My first centerfire was a BSA 270 Winchester, just because that was what a friend sold me. I hunted with that rifle for a long time and still have it, and it never let me down. I will always have a soft spot for 270. Thanks for another great video 📹
The 270WIN absolutely shines with the Nosler 150gr Accubond LR. I am getting 2900fps at the muzzle in a 22” barrel. At 3500ft DA This load can deliver 2222fps/1645ftlb payload at 500m (550yd). The trajectory is flat so you get a long MPBR… and the sectional density is 0.279 which is higher than the SD of a 180gr 0.308” bullet. So penetration is absolutely respectable if you use bullets that retain weight. IMO with this bullet the 270WIN is Moose/Elk capable within most hunters personal ethical range limit. The old girl is still a very fine cartridge and posts impressive performance when topped off with these modern high BC bonded bullets… Modern performance whilst still retaining that old school nostalgia. ❤️❤️❤️ Cheers!
I have both the .308 and the .270. Had the .308 for over 30 years, and got my .270 about 5 years ago. I haven’t hunted with my .308 since I got the .270, so that should pretty much explain my preference of the two. (I bought my .270 for a moose hunt when I got drawn for the first time in my life here in eastern Canada, and it did the job well.) 🙂
Thats good to hear. I have been rackig my brain with researching calibers for a good "do it all" and i was between .270 , 7mm08 , .308 , 30-06 or 7mm rem lol i hate when they give us so many decisions lol
Ballistically your totally correct on the .270. For me it’s cost per foot pound of energy. Abd in that race the .308 wins. I’m low income and a beginner in an ammo shortage. So I stick to the most popular calibers for financial reasons. Line to me the .300 win mag is probably the best foot pounds for dollars among magnum cartridges (I would define magnum rifle cartridges as exceeding 3,500 foot pounds). I think the only area the .308 wins is in economics which is a big factor.
I just believe that the .270 is a bit more versatile especially for reloaders...I just never understand why they don't compare apples to apples maybe he will.not there yet,compare a 130grn against a 130grn or 150grn etc.😮😊
1 thing I truly enjoy about your comparison video's is your honest. The specs, then your honest opinion and if for what ever someone doesn't agree with your opinion you've given enough info that someone can go looking for themselves. Keep up the good work
Got my 308 at 10yrs old so 42yrs later it still holds a special place. Got a 270 in my early 20's load both, love both. 270 gets more use but now its 300wm and 45/70 for fun. Not that many things here in Australia need any of them
Hey Adam! Hello from north of the 49th! I love the way you present your videos! They are so easy to understand rather than some of the guys that try too hard to be technical when they're not. Always a pleasure to see your videos! Keep it up!!! From the frozen chosen in Canada!
I’ve had 243s to 300 win mags. My 270 700 Remington is low recoil and lazar flat to 300 yards and still pretty cheap to buy . Dear rarely take a step from any angle. Each is own 👍🏻🇺🇸
Love the part where it only takes an overbore cartridge with magnum pressures, more than half an inch more case length and loads more powder to achieve all that. Truly a miracle of engineering :)
I live and hunt on the central plains. Of course a 270 is a preferred round out here. Our state tree is a utility pole. The land is so flat you can see tomorrow coming. However, in the competition circles, 270s are scarce. 308s are fairly common, and have been for decades. The ranges I hunt at are well within the range of a 308. I own only 1 308, an M1A. I own no 270s. One 30-06, though, and a raft of 243s and smaller calibers. Fair to say, exchange any one of my rifles for a 270 and I'll still have everything covered. How about next comparing the 7mm Rem. Mag with the 270 Winchester. Both are very common and very versatile. Thanks for the video. Always enjoyable.
Great video I’m in northern Alberta had 270’s sold bought 7mm mags then wife and kids started hunting bought them 308’s I now have 2 308’s weall use 150 gr ttsx elk moose muley whitetails bear wolf they perform great up to 400 yards and thats as for as we shoot sneak in closer we bow hunt early season all fun great meat family bonding get your kids out hunting
For tree stand deer hunting, one is as good as the other. For longer ranges, though, yes the 270 smokes the 308 handily. And adding even more to this is the fact that velocities for the 270 can be improved more than the 308 through hand loading. You can really only add about 100 fps to the 308 over factory loads but you can get 200 fps, sometimes more, added velocity to the 270.
Down to personal preference...I'm a 270 guy though and have never had a reason to change. Been shooting from springbuck to eland with it for many years. Also doing pretty good with it in NRL matches over here
@@edwardabrams4972 same can be said with the 270 its not the same it preforms better even at range on target and game . But the main point here is that especially for the person who does not reload the best over the counter gun/Ammo in this pairing will remain the 270 .But if a guy likes a 308 thats ok it will get the job done as well .Its just a performance argument really .
We could argue caliber and cartridge six ways until Sunday (or whatever the expression should be) . I would argue 7mm-08 130 gr Speer HC is a closer competitor to, perhaps the true new (since 1980) 270 short action cartridge in that 130 gr bullet weight/SD class. Truth is, can the cartridge combination get the job you want done for you in your environment? That's all that matters. Can 308W get it done cheaper? Most likely. Does it matter? To whom?
Yo who tee who, good vid man! The .308 wins, trust me and ask any deer guide/ outfitter. I believe the 7mm-08 is the best deer cartridge even for elk. Shot placement is key.
Great video and great info. Great BC on the CL Tip on the 270, it scored me an 8pt. For me the 270 is my go to. I appreciate the info… Great stuff Adam! Thanks!
