The urinal was a work called the Fountain by Duchamp, who was considered to be a Dadaist if anything, which is absolutely not a part of Postmodernism, but of Modernism. A lot in this video and the comments is just misleading. In a nutshell, Postmodernism is not only a defiance and revision of Modernism, but it was a way to blur the line between high and low culture, and most importantly what makes up Postmodernism is believing that a design for a better world comes from within a culture rather than from above it. Modernists were trying reflect modern experiences through form and thus tried to make global communication better and clearer, and enrich life as a whole. Postmodernists felt that the way it was done was snobbish and detached from reality, and comes out of a bubble in the mind of the designer or artist. They simply felt like they were doing what Modernists were trying to do, but better and more realistically. That's why its called Postmodernism, and not some other made up name because it is still Modernism in a way. It is still, essentially, an approach that claims to better the world through visual communication that sets a strong relation between contemporary life, and form. In a nutshell.
I think it means that the idea of an objet in a gallery was used also in Pop Art, a good example of "look to the past" when they were trying to do new things.
tyler t My thoughts exactly. You say it a lot more kindly. I can't believe how many idiots blindly agreed with this posters "assessment." Makes me miss Robert Hughes.
Modernism was forward thinking, logical, it was concerned about the future and it dreamed big. Postmodernism is always looking in the rear view mirror. Its the art for a culture that lacks guts, a vision of the future and a belief in a better tomorrow.
I would argue that Picasso was already moving towards Postmodernism in the 1930s. Soviet Art from the 1950s has got distinctly Postmodern aspects (irony and self-conscious pastiche among them), which is interesting as all forms of Modernism were banned under Stalin. Also, even though in high-architecture Postmodernism was not officially recognized until the 1970s, Robert Venturi certainly saw1950s Las Vegas and novelty buildings (like hotdog stands that look like hotdogs) to be important cultural progenitors of Postmodern architecture.
“Post modernism began at precisely 3pm March the 16th 1972. Modernism had failed or at least thats what the postmodernists believed. Modernists had spent much of the 20th century trying to forge a better world inspired by science and universal truths. To them less was more. To postmodernists less was a bore. They believed we needed as many references as possible to determine our own individual subjective conclusions. Art is a good way to try and explain it. Remember, Picasso? He created one off masterpieces based upon predetermined principals of art. His creations rocked the art world. But postmodernists weren’t impressed. They believed in more than one method or style. Collage, chance, anarchy, repetition. These were infinitely more interesting. Postmodernists wanted to challenge audiences and force them to ask questions. Post-modern buildings rallied against the blandness that had gone before. The Las Vegas strip is a great example. A right of styles, cultures and whimsical collage. Like any movement postmodernism had its critics objecting to unnecessary ornamentation. An obsessive tendency to recycle the past to make something new and often just plain silliness. The rise of mass media really helped postmodernism take off. The world was interconnected like never before. For many postmodernism was liberating giving creative expression a dynamic, often unsettling voice. Postmodernist cinema still confuses, surprises and delights us. Postmodernist performers still bemuse us. And we just can’t seem to get enough of quirky postmodern art. Politically, philosophically, creatively - the postmodern movement has proven itself a force to be reckoned with. Like a giant social cattle prod compelling society to question why things are the way they are, and why they aren’t. Planning something postmodern?”
Indeed, 'skilled art and culture' is not different from objectifying art and culture. I don't have problems with this meaningless insanity because I believe postmodernism is derivative for a new approach to modernism.
we've not replaced it : we've bought it , the truth is that in a world in wich the computer says what you should watch and in wich it watches what you watch, in order to make you watchmore, pepole go crazy , and when pepole go crazy they replace what the computer says with ... crap, eventually the computer will decide what crap is worth more , who are we to decide what crap is worth more , there are standards and there are pepole and computers who decide what these standards are , i am here to have fun and to trow crap at computers
I dont think you really understand what postmodernism actually is. Its not a style and its not something root for. Postmodernism is the world's current reality. Ever repeat a line from a favorite movie and incorporate it into your conversation? Ever send a gif of a cartoon that represents your mood? Ever listen to a rap song and hear a sound bite that you instantly recognize. Ever see foreign pop stars emulating American pop stars fashion and vice versa? Ever eaten at an Olive garden and think I love this italian restaurant? My point here is that daily life is filled with constant referencing of other things in language and communication. Kids today dont even care about owning some unique style of their own generation. They have the internet to pick and choose decades of styles and music... All of this extends to products and fashion, autimobiles and buuildings and ART. etc... The comment about mass media was spot on but in todays world this has been expanded uppn to a hyper extreme. in the 70s there were the intellectuals that were well read and the world hadnt completely globalized YET... Now this postmodernism is the reality we live in as a society. Social media and viral videos are just one obvious and bleeding edge example of how far the phenomenon of postmodernism has affected daily life..
