyes have been relegated from both Ligue 1 and Ligue 2… I’m sure this outcome was not what the Troyes fans expected when they were first acquired.
Tldr: Troyes was bought by the same owners of City and have two relegations to show for it.
Liverpool & FSG can be different as compared to city group. FSG will mostly try to make BDX as a self sustaining club just like how Liverpool has operated. Getting good players under less money & sell them at higher value which Liverpool used to do very early. Bdx only need money help. FSG may be take help of bdx for keeping eye on talents but it will not be a feeder club for Liverpool. They will definitely respect the history and bring sucess.
@@kmahta I hope for Bordeaux’s sake that it turns out this way.
@@Starfishinthesky971 I am a Liverpool fan and I really hope that bdx don't become a feeder club. They become an independent club themselves. Rise above and get their glory back. Bdx will have good people around them as FSG has some really talented people with them for club and getting quality players.
Based on the rules there are no benefits to be had from football groups. Just look at the Todibo deal being blocked (even though it would have represented a fair market value)
No resources, data, staff expertise or player transfers can take place according to uefa laws. Even teams playing in the same competition causes issues. So begs the question what is the point (outside of asset collection from an ownership view)
And Girona got champions league as part of City Group. It depends on your role within the group. Troyes is the rule evasion team + some French local development it seems. Because Savio is technically owned by Troyes, City can now move him from Girona to them. Despite Girona and City being in the same competition. So Troyes most likely will not get European football by design despite "owning" some great talents.
The wine situation is looking good for the end of season bash
These multi club systems are just ways of getting loopholes around PSR, by investing in a different club to then eventually sell on for a bit cheaper than normal. It also is used so the smaller club takes on all the risk and if it fails it doesn’t impact the bigger clubs pockets, whilst the players don’t even get to play for the smaller club most of the time and are run into the ground
Fsg will work wonders for them. Being a Liverpool fan my only problem with fsg is that they dont splash the cash for top players enough, but thats pretty trivial in comparison to the benefits.
They will build a solid foundation which includes training grounds and facilities and would buy the stadium from the council. On top of that Edwards is one of the best in world football for discovering talent.
Yes, you can almost guarantee that Bordeaux would turn into a feeder club aswell as some youth players from Liverpool being loaned out there. However if people think that would effect Bordeaux negatively couldn't be far more wrong, as the Liverpool players would either be an upgrade to the starting lineup, or add quality in depth.
Most importantly Bordeaux will be self sufficient and operate within its means. It wont take them long to get premoted and hold their own in the top devision with minimal debt.
Arguably the best owners to turn their fortunes around without pumping ffp breaking amounts of money into the club.
These groups are basically creating global football networks for their main clubs to feed players through. Eventually it’ll create issues if they all play in European competitions together
They can't play in Euro comps together,so no issues
@@Skooty68 my point was the issue is when they both qualify for europe and one can’t play
UEFA already let that genie out the bottle with Salzburg and Leipzig who have played each other
@@DrTomos yeah?
@@jimbojimbo6873 Europa League 2018
Fewer owners in football is great for business. Multi club model is the answer to maximizing profits. Every club with the finances should be doing this
I hope that some of 'Klopp's kids' from last season can go out on loan to Bourdeaux and shine.
In the “fifth best league”.
Interesting Albert Riera is managing, Boredeaux, given the Liverpool connection
I’m happy enough if it helps Liverpool in the long run
JP never had anything original / in depth to say… a bit like his writing
TAA will join his mate at Madrid next summer, Every picture you see of them in training they are joined at the hip.
Bordeaux are really the Liverpool of France.
The clubs are good match but FSG remains to be seen.
The KC A's used to feed the NYY.
Bordeaux should bring Zizou back as trainer & give him what he needs to build a young team.
Based on the rules there are no benefits to be had from football groups. Just look at the Todibo deal being blocked (even though it would have represented a fair market value)
No resources, data, staff expertise or player transfers can take place according to uefa laws. Even teams playing in the same competition causes issues. So begs the question what is the point (outside of asset collection from an ownership view)
What about savio to city then?
@@WilliWil. you tell me.
The rules are the rules, I can’t explain how and why City are expect from them while Utd are not.
This feels weird. Every (major) club will have a chain of 12 affiliated clubs behind them.