Both rounds have taken every game animal in the world; because as you said it’s about shot placement (and I’ll add bullet construction). In the civilian sector i used a .270 as a sniper for my State (though never that small of round as a Marine). Good video
It's interesting you mention recoil. I'm not a big guy by any stretch of the imagination at 5'7 and 138 lbs, but I regularly shoot my 300 Win Mag with no issues whatsoever. It comes down to the right set up, practice and becoming used to the rifle calibre in question. I can happily put 30-40 shots downrange with the 300 on a given day. I'll be a little sore in the shoulder the next day, but it's really nothing significant. And the recoil there makes the 270 and 308 look pretty tame.
Probably the 2 best options for deer in my opinion. My kids have flat lined pretty good bucks at distance with an ole wore out 742 308 that was my grampa’s. But I have a soft spot for the 100 yr old 270! I own several other calibers that dominate the 270 in all of those scientific graphs but year in year out ole girl does her thing!!! With that being said thank you for comparing the two! Love watching your videos!!!
I love 308. Finally got one again after a few years of not having one. A couple units here only allow copper, so i just prefer to only bother with copper hunting loads. Regardless, I love your tests and data - always makes me happy.
Given those two choices, .308 will get the job done, but I'll take .270 all day for the extra range it has. Also, .277 caliber bullets have a higher sectional density per grain size compared to .30 caliber. The higher the sectional density, the better the penetration. For instance, a 150 grain bullet in .270 has an SD of .279, yet you'd have to step up to a 180 grain in .308 to still come up slightly short with an SD of .271. Additionally, .270 has higher velocity at all distances (which can be loaded down as well). However, another thing that sometimes gets overlooked is downrange velocity for proper bullet expansion and terminal performance. With 2,000 fps being the lowest velocity threshold for many bullets. However, with many loads, .308 can oftentimes fall below 2,000 fps by 300-400 yds, whereas .270 maintains 2,000 fps to 400-500 yds and beyond. But yet another benefit is that .270 tends to have better wind drift numbers than .308. Bullet drop is a gravitational constant that can easily be adjusted for, whereas wind drift is affected by several variables, making it trickier to compensate for with longer shots in particular. I'll take better wind drift numbers over a flatter trajectory any day. However, .270 has the benefit of being both a much flatter shooting cartridge AND with less wind drift than .308. With all that said, if all you do is hunt within 300 yds, let alone within 150 yds, pick either one, because they'll both perform pretty much identically for the most part. However, given the choice of .270 or .308, I much prefer .270 for the added downrange performance, less wind drift, and higher sectional density (generally) that it offers. It's just a more capable round in that sense. Particularly for hunters who only shoot factory ammo.
I was all ready to go off in the comments, but you got it right. It's not even close as far as I'm concerned. The .270 is way better than the .308. The .270 has been my favorite cartridge, but the new 7mm PRC looks even better.
Depends if you want to have more energy basically from zero to 390 yards the 180 grain 308 wins hands down with more energy and bigger bore wound channel. The 270 is a great round but the 308 has a lot of diversity and availability in ammo too.
@@C.D.-tz6sk I can use Hornady .270 145gr ELD-X and I'm within 3" of zero all the way out to 300 yards, and is over 1,500 fpe at 700 yards. Compare this to a Federal .308 at 180 gr. I'm within 3" of zero only out 250 yards, and it drops below 1500 fpe at 300 yards. It is not even a close comparison. The .270 Win goes beyond my abilities to shoot it. The .308 does not.
Actually if you shoot game at those distances the 308 180grain has over 1500 fpe out to 400 yards not 300. I cant seem to find any 270 ballistics on google for fpe for the round you mentioned. If it has that energy of 1500fpe at 700 yards you mentioned that is very impressive to say the least and what kind of energy does it have at 100 -300/400 yards? I would venture to say it would vaporize a lot of meat. Also I would bet 99% of hunters would not shoot game past 300 or maybe 400 yards. So maybe for you the 270 is superior for you, but not for many or most.. It definately is for being a flat shooting cartridge which isn't what I was talking about. But for punching bigger wound channels with 1500+ fpe out to 400 yards without destroying a lot of meatI believe the 308 in the readily available 180 grain wins in that category. It does depend on each person and what and where they hunt really. @@daithi1966
@@C.D.-tz6sk My dude is correct. 270 has a better BC and greater case capacity. It delivers a little more energy in most comparable loads. In those loads that produce about the same energy, the 270 can do it flatter and further. I'd def agree with the fact that 308 is much more affordable and available, has a larger variety of factory loads to choose from too.
It is an awesome flat shooting cartridge and I may have to get one, but my point I was making is also correct. My point was not about the trajectory but that the 180grain load for the 308 has more energy from muzzle to about 400 yards. Couple that with the larger wound channel from the bigger diameter bullet. The 180grain 308 round is not hard to come by@@thereindeertherabbitthebat592
I have a 270 model 700 and I love it. I put a Timany adjustable trigger in it set at 2.5 lbs,I’m the only person that shots it. This rifle it extremely accurate.
I have both. Out to 100 meters and beyond is when the 270Win comes into its own . But I find the 308 better at closer ranges because the bullet doesn’t rip straight through and unloads all its energy into pigs etc . I haven’t used my 308 in 6-7 years now since moving to a farm with wide open fields . Great video!
great video, man, thank you. i have both. can't tell the difference on deer. shot many more with the 308 under 100 yards, devastating. if hunting longer that 300 yards, 270 rules. its all about how close you can get before taking the shot. cheers, pete
308 is equivalent of a 6.5 Creedmoor they say. I'll stick to my 300 Win mag and leave the guessing to the peanut gallery ! Another great video Who Tee. Round here in Kentucky most folks use a 270 or a 30-30.
My first buck was shot with a 270 Superformance Hornady round in which the box said it had 3200 FPS muzzle velocity. At 126 yards it hit a bit high and became a lung shot. I found the deer a few feet from the shot position and part of its lung was hanging out of the entry wound. It did the job with no problem.