postulating the concept that universal truths cannot be comprehended by human observation, postmodernism contradicts itself as it claims to be another universal truth.
postmodernism doesnt claim anything. Postmodernism is a merely an acute critical observation about contemporary aesthetics and language and how they function within a technological society.
nah, no one said that it was absolutly true that we couldnt know anything for sure, postmodernists just critique that we assume absolute values without reflection
Hipsters sound pretty damn cool in that case. But because I know better, Ill have to live with the fact that you probably wrote that in a dismissive manner :P
No, but I've found that hipsters are often postmodernists. Postmodernism, hipster culture, and modern feminism are all distinct things, but there is some overlap since they often subscribe to very similar schema.
Extremely poor and inconsistent description of what postmodernism was and still somehow is. Is reducted to a kind of fuzzy attitude towards modernism. The problem is what modernism? In which field?? Art, Architecture, Philosphy or Social-sciences because there are 4 post-modernism phenomena which are quite differerent in those 4 fields...
isn't the toilet one of the most symbolic pieces of Dadaism ? and according to what i've been reading up on, dadaism was a movement that was categorized under Modernism ?
Modernism is basically anything that is not traditional art, so dadaism is indeed under modernism. Dadaism tried to make fun of the beloved artist. They made silly art. Therefore a lot of people think that the toilet is dadaistic, but post-modernism says "there is no one truth, everything is allowed. And everything is invented, so we have to use all that the modernism has to offer to make art. And if something's in an art-gallery, it's art." It's a bit more than that, but saying that a toilet is art, is very post-modernism.
TriggerTMH Wouldn't that be more of a transgressive stance, designed to shock the audience (as a counterculture, not apostmodernist mix and ridicule of culture)?
Duchamp's "fountain" is often seen as a transitional piece between modernism and postmodernism as far as I'm aware. It challenges the viewers perspective on art while remaining basically a part of neo-dada. So yeah, dada was probably a huge inspiration to the postmodernist attitude.
For the best lecture on post modernity and its implications I suggest Rick Roderick's excellent series "Self Under Siege" in particular the last lecture dealing with Baudrillard.
Aren't most young lovers of post modern just loving it through pure irony? Like people watching and enjoying films that are so bad they are good. Most pop critics I've seen when looking at post modernity just say "lol random quirky #random #quirky #randomquirky #postmodernism"
www.stephenhicks.org/2018/01/06/peterson-hicks-discussion-on-pomo-transcription/ Jordan Peterson and Stephen Hicks diagnose Post-modernism. *The full blow-by-blow transcript of Jordan Peterson's August 2017 interview of Prof. Stephen Hicks, author of "Explaining Postmodernism: Skepticism from Rousseau to Foucault."*
+voxeledphoton You assume that 790 people are for postmodernism and not considering whether or not they just like the way that the video explains it. Also, 790 isn't a significant number of people considering that the video has 164,000+ views. Also, 164,000+ people could disagree with me and I wouldn't give a shit.
+Andrew Krause figured you'd mention that ;b just to mention 793+22=815 793/815= .973 so it's still approximately 97% of the people that took the time to like or dislike... sorry didn't really mean much with the comment ;b just surfin the web studying for my final and got bored... I do random internet things when I'm bored like write comments that in the end won't mean anything to anyone if they're ignorant enough, but when people just blatantly say something is stupid without explaining why irritates me a bit, though people can have their own opinions without needing explanation to why =.= guess that's what makes individualism so great, everyone going every which way.. starts writing an essay.. oh wait where's my thesis? If you've cared to read this far you're either just bored like I am or that one guy.. hello goodbye.
Are you looking for an Equilibrium world. If you dont like someones expression of art than dont "buy" into it. Ignore it. I love the narrator's accent.
Rose Gore It's not the expression of art I don't like. It's the way they go about calling their ideas "theories", ideas which are nothing more than PERSONAL PREFERENCE. We all have our preferences, and a lot of us wants to experiment. That's fine. But to make it seem as though we should structure our lives around those ideas is just really stupid.
Of course everybody wants everyone to believe their own way, and that is what upsets people is when a preference is stated that is not accepted by others. People do just have to understand that that they have a preference and they will have followers but not everyone in the world.
kwanarchive for you to say that almost proves how detached you are from intellectualism. if you're going to say stuff like that, please stay put in the Renaissance section of the museum and don't bother wandering into the Modern and Contemporary sections.
