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My cousin Henry was Green Beret medical sergeant during the Vietnam War era. The Air Force offered him a commission and to send him to medical school, so he moved over to them. He served as a USAF doctor until retirement. After retirement from USAF. He became an emergency room physician in the Atlanta area. He died of cancer in 2010. RIP Henry
I took a 10 day EP course and one of the days we had two 18D medics take us through a mix of Basic Life Saving/Combat Medicine......AWESOME training.....True Professionals!!
18Deltas receive an incredible amount of training. From keeping a goat that’s infected with various diseases alive for one year, to surgery, they have so many capabilities.
From Hospital Corpsman A- School to SARC( Navy SARC) ; from 68W AIT to 18D ( Army SF Medic) , this Prior Service Enlisted Marine and Soldier, is impressed with Them, as well as the Air Force Special Tactics Pararescue Jumpers ( PJs). Battlefield Badass Medics and Special Operations Shooters par excellence.🇺🇸🇺🇲🪖💣💥🔥🪂🤿🚑⛑️🩺‼️
the 18 Delta and SARCS in SOCM and SFMS get to train doing combat casualty treatment and stabilizing procedures on live goats pigs and cows with actual combat injuries. so they get the very best most realistic training they could ever get to prepare them to treat combat casualties in the field. using animals is the very best training you could give anyone outside of actual experience with a human casualty. that is why they are the best. they can take life with one hand and save it with the other. they are truly the valkyries of the battlefield.
As well as Corpsman A - School itself prior to that. Which is equivalent to EMT basic, as well as a couple basic Nursing classes. Nothin too crazy, but it does help. It all builds on itself in a way.
I was an FMF Corpsman and one of the forrunners of the SARCs. If I remember correctly, the SARC program got off the ground in fiscal year 94' or 95'. Both SARC's and 18D's are really, really good at what they do. I've been to the SF "goatlab" in Bragg and some other courses that were excellent. One of the major differences that I saw/heard about was the 18Ds get more vet medicine, and the SARC's get more hyperbaric medicine. The SARC's need the dive medicine because pretty much every unit they serve with dives. Both can do short term (sickcall, i.e. coughs and colds and emergency medicine) and longer term care (running a field hospital/surgery in the boonies with little support). Other than what they're called, and the uniform they wear, they are essentially the same. The SARC's have another level now. The SOIDC (Special Operations Independent Duty Corpsman). The Navy Corpsmen on smaller ships and subs, are IDC's and they have been around for a LONG time. The Navy now has Deep Sea Dive Med Techs who are IDC's as well.
@Christopher Nolen Used to be SEALs had certain source ratings that could apply to be SEALs. QM's, BMs, HM's, IS's and several others. The SEAL Corpsmen got advanced training and some went to IDC (surface) school. SEALs became their own rating in (I believe) the early 2000's. After that, certain SEALs, usually guys who were HM's and went to BUD/S would get more training that was more applicable, like advanced trauma, surgery etc.... It was the "green side" Corpsmen, who usually came from the Recon community that made up the SARCs. The first SARCs were guys I worked with. As I said in my previous post, I was one of the forerunners of the official "SARCs" which started officially in fiscal year 94/95' I believe. For a time(prior to SARCs) there were SOT's. Special Operations Techs, NEC 8492, but there was a division within that community. There were 8492's that were SEALs (BUD/S grads), and 8492's that were FMF guys in the Recon community (ARC/BRC grads) (Battalion/Force/SRIG). The detailer would send the appropriately qualified Corpsmen to either the SEAL Teams or the Recon community. Now, there is a pipeline to become a SARC. The downside of that today (in my honest opinion) is that guys who volunteer to be SARCs can end up with Recon or Raiders and they've never operated with the Marine Corps previously. Being a sailor and dealing with Marines and all that goes with that takes some getting used to for some guys. I really enjoyed my time with the Corps and made many, MANY lifelong friends/brothers. But, I saw guys I went to Field Med with who went to some infantry battalion and HATED it. The SARCs, can volunteer for more training which is the SOIDC as far as I've read. Google it, not being snarky, but there is a SARC pipeline that they all go through, and follow on training with more schools that the SOIDC's go to, to fully qualify. Some of those SOIDC's will end up in NSW units, and some with Recon/Raiders. The reenlistment bonus is rather LARGE for a fully trained SOIDC, and that keeps many of them on active duty, along with all the specialty pays. Some of them end up as Physician Assistants on the Navy's dime, if they have a BS degree and if they can get into PA school, which wouldn't be that difficult for someone with a BS and all that training and experience.
@Christopher Nolen There were Recon "Docs" that I worked with and I'm still in touch with.....all GREAT guys. And there are Recon Marines who I worked with who are equally great guys. Many, MANY of us continue to stay in touch. We also have reunions, not just with the guys who served in our era, but who serve or served in current and previous eras (Vietnam) as well. It's great listening to how things were from guys who've "been there, done that and have the t-shirt" and then talking to the guys of today. It's actually very much like a fraternity.