It’s business, I get it. We have conglomerates in the real world- but in football I think this should be limited, or better yet not exist.
its not a bad thing in this regard, Bordeaux is under massive financial trouble and will liquidate if something isn't done soon. this differs massively to what city group have done. FSG is a touchy subject for reds fans regarding how "cheap" they are as owners when regarding the transfer market however, they always do things by the book and i highly doubt they would use this as a way to get around certain regulations. we cant just assume because city group have "Washed" the sport that FSG will do the same they are very calculated and run some of the biggest sports teams in the world. and they are also on the verge of buying the Boston Celtics which just goes to show how they go about their business.
@@brentgoncalves8612 It’s a lifeline for Bordeaux, but it sets up a dom/submissive relationship. I think all clubs should be self-sufficient and have independence.
they whont as this will not be a feeder club this is off FSGS back
How come The Athletic didn't mention this about the City Football Group? I guess this is a PR job for Liverpool.
I’m very much against this as I’d hate my club to be just the feeder club for another in a foreign country but I’d rather a club like Bordeaux not die if this system saves them that’s at least a positive you can take from it
So Dom travel to France next season?
It actually benefits FSG more than LFC.😂😂😂
Big fan of the multi club model. It’ll benefit us greatly long term
Based on the rules there are no benefits to be had from football groups. Just look at the Todibo deal being blocked (even though it would have represented a fair market value)
No resources, data, staff expertise or player transfers can take place according to uefa laws. Even teams playing in the same competition causes issues. So begs the question what is the point (outside of asset collection from an ownership view)
Expect minimal transfers happening at LFC
Fsg are like vultures, is what I take from this. No ambition, compared to liverpools rivals, klopp could well have pappered over the cracks I worry.
I’ve never been more bored in my life by soccer, the guy on the left 🙃
Owners should not be allowed to own or have an interest more than one club.
17:59
Isn’t this what criticise City about ? Good to see they’re getting with the programme !
This didnt age well, fsg have pulled out of buying Bordeaux today.
This only benefits the top, sad to see and eluding to monopoly in the future :9
You refused to discuss the advantages of multi-club ownership. There's no way ES Troyes AC could afford Savio without the Man City connection. He chose Savio because he knows there's a pathway to play at Man City.
Es Troyes got nothing out of that deal
@@fluxdesiqn97 Can you show me proof? I don't think you understand how transfers work.
This is getting fucking ridiculous now... Red Bull started all of this then City copied it, followed By Chelsea, then United and now Liverpool are looking to join in? Football is fucking dead. The sport we loved is no longer the same, it's been destroyed by money and businessmen. No longer the working man's game.
I guess you can beat em join em
It's not really changed though has it... It's still 22 blokes n blokettes running around chasing a ball
Based on the rules there are no benefits to be had from football groups. Just look at the Todibo deal being blocked (even though it would have represented a fair market value)
No resources, data, staff expertise or player transfers can take place according to uefa laws. Even teams playing in the same competition causes issues. So begs the question what is the point (outside of asset collection from an ownership view), and what is hte point in hte laws seeing as RB and City clearly break them.
Yeah Because Bordeaux are doing absolutely fantastic ! Stop talking crap. Good Brains taking over clubs and putting them in a good position is a win.
I am now waiting for Liverpool fans to quit their club.. I want to see the same energy you have for City
No Liverpool fan has criticised City for multiple club ownership, we criticise you for blatantly cheating with 115 charges.
@Lucky-ll2cv What? No Liverpool fan? Dude nevermind... City to this day have not been found guilty of cheating, but I can tell you for free Liverpool have
City cheaters.
@@djorgen You mean Liverpool?
@@GermanChickenwing You're really comparing a sport's washing empire to a football club get off your high horse morals and shut the fuck up, Never been found of cheating then why did CAS charge them? If found innocent? Why did City not comply with the rules of giving over financial record's with the premier league's investigation and UEFA's investigation at the time and try to hold it up in court?, Why are they trying to challenge the new PSR rules and hold that up in court? The only times we've so called cheated was using someone's credentials for scouting data which we've paid City for. I would rather be a Liverpool fan than a fan of a sport's washing empire that undermines the sporting integrity of a league and use's it for globalist agenda. That changes the identity of each club it takes over.
This is the only way they could get Edwards back, they promised him a franchise😏. I wouldn't mind but Edwards lost the plot towards the end of his 1st spell here, Thiago, Ben Davies, Kabak all bad buys.
I mean its more of a benefit than owning the red sox or penguins unless you wanna retrain the goalkeeper to trade in his ice skates and stick for a pair of gloves and boots 🐧
Buy players.
Multi club ownership is the devil
Brexit
FSG are the cheapest owners in the entire Prem by a MILE.
It wont benefit Bordeaux in the slightest, or LFC for that matter.
It will benefit FSG.