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Model Railroading 101 Passenger Cars For Beginners
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- Опубліковано 13 сер 2024
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Welcome back to Model Railroading 101. In this episode, we talk about the various types of Passenger Train equipment! There is a surprising amount of variety in this type of equipment. Join us as we take a look at some of the history of passenger rail and explore many of the types of cars you can find on passenger trains!
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I love your format. After getting back into the hobby after 20 years, I really enjoy you two and all the historical info and how to do. Thank you.
Glad you enjoy it!
Presented by two very accomplished model railroad pro's. THANK YOU!
Suggestion: It would be nice to place the passenger cars on tracks while displaying them. Still, this is a great series. I watched the locomotive, freight and passenger.
Even if I never get to snap two sections of track together, I'm finding out really interesting information! Thanks, guys!
Outstanding video! This is really helpful for the layman to understand the different types of passenger cars.
Another great video. I'm old enough to remember an old TV show called Petticoat Junction. The real star of the show was an old steam engine pulling a combine, the Cannonball. Now I know that it was a combine car being pulled. Some Like It Hot is a good example of coach/sleeping cars. So is the I Love Lucy episode where they decide to travel to New York from California after Ricky's movie has wrapped. At one point (actually, twice) Lucy pulls the emergency stop, throwing riders out of their bunk beds onto the floor.
The car interior in the movie Some Like it Hot represented the common sleeping car of the era which were configured with Pullman sections.
I remember seeing amfleet cars on the Pioneers.
My favorite Amtrak train that I ever rode was number 6, the eastbound California Zephyr. On the head end had a heritage unit followed by two new ACS-64s another P40 then bringing up the markers was the "heavy weight" "Chapel Hill"
Thanks for the info. Pullman Service was ALWAYS first class. The Porter's were Butlers. Also Harvey Girls predate the Diner cars on passerger trains. In the steam days, when the loco needed to be restocked with water and fuel, (usually every 100 miles) the passengers would dine in the Harvey Girls Restaurant until the train was ready to continue. Unique to the Santa Fe Rail Road. The movie "The Harvey Girls" covers Mr Harvey's idea, and it worked very well.
Welcome to the passenger car menu
here is a list of all the passenger cars
Really old passenger car 2:11
Wooden passenger cars 3:03
Heavyweight car 4:03
Streamliner cars 5:10
Amtrak started to replace cars small history 6:18
Superliner car 7:08
Cool Amtrak shot 7:25
head-end cars 8:08
ho/n scale train shot 9:55
Material handling cars by Amtrak 10:13
Baggage cars 10:30
Heavy weight baggage car 11:17
Railway post office car aka R.P.O. 11:43
Combine cars 13:07
Coaches 13:50
Articulated chair car 14:58
Sleeper car 16:05
Streamliner sleeper car 16:32
A different kind of sleeper 17:43
Superliner sleeper 18:59
Dining cars 20:13
Superliner diner 22:08
Southern specific articulated diner 23:15
Dome cars 24:02
Parlour car 25:58
Observation cars 26:39
Business car 27:58
Cool train shot with business car 28:53
Special purpose car 29:04
Power car 29:32
Excursion car 30:50
Cool steam train shot 31:26
Self-propelled cars 31:44
Commuter cars 32:45
Minimum turn radius models 35:52
cool ho/n scale train shot 37:33
I hope this list helped :)
Thanks, that's awesome!
@@tsgmultimedia np I might be doing future lists
@@tsgmultimedia If you want me to put a list let me know I’ll do it for free
@@_TRASH_LORD_ You're welcome to add this kind of list to any of the episodes. I may end up using it in the video's description as well!
@@tsgmultimedia ok
The last U.S. Railway Post Office car ran June 30, 1977 between New York City and Washington, D.C.
About the REA (Railway Express Agency): I have a silver bullet (.45 Colt) that says on the end where the primer is: "REA Away", passed out when Clayton Moore (the Lone Ranger) endorsed the REA. It was given to me by a very dear friend who has passed in 1999, but he told me the story behind the silver bullet given out by the REA. Just thought ya might like to know a cool story about the REA.
The trucks on the REA refrigerator car looks like AAR type A trucks they used on switchers.
This guy got a kick out of seeing displays of railroad China in Duluth.