@Christopher Nolen Can't say I blame you. The pentagon probably did a cost/risk analysis and figured they wouldn't have to payoff the entire amount because the guys at 19 years wouldn't live long enough to collect. Glad you're still with us. Hope your son is well and is serving with good guys. The Marines always had our backs and they KNEW we would come and get them and treat them.....no matter what. When we were in garrison some of the younger Marines would complain that "Doc" didn't have the same duties as other guys in the unit. A Gunny informed those Marines that "Doc" was on duty 24/7/365. I have never see or heard of a "Doc" who wasn't willing to take care of a Marine, day or night.....on or off duty.
This video was awesome General Discharge. Hope you guys get to Navy SEAL Qualification Training and the United States Naval Academy when you guys get the chance soon. Never out of the fight guys.
These guys are bad ass! I’m a fire medic but if I known about this fresh out of hs I would’ve gone this route. The nvr ending training and challenges I’d love every second. 👌✌️💯
I'm a long retired 18D and it's interesting to see how things have changed, and how they haven't. I was mostly with 10th Group and worked with the Seal teams a few times, mostly on CSAR missions. Their medics were top notch, especially the Independent Duty Corpsmen (IDC). I was also impressed by the Air Force PJs I worked with. They were primarily trauma medics, but were very good at what they did.
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I'm biased for SARCs as I was an IDC, you should do a video on the Navy's Independent Duty Corpsmen, so much responsibility and so little pay! 🤪 Sadly, military medicine has been aligning more and more with civilian medicine, (So the enlisted get the shaft more), and once the Army got involved in being the "head-ish" of military medicine things have been going downhill. At least the Navy has a trauma program at Cook County General & LA Trauma that enlisted can go to, but good luck getting into those programs, those slots are hard to get!
@generaldischarge , one correction to this excellent commentary. Basic Airborne and Marine Combatant Diver are part of the SARC training pipeline and have been for a couple decades. They don't "move on and get trained" later. Thanks for the great vid! Retired HMCS SARC IDC
Super important skill set and awesome training; not only for the team but more importantly for saving the lives of others outside the team. MUCH RESPECT!!! I enjoy the VERSUS series. It's not so much as a one is better than the other, but more of that they are both important and you have good information to help you decide your career path and or provides general clarity.
Back in the day 300F1 was the SF medical course! It was not uncommon at all for those in the Ranger battalions to be dive qualified! But I suppose a lot has changed in 40 years.
I would love to see in this channel maybe video comparison with The Army Rangers and The Marine Raiders it would be really cool to see how they compare and contrast.
Not a bad synopsis. Im an 18D candidate in socm right now and I sit next to a sarc. Awesome dudes, rangers as well. Some females are kicking ass and meeting/exceeding the standards too. I saw a lot of current instructors in this video. Some of those dudes are legit 18Ds, sarcs, cag dudes, former seals. Not in this vid but we have a dude who was SF in Vietnam as an instructor as well. Completely unassuming, absolutely badass. Theres a photo of him wrestling an anaconda in the water when hes like 65 or 70 lol
@@jackjack4412Js are also rescue specialists in all geographical/environmental zones also highly trained in extraction techniques from wheeled or track vehicles and from deformed aircraft containing live ammunition, weapons and "live" ejection seats. Also cave rescue, high angle rescue, and narrow passage rescue and water rescue. PJs maintain a Special Operation Tactical Paramedic certification throughout their career.🎉
What I heard was SARCs are better generally speaking because they're dive qualed out the gate, and they conduct regular sick call in garrison which both contributes to a broader technician. Nothing against the 18d, I'm sure their battlefield medicine is just as top notch, but I'd take a corpsman every time.
@sekhemmontu7072 he's just saying through the initial training is soidcs are generally more medically trained through the rest because of going through 4 different medical school
PJs go to an EMT program in Albuquerque, NM and don't attend SOCM like the SARCs and 18Ds. PJs focus more on combat search and rescue (CSAR) and stabilize a patient until they get them to a field hospital whereas 18D and SARCs can do more medical treatments in the field.
Interesting stuff. I like how you differentiate between the two with the water issue. PS The last few years there have been some articles of the Rangers taking over some of Delta's jobs. Any chance of doing something on that?
@@carlosbeck662 I'm not entirely sure but when I was still in the navy they started letting e4s go a few years back and few of the newer corpsman after the schools all changed said you could have sarc in your contract at that point so I could be wrong
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First of all thank you General discharge for this video and how amazing is explained. Hypothetically If I am already a trauma surgeon or emergency physician do I still have to go through SOCM and SFMS ?
I have a question are combat medics also trained in weaponry as well in case if they are getting shot at can they defend their selfs in combat just in case if the enemy is trying to attack or kill them
A Special Forces Eighteen Delta ( MOS 18D , Special Forces Medical Sergeant) is the equivalent of a Civilian Physician's Assistant, one step away from being a Medical Doctor, and, is NOT merely a glorified ParaMedic with a Firearm , like some generic assed SWAT Medic from the Police Department or Sheriff's Office.
