PLAY TO WIN'S CASUAL EDH DECKS and THE SALTIEST CARDS IN COMMANDER
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- Join Dylan and Cam as they talk about their casual EDH decks and discuss their thoughts on the saltiest cards in commander
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I’m posting this here primarily as I don’t really know where to contact you guys directly. I just wanted to let you know that I’m 48, I’ve never contributed to a patron, I’ve never played cedh, and I’ve never played via online with a camera (spelltable and the like), but soon (next month or so) I will be, your channel inspired me, and I’ve watched a hell of a lot of content over the past six or so years. Keep up what you’re doing. People listen.
Cam’s response from discord (we showed them your comment): “Thank you for sharing, that means a hell of a lot”
This is amazing! Good luck mate
Hey, you're a real one. Best of luck on your journey man!
@@RINNECODA 🍷🗿
I hope you will have so much fun!
Oh I concede all the time. Rather have my time than a slow death. Oh and Armageddon Avacyn was my first EDH deck ever.
Kyle I just wanted to say, I became a huge fan since the Take 5 joke on the “I hate your deck” episode. you’re by far the most entertaining player out there’
If I've never seen a combo before, I will ask to see it played out 1. Because I think learning new combos is interesting and 2. The person performing the combo may want to actually go through the steps and explain what the combo is (has happened quite a few times), but after that, I'm conceding to save time
Concessions are perfectly fine.
Also respect for the geddon angle.
I wish that casual was more okay with disruption.
@@Dracomandriuthus I think people are pretty fine with whatever they're able to match. If someone has one-sided mld and nobody else is ready for or able to fight it, then it may not be a fair game
love your stuff
Remember, just because it's call Play to Win doesn't mean it has to be competitive. It's a nice refresher to see casual talk from a channel that doesn't seem so commercialized!
Wort players represent! I started it as a budget list but fell in love with what Natural Order can do such as cheating out Nyxbloom and Regal Force (or Avenger of Zendikar) for 4 mana
Bounty of might is lethal commander
YAY casual! I watch CEDH content, but only play casual, so I love this stuff! Also.... I may have just put Obliterate into my casual Lord Windgrace deck, but my justification is that it doesn't kill my commander, and I can immediately reanimate 2 lands from my graveyard with him, so its VERY much breaking parity and moving my gameplan along
same lol
Same here, mate.
Glad we're all on the same page 🫡
The very first game of Commander I ever won was partially due to Jokulhaups (obliterate but counterable for 2 less mana, for those unaware) in my Neera Chaos deck. I had ramped off my opponents' spells with the wand from baldur's gate so I had enough to follow with Delina and the blue Braids, and I ended up getting better things to put down off braids than my opponents (namely bubbling beebles while the two remaining opponents had enchantments, and a hulking metamorph that won by copying beebles while they both had 9 life left)
The main reason I cast it was one of the players was on Kenrith. With over 30 lands out. And 30 more life than the next highest total. And Kenrith already had like 10 commander tax. He would've won the game if not for the Jokulhaups and jt taught me that the nuclear option is sometimes necessary - if one player has almost every land in their deck out and no one else is above like, 9, by all accounts you've broken parity by putting rampy mcgee so far behind everyone else he can't recover, even with blue braids out
My principle is that I'm ok with whatever I feel I can match, if we talked pregame I wouldn't be salty because I would have a fair fight
Also I want that Edgar list…it sounds perfect!!!
Me too!
same here, i wanna build a deck with him lol
Replying in case y'all haven't found it. You can look at their linktree for decklists in the description.
They have a section for their casual decks to find the lists. (Been 2 months but should be the same mostly)
I'm surprised you guys had the Nitpicking Nerds on your channel considering all the misinformation they pushed about cEDH. I specifically unsubsidized from their channel because they kept pushing this idea that cEDH was a separate format and that people who play it are try-hards, their smooth-brained takes just turned me off so the fact that they even agreed to be on your channel really surprises me.
I love hearing you say 36 lands +2mdfc because that is exactly the sweet spot I've found in casual commander after years of playing and refinement.
im on the 32 lands and luck
Oh so your casual playgroups don't cut and just let you keep mulliganning to 7? Lol I just scoop and walk away to that nonsense.@@WACHULUKNAT
I totally agree with Casual EDH being so important to just consistently hit land drops. In decks where I have lots of other low drops to play (merfolk, party time, 3cc commander) I pretty much cut all ramp outside of sol ring and run 40-43 lands. Even with a lower curve its so useful to recast commander or double spell in the late game. As far as danger of flooding, you kind of have to run a lot of card advantage in commander as a multiplayer format anyways. So it can get you out of the flood. And if you arent flooded, its still good to get more land drops so you can play more of the cards you draw.