I wanted you guys to know I have wanted to start this hobby. And I am watching this whole series from start to finish to learn all about it. I am wanting to learn to model everything but do it cheap enough to start with
Florida has a private rail system coming back called "bright line". So far they only go from Miami to West Palm Beach but will soon build towards Orlando and then maybe Tampa.
I would be nice if they came all the way up to the panhandle. :)
VIA Rail is still using their fleet of Budd stainless steel dome cars in regular service. 66 years old and still going strong.
Special cars you didn’t mention were the hospital cars and the school house cars that went to the smaller or remote towns, teacher included!
those big metal milk cans, were called milk churns, they had to be full, or the milk might churn, and turn to butter, it was also a way of measuring the amount of milk you wished to sell for processing, you got paid by the churn, hence the term, churning stuff out, from manufacturing products for sale
About the combines. You mentioned how they're not really seen anymore. What about the Coach/Baggage cars on the Amtrak Superliners? Don't they count as combines?
Don't forget the Viewliner II baggage dormitory cars
The Santa Fe had high level coaches and diners before AMTRAK, that first ran on the El Capitan. The current equipment used out west was based on that concept well in advance of AMTRAK. Also the Chicago and Northwestern starred using Bi level coaches starting in the late 1950's.
I love this video! I love the head end cars, the pullman services seeing how it's first class, and the super liner cars.
Wow, the train knowledge is huge! Well spoke, good audio quality.
Glad it was helpful!
Used to be a bragging point on the UP that they had dome dining cars in the streamliner era, pretty sure they were the only ones that did.
Thanks again Dan and those making this video! I appreciate the conversation between you two, those are the same questions I would have as well and it makes the video so much more interesting. I am learning a lot in a short amount of time. I really like the live train clips and the model train clips. This will really help me in purchasing train cars to make my trains look like a real train!
Excellent tutorial! I learned a lot, even though I’ve been a model railroader for years. Keep them coming! 🚂
Hey Dan and John, as always, you've produced another great video! It's an excellent intro to passenger train cars for newcomers to the hobby. Speaking of passenger trains, I just uploaded a railfanning video on my UA-cam channel that I took today of Amtrak's California Zephyr passing through Glenwood Canyon in Colorado. You may remember this place since I recently suggested it to you as a possible location for a future Chasing Trains episode. The rudimentary video shot from my cell phone in no way compares to how you could present it with your sophisticated video cameras with telephoto lenses, but at least it gives you an idea of the possibilities for shooting video from this incredibly scenic area in the Rocky Mountains. -from Tom Pilling
Some railroads also had a combine Kitchen / kitchen crew / dorm cars that allowed the kitchen staff to bunk close to where they worked. I think Ringling Brothers had a few.
Some late model diesels (EMD SD70ACE, GE ET44AC, etc) can have HEP as an option the railroad has EMD add in. The SD70ACE's that Metra is / was planning to buy would have this option. HEP cars are used on excursions that are powered by steam. Now longer excursion trains may have HEP cars to make up or split the phases and add surge protection along the train so the ground fault systems will work properly if something electrically goes wrong. Modern HEP cars usually output 3 phase 480 volts AC and have ample surge protection. HEP cars may be on their way out as solar power becomes more efficient.
As you said, this is an introductory video of passenger trains; and it was well done. Maybe in the next program you could mention who were the constructors of these cars. The Pullman Company, Harriman , Budd, etc . There is more things to talk. I had the privilege to ride in those Heavyweights here in Mexico, and they were operated by The Pullman Co. with good standards, porters, Dinners etc
Very good video. Thank you very much for all the experience provided.
First Class Education all the way guys!! I really enjoyed this episode on passenger cars!! I have the Bachmann HO scale of the DeWitt Clinton train and I ABSOLUTELY ADORE IT!! that piece of early RR history is what makes model RR so fun and interesting!! THANKS for doing this video😄✌❤
One of the most enjoyable aspects of model railroading is passenger trains for me. That is one of the reasons I am modeling Alaska Railroad. Thanks for another great video.
You find Alaska Rr is more into oil coal and freight thsn passebger service which is more for the tourist in summer months. Some excursions between Seward and Anchorage. For locals it is chraoer and faster to go commuter air then ride the train.
I really enjoy these 101 videos. I am like John in that there is always something I forgot or didn't know about the particular subject matter. I think a bunch of these together would make an excellent DVD. Thanks guys.
Thanks for the feedback and for watching too!