Wow! Someone really got next to you. I'm a police officer and we don't have a "SWAT Medic", as you say. We have qualified POST certified Fire Department medical medical personnel on the team. In other words, they're firemen and SWAT. And, btw, they do regular rotations in the ERs of the hospitals around here. So, just as you don't want SARCs and 18Ds to be minimized, don't minimize our teams. Most of us are prior service, and, or retired from the military, and mostly from the Army or Marines.
@@JustinThomasP SOCM graduates don't get NREMT-P certification, meaning 18Ds and SARCs are not NREMT-P certified unless members attend additional training by themselves. I remember the most they get is called the Advanced Tactical Practitioner (ATP).
Whether Navy SARC, Army SF 18D, or Air Force Special Tactics PJ, these Special Operations Sailors, Soldiers, and Airmen, bring the best, both of Military Medicine and proficiency as Battlefield Badass Shooters and Special Operators, adept in Weapons And Tactics. This is intrinsic , both as a Warrior and a Healer, not like , exempli gratia ( e.g.), taking an average SWAT Operative or a " Special Operations" Firefighter EMT, and, giving him an abbreviated version of Marksmanship and CQB Training . But a ( Military Forces) Special Operations Medic/ Corpsman, and, a ( Civilian) Special Weapons And Tactics ( SWAT) Paramedic are NOT one and the same.
PJs get EMT training and are more involved with search and rescue, extractions, and stabilize patients until arriving at some medical facility, field hospital, or sometimes a ship. 18Ds and SARCs have more medical training and can do more in the field besides extraction to a hospital/medical unit. PJs used to go to SOCM alongside 18Ds and SARCS, but the Air Force decided to just have them just do EMT school (some PJs might get more medical training) In a sense, PJs are paramedics and 18Ds/SARCs are Physician Assistants-ish.
@@keithdudley9199 Yes. "Basic" Corpsmen go to initial training in San Antonio. Then they can specialize in different fields (Lab, Radiology, Surgery, etc.). Some take additional order to FMTB so they can be attached to Marine units. SARCs take it to the next level to become operators and work with high-speed teams like MARSOC. They learn more medicine than your general duty Corpsman.
As a medical Nursing Student in my 3 yrs in college? Can SARC or 18D consider my college credit? And what possible rank after Bootcamp? and can i join Directly from civilian to SARC or 18Delta? Im 35 yrs old
It's better to use "raises the question" instead of "begs the question". The latter is a mistake that unfortunately MW let into the books but is generally frowned upon in the upper echelons of English usage. Begging the question is a technical term used in logical theory. Words are like dressing (clothes). You should dress words. Yes, you can technically wear a borat outfit to a wedding, but you shouldn't. Raises the question is what you should use.
Yeah; The U.S. ARMY Special Forces Bro's go through farrr more training; yes, as pertaining to Medical Treatment, esp. Our Medics take the SARC Course, and a few others.
For DEVGRU, they use SARCs more than other SEAL Teams. SEAL teams have some SEALs who get some medical training and are called medics. They are SEALs first and medics second, whereas SARCS are Corpsman first and get extra recon training. SARCs are mostly attached to USMC Division and Force Recon as well as MARSOC though they can work with other special operations units depending on the mission and location and such. Usually these are mixed unit missions such as a Marine Force Recon with some SEALs deploying/training together.
PJ aren't medics in the traditional sense. They don't go to SOCM but rather go to AF EMT training. While PJs do have significant medical training, it's only one skill of many that helps them complete their primary mission - recovery of personnel in need.
@@pageone3791 we carry APLS warming litters. It's like a space blanket and a soft litter. We don't get em 'trauma naked' until they're out of danger in a tactical situation. Once they're in the APLS, you can open it and work on them in a segmented fashion without exposing the whole person. The short answer is you deal with what's going to kill them first. Deal with the bleeding/breathing issues from the gsw, Then attend promptly to their hypothermia.
Which do you prefer, Navy SARCs, or Army 18D’s?
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Do a video on all jobs for wildland firefighting
@@emmanuelawosusi2365 it’s not law enforcement or military
Please do Bounty Hunters, Please
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My cousin Henry was Green Beret medical sergeant during the Vietnam War era. The Air Force offered him a commission and to send him to medical school, so he moved over to them. He served as a USAF doctor until retirement. After retirement from USAF. He became an emergency room physician in the Atlanta area. He died of cancer in 2010. RIP Henry
A true American Hero Rip 🙏💯
Badass!
@@SuperColonel91 Yeah worked almost up until the last months alive. He was sicker than the patients he was treating in the ER
@@TheCerebralDude Damn!
RIP Doctor Henry. Much respect!
I took a 10 day EP course and one of the days we had two 18D medics take us through a mix of Basic Life Saving/Combat Medicine......AWESOME training.....True Professionals!!
Where did you go for EP training? I’m looking for some additional training.
@@grayman556 It was LaSorsa and Associates EP course in Miami....great training!
Thank you
@@grayman556 You're welcome Sir...
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18Deltas receive an incredible amount of training. From keeping a goat that’s infected with various diseases alive for one year, to surgery, they have so many capabilities.
Yo that actually just got me so much more excited for the pipeline lol 🤣
SARC & SF18D’s are OUTSTANDING. However, I will always have a very big spot in my heart for the PJ’s.