Good work Adam. Look at the 180 308 energy chart might be the wrong color 270 has always been a better cartrige for me. Good handloads and a 26" barrel 140s at 3000fps is a great flat shooting option. I've had light 308s that were awefull to shoot felt like your teeth were getting knocked out. As a military cartrige the 308 works well but for hunting I'd rather a 7mm08 or 270
Would love to see 300WM , 30-06 , .308 , 270 , 25-06 , vs whatever Creedmoor or PRC you can get , and if you want throw whichever RUM you have into the mix . It could just be a compilation from old videos , if you want . Thanks !
Hi. I have both, love both but 270 win. lives in my heart since I started to hunt big game, it was my first caliber! Since that I've bought 308'and 06 also with excellent results. I have noticed and comparing to the others, the 270w is more "violent" to my ears, has more "sharp" noise out of the muzzle, normally I don't use ear protection during hunting. Great video,great comparison,and thank you for showing us. Greetings.
Some of the color coding on your energy chart is still outta wack. But that being said, your overall assessment is still on point. I love my compact short barrel 308 for hunting spots with shots 200 yards or less. I take the ole true70 in spots where I could have a shot over 200. Love them both.
Love the federal 136 trophy bonded grain and i love hornadys different grain weights speeds and g1 ballistics coefficients thats the two things im after if my gun can also group them well. Would love to see u test some of these other ones i mentioned in ur other calibers please i get it it they cost money but its more information content that some u tubers arent putting out thanks have a good day
I think wind drift is a much better comparison than bullet drop... Gravity is a constant and bullet drop can always be calculated... Wind is not and much harder to read and figure out
I have shot a plain vanilla 6.5x55 since I built it in the 1990’s. It has killed many things. It is also loaded to modern capabilities, so behaves more like a 270 if somewhat flatter as range gets longer. BC is king. The new generation of cartridges are designed to attract buyers with often intangible benefits. If you miss or gut-shoot it really doesn’t matter what the numbers say. Get a good rifle, feed it decent ammo, and get good with it over varying distances. And if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. Last one was at 700metres. Instant lights-out! But I have measured actual performance and drops and dial it in. This was also from a stable rest. I also knew the actual distances to features in the valley by measurement.
I think the .270 has a nicer recoil impulse than the short action .308. I really think the long action stuff, like 30-06 and .270 should come out with 24inch barrel. You already lose about an inch of barrel against the .308, just because the cartridge sticks so far into the barrel from the chamber, and then (specially if you shoot in low light) you can see half the propellant is burning a meter long flame outside the barrel.
270 because that’s what I got within a savage axis 2019 + weaver 3-9x40 + Nielsen Sonic suppressor. Really happy with the performances at all range. I really enjoy stuff when they are good and cheap. Why did I choose a 270 ? Because I have trusted my blacksmith. Thanks for this video.
My first high power was a 270. Still have one, a Rem 700 LH.....but I also have a Rem 700 308....LH ......26 inch bull barrel. Love both.....never compared the 2..
.270 is a classic and in total agreement. But to play devils advocate, if you argue in a certain way, you can pick the .308. 1, shorter action, lighter more compact rifle. 2, less recoil, more compatibility with a wider range of shooters. 3. In most eastern states, you'll not be shooting more than 200yds. At that range, a deer will never know the difference. All that being said, I'm an old school .270 guy. Thanks for the great content. Best channel on the inter-web! Almost forgot AR10. Hmm.
Me n my son argue these 2 calibers alway, he’s a 270 guy n I like my 308 cause it does what I need it to do n it does have less recoil n I’m hunting in the hills along the Ohio river in PA N IF YOU GET 100 yrd shot it’s not often !! Both got calibers , I always tell him if you make a bad shot with a 308 it’ll make a bigger hole which = more blood trail !!
Flip a coin. With 150gr bullets, the .270 will have 12% more recoil and apx 2.5" less drop at 300yrds. If you wish to hunt with a bullet heavier than 150gr's, choose the .308 win as most manufacturers dont offer this in a .270 Win. To be clear, most rifles chambered in .270 win over the last 100 years have a 1:10 barrel twist which will not stabilize the use of long heavier bullets with high ballistic coefficients and improved sectional densities. I've hunted with a .270win for years before switching to a .308win and found both to be well suited for my needs. For hunting deer, I prefer the .308 win not because of a performance benefit, but rather the rifles which its chambered in. To be clear, when hunting from a tree climber or a box stand, I prefer a rifle which is a bit more compact and easier to move around with in a compact location. Lastly, I must admit I've grown very fond of the 6.5 Creedmoor as it has less recoil than a .270 or .308, shoots very flat in comparison to the trajectories of the mentioned cartridges and I cannot tell a difference in its performance on deer sized game. At a height of over 6ft and a weight of 200+, I'm not a small man, but having a cartridge with such a light recoil makes extended shooting practices a pleasure which in turn builds confidence for making extended shots.
Great video again. I have both and use both. It boils down to which one will best suit me for the day or the trip. If I will be walking a lot I opt for the lighter weight rifle. They both will do the job.
I bought a 270 recently and picked up an 06 with it because it was a prestine sportorized 1917. Didn't know much about it but I thought it looked nice and the action was smooth. $200 for a solid 06; what's not to like? Also got a Savage 340 and Glenfield 30 for dirt cheap and in very good condition too. So I guess my calibers will be 30-30, 30-06, and 270 because I want to reload but not for a million cartridges. If I ever get another rifle it's gonna be a 7mm PRC or 300 win mag maybe. That's it for me. I have a couple 5.56 and 7.62x39s. No need for much more between all these. .308 is cool but I don't need it now.
