Yea, what happened to Ukraine is winning? They kept saying that Russian forces are depleted, ill equipped, and yet, apparently the Ukrainian forces have a problem with deserters.
Based on what evidence? Russia has another country fighting it's war for them. Somehow this is some deception that dudes with no Fs left to give decide to call it quits?
Fight in a war, or go to jail...jail sounds safer. The poor guy whos wife filed for a divorce while he's away at war... that would be it for me too. Like there he is fighting to protect his family, and they abandon him. Men need to have something to fight for, and if they really have no friends or family, then why would they risk their lives to fight for anything?
@@18_rabbitZelenski is a puppet. He has no sovereign thought in his head, let alone action. The Banderite SS has the people of Ukraine in a deathchoke and are forcing them into extermination by fighting the war for NATO goals.
@@Enigma96969 no, man, there are documentaries and report stories on UA-cam about rehab centers in Ukraine for wounded soldiers. It's a hard watch. There were ladies, too.
"they don't know about?" The Ukrainian army knows when their units aren't showing up. If you have a captain responsible for 100 men and he counts 90 of them, he has to account for the other 10. Either they were KIA, WIA, or they deserted. They know darn well how many people are showing up in the hospitals, morgues, and who's just not showing up. If there's an uncertainty in that number it is because the Ukraininan Ministry of Defense lies to make the problem look less terrible than it really is, just like they've lied about everything else during this war.
@@kma3647 Not all deserters are soldiers, a lot of Ukrainians who deserted to Romania weren't even soldiers. Just Last year the Ukrainian government captured 20,000 civilians trying to flee the border.
Beyond that they don’t want to die for territory that is mostly full of ethnic Russians who aren’t loyal to Kiev to begin with. This could have all been avoided with a national divorce after the revolution.
@@jesusaguilar4585 russia has a mandatory draft and has used those draftees in Kursk. Russia pays those 3k massive sums (for russian standards) to have volunteers because Putin knows a mass mobilisation would kill russias economy and is very unpopular.
@mirkoritter1976 Are you arguing that people who volunteer to join their country's military should not be given any incentive such as financial to join? Here in the US the incentives to join the military range from money for higher education, federal pension, financial incentives for home ownership, healthcare, etc. Ukraine on the other hand offers very little and resorts to kidnapping military age men off the streets
The fact that Europe and the US are giving weapons by the teaspoon is not enough to repel the Russian occupiers. Ukraine is defending itself against the largest country in the world, although its population is smaller than Europe. Why are they giving so little weapons? Yes, the Russians are suffering huge losses, but the donated FPV drones have changed the course of the war in close asymmetrical battles on the Ukrainian side. If the allies had given enough weapons, Ukrainian soldiers would not have fled the army.
More than several ex-Ukrainian soldiers in Moldova have told me they were able to cross the Moldovan border AFTER they paid Ukrainian Border Guards $3,000.
@@tss4629They're actually alot of Ukrainian soldiers that have deserted to join the Russian army, some earlier in the war and some recently plus they also have relatives in Russia
@day863of3dayspecialoperation check the roots of this war..check what ukrainiens they did to the russians and other minorities starting from.2014 till 2022..and then talk..if you don't know..don't talk..
the fact that Europe and the US are giving weapons by the teaspoon is not enough to repel the Russian occupiers. Ukraine is fighting the biggest country, why are they giving so little weapons? Yes, the Russians are suffering huge losses, but FPV drones from donations have changed the course of the war in close asymmetric battles on the side of Ukraine. If the allies had given enough weapons, the soldiers would not have run away from the army.
Complete waste of time to fight back when your country gets invaded . Briain ,Europe and Russia would belong to Germany with that thinking . Finland and Afghanistan would belong to Russia with that thinking. Canada 1812 would be part of the USA with that thinking . 1937 China would belong to Japan with that thinking . France would still own Vietnam with that thinking . Southern Ireland would be part of Britain with that thinking . Japan would own The Philippines with that thinking You sound like you would not be much help if your county gets invaded .
@@Crashed131963 No one said it is a complete waste of time to fight back in a war. What most people think is that the war was avoidable by Ukraine choosing to be neutral instead of joining NATO and granting autonomy and language rights to the people of Donbas.
It's surely happening here in Geneva, Switzerland. However, many of the women were single, even if they had a small child already (the child is often called Olga).
No one is winning, the costs are horrendous on both sides, the Russian people just don't realise it yet but they will eventually find out. What will Putler do when they do find out?
Mate they’ve been deserting for a while now. Even Ukrainian MP Anna Skorokhod said weeks ago that about 100k+ have deserted. The telgram groups are full of vids of ukrainian citizens being dragged from the streets into vans and sent to fight. Russia is still holding the east that they wanted all this time and are still making gains. Why do you think the US and EU are sending them more missiles and equipment now? Even violating the Ottawa Agreement. They all know that once Trump is in office and cuts aid, it’s over and zelenskoy will have no choice but to cede those eastern territories. These are the cold hard facts that NATO bots refuse to acknowledge. They blindly regurgitate narratives from taxpayer-funded news channels without ever taking the time to verify sources, compare different reports, identify biases, and make well-informed decisions based on a thorough analysis of all sides.