PJ’s are simply paramedics who can run/swim.
From Hospital Corpsman A- School to SARC( Navy SARC) ; from 68W AIT to 18D ( Army SF Medic) , this Prior Service Enlisted Marine and Soldier, is impressed with Them, as well as the Air Force Special Tactics Pararescue Jumpers ( PJs). Battlefield Badass Medics and Special Operations Shooters par excellence.🇺🇸🇺🇲🪖💣💥🔥🪂🤿🚑⛑️🩺‼️
the 18 Delta and SARCS in SOCM and SFMS get to train doing combat casualty treatment and stabilizing procedures on live goats pigs and cows with actual combat injuries. so they get the very best most realistic training they could ever get to prepare them to treat combat casualties in the field. using animals is the very best training you could give anyone outside of actual experience with a human casualty. that is why they are the best. they can take life with one hand and save it with the other. they are truly the valkyries of the battlefield.
I didn’t know that cows, goats and pigs go into combat 😉
A sincere thank you all military and civilian medical personnel for all you do.
Prior to SOCM, SARCs have already received some medical training from Corpsman training and FMTB.
As well as Corpsman A - School itself prior to that. Which is equivalent to EMT basic, as well as a couple basic Nursing classes. Nothin too crazy, but it does help. It all builds on itself in a way.
Most 18d guys are prior 68w
They also go to dive medicine course during the pipeline
A PJ vs 18D would be awesome
I was an FMF Corpsman and one of the forrunners of the SARCs. If I remember correctly, the SARC program got off the ground in fiscal year 94' or 95'. Both SARC's and 18D's are really, really good at what they do. I've been to the SF "goatlab" in Bragg and some other courses that were excellent. One of the major differences that I saw/heard about was the 18Ds get more vet medicine, and the SARC's get more hyperbaric medicine. The SARC's need the dive medicine because pretty much every unit they serve with dives. Both can do short term (sickcall, i.e. coughs and colds and emergency medicine) and longer term care (running a field hospital/surgery in the boonies with little support). Other than what they're called, and the uniform they wear, they are essentially the same. The SARC's have another level now. The SOIDC (Special Operations Independent Duty Corpsman). The Navy Corpsmen on smaller ships and subs, are IDC's and they have been around for a LONG time. The Navy now has Deep Sea Dive Med Techs who are IDC's as well.
@Christopher Nolen Used to be SEALs had certain source ratings that could apply to be SEALs. QM's, BMs, HM's, IS's and several others. The SEAL Corpsmen got advanced training and some went to IDC (surface) school. SEALs became their own rating in (I believe) the early 2000's. After that, certain SEALs, usually guys who were HM's and went to BUD/S would get more training that was more applicable, like advanced trauma, surgery etc.... It was the "green side" Corpsmen, who usually came from the Recon community that made up the SARCs. The first SARCs were guys I worked with. As I said in my previous post, I was one of the forerunners of the official "SARCs" which started officially in fiscal year 94/95' I believe.
For a time(prior to SARCs) there were SOT's. Special Operations Techs, NEC 8492, but there was a division within that community. There were 8492's that were SEALs (BUD/S grads), and 8492's that were FMF guys in the Recon community (ARC/BRC grads) (Battalion/Force/SRIG). The detailer would send the appropriately qualified Corpsmen to either the SEAL Teams or the Recon community.
Now, there is a pipeline to become a SARC. The downside of that today (in my honest opinion) is that guys who volunteer to be SARCs can end up with Recon or Raiders and they've never operated with the Marine Corps previously. Being a sailor and dealing with Marines and all that goes with that takes some getting used to for some guys. I really enjoyed my time with the Corps and made many, MANY lifelong friends/brothers. But, I saw guys I went to Field Med with who went to some infantry battalion and HATED it.
The SARCs, can volunteer for more training which is the SOIDC as far as I've read. Google it, not being snarky, but there is a SARC pipeline that they all go through, and follow on training with more schools that the SOIDC's go to, to fully qualify. Some of those SOIDC's will end up in NSW units, and some with Recon/Raiders. The reenlistment bonus is rather LARGE for a fully trained SOIDC, and that keeps many of them on active duty, along with all the specialty pays. Some of them end up as Physician Assistants on the Navy's dime, if they have a BS degree and if they can get into PA school, which wouldn't be that difficult for someone with a BS and all that training and experience.
@Christopher Nolen I hope that helped or made things more clear.
@Christopher Nolen There were Recon "Docs" that I worked with and I'm still in touch with.....all GREAT guys. And there are Recon Marines who I worked with who are equally great guys. Many, MANY of us continue to stay in touch. We also have reunions, not just with the guys who served in our era, but who serve or served in current and previous eras (Vietnam) as well. It's great listening to how things were from guys who've "been there, done that and have the t-shirt" and then talking to the guys of today. It's actually very much like a fraternity.