The problem with a lot of the land destruction cards in my opinion is that players don't know when to play them 90% of the time and the just drag the game out for like hours longer than it needs.
I don't mind mld if I'm in a fair matchup. If people can't play through it, answer it, or do something equally strong... it's probably an unfair fight which will create salt
Agreed. I just built a Thalia and the Gitrog Monster deck with landfall and land destruction. The first game I nuked the lands and lost so fast. I’ve learned to save it for the round when I can get 5-6 lands back and win right after the land wipe.
Love hearing your casual thoughts and seeing casual games. I think you both have a super fun and healthy mindset on casual because you get the sweatiness out in CEDH!
Hey Dylan, I have taken out all my ramp from my Wilhelt zombies deck. I think you are right, I want more zombies and stuff that revolves around the theme rather than having ramp with no zombies in play. I think some decks do not need ramp and my build is one of them. Wilhelt wants sac fodder and zombies so I can create more zombies, draw cards, kill stuff, drain life, reanimate them, etc. You should definitely try it out!!
isnt casual commander CEDH Casual Elder Dragon Highlander 🤔
My favorite part is Dylan wearing the Blue-Eyes Baby Dragon shirt.
I really value your opinions on casual, you bring a unique perspective to this discussion! I've also been trying to take inspiration from 60 card formats into my edh deckbuilding.
I absolutely love all of your casual podcasts and gameplay, keep it up!
I have an esper land destruction deck with Alela, Artful Provocateur with the idea being that I get rewarded for playing mana rocks in the form of faeries that produce a real boardstate and a real clock, and blowing people's lands is a wincon/tempo play that doesn't reset me. But I can basically never play it, and it has been shelved for a long time now.
Which brings me up to my point and a point that I believe PleasantKenobi brought at some point; if these cards (arma, RoW, land destruction period) are "soft banned" and frowned upon but 100% legal according to the rule book, what are we doing? Either ban them completely or play them the way they're supposed to be played and accept that in the correct circumstances, it's the way some decks win. But having an "official" banlist and an imaginary one that requires 4 hours of rule 0 conversation is just poor game design in my mind.
Cam, if you're not playing Storm King's Thunder in your Wort deck, you HAVE to try it 😂
Also I disagree on the Obliterate bit just a little- as long as an opponent is presenting an overwhelming boardstate prior to Obliterating (as they *should* do), then I'm totally cool with scooping it up. It's when some ding-dong without a snowball's chance in hell of winning decides to Obliterate into a board where everyone has dumped all of their resources into play and thus stalls the entire game by another hour that I get particularly pissed off in a casual game. At some point, you should know not to play a card if you don't understand how to play it or when the most opportune time is to play it. Just hold the damn thing unless the whole table is okay with an enormous disruption in the game OR you are holding up Boros Charm or Avacyn is in play or something.
Also, 100% of all the issues with banned cards would be totally fixed if the banlist *were not* considered as guidelines, but in fact, were designed for the purpose of a balanced format instead of a "fun experience" because "fun" is an entirely subjective metric, but "balanced" is equitably fair to all players.
Ehat are your thoughts on Thassas Oracle being used as a value card in a noncedh version of Azami wizards deck? Yes the deck runs mind over matter combo but the main wincons are lab man and jace. Deck runs 34 total wizards and only mana rocks being sol ring, arcane signet, sapphire diamond and thought vessel.
I think I disagree with some of your assessments due to your views being based on your curated pod. The banlist and the salty card list are mostly there for random encounters.
As a mostly casual player, a good portion of these cards are salty because you can't plan for them being included AND still meet a theme when playing with a random pod. I think that's what is missing here. The rule 0 conversation isn't perfect by the very nature of everyone having a different viewpoint and entry point for the format. In order to find a good pod, some sifting is gonna have to happen. And that can be anywhere from 1 to 100+ games until you meet the right people that vibe with you.