At reasonable hunting ranges which I feel is 400 yards or less, there is very precious little difference in the two Chamberings on deer sized game and smaller using equal weight bullets. Where I think the .308 starts to differentiate itself a decent bit is in the huge range of rifles and ammunition availability and cost per a shot. You cant go wrong with either one for hunting.
Great comparison, and bigger seems to be better 😉 However your energy colors and some numbers are wrong, check the .308 Hornady line for 500 yds at 10:02, and the .308 180 color at 500. Also, in terms of probability to hit the target, once you factor for muzzle velocity and target distance, the wind deflection is the most important, so the higher the BC the better.
At 8:29, is there an error in the chart for the .308 Rem CL tipped 180gr, or am I not understanding the chart? It looks as if the energy is higher than some of the other green ones.
Been thinking about buying a new rifle to go on a new scope I bought I bought the Bushnell 5 * 30 * 56 promax looking to get a gun to go on a recommendations
Hey Adam, it looks like the energy table is color coated off a little, the 308 rem core-lokted tipped 180gr looks to be the best/close to the best out to 400 yards by the numbers, I only noticed bc that’s one of the rounds my 308 shoots the best. Just something I noticed.
As others have said. I've got both and there is nothing wrong with either one, but if I had to choose just one it would probably be the .270. with that said, my .270 came later in life and most all of the deer I've taken have been with the .308 in my old Model 88 Winchester. None ever went very far at all, and I've never had to fire a second shot to kill one.
Pour un chasseur, il est aussi important que le coup gaspille le moins de venaison possible. Alors les projectiles rapides, lorsqu'ils frappent précisément, font tomber plus rapidement le gibier mais ils gaspillent plus de venaison. Alors une 308W avec un projectile lourd, donc plus lent, aura une meilleure pénétration tout en gaspillant moins de venaison. On parles alors par exemple 0.308 RUAG 196gr SWISS P AP, ou tout autre projectile lourd en 180gr ou 200gr 308W. C'est mon point, mais je suis peut-être trop vieux comme on dit.
I live in Central Idaho. If u own both these u have most things covered. I would add a 300 for those special special hunts where u can expect distance. We all love to overthink it. I also don't hate on any cartridges.
270 was my first high power rifle, still love it although I've since gotten into 45-70 and 300 Win Mag. 270 will always have a place in my heart. My Ruger M77 with 150gr power shock is a laser!
My 2 favorite centerfire rifle cartridges. Overall 270 is my preference for hunting. The one place 308 shines is in short barrels 270 benefits from longer barrels and slower powders 308 is an extremely efficient cartridge in shorter barrels and has great barrel life.
My first centerfire was a BSA 270 Winchester, just because that was what a friend sold me. I hunted with that rifle for a long time and still have it, and it never let me down.
I will always have a soft spot for 270.
Thanks for another great video 📹
The 270WIN absolutely shines with the Nosler 150gr Accubond LR. I am getting 2900fps at the muzzle in a 22” barrel. At 3500ft DA This load can deliver 2222fps/1645ftlb payload at 500m (550yd).
The trajectory is flat so you get a long MPBR… and the sectional density is 0.279 which is higher than the SD of a 180gr 0.308” bullet. So penetration is absolutely respectable if you use bullets that retain weight. IMO with this bullet the 270WIN is Moose/Elk capable within most hunters personal ethical range limit.
The old girl is still a very fine cartridge and posts impressive performance when topped off with these modern high BC bonded bullets… Modern performance whilst still retaining that old school nostalgia. ❤️❤️❤️
Cheers!
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Are these factory loads or hand loads you’re shooting? Just picked up some 150gr ABLR’s to hand load in my 270.
I always thought that the .270 was the perfect deer cartridge
I have both the .308 and the .270.
Had the .308 for over 30 years, and got my .270 about 5 years ago. I haven’t hunted with my .308 since I got the .270, so that should pretty much explain my preference of the two. (I bought my .270 for a moose hunt when I got drawn for the first time in my life here in eastern Canada, and it did the job well.) 🙂
Thats good to hear. I have been rackig my brain with researching calibers for a good "do it all" and i was between .270 , 7mm08 , .308 , 30-06 or 7mm rem lol i hate when they give us so many decisions lol
@@mattiecreatessame here 😂, what did you end up going with
270 is better to me but every one has a opinion of their own
Ballistically your totally correct on the .270.
For me it’s cost per foot pound of energy. Abd in that race the .308 wins. I’m low income and a beginner in an ammo shortage. So I stick to the most popular calibers for financial reasons.
Line to me the .300 win mag is probably the best foot pounds for dollars among magnum cartridges (I would define magnum rifle cartridges as exceeding 3,500 foot pounds).
I think the only area the .308 wins is in economics which is a big factor.
Bush gun: 308..stretching it out: 270.. Both do the jabb
@danielcurtis1434 what are you trying to hunt with 308. 270 is perfect for deer
I just believe that the .270 is a bit more versatile especially for reloaders...I just never understand why they don't compare apples to apples maybe he will.not there yet,compare a 130grn against a 130grn or 150grn etc.😮😊
To me they do the same job and can kill the same animal in the same time and way but the 270 starts to take over at range and has slightly less recoil
I have taken deer and bear with both. If I had to choose just one out of the two it would be the 270. But I do like both cartridges.
1 thing I truly enjoy about your comparison video's is your honest.
The specs, then your honest opinion and if for what ever someone doesn't agree with your opinion you've given enough info that someone can go looking for themselves.
Keep up the good work
Got my 308 at 10yrs old so 42yrs later it still holds a special place. Got a 270 in my early 20's load both, love both. 270 gets more use but now its 300wm and 45/70 for fun. Not that many things here in Australia need any of them
Hey Adam! Hello from north of the 49th! I love the way you present your videos! They are so easy to understand rather than some of the guys that try too hard to be technical when they're not. Always a pleasure to see your videos! Keep it up!!! From the frozen chosen in Canada!