The poor have to go to the frontlines and get screwed, the better-off spend nice life in the West ! Alone in Germany more than 250.000 young Ukrainian men ...
I don't blame any Ukrainian soldier from surrendering or deserting because this SMO/War has been over for quite a long time and now they are only dying on the orders of NATO. You know the situation is bad when even DW has to cover the high desertion rate.
the fact that Europe and the US are giving weapons by the teaspoon is not enough to repel the Russian occupiers. Ukraine is fighting the biggest country, why are they giving so little weapons? Yes, the Russians are suffering huge losses, but FPV drones from donations have changed the course of the war in close asymmetric battles on the side of Ukraine. If the allies had given enough weapons, the soldiers would not have run away from the army.
@@danikworld26how does this concern Europe and murica, I thought it's btn Ukraine n Russia n u Nato bots are arguing that Russia is weak n can't even Ukraine, then at same time u want Europe n America to empower Ukraine, imagine if Russia had intervened in Iraq or Afghanistan by Arming them against America
Forcing men to fight & die for freedom, is the opposite of freedom. - Here In Canada we have hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian women & men who have left. They’re all just living & enjoying their lives. - hoping these men can escape.
@@sabin97 No the implication is Russia ran out of missels and ammo that is why they use almost only iranian made drones and only North-Korean made shells.
the fact that Europe and the US are giving weapons by the teaspoon is not enough to repel the Russian occupiers. Ukraine is fighting the biggest country, why are they giving so little weapons? Yes, the Russians are suffering huge losses, but FPV drones from donations have changed the course of the war in close asymmetric battles on the side of Ukraine. If the allies had given enough weapons, the soldiers would not have run away from the army.
@@danikworld26they are actually being flooded with weapons, more than any one in history.... they are just losing men left and right. Now they don't have trained and experience soldiers to operate those weapons. There were many cases of multiple high ranking military bureaucrats embezzling and selling of the funds so they could take 21 year old model on a private yacht.
The problem is there's no reason it will end ina negotiation. If outin sees his enemy getting ready to lay down their arms and Trump signals that he won't support Ukraine then Putin will just press on to maximise his negotiation position and even achieve maximalist aims
@@warbler1984 Very correct! And you will have a chance that Trump keeps supporting them or even give them more. Because he doesn't want Russia to win. A win for Russia is a win for all nations who want to fight a territorial war.
The problem with negotiations is that they will be on Russian terms. Pretty much unconditional surrender since Zelensky insists on his fantasy Peace Plan.
@@jesusaguilar4585 so why don t you go to war? in my perspective is better to be alive, even if i should change my passport to a russian one than be killed in an useless war, why should I fight in a lost war? and what is the diference betwen be a ukrain citzen or a russian?
@@tatuncanara5934 Don't get the wrong idea. I'm not arguing for the slaughter to continue since I've been opposed to this SMO/War from the very beginning and believed that the negotiations in 2022 in Turkiye was going to end it until Zelensky chose war instead. What I'm say is that at this point, the only way this war ends is unconditional surrender when you consider that American involvement is clear with the guidance and targeting assistance for ATACAMS. There's nothing of leverage that Zelensky has to negotiate with Russia and if it was Kursk, that's methodically being taken back. I say methodically because Zelensky wants to hold Kursk for negotiations and since he's sending troops as if on a conveyor belt, Russia is simply taking it's time destroying valuable war material and soldiers. There's no rush to take back Kursk. We both agree, the Ukrainian soldiers lives need to be saved either by surrender or desertion.
@@DeusVult1190 More likely for US domination. Ukraine is being destroyed more and more every day, and more and more soldiers are dying. Do Ukrainians really need this? Is this what they want?
It is praiseworthy to be brave and fearless, my son, but sometimes it is better to be a coward. We often stand in the compound of a coward to point at the ruins where a brave man used to live. The man who has never submitted to anything will soon submit to the burial mat. -Chinua Achebe,
Forcing people to fight so politicians can enjoy your tax money is crazy.let the politicians and their children go fight because the are the ones who benefit
@@Sin3xtreme 1. Its not a war its a "SMO" 2. Putin said he was going to remove the government of Ukraine : you can not do that without taking Kyiv Putin said he was going to demilitarize Ukraine : you need to take all of Ukraine including Kyiv Putin said he was going to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO and the EU : you need to take all of Ukraine especially after you killed so manny civilians
In Germany alone, there are many Ukrainian men. I do not have an exact number, but everyone has seen them. I am not accusing anyone of anything. I feel sorry for all of them.
@@verawalking Official numbers ! Including the sons of Klitschko and Melnik. And in my hometown Vienna there are more than 10.000. Only the poor get sacrificed at the frontlines.
NO, help defend Ukr, fight FOR UKRAINE to stop this Russian sadistic aggression and genocide!!!!!!! already 150K documented (per UN standards) cases of war crimes, including mass rape and sexual torture. Half of the large city of Kherson was tortured in its year of occupation! WAKE UP TO russian eurasian rape, torture and maiming of Ukrainians!