Please correct me if I'm wrong, some of the passenger cars were different "classes". For example, if you had a fairly large income or were a person of distinction, then you got a "first class" car, which usually had plush seats. If you were riding on a budget, you were considered "lower class", and the cars usually had wood seats or benches, which over long periods of travel must have been very uncomfortable! I loved your "Some Like it Hot" reference! One of my favourite movies! The commuter cars look like the GO Train out of Toronto which runs from Toronto Union Station to Hamilton, or the West Coast Express in British Columbia, which runs from Mission to Vancouver in the morning, and Vancouver to Mission in the afternoon. They're not in service during working hours as they have been proven too expensive to run on a scheduled daily basis.
In some cases you can have two classes even in the same coach/car. Yosemite Valley 330 comes to mind, which has bench seating toward the front and lounge chairs toward the rear where the observation deck is.
Cool. I've been around a while and never seen or heard about the articulated SP cars before. Thanks!
I enjoyed the video; however, I was surprised that while you discussed the AMTRAK SuperLiner cars there was no mention of the AMTRAK ViewLiner series. I have done a number of trans-continental trips with both the SuperLiner and ViewLiner style cars and I find the ViewLiner cars to be very comfortable single story car. Keep up the great work.
As usual excellent video, 👍🏼
Don't forget, On the CZ they had dome cars that were also a conductors car with an office for the conductore and a women and children car.
My very first HO train ,was a1962 Tyco/Mantua Super Chief it is smaller in stature than the newer Athern or Walthers cars. They were made to navigate the 22"curves easier. I still have my original Super Chief and now larger a Proto 2000PA with Athern cars and the do just fine on 22"curves. The Walther passenger cars are huge and I can't run them effectively on my layout.
Amtrak had a Mail contracts but used MHC aka High speed Box cars. 85 feet long..
MHC's were 61' long. Heritage Fleet baggage cars converted from coaches were 85', as well as the Viewliner baggage cars that replaced them.
Very nice Format! Especially for me in Europe who wants to learn basiccs about American Railroad Equipment. I think the articulated Coaches were a lot cheaper to make since they shared one truck. So it is probably an economic reason for them to exist.
Well, thanks, interesting. I have also ridden the Great Northern route on Amtrak. I went to Army training during the night on Milwaukee Rd. from Minnesota to Missouri. But mostly ride a lot of trains in Germany and Europe now.
If you watched "Some Like It Hot" and were concentrating on the railroad car instead of Marilyn Montoe, you're in a class by yourself.
DANG!
The UP dome you were showing was a Dome Diner which I understand UP was the only RR to offer the Dome Diner
I love your videos. I've spent the last week watching all of them. You forgot to show the Amfleet Diner, Sleepers ect. that go to New York City. They are completely different than the western Amtrak passenger cars.
Awesome - glad you found the channel. If you know anyone else who might like it, please share it with your friends!
I mean if you have a limited sized layout, you could always model Amtrak East Coast commuters. I am working on modeling the recently retired Amtrak #69 Adirondack. I said retired because I will be including a customized Dome car with the old decal. The whole train consists of locomotive, amfleet cafe car, 2-4 amfleet 1 coach cars, and 2-4 amfleet 2 coach cars. My train will be loco, dome, cafe, and two amfleet coaches. Nice, short train for a smaller layout that still remains as prototypical as I can make it. Thinking of roughly 2010 as the time basis for my layout. 🤷🏻♂️
I learned a lot and ive been in the hobby for 10 years
So why would the super liner lounge cars on Amtrak?. Would have a snack lounge on the lower level and what type of snacks would Amtrak serve?.
Should have watched your video. In 2000 when i set my first HO RR Santa Fe F7 ABBA Budd Coaches i didnt have this video service the tube. Started with a Coleman Camp Table with a 4'x8' Melamie from h dept. Had the Athern Build Kits old heavyweight series anyway they did not perform correctly, because i either didn't ask local model train store or did not do any research. So switched to Santa Fe Frieght cars with a emd unit. So i have the Walthers Budd Coaches & Amtrak consist. your video is much appreciated love camera guy mustache. You could pkg your video's and sell them for resale to hobbyists, they are educational and entertaining to watch. Very Good Job Again HO Passenger Coaches 1830s - Present Day 🚂🚆🚝 !!!
