I love the passion & respect Nick has for the history of this game. I really enjoyed this lecture in particular, thank you for sharing this it was very insightful. =)
Not the first time I see a commentary about the ear reddening game. Yet I loved yours. You really managed to let us have a glimpse at the genius of these masters.
Great lecture! At the end, so many groups were attacking each other, without having to directly connect, kind of like stars in the sky. This seems to be more consistent the higher the skill level.
Thank you for all these videos! You are the best go teacher there is out there. I recently found your channel and I am working my way through all your lectures. I am around 6kyu and I learn A LOT from watching you!
The actual thing is that Shusaku was a student of the spirit trapped in the board until he died. The spirit goes back to sleep inside the board until Hikaru finds the board and goes through the same deal as Shusaku.
This move was played in Hikaru no Go, wasn't it? Where Hikaru finds the old Kifu of Shuusaku's games, and finds that brilliant move. *epiphany* It was one of Shuusaku's actual games!
I only subscribed to you recently because of Lee Sedol's ladder game and the lecture about how to use thickness and influence but I didn't know you still actively posted videos. GOLD MINE! :D Thanks for making me stronger ^^
@10:28 The student who answers must have misread the passage in the book. He says it was in “1942,” but according to wikipedia, the ear-reddening game was played in 1846. Nick originally said it was 18-something at the start of the video too, and I think he just didn’t catch when the studnet said 19.
This game is so great this is my first day of learning and knowing of it. I love how mentally involved it is. It reminds me of chess but at least for me with the movement of chess pieces its so much harder see than how the pieces work in Go.
Who's the guy with the awesome reading ability in your class? The guy who looked up Shusaku's rank and age? He's my favourite audience member, the internet love him.
I'm watching this and looking at Katago at the same time. Some "mistakes" from them but it's actually incredible how AI agrees that they were incredibly good at this game back then already. Well... It's a multimillenial game.
31:30 I was thinking about 16/9, one point jump upwards from the black group. would also be sente and facing more towards the centre. But the diagonal jump was also very elegant :)
That one is not good, because even though it saves the black group, it doesn't threaten to save the 18-12 stone so white doesn't have to response to that, so that move is actually gote for black, not to mention it leaves a big openning on the right side, and with a white move like 18-10 it will be a pain for black to stop white from invading.
I would love a lecture on dealing with invasions In my local go club we have this korean player who keeps invading like a crazy person (like he has some sort of go rabies) and i don't know how to deal with that! Anyway awesome game comment! Now i really can appreciate this game
This game should convince anybody who wonders -- would they be Pro level in Today's game? YES!!!!! The level of reading , direction, fighting, and other basics shown in this game by both sides -- and the fact that it is very hard to criticize their moves even today should convince anyone that these two would be considered at least low dan professional 1-2P in any era with the knowledge and skills that they had then. I don't think Eric Li or Calvin Sun , or even Hajin Lee could beat these two if they were taken in time machine back to that era with today's knowledge at their disposal. The reason is the Kome Rule. As white, Genin Inseki or Shusaku would win against low dan pros from Japan and America for sure. Remember, they were used to no Kome and thus played very complicated and aggressive style to stay in the game after black's initiative. I've head ignorant people blatantly say that since their era didn't know what we do today that their top players would only be strong Amateurs today and it's simply not true. That's the same as saying that Babe Ruth would not be a Major Leaguer today in our game, or that Bill Russel would not be a professional power forward in Today's NBA. Pure Arrogance.
while im new to go and dont know much about it, babe ruth and bill russell absolutely would not have been great athletes if just taken from then and dropped in todays league... sure if they trained and adjusted everything to todays league, they might still be professoinal level, but from your comment it seems youre talking about jut dropping someone in todays world
@@Someone-hi1nt I was merely stating that the old pros would still be pros today. For instance, Go Seigen and Sakata Eio were the top 2 professionals in 1950-1960. The estimated ELO score of Sakata Eio based on computer analysis and pro reviews back in the 50's and 60's was around 3300-3375 ELO. Go Seigen beat him like 8-2 in a 10 game match with no Komi, and taking white to go 2nd most of those games. That would put a prime Go Seigen's ELO at over 3500, since he was winning most of the games with a 1 stone handicap. That would make Go Seigen a top 40 player today. Bill Russel averaged 25 rebounds and estimated 7 blocks per game during some seasons in the NBA. He was 6-10 and ran like a deer. He could jump out of the gym, and he played super intelligently. To say the Bill Russell, even dropped into today's NBA would not at least start for the New Orleans Pelicans is pure arrogance. Babe Ruth used to barnstorm against the black teams in the offseason. He hit HR's against the likes of Bullet Bob Rogan and Satchel Paige in competitive games. He hit 342 BA with insane slugging and HR numbers, while hitting like 8 triples a season. In no world does that Babe Ruth not at least make a MLB roster in his prime, if dropped into ANY era of baseball. You know that his records took 40 years to break right? The all time greats would be at least pros no matter what era they drop into. Don't even get me started on Wilt Chamberlain. If today's league can't deal with Giannis or the white dude Jokic in Denver, then a guy 2x as athletic with an IQ over 140 would tear them apart!