🙏🙏🙏 appreciate you watching
I’ve had 243s to 300 win mags. My 270 700 Remington is low recoil and lazar flat to 300 yards and still pretty cheap to buy . Dear rarely take a step from any angle. Each is own 👍🏻🇺🇸
Love the part where it only takes an overbore cartridge with magnum pressures, more than half an inch more case length and loads more powder to achieve all that.
Truly a miracle of engineering :)
As an avid reloader, it's the 308 every day. That said, I don't think a deer would be able to tell the difference within four to five hundred yards.
Especially if you hit the brain stem!!!
@@danielcurtis1434yeah right buddy😂
@@ArmedAndIndigenous hey “I’m a dreamer”
I live and hunt on the central plains. Of course a 270 is a preferred round out here. Our state tree is a utility pole. The land is so flat you can see tomorrow coming. However, in the competition circles, 270s are scarce. 308s are fairly common, and have been for decades. The ranges I hunt at are well within the range of a 308. I own only 1 308, an M1A. I own no 270s. One 30-06, though, and a raft of 243s and smaller calibers. Fair to say, exchange any one of my rifles for a 270 and I'll still have everything covered. How about next comparing the 7mm Rem. Mag with the 270 Winchester. Both are very common and very versatile. Thanks for the video. Always enjoyable.
I wish I could recall which comedian said it, but he said, "The land is so flat that when your dog runs away, you can see him running for days."
Great video I’m in northern Alberta had 270’s sold bought 7mm mags then wife and kids started hunting bought them 308’s I now have 2 308’s weall use 150 gr ttsx elk moose muley whitetails bear wolf they perform great up to 400 yards and thats as for as we shoot sneak in closer we bow hunt early season all fun great meat family bonding get your kids out hunting
For tree stand deer hunting, one is as good as the other. For longer ranges, though, yes the 270 smokes the 308 handily. And adding even more to this is the fact that velocities for the 270 can be improved more than the 308 through hand loading. You can really only add about 100 fps to the 308 over factory loads but you can get 200 fps, sometimes more, added velocity to the 270.
Compare the ballistics of a .308 Win. firing a 130 gr. bullet @ 3,200 fps and then get back to me.
Always wanted a Pre64 Model 70 in .270 that would be sweet.
I worked up a load for a friend of mine that has one. I ended up get .5" 3-shot groups with 130gr bullets at 3150fps muzzle velocity. Just perfect.
Exactly what my Grandpa passed down to me 😍
What factory loads do they seem to like most? I need to dabble with papa's rifle, but not too much:)
They are my father hunted with a pre64 in the 308 and took many elk with this new bullet that his friend was getting from a guy named John Nosler.
@@edwardabrams4972 Was it the partition?
Down to personal preference...I'm a 270 guy though and have never had a reason to change. Been shooting from springbuck to eland with it for many years. Also doing pretty good with it in NRL matches over here
.270 still holds it own with modern cartridges. I always laughed when people would tell me they quit using their .270 and bought a 6.5cm.
Thanks your conclusion was correct in my book in experience as well .Its so hard to beat the 130 gr 270 on deer sized game .
Except a 130 grain in 308🤔😳😱 newer bullets and powders makes it just as good and also cheaper!
Well said 👍🏻👍🏻
@@edwardabrams4972 same can be said with the 270 its not the same it preforms better even at range on target and game . But the main point here is that especially for the person who does not reload the best over the counter gun/Ammo in this pairing will remain the 270 .But if a guy likes a 308 thats ok it will get the job done as well .Its just a performance argument really .
We could argue caliber and cartridge six ways until Sunday (or whatever the expression should be) . I would argue 7mm-08 130 gr Speer HC is a closer competitor to, perhaps the true new (since 1980) 270 short action cartridge in that 130 gr bullet weight/SD class. Truth is, can the cartridge combination get the job you want done for you in your environment? That's all that matters. Can 308W get it done cheaper? Most likely. Does it matter? To whom?
You did alot of work on this video. Appreciate it!
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Another awesome, entertaining and informative presentation! I own and enjoy using both cartridges.
Yo who tee who, good vid man!
The .308 wins, trust me and ask any deer guide/ outfitter.
I believe the 7mm-08 is the best deer cartridge even for elk.
Shot placement is key.
So .308 superior on deer to a .270. Yet a short .308 necked down to .284 good for elk. Ok
Cheers 👍
Great video and great info. Great BC on the CL Tip on the 270, it scored me an 8pt. For me the 270 is my go to. I appreciate the info… Great stuff Adam! Thanks!
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I'd be interested in 270 Win vs 6.5 PRC if you ever get a chance to make that video. Keep up the good work. My brother and I always enjoy your videos.
Both rounds have taken every game animal in the world; because as you said it’s about shot placement (and I’ll add bullet construction). In the civilian sector i used a .270 as a sniper for my State (though never that small of round as a Marine). Good video
308 still has over 1 mile confirmed kill in combat. It's only been out done by 338 Lapua and 50 BMG.
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The 270 30 cal fight. Lol
Both of em are good.
Great vids
It's interesting you mention recoil. I'm not a big guy by any stretch of the imagination at 5'7 and 138 lbs, but I regularly shoot my 300 Win Mag with no issues whatsoever. It comes down to the right set up, practice and becoming used to the rifle calibre in question. I can happily put 30-40 shots downrange with the 300 on a given day. I'll be a little sore in the shoulder the next day, but it's really nothing significant. And the recoil there makes the 270 and 308 look pretty tame.