As a casual Commander player who does not play cEDH, I really appreciate your perspective on casual play. While I personally think Thoracle and infinite loops should be out of bounds for casual decks, I can see your point in evaluating case by case how well they may fit a deck's theme and power level. One thing I was surprised to see was the absence of Rhystic Study from the top ten salty list. It's public enemy number one in my book, and I think the cavalier way it gets auto-included in Blue decks fully justifies responding with Notion Thief in self defense.
I think for non cedh, anything is fair game as long as the game is matched. Mindset and deck-wise. If I'm sitting down for a social durdle and one person is cutthroating the table or my frog tribal is against thoracle control, it's gonna suck!
It’s ligit gets annoying do u pay the one every single up keep but it’s good with smoothing tide
Dylan is on point with his goal for casual EDG to be for his deck to do its thing, but also saying its not his opponent's job to let him. I with EDH players realized that. Casual EDH is so casual for some that it's become toxic. Any form of interaction with them is met with sulking or pass-agg.
i feel like for normal edh i dont see why you still cant play to win. your each even if it has a theme should still have a few win cons. of course talk with your table or if you are playing with a group of friends make your own rules for what can be in a deck or if you allow like otk's but as long as eveyone is having fun and is able to play reg edh is hell fun. i love my lotr watcher of the water draw on other peoples turns. but i have one combo that wins me the gaem if i pull it off but also takes 20 mana and 5 cards and has to be on someone else turn. technically its an otk but i need all the pieces on board. i love reg edh more the cedh just for friend groups for the most part but playing fast and a lot of games is alwasy more fun imo
People get way too up in arms about what is and isn't allowed at a casual commander table. Yes my deck has loops in it. Yes, I run removal and interaction. Yes, I have tutors. The goal of the game is to WIN the game, not to play for and hour + hoping that someone will finally just draw into enough power to finish the game.
Haven’t even got but 50 seconds into the video and I just wanted to say im sorry yall had to play commander with the nitpicking nerds they have the worst opinions ong
Oooo that’s a hot take on the lands 😮💨 I love a good Mirrodin foil land and other older foil lands!
Love the podcast! Thanks for putting these out!
Also: I am once again asking for a banlist review podcast. I'd love to hear yall's thoughts on what on the banlist you'd like to see be unbanned and thoughts on if anything should be banned that isn't (especially from the CEDH perspective).
Playing something like obliterate and not immediately winning or showing a win is just miserable.
Love the casual content! I dont play CEDH actually, but i love your channel so it nice to hear your take on casual EDH.
22:11 Gisela, Blade of Goldnight is my favorite commander I use.
Gruul storm is actually a deck in modern too, but yeah not super popular colors for storm...
I think you make a great point about casting Armageddon when you have Avacyn out and are using it as a finisher while you're smacking people with big angels. A lot of these salty cards come down to pertaining to the same, and the biggest, problem in casual EDH: They make the game go longer.
I urge all casual players to build their decks to prioritize progressing the game rather than stopping people from doing stuff. I'm not saying you shouldn't run removal or symmetrical board wipes, but certainly consider going down on the latter. Sometimes you really should just let the person with the sickest board win and go to the next game.
As an example, you could replace Ghostly Prison-effects with goad cards. They accomplish the same thing: Your opponents will have a harder time swinging at you - but one makes life totals drop and the other hinders people from attacking, which also means they will have more blockers up so other players can't attack them effectively either.
This was a really great conversation! Would love to hear more of your thoughts on casual/casual gameplay as cEDH players.
Any decklist on the wort deck ? :)
is Cam planning on posting his Wort, the Raidmother deck to moxfield? It looks really cool, and i'd love to try it!
Big fan of your casual content. It's fun watching very competitive people play a deck to it's peak even if it was made as a strictly casual deck.
ABSOLUTELY LOVE how hyped are you two talking about your casual commanders deck... Is very uplifting. Thanks!
P.S: Yeah, all basic lands should be full art lands.... We are not in 1998 anymore.
Would love to see the decklists for this episode, esp interested in the gruul storm deck
Love hearing you guys talk about casual Commander, you both have a really solid philosophy for playing at casual levels which no doubt comes from having the separation of mindset in cEDH - I think 2024 is the year I put together a cEDH list myself but there's not many players at that level at my LGS so I haven't taken the leap yet!