You're welcome to watch it again :)
I have a DeWitt Clinton. It hasn't been run in over twenty years, but it ran great. I have three coaches with it.
Great video thanks. I love this channel. I love trains.
Glad you enjoy it!
Thank you.
Merry Christmas.
the Strasburg Railroad has a large collection of wooden cars just like the yellow ones in the video. they're beautifully preserved, in case anyone wanted to know where else you could see them : )
VIA Rail Canada still runs Budd stainless steel (corrugated) passenger cars today....
Have you guys ever thought on closing with Lawrence Welk instead of Guns & Roses?
Auto-Train - typically two P-40s, 16 Superliners and 24 AutoRacks. Try that on your club layout! (Takes 45 seconds for the real thing to pass @ 79 mph)
I came close to that--in O gauge no less. 9 Superliners + 12 autoracks. Since running that train several years ago (there's video here on YT), I've amassed enough additional equipment to run 16+22, but that probably won't fit my home loop.
I learned from this thank you
Glad it was helpful!
At 15:00, Articulated cars eliminate wear and tear by eliminating the amount of wheels in contact with the rails and eliminating quite a bit of truck maintenance.
I would like to see a presentation on track hook-up. I have a Z gauge and have a very hard time joining the track pieces. Another problem is rail connection quality. How about solder or other joining.
Great video! Amtrak actually is getting baggage-dorm cars as part of the new Viewliner IIs. As far as I know, only one has been built so far.
I didn't hear you mention the use of these cars on Ringling Brothers, then another car that was seldom used or photographed was the heavy weight Solarium. Now if I were to buy a prototypical car, the sleeper - solarium would be my first choice.
So, railroad geeks don't all have gray hair. On the other hand, Dan's a little ambiguous in this respect.
I saw a mixed consist of horizons, amfleets, and streamlined budd dome cars behind Santa Fe 3751 in the coaster; San Diego to Oceanside show. Behind the 3751, was a p32dc for head end power
If you didn't see a power car on that train, the Genesis unit was probably there in part for that reason.
Have you added interior lighting to the cal train bombardier passenger cars that run off of track power
I’m interested in what you said about handicap accessible areas. You indicated that the upper level is not accessible but that the lower level is. Which makes sense considering it would take a lot of valuable space to create accessibility for upper levels.
I can only get around with a power chair. I’ve ridden Amtrak 5 or 10 times, but I could walk then, so it never occurred to me to pay attention to whether or not it was handicap-accessible.
So is that the standard regarding handicap accessibility? Bottom level is accessible but upper level is not? This matters to me because even though my legs haven’t worked in several years, I don’t know if my tramping days are over. I will almost certainly never even see another passenger train, but if I ever tramp again, it will be on Amtrak.
At the end you mentioned short passenger trains, the Amtrak Heartland Flyer currently runs from Fort Worth, Texas, to some where in Oklahoma with a P42, 2-3 super liners, and a F40 NPCU.
It's Oklahoma city
Something interesting about combines.
Although I guess it would be considered more as Traction or a loco, some RDCs that are being run are technically Combines. The RDC-1 and RDC-2 had a baggage and mail area, respectively. Saw something neat recently where a local line refurbished an RDC-1 and RDC-3 (only a chair) pair and converted the baggage area for bicycles so commuters could take their bikes on the train easier
I am going to see the SP10 RDC later this year that is being restored near Sacramento. Really looking forward to that!
Very cool! I've been following Rapido's a little bit, but not enthusiastically.
The B&O Railroad Museum in Baltimore, Maryland has an RDC-1 in the first body phase in their parkinglot on display. Would love to see it running again
Nice i like it nice train cars
Hi, thank you for a very informative video. I'm in the UK and I've recently taken an interest in American trains. I've noticed in some pictures I've found show some coaches with what looks like a fence-like hand rail running down the centre of the roof. What was this? Was it an aerial or was it just a handrail for some purpose? Thanks for your help. Great video.
Those funny looking hand rails down the center are some kind of antenna.
Brilliant as always. Would still love to find a UK equivalent. Thanks
Very nicely done!
Really well done, thanks for the education.
Thanks for watching... And thanks for your continued support!
Great videos, I just subscribed and rang the bell. Thank you. 😎👍
Car used in something like it’s hot is actually still around it’s at the Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum in Chattanooga Tennessee as car number 97 Clover colony
Athearn does or did make shortened length cars for small layouts. I have some and like them
Nicely done. Thanks.
roads like Rock Island and Frisco often ran 3/4 car passenger trains
Your California Zephyr is magnificent!