@Christopher Nolen Can't say I blame you. The pentagon probably did a cost/risk analysis and figured they wouldn't have to payoff the entire amount because the guys at 19 years wouldn't live long enough to collect. Glad you're still with us. Hope your son is well and is serving with good guys. The Marines always had our backs and they KNEW we would come and get them and treat them.....no matter what. When we were in garrison some of the younger Marines would complain that "Doc" didn't have the same duties as other guys in the unit. A Gunny informed those Marines that "Doc" was on duty 24/7/365. I have never see or heard of a "Doc" who wasn't willing to take care of a Marine, day or night.....on or off duty.
SAD.@christophernolen4117
Thank GOD for Your Doc , take care of Your Doc and Pray you never need Him.
This video was awesome General Discharge. Hope you guys get to Navy SEAL Qualification Training and the United States Naval Academy when you guys get the chance soon. Never out of the fight guys.
These guys are bad ass! I’m a fire medic but if I known about this fresh out of hs I would’ve gone this route. The nvr ending training and challenges I’d love every second. 👌✌️💯
You can still go
What an admirable profession, these guys are the best.
I'm a long retired 18D and it's interesting to see how things have changed, and how they haven't. I was mostly with 10th Group and worked with the Seal teams a few times, mostly on CSAR missions. Their medics were top notch, especially the Independent Duty Corpsmen (IDC). I was also impressed by the Air Force PJs I worked with. They were primarily trauma medics, but were very good at what they did.
any chance you did your street time with us at NYC EMS/FDNY? We had a bunch of guys going through the course back in the day.
@@MichaelGlennglennimages I did not, although I imagine NYC would be a good place to get some experience. I did mine with San Antonio FD.
great!! add PJs, Ranger medics and SEAL corpsman detailed training to the mix
Which do you prefer, Navy SARCs, or Army SF 18D's?
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I'm biased for SARCs as I was an IDC, you should do a video on the Navy's Independent Duty Corpsmen, so much responsibility and so little pay! 🤪 Sadly, military medicine has been aligning more and more with civilian medicine, (So the enlisted get the shaft more), and once the Army got involved in being the "head-ish" of military medicine things have been going downhill. At least the Navy has a trauma program at Cook County General & LA Trauma that enlisted can go to, but good luck getting into those programs, those slots are hard to get!
@generaldischarge , one correction to this excellent commentary. Basic Airborne and Marine Combatant Diver are part of the SARC training pipeline and have been for a couple decades. They don't "move on and get trained" later.
Thanks for the great vid!
Retired HMCS SARC IDC
Super important skill set and awesome training; not only for the team but more importantly for saving the lives of others outside the team. MUCH RESPECT!!!
I enjoy the VERSUS series. It's not so much as a one is better than the other, but more of that they are both important and you have good information to help you decide your career path and or provides general clarity.
Back in the day 300F1 was the SF medical course! It was not uncommon at all for those in the Ranger battalions to be dive qualified! But I suppose a lot has changed in 40 years.
Yep, 300f1 is now a flight medic designation. Changed in the early 00s.
I would love to see in this channel maybe video comparison with The Army Rangers and The Marine Raiders it would be really cool to see how they compare and contrast.
Keep the content brother . Making our dedication and sacrifice known. 🇺🇸💪🏾👌🏾.
Not a bad synopsis. Im an 18D candidate in socm right now and I sit next to a sarc. Awesome dudes, rangers as well. Some females are kicking ass and meeting/exceeding the standards too. I saw a lot of current instructors in this video. Some of those dudes are legit 18Ds, sarcs, cag dudes, former seals. Not in this vid but we have a dude who was SF in Vietnam as an instructor as well. Completely unassuming, absolutely badass. Theres a photo of him wrestling an anaconda in the water when hes like 65 or 70 lol
Would you mind if ask you a few questions I’m thinking about going 18d just get an idea of someone who’s gone through it
Keeping our Marines alive!
SARC’s kick A$$
RIP
E.D. Case 5th SF, and James. M. Lee 75th Rangers.
I'd like to see a video on the difference between the US Army Combat Engineers and Navy seabees.
SeeBees UCT Officer trajectories. Love your videos.
Do Army Security Force Assistance Brigade (SFAB)
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The Genie granted one wish.
The Answer: " I want to the a Special Forces Operator forever "
Can you go deeper into SOST???
Great video as always. How about the 68w for the Batt Boys?
Very good comparison.
Thank you
Remember; if you shoot at a medic....consider your life fuckin forfeit.
#FatElectrition moment
@@dogloversrule8476 😎🤝
Beer light is on in Raleigh!!!
Hey, General Discharge could you do a video on Blackwater maybe?
I enjoyed all the information.
While I think both are awesome, if I had my way; I’d go the PJ route 👍🏾
PJ's are awesome too. The capabilities are somewhat similar to 18D but the actual job seems to be MUCH different.
@@jackjack4412Js are also rescue specialists in all geographical/environmental zones also highly trained in extraction techniques from wheeled or track vehicles and from deformed aircraft containing live ammunition, weapons and "live" ejection seats. Also cave rescue, high angle rescue, and narrow passage rescue and water rescue. PJs maintain a Special Operation Tactical Paramedic certification throughout their career.🎉
What I heard was SARCs are better generally speaking because they're dive qualed out the gate, and they conduct regular sick call in garrison which both contributes to a broader technician.