Probably the 2 best options for deer in my opinion. My kids have flat lined pretty good bucks at distance with an ole wore out 742 308 that was my grampa’s. But I have a soft spot for the 100 yr old 270! I own several other calibers that dominate the 270 in all of those scientific graphs but year in year out ole girl does her thing!!!
With that being said thank you for comparing the two! Love watching your videos!!!
Thanks for doing this man! Great videos, keep them coming!
I love 308. Finally got one again after a few years of not having one.
A couple units here only allow copper, so i just prefer to only bother with copper hunting loads.
Regardless, I love your tests and data - always makes me happy.
Your perspective and explanation is the Heart of your show i my humble opinion
Given those two choices, .308 will get the job done, but I'll take .270 all day for the extra range it has. Also, .277 caliber bullets have a higher sectional density per grain size compared to .30 caliber. The higher the sectional density, the better the penetration. For instance, a 150 grain bullet in .270 has an SD of .279, yet you'd have to step up to a 180 grain in .308 to still come up slightly short with an SD of .271.
Additionally, .270 has higher velocity at all distances (which can be loaded down as well). However, another thing that sometimes gets overlooked is downrange velocity for proper bullet expansion and terminal performance. With 2,000 fps being the lowest velocity threshold for many bullets. However, with many loads, .308 can oftentimes fall below 2,000 fps by 300-400 yds, whereas .270 maintains 2,000 fps to 400-500 yds and beyond.
But yet another benefit is that .270 tends to have better wind drift numbers than .308. Bullet drop is a gravitational constant that can easily be adjusted for, whereas wind drift is affected by several variables, making it trickier to compensate for with longer shots in particular. I'll take better wind drift numbers over a flatter trajectory any day. However, .270 has the benefit of being both a much flatter shooting cartridge AND with less wind drift than .308.
With all that said, if all you do is hunt within 300 yds, let alone within 150 yds, pick either one, because they'll both perform pretty much identically for the most part. However, given the choice of .270 or .308, I much prefer .270 for the added downrange performance, less wind drift, and higher sectional density (generally) that it offers. It's just a more capable round in that sense. Particularly for hunters who only shoot factory ammo.
I was all ready to go off in the comments, but you got it right. It's not even close as far as I'm concerned. The .270 is way better than the .308. The .270 has been my favorite cartridge, but the new 7mm PRC looks even better.
Depends if you want to have more energy basically from zero to 390 yards the 180 grain 308 wins hands down with more energy and bigger bore wound channel. The 270 is a great round but the 308 has a lot of diversity and availability in ammo too.
@@C.D.-tz6sk I can use Hornady .270 145gr ELD-X and I'm within 3" of zero all the way out to 300 yards, and is over 1,500 fpe at 700 yards. Compare this to a Federal .308 at 180 gr. I'm within 3" of zero only out 250 yards, and it drops below 1500 fpe at 300 yards. It is not even a close comparison. The .270 Win goes beyond my abilities to shoot it. The .308 does not.
Actually if you shoot game at those distances the 308 180grain has over 1500 fpe out to 400 yards not 300. I cant seem to find any 270 ballistics on google for fpe for the round you mentioned. If it has that energy of 1500fpe at 700 yards you mentioned that is very impressive to say the least and what kind of energy does it have at 100 -300/400 yards? I would venture to say it would vaporize a lot of meat. Also I would bet 99% of hunters would not shoot game past 300 or maybe 400 yards. So maybe for you the 270 is superior for you, but not for many or most.. It definately is for being a flat shooting cartridge which isn't what I was talking about. But for punching bigger wound channels with 1500+ fpe out to 400 yards without destroying a lot of meatI believe the 308 in the readily available 180 grain wins in that category. It does depend on each person and what and where they hunt really. @@daithi1966
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My dude is correct. 270 has a better BC and greater case capacity. It delivers a little more energy in most comparable loads. In those loads that produce about the same energy, the 270 can do it flatter and further.
I'd def agree with the fact that 308 is much more affordable and available, has a larger variety of factory loads to choose from too.
It is an awesome flat shooting cartridge and I may have to get one, but my point I was making is also correct. My point was not about the trajectory but that the 180grain load for the 308 has more energy from muzzle to about 400 yards. Couple that with the larger wound channel from the bigger diameter bullet. The 180grain 308 round is not hard to come by@@thereindeertherabbitthebat592
I have a 270 model 700 and I love it. I put a Timany adjustable trigger in it set at 2.5 lbs,I’m the only person that shots it. This rifle it extremely accurate.
What a great video amazing I've always loved the 270 Now you've just made my day.
I like em both ! Picked 308 in the "great $hortage" . Thanks WTW
The extinct 270 WSM smokes them both
I have both. Out to 100 meters and beyond is when the 270Win comes into its own . But I find the 308 better at closer ranges because the bullet doesn’t rip straight through and unloads all its energy into pigs etc . I haven’t used my 308 in 6-7 years now since moving to a farm with wide open fields . Great video!
A very good friend of mine used to load 110 grain in his 270
great video, man, thank you. i have both. can't tell the difference on deer. shot many more with the 308 under 100 yards, devastating. if hunting longer that 300 yards, 270 rules. its all about how close you can get before taking the shot. cheers, pete
Great and informative video. Thanks for taking the time to throw some education at me!
Appreciate you watching!
7mm-08 and you have the best of both worlds!!!
Appreciate the content. New to hunting but video was very informative.
Great show and thanks for the info 💯😀😀💯😀💯💯
Bigger is not always better, sometimes smaller cartridges can outperform bigger ones, depending on the load, projectile type, and barrel length.
308 is equivalent of a 6.5 Creedmoor they say. I'll stick to my 300 Win mag and leave the guessing to the peanut gallery ! Another great video Who Tee. Round here in Kentucky most folks use a 270 or a 30-30.