Thanks for watching!
I have a question
(question background) So I am planning my first layout, have 2 cars 1 caboose and 1 engine, (I am getting more track and cars soon)
What (HO scale) steam engine should I get?
I am looking for 1 to shunt cars and 1 to pull the cars.
Any suggestions, please comment
18:00 That is a 10-6 Pine Series sleeper. 10 Roomette, 6 Double Bedroom. Budd built. The 4-4-2s (4 Compartment, 4 Double Bedroom, 2 Drawing Room) the Santa Fe owned were built by ACF or Pullman Standard, and would have had smooth, rather than fluted, roofs. Great video otherwise. Just a detail I noticed.
Again, great video. I have just been obsessed with assembling and detailing Santa Fe streamliners in HO, the Super Chief and El Capitan in particular. Would not have noticed otherwise. I hope I did not come across as snarky. Your videos have taught me so much about detailing and painting techniques.
Nothing snarky about that comment. I often talk about how we have the best viewers on UA-cam. This is the kind of comment that brings it on.
JRegier80 Same here i just love that Warbonnet paint scheme with shiny metalic panels on loco and those Budd Coaches are just beautiful. Saw Rapido of Canada Passenger Coaches costing $80.00 plus however you get what you pay for, lighting. interiors just gorgeous and the paint is well done giving off a Brass Train appearance. Check out on utube Ive seen. Good Job Doing Video !!!
i wish the amtrak superliner were more common in N scale
hey thanks for your handy work. what is wrong with your camera guy. Did he nail the camera to the floor. are you guys from the bay area? you sound like you are. where do you play??? Happy New Year guys!!!
Show how the electrical connections are set up from pick up to motor.
great Tips guy, enjoyed the video and John disguised
Are you going to cover Cog Railways as in Massachusetts Mt. Washington? Thanx
Athearn said they were gonna re-release the commute cars for Metrolink but I have yet to see them do that. Right now its really hard to find Metrolink Bombardier cars and I want to get at least 3.
Amtrak is in its 51st year and was born in 1971.
great video like always
Amtrak used these from Ashland to Newport News Va.
I wonder if there are trains (locomotives and cars) that work and one can paint and build with all the parts like Revell or alike brands?
RDCs and other self-propelled trains need couplers in case they break down and need to be "rescued" or towed by a similar or identical car or a locomotive.
Very informative video I enjoyed it extremely .....cheers
Great video guys 👏
Is it possible to remove Walthers passenger car vestibules that are black and paint them silver?
Come to Canada they run the dorm cars all the time
Sorry about that dome cars on the Canadian
My Wife and I went to a Museum for a Pizza Train my wife does not Like double deck cars the Stairs are very Narrow and understood not to use the Stairs again.We’ll stay on the single level cars.
Very well done guys.
Thanks for watching!
So when you were showing the dome cars.. was I mistaken or was the one in the middle a dining car? It just looked there were tables in the dome portion instead of chairs.
If you want to use passenger cars on anything less than 24 inch radius curves, then you will just about have to use nothing less than the old style wooden passenger cars from the 1800's era as they are a lot shorter (they were more like the standard box car length), than the modern passenger cars of the modern Diesel Electric era.
Oh yes, I'm quite sure many people will give me hell for even thinking of such a thing as it absolutely defies the the modern era style and look of what they are trying so hard to portray on their layouts.
But, at least it works, and usually (generally), curtails (eliminates), "short curve radius" derailments.
But, to each his own, besides I will borrow another model railroader's words, quote, "It's My Railroad" unquote, (I think his name is either Ron, or Steve Brown (a great model Railroader (in N Scale)). and I'll do it my way. So there you have it. I also model N Scale.
Some manufacturers used to offer shorter-than-scale passenger cars in HO scale so those of us with smaller radii could still have passenger trains. I wish these were still offered, it’s better than nothing at all.
Most 8*4 layouts don't have 24 inch curves
Neat video. Dome cars are still very popular and not just on excursions, VIA Rail still uses them on "The Canadian" and on certain Eastern Canadian trains.
we don't drive them, we run them
Hi Dan.
The Santa Fe car is a 10-6 not a 4-4-2.