Nothing against the 18d, I'm sure their battlefield medicine is just as top notch, but I'd take a corpsman every time.
How can they be better when the school is a “ Army” school?
Same Army school and 18D can cover sick call too. also bilingual and bicultural😊
@sekhemmontu7072 he's just saying through the initial training is soidcs are generally more medically trained through the rest because of going through 4 different medical school
Can you do an updated video on ISA and what we know about them? I have seen a lot of new info lately. Also more unknown entities I love that series!
Could you do a video on US army counterintelligence Special Agent?
Good comparison video thanks
Could you please make a video on the differences between CSOR and JTF2?
Csor is the tier 2 unit and jtf2 is the tier 1 unit of Canada and they all fall under cansofcom aka Canadian special operations forces command
@@Frost_actual thank you
@@abdulnasserzabian2756 they're is plenty more information on it if you do the research
@@abdulnasserzabian2756 actually he made a video awhile back you can check it out here ua-cam.com/video/cjNqgmgbx0o/v-deo.html
Make a video on the army special forces 5th group (ghost recon)
Can you guys do a video on the Organization of the Secret Service?
I know one of those SOIDCs, now on staff at SOMTG in SOCM...
There’s a book by a former sarc called Battle Ready, the author’s name is Mark L. Donald.
book says SEAL medic not SARC
@@jesussson3467 if I remember correctly he went through sarc training
Kind of out there, and I don’t think you’ve done a video…. But could you do Postal inspectors?
Hey General Discharge, could you do a video on Navy Engineering Duty Officers?
I thought the pararescue guys were also at the top of that pyramid
Such NB (important) people to have in your UNIT !!!
Please do bounty hunters
can you explain the difference between enlisted and officer roles in units like MARSOC or Recon?
Officers do more planning and organization than solely focusing on kicking down doors.
Do it sounds like the big difference is the dive status of SARCS and the in Garrison mission of 18D
Hey general discharge you can make a video about the Carabinieri
What is the difference in training for the AF PJ's?
They have a video on PJ's.
PJs go to an EMT program in Albuquerque, NM and don't attend SOCM like the SARCs and 18Ds. PJs focus more on combat search and rescue (CSAR) and stabilize a patient until they get them to a field hospital whereas 18D and SARCs can do more medical treatments in the field.
Hell yeah I wanted this vid
Why do SARCs retain their medical authority in garrison and 18D’s don’t?
Interesting stuff. I like how you differentiate between the two with the water issue.
PS The last few years there have been some articles of the Rangers taking over some of Delta's jobs. Any chance of doing something on that?
What jobs are you referring to?
One negative about Navy Sarcs is that u cannot be guaranteed a slot for selection in the contract you sign
You can now actually for the last few years actually I believe
@@kirkmoody6109 I thought it was that hm atf contract that could make u end up as a DMT or Search and rescue corpsman. Idk u probably no more than me
@@carlosbeck662 I'm not entirely sure but when I was still in the navy they started letting e4s go a few years back and few of the newer corpsman after the schools all changed said you could have sarc in your contract at that point so I could be wrong
@@kirkmoody6109 oh ok Ty for saying that tho, I will definitely look into it. If I get a guaranteed shot at Sarc I will 100% take it!
Could you potentially do a video on the Israeli Sayeret Matkal?
Can y’all make a future video on interpol
Can you please do a video on Civil Affairs forces? Thanks, and keep up the great videos.
We did a video on Civil Affairs!
Very cool!
Could we get a comparison with PJs?
They did a PJ vs SARC video
Why weren't PJs compared in this video?
Can you do a video on every requirement for being a USMC Naval Aviator. I want to be a Naval Aviator in the Marines when I am old enough.
1. Speak to a recruiter and decide if the Marine Corps is a good fit for you
Before you commit, do your research. Learn about the military and whether life as a Marine is right for you. Talk to a Marine Corps recruiter about how your career goals align with the Corps’ training opportunities and mission needs.
2. Confirm that you meet the Marine Corp’s basic qualifications for pilots
To be eligible to join the Marine Corps and enter the pilot pipeline, you must:
Be at least 18 years old
Receive your officer commission after your 20th birthday and prior to your 28th birthday
Be a United State citizen
Pass a Single Scope background check
Pass a military physical exam
Includes urinalysis, dental, hearing, HIV, hematocrit and lipid panel as well as an EKG, blood pressure, and pulse rate screening
Meet pilot-specific physical requirements
Weight of between 103 and 231 pounds
Sitting height of 31 to 40.9 inches
Sitting eye height of 26 to 31.4 inches
Vision correctable to 20/20
Full-color vision
Full field of vision including depth perception
Pass aviation physical
Pass the initial strength test (IST)
Hold a bachelor’s degree or be a current full-time student at an accredited university
Meet one of the three test score minimums
1,000+ combined Math and English SAT score
22+ ACT composite score
74+ Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery (ASVAB)
Meet minimum score on the Aviation Selection Test Battery (ASTB)
Academic Qualifications Rating (AQR): 4
Flight Officer Aptitude Rating (FOFAR): 6
3. Attend Officer Candidates School (OCS)
The curriculum of the ten-week Officer Candidates School (OCS) includes a blend of classroom learning as well as field training exercises. The purpose of this school is to prepare officer candidates to be leaders. Topics include general knowledge, history, navigation, communication, tactics, and leadership skills. Student Naval Aviators are evaluated based on leadership, academic performance, and physical fitness.