A player may concede the game at any time (rule 104.3a). EDH games are long enough. You beat me let's shuffle and get another game in. Also... I use mass land destruction as a wincon in my Gishath deck... how else am I to keep up with these crazy ramp players 😂
My absolute favorite casual deck is Arwen weaver of hope. The deck is around $100 bucks, but it is SOOOOOO fun, because you can play like 5 pump spells into legolas’ quick reflexes and make like 20 20/20s. Is it slightly jank? Maybe. Is it good? Definitely. Is it fun? YES
Could you link deck lists?
If a deck features a crapton of ramp, and doesn't care especially about hitting land drops you can run way more ramp effects and just stay mid 30s for land count, my Gruul Eldrazi deck sits at 36, including a Temple of the False God (it runs lots of land ramp effects), keep in mind stuff like Kessig Wolf Run are lands that can just take over games.
Are you on Crescendo of War in Jeskai Aragorn? It's a pretty neat-o effect if you think you'll be hard to block, if it goes around a few times the game goes absolutely nuts.
I for one enjoy a good Static Orb deck, I have two of them myself, Boros Weenies/Wipes and Dimir Discard/Rack. I don't play them without discussion obviously, but neither is a cEDH deck (I use Stasis in cEDH, which is way more fun). I think a variety of decks can include some 'anti-social' options for when people want to play a 'dirty' game. To me if a person can set up a Stax/Discard/Rack engine deck that just wastes people's time taking forever to finish an inevitable win during which the opponent struggles to do anything while losing life, then they've earned it just like the guy who floods the board. Rack is worse than Edgar Vampires, but Edgar tends to warp metas until everyone runs +5 wipes to 'handle' him.
The biggest thing that makes me salty is spending my off time watching other people play magic. I have no problem with expropriate, but most of the people I find playing magic are inexperienced players. It sounds elitist but sometimes I just want to jam games. If a players really new and they are playing the dungeon commander, I'm out.
You mentioned not saying that you wouldn't play anyone bc of what's in their deck? I DEFINITELY would, but it would be either bc my decks power level doesn't match up, or they're playing Dungeons/turns. It's just too durdly, man, too many choices. This salt list is basically anti-watching other people play magic. I also agree with your vorinclex and dockside assessments.
I've been playing zombies too but it's Linda(varina) and the deck is themed around "The Evil Dead". Creeping Tar Pit is so fun
I happily play thoracle in casual. HOWEVER, I don't pair it with cards like consultation. I have a sultai self mill deck. Lab man/thoracle/jace are my backup win cons if I haven't reanimated enough. I am milling myself the hard way and I can do it very fast at times (mesmeric orb for example, or traumatize). I'm not winning on like turn 3, it's closer to turn 12 after a long game.
This Wort deck sounds awesome, I like janky strategies like this. funny enough, mono green storm with that Ooze commander is quite powerful in casual commander. I would love to see some sort of deck list.
15:50 rooftop storm + Acerak the arch lich = infinite enter the dungeon triggers so long as you don't choose toom of annihilation, luckily, lost mine of Phandelver kills the table as one of the rooms says "each opponent loses 1 life". but I can see why a casual table is not ok with a 2 card infinite combo. I have this is my Wilhelt, the Rotcleaver zombie deck, but I always tell people it's in there and if they aren't ok with it, I'll play something else. another fun combo with my commander is this: Willhelt the Rotcleaver + Poppet factory (the back side of poppet stitcher) + Grave crawler + phyrexian altar, so like, 4 card combo that makes infinite 3/3 zombies
AlRiGhT GuYs they said it time to make this an EDH nOt cEDH channel OnLy EdH HeRe Is My VoTe!
but really tho my playgroup has been moving up the power level for years i wish i could make more tonned down decks with them buuuuuut i dont see that happening anytime soon. i think some of my more fun casual decks that i cant play are Questing beast Voltron fogs, Liesa shroud of dusk, and lord of the nazgul
hehe, Avacyn/Armageddon is one of my favourite MtG memories. I was on 5C spell slinger with OG Narset in play and bounced Avacyn in response to the Armageddon.
Most of my decks only run like 33-35 lands. Any more than that and I start to worry about having enough cards to do what my deck wants to do, while also having enough interaction. My only decks with more than that have lands matter cards/themes.
Also I agree with Cam on full art lands. NO reason to not have full arts with them. They arent chased like they used to be, it just feels bad when they aren't full arts
I do like this a lot, you guys, that I only recognize as cedh pod talking your thoughts and what you enjoy in casual play.... I do disagree kind of with expropriate or extra turns... For me there is casual, high power and cedh... And turns decks go under high power stuff in my opinion since you can only interact with it on the stack.