Very interesting! Thank you. Useful. Keep on broadcasting!
My first buck was shot with a 270 Superformance Hornady round in which the box said it had 3200 FPS muzzle velocity. At 126 yards it hit a bit high and became a lung shot. I found the deer a few feet from the shot position and part of its lung was hanging out of the entry wound. It did the job with no problem.
Good work Adam. Look at the 180 308 energy chart might be the wrong color
270 has always been a better cartrige for me. Good handloads and a 26" barrel 140s at 3000fps is a great flat shooting option. I've had light 308s that were awefull to shoot felt like your teeth were getting knocked out.
As a military cartrige the 308 works well but for hunting I'd rather a 7mm08 or 270
Excellent video. Love the .270. Won several bets shooting factory ammo.
Would love to see 300WM , 30-06 , .308 , 270 , 25-06 , vs whatever Creedmoor or PRC you can get , and if you want throw whichever RUM you have into the mix . It could just be a compilation from old videos , if you want . Thanks !
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I have both, love both but 270 win. lives in my heart since I started to hunt big game, it was my first caliber! Since that I've bought 308'and 06 also with excellent results.
I have noticed and comparing to the others, the 270w is more "violent" to my ears, has more "sharp" noise out of the muzzle, normally I don't use ear protection during hunting.
Great video,great comparison,and thank you for showing us.
Greetings.
Some of the color coding on your energy chart is still outta wack. But that being said, your overall assessment is still on point. I love my compact short barrel 308 for hunting spots with shots 200 yards or less. I take the ole true70 in spots where I could have a shot over 200. Love them both.
Looking forward to testing out my slinger this weekend. 3 day hunting trip for me next weekend yay
Personally for all around big game I prefer several of the 7mm rounds to either of those cartridges?
Can you do 300 rum vs 300 win mag vs 300 prc? I am very curious. Feel free to throw in 338 win mag one of my favorites.
That'd be interesting.
Love the federal 136 trophy bonded grain and i love hornadys different grain weights speeds and g1 ballistics coefficients thats the two things im after if my gun can also group them well. Would love to see u test some of these other ones i mentioned in ur other calibers please i get it it they cost money but its more information content that some u tubers arent putting out thanks have a good day
I think wind drift is a much better comparison than bullet drop... Gravity is a constant and bullet drop can always be calculated... Wind is not and much harder to read and figure out
Also double check your charts... I noticed the 180 grain 308 should be very green across the board for energy and it is not lol
I don’t see no 6.5 CM fan boys here, they must be in the woods still looking for that blood trail 😂
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My .358 Winchester always has a blood trail. @@WHOTEEWHO
I’m 30.06 dude, have many calibers configurations ect and have not had any 6.5 creedmore fails… use Barnes 120 ttsx kills
308 Barnes TTSX 130s, 7mm-08 Barnes 120s and 6.5mm Barnes 120s, nothing wrong here. @@lagoonrd4173
I have shot a plain vanilla 6.5x55 since I built it in the 1990’s. It has killed many things. It is also loaded to modern capabilities, so behaves more like a 270 if somewhat flatter as range gets longer. BC is king.
The new generation of cartridges are designed to attract buyers with often intangible benefits. If you miss or gut-shoot it really doesn’t matter what the numbers say. Get a good rifle, feed it decent ammo, and get good with it over varying distances. And if it ain’t broke don’t fix it. Last one was at 700metres. Instant lights-out! But I have measured actual performance and drops and dial it in. This was also from a stable rest. I also knew the actual distances to features in the valley by measurement.
I was trying to decide between the two for my first hunting rifle. This video helped!
Thank you
Thanks for watching
What did you go with?
@Jrmudbogger23 i went with the 308. There was a guy in line that convinced me.
Got my granddaughter a Browning BAR 270 for her next birthday. That rifle was expensive.
thank you. Just made up my mind. Been researching.
Great video and information. I like the 270!
I think the .270 has a nicer recoil impulse than the short action .308.
I really think the long action stuff, like 30-06 and .270 should come out with 24inch barrel. You already lose about an inch of barrel against the .308, just because the cartridge sticks so far into the barrel from the chamber, and then (specially if you shoot in low light) you can see half the propellant is burning a meter long flame outside the barrel.
270 because that’s what I got within a savage axis 2019 + weaver 3-9x40 + Nielsen Sonic suppressor.
Really happy with the performances at all range. I really enjoy stuff when they are good and cheap.
Why did I choose a 270 ? Because I have trusted my blacksmith.
Thanks for this video.
My first high power was a 270. Still have one, a Rem 700 LH.....but I also have a Rem 700 308....LH ......26 inch bull barrel. Love both.....never compared the 2..
Good job Adam...2 calibers I'm formiler w/ & own both for me in open woods I keep picking up the 308
I'll keep the .270W. A higher degree of versatility/performance
Love your content
2,270,s 3 ,308s love all them
I really like 270. That being said. I don't have a 308. May have to try one. Maybe ?
.270 is a classic and in total agreement.
But to play devils advocate, if you argue in a certain way, you can pick the .308.
1, shorter action, lighter more compact rifle.
2, less recoil, more compatibility with a wider range of shooters.
3. In most eastern states, you'll not be shooting more than 200yds. At that range, a deer will never know the difference.
All that being said, I'm an old school .270 guy.
Thanks for the great content. Best channel on the inter-web!
Almost forgot AR10. Hmm.
Me n my son argue these 2 calibers alway, he’s a 270 guy n I like my 308 cause it does what I need it to do n it does have less recoil n I’m hunting in the hills along the Ohio river in PA N IF YOU GET 100 yrd shot it’s not often !! Both got calibers , I always tell him if you make a bad shot with a 308 it’ll make a bigger hole which = more blood trail !!