Kazi Rayhan The Rennaisance and the Enlightenment added a lot of new ideas to culture. "Modern" and "contemporary" produced nothing of value. Periods like the Renaissance and the Enlightenment were periods of true intellectualism. Modern and contemporary contains no intellectualism whatsoever. Just a lot of empty words used to make people sound intelligent without actually being.
The urinal was a work called the Fountain by Duchamp, who was considered to be a Dadaist if anything, which is absolutely not a part of Postmodernism, but of Modernism. A lot in this video and the comments is just misleading.
In a nutshell, Postmodernism is not only a defiance and revision of Modernism, but it was a way to blur the line between high and low culture, and most importantly what makes up Postmodernism is believing that a design for a better world comes from within a culture rather than from above it.
Modernists were trying reflect modern experiences through form and thus tried to make global communication better and clearer, and enrich life as a whole. Postmodernists felt that the way it was done was snobbish and detached from reality, and comes out of a bubble in the mind of the designer or artist. They simply felt like they were doing what Modernists were trying to do, but better and more realistically.
That's why its called Postmodernism, and not some other made up name because it is still Modernism in a way. It is still, essentially, an approach that claims to better the world through visual communication that sets a strong relation between contemporary life, and form.
In a nutshell.
Thanks Oldclippa for correcting the Duchamp piece, that was definitely before pm. This was a bland and inaccurate presentation on a fascinating topic.
you could fairly call Duchamp's piece "proto-post modern"
Patrick Ford.... thanks for making that point!! Sometimes we get so stuck in thinking in our thoughts about timelines and dates.
I think it means that the idea of an objet in a gallery was used also in Pop Art, a good example of "look to the past" when they were trying to do new things.
tyler t
My thoughts exactly. You say it a lot more kindly. I can't believe how many idiots blindly agreed with this posters "assessment." Makes me miss Robert Hughes.
Modernism was forward thinking, logical, it was concerned about the future and it dreamed big. Postmodernism is always looking in the rear view mirror. Its the art for a culture that lacks guts, a vision of the future and a belief in a better tomorrow.
I would argue that Picasso was already moving towards Postmodernism in the 1930s. Soviet Art from the 1950s has got distinctly Postmodern aspects (irony and self-conscious pastiche among them), which is interesting as all forms of Modernism were banned under Stalin. Also, even though in high-architecture Postmodernism was not officially recognized until the 1970s, Robert Venturi certainly saw1950s Las Vegas and novelty buildings (like hotdog stands that look like hotdogs) to be important cultural progenitors of Postmodern architecture.
“Post modernism began at precisely 3pm March the 16th 1972. Modernism had failed or at least thats what the postmodernists believed. Modernists had spent much of the 20th century trying to forge a better world inspired by science and universal truths. To them less was more. To postmodernists less was a bore. They believed we needed as many references as possible to determine our own individual subjective conclusions. Art is a good way to try and explain it. Remember, Picasso? He created one off masterpieces based upon predetermined principals of art. His creations rocked the art world. But postmodernists weren’t impressed. They believed in more than one method or style. Collage, chance, anarchy, repetition. These were infinitely more interesting. Postmodernists wanted to challenge audiences and force them to ask questions. Post-modern buildings rallied against the blandness that had gone before. The Las Vegas strip is a great example. A right of styles, cultures and whimsical collage. Like any movement postmodernism had its critics objecting to unnecessary ornamentation. An obsessive tendency to recycle the past to make something new and often just plain silliness. The rise of mass media really helped postmodernism take off. The world was interconnected like never before. For many postmodernism was liberating giving creative expression a dynamic, often unsettling voice. Postmodernist cinema still confuses, surprises and delights us. Postmodernist performers still bemuse us. And we just can’t seem to get enough of quirky postmodern art. Politically, philosophically, creatively - the postmodern movement has proven itself a force to be reckoned with. Like a giant social cattle prod compelling society to question why things are the way they are, and why they aren’t. Planning something postmodern?”
Emily Strutt I
thankkkkks
Post modernism shits on anything beautiful and calls it art
I really want a second Gothic Revival...
I agree that modernism was a bore, a failure and a dead end, but we should have replaced it with skilled art and culture, not meaningless insanity
That sounds like more modernism.
Indeed, 'skilled art and culture' is not different from objectifying art and culture. I don't have problems with this meaningless insanity because I believe postmodernism is derivative for a new approach to modernism.
would you buy a house way more beautiful for double the price?
we've not replaced it : we've bought it , the truth is that in a world in wich the computer says what you should watch and in wich it watches what you watch, in order to make you watchmore, pepole go crazy , and when pepole go crazy they replace what the computer says with ... crap, eventually the computer will decide what crap is worth more , who are we to decide what crap is worth more , there are standards and there are pepole and computers who decide what these standards are , i am here to have fun and to trow crap at computers
Doesn't the idea of "less is more" mean that there is more meaning behind some simple artwork or design, and is thus the same as postmodernism?