4. Receive your commission
Upon graduation from OCS, you will officially receive your commission. Congratulations - you are now a second lieutenant in the United States Marine Corps.
5. Attend The Basic School (TBS)
All newly commissioned Marine Corps officers must attend The Basic School (TBS) in Quantico, Virginia. The purpose of The Basic School is to impart a basic level of tactical competency and combat leadership skills to all new second lieutenants. The Marines are known for their esprit-de-corps, and instilling this sense of comradery and love of unit is another key focus of TBS.
6. Complete flight training
After completion of The Basic School, your training will become more customized to your profession. The Marine Corps breaks their flight training program down into three phases, all of which must be completed prior to you being considered a full-fledged Marine Corps pilot.
The three phases of flight training are:
AVIATION PRE-FLIGHT INDOCTRINATION (API)
Think of pre-flight indoctrination as a six-week, 196 academic hour, ground school held at either Vance Air Force Base in Oklahoma or Naval Air Station Pensacola, Florida. In this initial training phase you will spend three weeks studying aerodynamics, aircraft engines, meteorology, aviation physiology and other academic topics. In the final three weeks of the school you will receive instruction in water and land survival.
The water survival course includes drown proofing and a 1-mile swim in a flight suit among other training evolutions. During land survival, you will learn valuable skills like how to build shelters, read a map, procure and purify water, and trap or gather food.
PRIMARY FLIGHT TRAINING
During primary flight training, you will take to the air in a T-34C turboprop trainer. Your performance during the approximately 22 weeks you spend in primary training is important because instructors will be using your grades and their assessment of your aptitude to assign you to your specialty aircraft. The more you excel, the greater the likelihood that you will be assigned the pipeline of your choice. Students will be given their aircraft specialization assignments near the end of primary flight training. Specializations include helicopters, jets, and turboprops.
BASIC, INTERMEDIATE, AND ADVANCED FIGHT TRAINING
Now that you have been assigned your specialization, it is time for 27 to 44 weeks of aircraft-specific training. Training takes place in both the simulator and actual aircraft. The location and specifics of your training will depend on which specialization you are assigned. Expect to practice and earn certifications in more challenging skills like night flights, landing on an aircraft carrier, conducting aerobatic and combat maneuvers, and flying in formation.
7. Receive your gold wings
Upon completion of all three phases of your flight training, you will earn your gold flight wings and officially become a Marine Corps Aviator.
8. Transition into your career through a Fleet Replacement Squadron (FRS)
The final step in your journey to your first duty station is to spend 6-12 months with a Fleet Replacement Squadron. Here you will receive additional training and gain experience flying your designated aircraft. By the time you leave the FRS and report to your first duty station, you will be a mission-ready Marine Corp pilot.
Hey discharge, could you maybe do a future video on Canada's Federal Police Force, the RCMP?
Can you do JTAC vs 18E?
Why you blur out the EJ IV? lol...
Can you please do force recon vs marine recon
Yo Gen discharge. Important question. Would you consider both communities to be equivalent of a physicans assistant? Or just the navy SARCs.
First of all thank you General discharge for this video and how amazing is explained. Hypothetically If I am already a trauma surgeon or emergency physician do I still have to go through SOCM and SFMS ?
Wondering if you could talk about the green side IDC pipeline
I have a question are combat medics also trained in weaponry as well
in case if they are getting shot at can they defend their selfs in combat just in case if the enemy is trying to attack or kill them
Of course
A Special Forces Eighteen Delta ( MOS 18D , Special Forces Medical Sergeant) is the equivalent of a Civilian Physician's Assistant, one step away from being a Medical Doctor, and, is NOT merely a glorified ParaMedic with a Firearm , like some generic assed SWAT Medic from the Police Department or Sheriff's Office.
Wow! Someone really got next to you. I'm a police officer and we don't have a "SWAT Medic", as you say. We have qualified POST certified Fire Department medical medical personnel on the team. In other words, they're firemen and SWAT. And, btw, they do regular rotations in the ERs of the hospitals around here. So, just as you don't want SARCs and 18Ds to be minimized, don't minimize our teams. Most of us are prior service, and, or retired from the military, and mostly from the Army or Marines.
What about PJ's or SOST's?
Differents jobs
PJs vs Sarcs?
Nah Sarcs VS 18 delta medics
They already did a comparison. PJ'S are emt's while sarcs are pretty much emts & nurses on the battlefield
@@KrOnIc343 both are NREMT-P. Sarcs have more CQB training, where PJ’s are more of a medical and rescue element. Both are comparable to PA’s
@@JustinThomasP SOCM graduates don't get NREMT-P certification, meaning 18Ds and SARCs are not NREMT-P certified unless members attend additional training by themselves. I remember the most they get is called the Advanced Tactical Practitioner (ATP).