I don't have a favorite between the two but it would be interesting to compare .308 130gr. To the .270 130gr. Bullet
Flip a coin.
With 150gr bullets, the .270 will have 12% more recoil and apx 2.5" less drop at 300yrds.
If you wish to hunt with a bullet heavier than 150gr's, choose the .308 win as most manufacturers dont offer this in a .270 Win.
To be clear, most rifles chambered in .270 win over the last 100 years have a 1:10 barrel twist which will not stabilize the use of long heavier bullets with high ballistic coefficients and improved sectional densities.
I've hunted with a .270win for years before switching to a .308win and found both to be well suited for my needs.
For hunting deer, I prefer the .308 win not because of a performance benefit, but rather the rifles which its chambered in. To be clear, when hunting from a tree climber or a box stand, I prefer a rifle which is a bit more compact and easier to move around with in a compact location. Lastly, I must admit I've grown very fond of the 6.5 Creedmoor as it has less recoil than a .270 or .308, shoots very flat in comparison to the trajectories of the mentioned cartridges and I cannot tell a difference in its performance on deer sized game. At a height of over 6ft and a weight of 200+, I'm not a small man, but having a cartridge with such a light recoil makes extended shooting practices a pleasure which in turn builds confidence for making extended shots.
Great video again. I have both and use both. It boils down to which one will best suit me for the day or the trip. If I will be walking a lot I opt for the lighter weight rifle. They both will do the job.
it just comes down to no real hunting difference. It's like wearing one outfit vs another. Just another day, different outfit...
Awesome video brother,
Your water jug test are awesome too .
Its all about bullet weight and velocity love your videos 😅
You would know .all the time you are on the range.great job
That's a tough one, i have both and each has it's purpose. If i could only have one i would have to pick 270.
130 gr. V 150. gr or 165 gr changes. Bc and terminal fp. 270 beats a lot of 30.06 at farher distances.
Спасибо! 308 - 180gr norma bond straice Ecstrim ballistic table 1500 yards video❤😍🔥💯👌💪✋.
Thanks who tee who love my .270win and i live in south africa doesnt dissapoint😂😂
I bought a 270 recently and picked up an 06 with it because it was a prestine sportorized 1917. Didn't know much about it but I thought it looked nice and the action was smooth. $200 for a solid 06; what's not to like? Also got a Savage 340 and Glenfield 30 for dirt cheap and in very good condition too. So I guess my calibers will be 30-30, 30-06, and 270 because I want to reload but not for a million cartridges. If I ever get another rifle it's gonna be a 7mm PRC or 300 win mag maybe. That's it for me. I have a couple 5.56 and 7.62x39s. No need for much more between all these. .308 is cool but I don't need it now.
At reasonable hunting ranges which I feel is 400 yards or less, there is very precious little difference in the two Chamberings on deer sized game and smaller using equal weight bullets. Where I think the .308 starts to differentiate itself a decent bit is in the huge range of rifles and ammunition availability and cost per a shot. You cant go wrong with either one for hunting.
Great comparison, and bigger seems to be better 😉 However your energy colors and some numbers are wrong, check the .308 Hornady line for 500 yds at 10:02, and the .308 180 color at 500. Also, in terms of probability to hit the target, once you factor for muzzle velocity and target distance, the wind deflection is the most important, so the higher the BC the better.
not that it matters chart is flawed in the energy side look back at the 180 grain .308
If you like both and can not make up your mind go with a 7mm 08...perfect mix of both.
Wish u would do more paper plate testing I love those .
Stay tuned
At 8:29, is there an error in the chart for the .308 Rem CL tipped 180gr, or am I not understanding the chart? It looks as if the energy is higher than some of the other green ones.
I still would prefer my 30.6 great show dude
Been thinking about buying a new rifle to go on a new scope I bought I bought the Bushnell 5 * 30 * 56 promax looking to get a gun to go on a recommendations
Hey Adam, it looks like the energy table is color coated off a little, the 308 rem core-lokted tipped 180gr looks to be the best/close to the best out to 400 yards by the numbers, I only noticed bc that’s one of the rounds my 308 shoots the best. Just something I noticed.
As others have said. I've got both and there is nothing wrong with either one, but if I had to choose just one it would probably be the .270. with that said, my .270 came later in life and most all of the deer I've taken have been with the .308 in my old Model 88 Winchester. None ever went very far at all, and I've never had to fire a second shot to kill one.
Pour un chasseur, il est aussi important que le coup gaspille le moins de venaison possible. Alors les projectiles rapides, lorsqu'ils frappent précisément, font tomber plus rapidement le gibier mais ils gaspillent plus de venaison. Alors une 308W avec un projectile lourd, donc plus lent, aura une meilleure pénétration tout en gaspillant moins de venaison. On parles alors par exemple 0.308 RUAG 196gr SWISS P AP, ou tout autre projectile lourd en 180gr ou 200gr 308W. C'est mon point, mais je suis peut-être trop vieux comme on dit.
I live in Central Idaho. If u own both these u have most things covered. I would add a 300 for those special special hunts where u can expect distance. We all love to overthink it. I also don't hate on any cartridges.
270 was my first high power rifle, still love it although I've since gotten into 45-70 and 300 Win Mag. 270 will always have a place in my heart. My Ruger M77 with 150gr power shock is a laser!
Noticed an error on the tipped 180 energy chart, the numbers stay second of all the ammo but are all in the red.
My 2 favorite centerfire rifle cartridges. Overall 270 is my preference for hunting. The one place 308 shines is in short barrels 270 benefits from longer barrels and slower powders 308 is an extremely efficient cartridge in shorter barrels and has great barrel life.