1:14:41 "white has to respond or he will die" - how? He has two other eyes no? If black peeps white will fix his other eye at 19-13 and has two eyes, no?
Sean Hiska not sure if you still want to know but it is like so: first imagine it spelt as shuusaku. Notice the double u, that is an elongated "u" sound and is similar to an "oo" as in "shoe". The saku part should have no emphasis. It isn't saaaku which would sound like what nick says. The underlying sound is the same as the beginning of"sock" but it should be shortened. Finally the "Ku" should sound closer to "ck" but a slight "u" sound still be present. That's how you say it. Refer to Japanese people actually saying it if you want to learn properly. Have a nice day!
I love the passion & respect Nick has for the history of this game. I really enjoyed this lecture in particular, thank you for sharing this it was very insightful. =)
Not the first time I see a commentary about the ear reddening game. Yet I loved yours. You really managed to let us have a glimpse at the genius of these masters.
Wow with this game I realized that Go is a closer representation of war than chess. It's like Risk; which army can conquer more territory/countries
Great lecture! At the end, so many groups were attacking each other, without having to directly connect, kind of like stars in the sky. This seems to be more consistent the higher the skill level.
I really liked this lesson, I'd love to see you cover more historical or famous games this way!
Really enjoyed this video, time just flew by while watching it.
Thank you for all these videos! You are the best go teacher there is out there. I recently found your channel and I am working my way through all your lectures. I am around 6kyu and I learn A LOT from watching you!
The actual thing is that Shusaku was a student of the spirit trapped in the board until he died. The spirit goes back to sleep inside the board until Hikaru finds the board and goes through the same deal as Shusaku.
Hikaru no Go
This move was played in Hikaru no Go, wasn't it? Where Hikaru finds the old Kifu of Shuusaku's games, and finds that brilliant move.
*epiphany* It was one of Shuusaku's actual games!
The reason why I started playing Go
Most of the games are real iirc.
I only subscribed to you recently because of Lee Sedol's ladder game and the lecture about how to use thickness and influence but I didn't know you still actively posted videos.
GOLD MINE! :D
Thanks for making me stronger ^^
@10:28 The student who answers must have misread the passage in the book. He says it was in “1942,” but according to wikipedia, the ear-reddening game was played in 1846. Nick originally said it was 18-something at the start of the video too, and I think he just didn’t catch when the studnet said 19.
This game is so great this is my first day of learning and knowing of it. I love how mentally involved it is. It reminds me of chess but at least for me with the movement of chess pieces its so much harder see than how the pieces work in Go.
Jeff Tygart
Who's the guy with the awesome reading ability in your class? The guy who looked up Shusaku's rank and age? He's my favourite audience member, the internet love him.
They should have made a Hikaru no Go special for this game.
I saw your comment on a Hikaru video
Cool
+Ulquiorra Cifer I know this comment is old but watch Hikaru No Go episode 63 and at around 5 min you will see it.
+TheLowrien the ear reddening move. I didn't notice that before, thanks.
Haha, Hikaru no Go is the only reason I know about that move!
whoever's in control of the camera's focus needs to work on it
+jejeakle "make sure to watch in HD''
+jejeakle yeah.. the firmware of the camera is totally going to read your comment.
I thought that I am falling asleep and my sight is blurred)
Autofocus should be turned off
I'm watching this and looking at Katago at the same time. Some "mistakes" from them but it's actually incredible how AI agrees that they were incredibly good at this game back then already. Well... It's a multimillenial game.
shusaku wasnt rly a student he let the spirit play I think
Thank you
Nice idea to make a review of this game - enjoyed it!
How does this group feel? It has one eye and no friends... pretty sad :)
16 people who watched this video are Gennan Inseki.
31:30 I was thinking about 16/9, one point jump upwards from the black group. would also be sente and facing more towards the centre. But the diagonal jump was also very elegant :)
That one is not good, because even though it saves the black group, it doesn't threaten to save the 18-12 stone so white doesn't have to response to that, so that move is actually gote for black, not to mention it leaves a big openning on the right side, and with a white move like 18-10 it will be a pain for black to stop white from invading.
tenguin is sad....Shusaku played one above it and Genan played one to the left
New intro is great! Was this done for the "super moon," or will this be the new intro?
i made an account just to subscirbe to your channel and to say thanks for providing us with this great stuff.
On 26:50, should white have played on row 19, column 14 ??
Can you do a lecture on counter attacking?..
Yes, that'd be great.
Great video, although the camera keeps losing focus which makes the eyes hurt a bit.
Great video as always but the image is shifting focus a ton and it is a real eye sore.
Watching this video after drinking beer is confusing.