@@dallasyap3064 actually sarcs hold the title of a pa they are required too as IDCs
Whether Navy SARC, Army SF 18D, or Air Force Special Tactics PJ, these Special Operations Sailors, Soldiers, and Airmen, bring the best, both of Military Medicine and proficiency as Battlefield Badass Shooters and Special Operators, adept in Weapons And Tactics. This is intrinsic , both as a Warrior and a Healer, not like , exempli gratia ( e.g.), taking an average SWAT Operative or a " Special Operations" Firefighter EMT, and, giving him an abbreviated version of Marksmanship and CQB Training . But a ( Military Forces) Special Operations Medic/ Corpsman, and, a ( Civilian) Special Weapons And Tactics ( SWAT) Paramedic are NOT one and the same.
There’s gonna be a guy like what bortac what about fbi hrt I always reply back with bortac and fbi hrt are former operators
So are SARCs also medics for SEALs?
They serve in some capacity in DEVGRU but SEALs have their own medics
How do they compare to PJs?
PJs get EMT training and are more involved with search and rescue, extractions, and stabilize patients until arriving at some medical facility, field hospital, or sometimes a ship. 18Ds and SARCs have more medical training and can do more in the field besides extraction to a hospital/medical unit. PJs used to go to SOCM alongside 18Ds and SARCS, but the Air Force decided to just have them just do EMT school (some PJs might get more medical training) In a sense, PJs are paramedics and 18Ds/SARCs are Physician Assistants-ish.
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SOST: "Am I a joke to you?"
Are SARCS embedded with Marsoc?
Yes, they're primarily attached to recon and marsoc
So they are another level CORPSMAN? Needless to say.
@@keithdudley9199 Yes. "Basic" Corpsmen go to initial training in San Antonio. Then they can specialize in different fields (Lab, Radiology, Surgery, etc.). Some take additional order to FMTB so they can be attached to Marine units. SARCs take it to the next level to become operators and work with high-speed teams like MARSOC. They learn more medicine than your general duty Corpsman.
As a medical Nursing Student in my 3 yrs in college? Can SARC or 18D consider my college credit? And what possible rank after Bootcamp?
and can i join Directly from civilian to SARC or 18Delta? Im 35 yrs old
They have basically the same school and pipeline.
Yeeessss!!!
How could you possibly leave the PJs out of this. 🤔🤔🤔
USAF PJ's are top dogs
y'all should do navy MA
Love you're statement at the end of many of these videos."Which is better?" Lol 😆 🤣 Hate when people get into those ridiculous arguments.
Army Rangers vs. Recon Marines!
Im still wondering why they are exclusive to enlisted ranks only tho
Corpsman are a enlisted rank and 18 series are mostly enlisted different job than the warrant and officer role
do you have to have your emt or paramedic to get in to 18 delta
It's better to use "raises the question" instead of "begs the question". The latter is a mistake that unfortunately MW let into the books but is generally frowned upon in the upper echelons of English usage. Begging the question is a technical term used in logical theory.
Words are like dressing (clothes). You should dress words. Yes, you can technically wear a borat outfit to a wedding, but you shouldn't.
Raises the question is what you should use.
Yeah; The U.S. ARMY Special Forces Bro's go through farrr more training; yes, as pertaining to Medical Treatment, esp. Our Medics take the SARC Course, and a few others.
So do SARCs serve on Seal Team units?
Yes they can but most don't.
For DEVGRU, they use SARCs more than other SEAL Teams. SEAL teams have some SEALs who get some medical training and are called medics. They are SEALs first and medics second, whereas SARCS are Corpsman first and get extra recon training. SARCs are mostly attached to USMC Division and Force Recon as well as MARSOC though they can work with other special operations units depending on the mission and location and such. Usually these are mixed unit missions such as a Marine Force Recon with some SEALs deploying/training together.
Not sure if this is a dumb question, but how does a PJ compare?
PJ aren't medics in the traditional sense. They don't go to SOCM but rather go to AF EMT training. While PJs do have significant medical training, it's only one skill of many that helps them complete their primary mission - recovery of personnel in need.
@@wakes_inc Thanks a lot!!!! seriously.
18d any day
Very interested in combat medics in arctic combat zones. Seems the environment already puts medics at a disadvantage.
You'd be surprised how good these medics can operate in a combat zone
Look up Bridgeport cold weather/mountain training course. They have a mountain/cold weather medicine training package and it's... Cold.
@@hiei248 I’m just interested in how a gsw would be handled. Unclothing an injured soldier in extreme weather conditions would be a challenge.
@@pageone3791 we carry APLS warming litters. It's like a space blanket and a soft litter. We don't get em 'trauma naked' until they're out of danger in a tactical situation. Once they're in the APLS, you can open it and work on them in a segmented fashion without exposing the whole person.
The short answer is you deal with what's going to kill them first. Deal with the bleeding/breathing issues from the gsw, Then attend promptly to their hypothermia.