I dont think you really understand what postmodernism actually is. Its not a style and its not something root for. Postmodernism is the world's current reality. Ever repeat a line from a favorite movie and incorporate it into your conversation? Ever send a gif of a cartoon that represents your mood? Ever listen to a rap song and hear a sound bite that you instantly recognize. Ever see foreign pop stars emulating American pop stars fashion and vice versa? Ever eaten at an Olive garden and think I love this italian restaurant? My point here is that daily life is filled with constant referencing of other things in language and communication. Kids today dont even care about owning some unique style of their own generation. They have the internet to pick and choose decades of styles and music... All of this extends to products and fashion, autimobiles and buuildings and ART. etc... The comment about mass media was spot on but in todays world this has been expanded uppn to a hyper extreme. in the 70s there were the intellectuals that were well read and the world hadnt completely globalized YET... Now this postmodernism is the reality we live in as a society. Social media and viral videos are just one obvious and bleeding edge example of how far the phenomenon of postmodernism has affected daily life..
postulating the concept that universal truths cannot be comprehended by human observation, postmodernism contradicts itself as it claims to be another universal truth.
The biggest flaw of postmodernism ^
postmodernism doesnt claim anything. Postmodernism is a merely an acute critical observation about contemporary aesthetics and language and how they function within a technological society.
nah, no one said that it was absolutly true that we couldnt know anything for sure, postmodernists just critique that we assume absolute values without reflection
so... postmodernists are hipsters basically..
Hah, I had the same thought exactly while listening to this xD
Damn hipsters taking over the world...
Hipsters sound pretty damn cool in that case. But because I know better, Ill have to live with the fact that you probably wrote that in a dismissive manner :P
No, but I've found that hipsters are often postmodernists. Postmodernism, hipster culture, and modern feminism are all distinct things, but there is some overlap since they often subscribe to very similar schema.
Yes, they are and that is okay
+cragnog Or while stoned, a very hip thing to do...
Charles Jencks in his book "the language of postmodern architecture" (1977) defines modernism's death on July 15th , not on march 16th.
The OU might have gotten the destruction date mixed up, but they were both of the same site (Pruitt-Igoe in St. Louis)
Modernism has never failed in fact. It still lives on with us.
IKEA, McDonald, iphone, Ford its all heritage of modernism.
Extremely poor and inconsistent description of what postmodernism was and still somehow is. Is reducted to a kind of fuzzy attitude towards modernism. The problem is what modernism? In which field?? Art, Architecture, Philosphy or Social-sciences because there are 4 post-modernism phenomena which are quite differerent in those 4 fields...
isn't the toilet one of the most symbolic pieces of Dadaism ? and according to what i've been reading up on, dadaism was a movement that was categorized under Modernism ?
Modernism is basically anything that is not traditional art, so dadaism is indeed under modernism. Dadaism tried to make fun of the beloved artist. They made silly art. Therefore a lot of people think that the toilet is dadaistic, but post-modernism says "there is no one truth, everything is allowed. And everything is invented, so we have to use all that the modernism has to offer to make art. And if something's in an art-gallery, it's art." It's a bit more than that, but saying that a toilet is art, is very post-modernism.
TriggerTMH Wouldn't that be more of a transgressive stance, designed to shock the audience (as a counterculture, not apostmodernist mix and ridicule of culture)?
Duchamp's "fountain" is often seen as a transitional piece between modernism and postmodernism as far as I'm aware. It challenges the viewers perspective on art while remaining basically a part of neo-dada. So yeah, dada was probably a huge inspiration to the postmodernist attitude.
For the best lecture on post modernity and its implications I suggest Rick Roderick's excellent series "Self Under Siege" in particular the last lecture dealing with Baudrillard.
We need more of these videos
THANK YOU SO TRUCKING MUCH! ......first video that makes sense! :D
lady gaga 1:46 lol she is very postmodern... always referencing the past
+Balthazar Nietzsche Could also be Bjork, whom would be a great example of avant-garde music
So since Postmodernism causes people to ask questions...
Are Memes an example of Postmodern art?
Maybe yes?.
Definitely lol
If you don't understand a thing it sucks? Cool philosophy man!!
Things went to crap after the Arts and Crafts movement.
Memes are the epitome of Postmodernist art.