Time stamp 1:09:09 - THERE’S STILL AN EXTRA BLACK STONE ON THE BOARD!!!!
Whew, fixed it at 1:10:43
Classic Nick LOL :-))
I'm just starting the video, I guess I'll know by the end, but it would have been nice to tell if there is any komi.
he actually says at the beginning it is before komi was a thing
Jersey75639
Thanks.
By "counter-attacking" do you basically mean "dealing with invasions?"
I couldn't hear clearly. What is the move called?
Ear Reddening
All I can say is taisha is a hellova drug.
....both...I think at least for a little while.
If you guys wanna see the whole game, here's a record of it
gokifu.com/s/wlq-gokifu-00000000-Yasuda_Shusaku(4d)-Inoue_Genan_Inseki(8d).html
at what point in the video is the famous move?
Go is hard
I would love a lecture on dealing with invasions
In my local go club we have this korean player who keeps invading like a crazy person (like he has some sort of go rabies) and i don't know how to deal with that!
Anyway awesome game comment! Now i really can appreciate this game
"Go rabies" 😂
Sorry, I don't know why that kept happening!
lol hikaru no go reference
1:14:59 The Move :-)
This game should convince anybody who wonders -- would they be Pro level in Today's game?
YES!!!!! The level of reading , direction, fighting, and other basics shown in this game by both sides -- and the fact that it is very hard to criticize their moves even today should convince anyone that these two would be considered at least low dan professional 1-2P in any era with the knowledge and skills that they had then.
I don't think Eric Li or Calvin Sun , or even Hajin Lee could beat these two if they were taken in time machine back to that era with today's knowledge at their disposal. The reason is the Kome Rule. As white, Genin Inseki or Shusaku would win against low dan pros from Japan and America for sure. Remember, they were used to no Kome and thus played very complicated and aggressive style to stay in the game after black's initiative. I've head ignorant people blatantly say that since their era didn't know what we do today that their top players would only be strong Amateurs today and it's simply not true.
That's the same as saying that Babe Ruth would not be a Major Leaguer today in our game, or that Bill Russel would not be a professional power forward in Today's NBA. Pure Arrogance.
while im new to go and dont know much about it, babe ruth and bill russell absolutely would not have been great athletes if just taken from then and dropped in todays league... sure if they trained and adjusted everything to todays league, they might still be professoinal level, but from your comment it seems youre talking about jut dropping someone in todays world
@@Someone-hi1nt I was merely stating that the old pros would still be pros today. For instance, Go Seigen and Sakata Eio were the top 2 professionals in 1950-1960. The estimated ELO score of Sakata Eio based on computer analysis and pro reviews back in the 50's and 60's was around 3300-3375 ELO. Go Seigen beat him like 8-2 in a 10 game match with no Komi, and taking white to go 2nd most of those games. That would put a prime Go Seigen's ELO at over 3500, since he was winning most of the games with a 1 stone handicap. That would make Go Seigen a top 40 player today.
Bill Russel averaged 25 rebounds and estimated 7 blocks per game during some seasons in the NBA. He was 6-10 and ran like a deer. He could jump out of the gym, and he played super intelligently. To say the Bill Russell, even dropped into today's NBA would not at least start for the New Orleans Pelicans is pure arrogance.
Babe Ruth used to barnstorm against the black teams in the offseason. He hit HR's against the likes of Bullet Bob Rogan and Satchel Paige in competitive games.
He hit 342 BA with insane slugging and HR numbers, while hitting like 8 triples a season. In no world does that Babe Ruth not at least make a MLB roster in his prime, if dropped into ANY era of baseball. You know that his records took 40 years to break right?
The all time greats would be at least pros no matter what era they drop into. Don't even get me started on Wilt Chamberlain. If today's league can't deal with Giannis or the white dude Jokic in Denver, then a guy 2x as athletic with an IQ over 140 would tear them apart!
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ear-reddening_game
1:14:41 "white has to respond or he will die" - how? He has two other eyes no? If black peeps white will fix his other eye at 19-13 and has two eyes, no?
I'll note that in the last year or so, this move has been analyzed by high-level bots. Most such bots consider the move to be sub-optimal.
And?
ua-cam.com/video/lOs5CIt07qA/v-deo.html The Move
Why is the video too long?
Jesus. I can't handle the camera work. Awesome video to listen to. Terrible to watch.
This normally doesn't happen, but every time I hear Shu-sock-u I cringe and want to turn the video off.
and how is it supposed to be said?
Sean Hiska not sure if you still want to know but it is like so: first imagine it spelt as shuusaku. Notice the double u, that is an elongated "u" sound and is similar to an "oo" as in "shoe". The saku part should have no emphasis. It isn't saaaku which would sound like what nick says. The underlying sound is the same as the beginning of"sock" but it should be shortened. Finally the "Ku" should sound closer to "ck" but a slight "u" sound still be present. That's how you say it. Refer to Japanese people actually saying it if you want to learn properly. Have a nice day!
just don't watch the dub...
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