But actually it's a very good feeling, when you win over someone who cast an expropriate. Or at least put a good fight up afterwards.
I disagree aswell with only getting full art foil lands. For one they need to make foils look good again before they should put them in boosters as a cool thing. The last sets they just looked awful in my area. Second I do like playing the normal basics... But I understand your point. Boosters are Hella expensive and you should get something worthwhile out of them 👌🏼
Cool video
Papa Edgar my very first proper edh deck and still play it, much love
Tergrid is so miserable not just because it's theft but because it's such cheap and efficient theft. You can spend 1-2 mana to steal three things, and it's just a massive advantage in mana and cards, plus it may hard turn off some people's decks: i have a Kamiz deck focused on connive, i have a Sidar Jabari upgraded precon where i have to discard a card whenever I attack no matter what, etc.
Feedback for your reaction to the saltiest cards. Look at the list through the eyes of someone who has to play with random players rather than a dedicated playgroup. That's where the salt comes from. If I have a friend who I know plays steal your stuff, I can adjust. The reason "destroy your lands" is salty is because it makes the game go on for forever. I've shifted away from board wipes to stuff that accelerate the end of the game.
Edit: I think yall are looking at the cards from the eyes of a cEDH player. Assuming people are playing cards to win AND assuming people can play enough that they have time to concede and play a few more games. Along with the fact that a lot of casual players don't look at playing magic like it's a puzzle. They want to sit down and have a fun time. Nothing wrong with the puzzle mindset, I just don't see a lot of casual players having that mindset.
I recently had a conversation with my friend about casual and cedh… I tried to explain that when it’s turn 10, and he genesis waves for 10, and gets 6 hastey big dragons out to swing and win a casual game, it’s not a big deal/over powered because it’s turn 10, and the game should be ending by then… I think ppl who play both casual and cedh have a better feel for the game when it comes to progressing through the stages of early, to mid, to late/end game… in my casual decks, I’m trying to mid game it by turn 4-5, and I think that’s a good level to be, but some casual players need 7 turns to set up before they can get to their engine/mid game… I’m not Gona stop and draw/pass just so someone can attempt to stay in the game… I agree that u shouldn’t be completely dominating anyone, but it’s not my fault if ur deck/ability to play that deck is bad
In response to the full art basics. I refuse to play any full art cards period (unless that is the only version of the card that exists). I also strictly play lands with unique art. In my mono red basic lands only deck I have 38 unique regular old mountains.
The biggest difference between edh and cedh is simple; win cons. It's not fast mana or tutors, it's wincons.
It doesn't matter if I cast demonic tutor in my Oloro esper superfriends deck, because my wincon is Sorin, Grim Nemesis.
It doesn't matter if I cast manacrypt in my Jon Irenicus deck because the wincon is giving everyone fatties and yelling "world star".
I never really care about infinite cobos or stax/hate bearers (I do think stax can be necessary to stop the combo players) in EDH. But it's when you start adding the super efficient tutors, zero cost mana rocks is when i start raising my eyebrow.
I also think the term "casual" commander is out dated, because there are decks that operate in a space where they are not efficient enough for Cedh, but also will steam roll through most public pods.
I run thassas oracle in my Queza Augur of agonies deck. The main goal is to ping people down with life gain and drain abilities and using litches mastery to kill the table with Queza out. Thassa let's me have a chance at winning for decks that gain so much life I can't kill them by drawing my deck. Played three games of EDH yesterday and two people gained infinite life in the first game and one person gained infinite life in the third game. I could replace thassa with a package to loop my graveyard to keep drawing my deck or just cast Thassa Oracle and then shuffle up for the next game. Not the main wincon just a backup in case others are comboing to the point where I can't win.
Obliterate is in my Lord Windgrace Deck, most people just scoop but it is part of how I win the game, as I can rebuild my land state quickly. But we're talking high-power level as well.
Playing “ not to win “ you’ve decided that for your own playgroup- many “ casual “ players do play to win and enjoy making optimal plays . Newer players I think are especially confused by being punished for their success by playgroups that are “ just for fun “
Question for Dylan though as i am a fun too of vampires ( Ofc my boy EDGAR)... Which art do you prefer? Secret lair/ judge (cant remember which one is it) or the regular one?
