CAN HELLBATS RUIN ZERG EARLY GAME? - StarCraft 2 - Getting Good - Silver League 1v1 Terran Vs Zerg
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- Опубліковано 29 чер 2024
- Hello Everyone,
Ollie here and back with another StarCraft 2 1v1.
Another game of Silver League!
Hope you enjoy :D
What I'd love to know is where you think I can improve.
As always, I'd love your feedback and comments, I'm enjoying getting better with your help!
Look forward to chatting next time.
Ollie
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Hellbat pushes are really strong, especially with a medivac. I used to do a version which includes a battlecruiser and transitions into mech. The way they are countered is banelings or roaches. Banelings actually counter hellbats because they will always explode on your hellbats unless marines shoot them. You have to split your hellbats as well as marines against banelings. Roaches are more obvious and win by brute force. There's no real way to beat them if your opponent knows it's coming and prepares enough roaches. You're better off using hellions to harass and building up because roaches will hamper your opponent's economy so you wouldn't even need to attack to be ahead. You do have to prepare tanks or marauders because a counter attack with roaches can be devastating early on when you don't have enough marines.
You know I never considered transitioning into battle cruisers until this moment. Thanks man
FYI Hatch, gas, pool is one of the most common zerg openings. Your opponent really dropped the ball building only ling and hydras against that many Hellbats
Ahhh okay.
I’ve been watching my relays back for the last 2 months (which is when I got into it again) and I saw a lot of spawning poop openings.
I’ll start to remeber this is the standard now
Also I havnt seen your name before I don’t think. If you’re new, welcome!
Hope to see you on the discord server 👍❤️
@@Voidspacealpha yes, 18 pool, 17 gas, is another quite common one, it's slightly more defensive.
Okay cool, noted. Cheers man that’s very useful to know
A few theory notes, you went for the nat CC before the orbital. If you rally your barracks worker to a mineral patch, then to nat position, it will finish mining as you hit 400 minerals. Then you can go 2nd depot and 2nd gas at around the same time. Ebay was a little too fast, youd want your second rax and factory before that. Also, you can push back the armory a bit, but you did have the gas for it with your build. Otherwise good play, and good killer instinct.
Oh cool thanks man, I’ll give this a go.
And also, don’t think I’ve seen you comment before, if you’re new here welcome! Cheers for the support. Feel free to join the discord server
@@Voidspacealpha ive been subbed for a bit. Great commentaries on your games.
Yeah, there are a few really simple openings for each race that really "flow". Its 16 hatch for Z and nexus core for P. You can get that first minute to run really smooth and become easy muscle memory. (im a P1 random player)
depot => gas => rax => orbital => CC => depot => gas => bunker (if you want) => fac
and then you can start branching off an making decisions. That can easily get you past gold 1, and its the easy build because it "flows" so nice. Once you get the muscle memory, you can hit the spending down to the second.
Oh cool man.
I look forward to getting that good at it
3 things
1) if you had a single medivac with that first push you might have won the game right there or atleast allowed yourself to retreat once the ling reinforcements showed up be picking up and flying away. If you're playing bio, medivacs are your best support.
2) Take your 3rd and 4th gassas a little earlier. Mules make mineral income good once the second orbital is done. So if your muling each mule is worth 2.5 scvs mining over a minute.
3) congrats on the win!!!
Thanks!
And they are all great observations, thank you.
I don’t think I’ve seen you comment on my stuff before so if you’re new here thanks for stopping by and welcome to the channel.
Feel free to jump on the discord if you like too ❤️
@Voidspacealpha I commented on another video 2 days ago this is my second video with you
Oh cool, thanks man.
I really appreciate it, sorry I suck with names and stuff, it’s getting a bit out of hand here now 😅
@Voidspacealpha it's fine. I'm still new to you, but hey, you did better this game than last, so their is tangible improvement.
Any improvement is better than none, that’s all I ask for
My preferring to play mech is completely based on my love of the hellbat. Now you can understand why. Now I'm not suggesting you ever play like me if you want to win but still.
I’m
Enjoying this style vs Zerg for sure, and honestly I don’t think in terms of mech vs bio, o think of all marines as meat shield
Another one bites the dust
Indeed. Seems to be working well this
At 5:12 you're asking if you're producing well or if its doing terribly.
A good benchmark that all races can reach is, by 6 min ingame time, you'd be at around 100 supply with a regular meta-army.
Pro [Edited: Zerg] players reach ~120 consistently at 6 mins.
Okay that’s a good metric. I’ll use this. Thanks
Also, if you're going to be using this as a build, I'll just make you aware that played like this with marines and hellbats to hit a timing attack is extremely allin. 8 banelings and you're sent back to the lobby. If you want to allin, thats obviously fine. I just remember you stating you don't like all-in plays.
I wasn’t really thinking of it as an all in, it was more of an early aggression with a transition if needed.
This time I didn’t need it, but really I should have got an extra factory down and started tanks tbh
@@Voidspacealpha Anything where your third base is down later than 4 minutes is getting closer to an allin. Anything with your third base down later than 6 mins requires you to do damage to be able to transition. Anything later than that and you should consider yourself allin.
This is misleading. Maru (the guy with 500+apm) last game did 90, and its all marines with 2 banshee. He literally have 100 (when tanks and medivacs came from factorys) on 6:40.
6:52 - supply. You even moused over your bases on the minimap, yet you still didnt spend 3 seconds throwing down a depot...
7:46 - you see how you placed first 2-ish depots there? That's bad, coz hitboxes are not actually square or smth and sometimes units can go through diagonal gap like that.
8:15 - there's a third base for him, you can see the creep. Also you didnt hotkey the barracks you built after the first push.
9:00 - despite him GGing here - gas is like the last thing you should be taking out. Should've went for the main instead.
Also sorry if you cover some of those in the part where you watch the replay coz im writing it down as soon as i see it in the video
9:55 - that's not "super-super early" for zerg, that's actually on time for his build (maybe a couple of seconds late even).
Hey man, never apologise. I appreciate you being here and helping me!
These are all good tips, and I’m very conscious just because I got a win, it shouldn’t make me complacent at the basics, thanks for keeping me on track ❤️
@@Voidspacealpha also you were lucky he went for hydras for.... some reason. If he had gone for roaches instead, pulled the queens and drones back instead of just losing them he could've defended and more or less not die.
in fact idk why he didnt pull the drones, it's not like it takes lots of micro to do, just rightclick them behind the main or smth
also at 14:24 he A clicked THE ROCKS. Zerglings would've died anyways but that's funny
I never noticed that on the rock lol
Nice micro
Is this legit or sarcasm? I can’t tell.
I suck at micro
silver league doesnt use army hotkeys, they doesnt place 3d base earlier then 15min (like this zerg doesnt do it). U just smurfed that poor player by quick prodaction and no supply blocks which is atleast diamond 3.
Shame on you
Haha.
The amount of times I get accused of being a Smurf is worrying. I wish I was that good 😅