Hypothetically, if one had about 3 ounces of ganja, what would be a good art project that could be done with this? #help #welp #NowYouDontKnow
anyone know how I could recreate the effect at 2:03 in after effects or what you would even call it
What I was wondering, what will replace Postmodernism?
Metamodernism
awesome! thank you very much
Yes.
Oh noes! Where is 5/6?! #isagrammar
Thanks for this nutshell series. I personally have trouble with the arrogance of the "Modernists" for getting that term stuck in the 50's.
LOL two New Zealands?
the quote "less is more" is from Robert Sullivan. mies van der rohe just watched it up. Great explanation though!
Complexity and contradiction
It was a Thursday.
Merci ^^
Is this english accent?
It is Scottish or some northern England dialect, I think.
the use of picasso as an modernist artist doesnt work. picasso has done everything a post modern artist is supposed to do.
The era of subjectivity..
As far as I can tell, postmodernism is heavily associated with irony, not sincerity.
It was always an era of subjectivity but many refused to believe it.
@@alexandermoden can you explain
This is the most beautiful depiction of postmodernism I've ever seen. Brilliant work guys!!!
Duchamp is silly? Erm.
Your globe has two New Zealand’s
BORK BORK
Banksy's kissing cops is quirky post-modern art? OK Right...
Bring back Grundge!
nzder here why are there 2 nzs on that globe haha
Maybe making up for when it's been left off other maps?
Aren't most young lovers of post modern just loving it through pure irony? Like people watching and enjoying films that are so bad they are good. Most pop critics I've seen when looking at post modernity just say "lol random quirky #random #quirky #randomquirky #postmodernism"
www.stephenhicks.org/2018/01/06/peterson-hicks-discussion-on-pomo-transcription/
Jordan Peterson and Stephen Hicks diagnose Post-modernism.
*The full blow-by-blow transcript of Jordan Peterson's August 2017 interview of Prof. Stephen Hicks, author of "Explaining Postmodernism: Skepticism from Rousseau to Foucault."*
Postmodernism ruined architecture
banksy!
"Ola"??? Mis ojos.... diooooos....
Please post something modern.
I watch 2023 😅😅
Most of this is just plain wrong. o.O
Postmodernism is stupid.
+Andrew Krause 791 people disagree with you.
+voxeledphoton You assume that 790 people are for postmodernism and not considering whether or not they just like the way that the video explains it. Also, 790 isn't a significant number of people considering that the video has 164,000+ views. Also, 164,000+ people could disagree with me and I wouldn't give a shit.
+Andrew Krause figured you'd mention that ;b just to mention 793+22=815 793/815= .973 so it's still approximately 97% of the people that took the time to like or dislike... sorry didn't really mean much with the comment ;b just surfin the web studying for my final and got bored... I do random internet things when I'm bored like write comments that in the end won't mean anything to anyone if they're ignorant enough, but when people just blatantly say something is stupid without explaining why irritates me a bit, though people can have their own opinions without needing explanation to why =.= guess that's what makes individualism so great, everyone going every which way.. starts writing an essay.. oh wait where's my thesis? If you've cared to read this far you're either just bored like I am or that one guy.. hello goodbye.
Postmodernism is the reflection of what people are
Itsiwhatitsi that's deep
In other words, a clusterF
Allih
Postmodernism is such a joke.
Is suicide postmodern?
Why can't artists keep their theories to themselves?
Are you looking for an Equilibrium world. If you dont like someones expression of art than dont "buy" into it. Ignore it. I love the narrator's accent.
Rose Gore It's not the expression of art I don't like. It's the way they go about calling their ideas "theories", ideas which are nothing more than PERSONAL PREFERENCE. We all have our preferences, and a lot of us wants to experiment. That's fine. But to make it seem as though we should structure our lives around those ideas is just really stupid.
Of course everybody wants everyone to believe their own way, and that is what upsets people is when a preference is stated that is not accepted by others. People do just have to understand that that they have a preference and they will have followers but not everyone in the world.
kwanarchive for you to say that almost proves how detached you are from intellectualism. if you're going to say stuff like that, please stay put in the Renaissance section of the museum and don't bother wandering into the Modern and Contemporary sections.
Kazi Rayhan The Rennaisance and the Enlightenment added a lot of new ideas to culture. "Modern" and "contemporary" produced nothing of value. Periods like the Renaissance and the Enlightenment were periods of true intellectualism. Modern and contemporary contains no intellectualism whatsoever. Just a lot of empty words used to make people sound intelligent without actually being.
This random comment is random but there's method to my madness.
LiKeMe.
ola? xDD
(k ase)
barf
This is just silly and explains nothing.
Cut. Print. Gay.