My dilemma with that list at the end, so I play cards that could be considered cedh in some of my decks, but my lgs is a mess power level wise, there’s like 2 actual casual players there, then it’s all mid range powerful , then the top 2 tables of every mini tournaments have like 6 full blown cedh decks, my friends are on the more casual side , so I’m like stuck making my deck fit in the middle of cedh and mid power casual lol, so I use cedh staples here and there so I can hang when I’m on the top 2 tables but any tables below that hate me lol. The issue with only having 1 type of event at your local lgs >_> . If they did casual one week then cedh the next it would be fine but the same kind of people show up each week so 🤦🏻🤦🏻😂
I played armageddon and cataclysm in my bruna deck. If I can get my 6 mana beater loaded up with enchantments and essentially unanswerable, I can play those cards to fully end the game. I may need to swing 2-3 times per person, but nobody is climbing back after getting their lands removed. It's a card to say "you can pick your cards up and we can move on to the next game."
It's not a game extender, it is an ender.
Ngl, I'd totally run Obliterate in a Planeswalker deck. My problem with land destruction and staxy cards is when people just throw them in a deck and don't have a way to win through it/break parity.
Honestly the "stealing peoples things" cards make me salty because if i'm playing with randos, i'm not a big fan of physically letting them manipulate my cards, don't really want people i don't know well touching my cards; and yeah i could just say hey could you please represent my now stolen card with a token, but that can sometimes ruin the vibe.
On the topic of the banlist, I think it works for people with regular healthy playgroups as y’all described, but there’s so many people out there with large LGS’s, or friends that are dicks in their playgroup, or almost anyone at a convention, and the banlist fails to provide in those situations. Doesn’t always mean that it won’t work out anyways, but it often does, and we often don’t hear those stories because the players it failed might just stop playing.
I'm only a casual player and I agree pretty heavily with the philosophy on casual decks. You should always work towards a theme and not just play the best stuff in the game. Sometimes high quality cards are in that theme, and that's okay and should be the case. I've built decks that are ridiculously powerful because every individual card stays on theme as much as possible, at least in comparison to what some other people were doing
People don't hate Tergrid because she steals things. People hate Tergrid decks because they're stacked with edict effects and hand attack. So when the deck is working nobody is playing the game except the Tergrid player who can't win because they control a bunch of non synergystic pieces from everyone's decks.
I'd love to see some casual, but I definitely know of you guys on the competitive side of things and think from observations and comments you've made you prefer competitive. But I'm a filthy casual anyway so what do I know? 😂
I play a shorikai alt win cons deck, and I’ve gone back and forth about putting thassa’s oracle in the deck. It tries to win with things like halo fountain and triskaidekaphile, there’s no infinites or ways to automatically clear my whole deck, but that deck draws a ton of cards and I’ve definitely decked myself before. Does that feel like an acceptable place for a casual thassa’s oracle?
I have Thasa's Oracle in a deck with hermit druid, but all the lands are nonbasic tapped lands so its a slow build and my causal group is okay with it. so thats also an option. I'm a combo player and I'm always looking for fun combo and seeing how I can make it causal. Funniest one was turning all lands into 2/2s and wiping with massacre wurm basically winning the game.
Exactly right, I'm fine with whatever I feel I'm able to match, unfair fights suck. You'll cultivate a better experience as a group than the list, but for pickup and lgs games there has to be a reasonable baseline.
Buddy of mine has a Zurgo deck that plays Obliterate and Armageddon, and again, it's fine, because Zurgo is in play, and the game is over pretty quick afterwards.
Thoughts on stax effects in casual?? For example i run Mists of Stagnation in my Taigam Sidisi's Hand deck because it fits the theme of me exiling my opponents graveyards but people still dont think its casual no matter how much work needs to go into making that card do its thing
I think people don't like Tergrid not just because she steals your stuff but she steals your stuff via mass forced discard so not only does the Tergrid player get to play your stuff you also get to play way less of your stuff.
Either way I don't think she's that bad because the Tergrid player will be by far the most miserable player at the table because everyone else will save all their removal for your Commander but at that point why are you playing a Tergrid deck?
Casual Commander is fun to play, but to be honest it is boring to watch. Kind of like golf in that regards. I enjoy the podcast about casual commander though, but not the game play. Just my two cents worth.
I think it’s still fun to play to win in casual. Yes, I like using my theme to win but I also like using the best cards to do that. Personally, I also don’t use these salty cards or cedh staples because i don’t think it’s fun. This doesn’t mean I would stop anyone either. I would expect them to run the best cards of their theme deck as well interaction for their opponents. If you run salty cards I think it just needs to be mentioned for everyone’s sanity.
Aye guys i got a quick video idea, i was sitting on the toilet when I thought whats the most powerful Tribe in cEDH? idk if you already did a video similar to this if so fuck the comment if not awesome sauce. Love the content!
I have that zombie secret lair land it's the only non full art in my CEDH ayara ,(mono black) deck but it's also the artist proof I got signed at a pre release I went to by the artist. Maybe someday I'll see you guys at an event and play some with it.
In regards to the saltiest cards such as Armageddon, I know from personal experience that certain players are very irresponsible on the timing of casting the card. As an example, if the player is losing and doesn't have anything going on the board they will cast Armageddon out of spite and slow down the game just because they can and make everyone miserable
This was a nice video as always. I do prefer the CEDH content more because that is a format I never play and probably never will play. Not criticizing this video.
Personally, I'm not a fan of casual content here. I'd welcome a second channel 'PlayForFun' ? but when I get a PTW notification it's a bit of a letdown to see it's about or showcasing casual. Just imo
Acererak the Archlich and rooftop storms is a 2 card zombie combo I know you werent looking for combos that small, but it does exist. You could complete his dungeon and get the attack triggers.
i think as far as casual edh goes, everyone shoudl be allowed to play the cards they got from boosters. sure cedh staples get printed all the time and we dont really want people playing em in casual... but like you ripped a dockside off a pack and got excited to use it thats fine. just rule 0 convo (plus its not even as good in casual anyway... but there are other examples as well).
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Hey Dillon, if you like boros blink, try feather the redeemed. It's great boros control deck and uses blink to create advantage and interaction. I'll post a link to my list if you wanna take a look
Cam, I agree with the putting full art basics in every pack but I do not think they will ever do it since having plain frame basics creates a "chase" or "scarcity" for the full arts which keeps them special and provides a secondary market.
Casual is a huge wild jungle island , if you venture outside your regular group - you never know what you might run into. Prob a Rhystic Study in a Wizard tribal deck tho
Haven't seen the Wort list, but just in case thought I'd mention Battle Hymn and Burn at the Stake. 2 slightly unconventional storm cards that are just dumb fun.
I have guys that mostly play cEDH and when they do casual they just run an un-modded precon and complain when they lose . Thanks Wizards !
49:45 You just explained why people don't like the win condition cards that end the game out of nowhere. People aren't playing to win in casual. They just want to see the deck go brrrrrrrrr
I think your guys’ opinion on casual is extremely valuable. Operating at the top a lot of the time can give you insights on the more casual formats that other people tend to not realize when they jam stuff like thoracle or food chain lines in a deck, and having such a good and healthy position in both the local communities alongside other big online content communities shows a sincerity to your opinions that I don’t often see with other content creators
tl;dr, your vibes are great and any format you discuss would be healthy as a result
Fr the way ppl play always makes me saltier than the actual cards, and the comments, remarks or just in gernal annoying noises everytime you make a move. Or the obvious stigma players can get if you are playing a commander that triggers them
Brewing a casual Neera big spells deck and as I am trimming all of the steal stuff 42:58 "Generally players don't like getting their shit stolen" was a sign that I should continue taking them out lol.
Curious with the statement of the commander ban list being curated around people not being salty, what would be your banlist for commander being a competitive format?
The big problem with obliterate is the length of time it adds to the game. With casual generally being slower it's more frustrating to have everyone's board reset 40 minutes in.
Ive gotten to where i grab the full art basic from whatever plane my commander is from. Almost have all of them printed. Just waiting for lorwyn full arts
Great topic and follow up video. Casual means different things for different people so people are always gonna rip their hair out about the topic as seen in the comments from the previous video. 😂
As a huge fan of Edgar, similarly getting back into commander with him as my first commander, can you drop your full list?
I have had Cam's rant about full art lands so many times in the past 10 years, - the foil part. Keep that pringle dust off my cards.
EXTRACT is the card i think should be banned, only promotes unfun gameplay. no one plays it but it's op