Hey you’re not suppose to report real news like Ukrainian desertions, you’re suppose to tell us that Ukrainian is winning and winning BIG! Stick to the script DW! 🤷♂️
Do you make rules for the media? Why do you foolishly assume that news about desertion is news about Ukraine losing? Answer: Because in a dictatorship that type of news is illegal.
The fact that Europe and the US are giving weapons by the teaspoon is not enough to repel the Russian occupiers. Ukraine is defending itself against the world's largest country, although its population is smaller. Why are they giving so little weapons? Yes, the Russians are suffering huge losses, but the FPV drones from the donations have changed the course of the war in close asymmetrical battles on the Ukrainian side. If the allies had given enough weapons, the soldiers would not have fled the army.
@danikworld26 I would have to disagree. Ukraine is being used as the sacrificial lamb for a much bigger plan. Firstly money laundering for the UN to build up its coffers for the next 4 years as Trump will definitely defund them. Why are countries sending them billions and not weapons ? Secondly, they going to be used to start the mother of all wars so Trump doesn't become president. I really hope I'm wrong.
Truthfully if your talking about combat, they don't even pass Boot Camp Standards most of them, they just are passed on. Lower the standard across the board.
Who is WE?? You mean Russia-sympathizers? How do you figure Ukraine could have defended itself (after 2014) when VIktor Yanukoych stole ALL THE MONEY from their National Treasury?
They should make a report on the young Ukrainian men who left their country the last 3 years. In Germany alone more than 250.000 ! In my home -City Vienna more than 10.000 ! Z wants to pull NATO in this war bc his better-off men prefer a nice life in the West, and the poor, who are the only that get conscripted to the frontlines don't want either anymore
I'm a volunteer here in Ukraine from the first day of war. I've sent my GF to Germany and I went to help with my van. After two years over 70% of my friends received documents for divorce. My GF cheated and abandoned me. Why shall I or my friends continue if we don't have a family left to fight for?
@@chancergordy It's a very strange logic. This isn't about Putin; it's about the truth of what's happening in Ukraine. Bureaucracy and the system, in general, are flourishing, but people don't want to die. Meanwhile, the criminal government refuses to conduct reforms, reduce or optimize spending, or establish a professional, paid, and contract-based army. Instead, they resort to archaic methods, forcibly conscripting people and sending them to the front line. This is fascism. Your beloved Putin, by the way, pays money to recruit and conscript fighters. Zelensky, on the other hand, could do the same, but he is incompetent and senseless, merely playing a role.
@@VolodymyrPankov This entire conflict is a giant money laundering scheme for oligarchs. Certainly western oligarchs, but probably Russian and Ukrainian ones too. Countless people dying for nothing other than making the elites more money.
Poor Ukrainian men, they don't have a choice, cannot leave the country and forced to fight a war while all other countries are just watching for three years. It's that something we have to do? To fight like that? I could have also voted with my feet. The Armenian people gave up their land in Nagorno-Karabakh, but they save their people from dying from the conflicts of fighting: not the worst alternative.
@@Los21189When you brethren of the home nation, Armenia refused to come to the rescue of Armenians in Nagorno Karabak, there was no point in fighting anymore.
The difference is that Russia pays volunteers with military experience large amounts of money, while Ukraine is drafting inexperienced men, with low pay, and without providing adequate training or the option of alternative service. This is one of the reasons why Russia is not using conscripts in the war.
@@arcticfoxsa Not that this has anything to do with my original comment, but Ukrainian casualties are probably about the same. And also Ukraine recruits prisoners. But as you imply, not in your reality.
@@arcticfoxsa you are ill-informed. it's over 700 MILLION. over 500 million were by the ghost of kiev alone. and his cousin the phantom of bakhmut took care of all the armoured vehicles.
I am ukrainian, I totally agree. It is civil war where soviet people fight each other. Also there are western intervents like in our civil war 1918-1922.
No, they're just dying. And sometimes things become too obvious that even they can't lie because everyone can already tell what is happening. Kinda like what happened with Trump getting elected. The media shoved BS and lies down everyone's throat all throughout the election, but most American's didn't buy it and elected Trump anyway.
Change the rules and send women too. Why force only men to fight a war they never agreed to start? Just surrender at the front line, is a better solution to this, if forced to fight.
This has been going on for a while now. Ukraine hasn't been rotating troops in and out every few months because drafting another round of Ukrainian men for mobilization is extremely frowned upon.
Ukraine may look small on a map but it is not only a few kids wide. People have different mind sets and it’s not all the same story. Hence why some still do volunteer
Phil Gayle is the only valuable DW´s news presenter, he asks what the rest of the news doesn´t dare to ask, and says what our "leaders" doesn´t want us to know. good job Phil
So, my Ukrainian friend said there are two problems. First, the Ukrainian armed forces recruits people and gives them the option to be logistics, drone operator, IT or whatever, but people are ( according to him ) then being given a gun and sent to the front line. Secondly, according to him, the government is listing people as MIA rather than KIA to avoid compensating the family. And the family has to pay money to get the body of their loved one back. This is all according to a Ukrainian I work with.
In the meantime big queue and wating list to join Russian army. Best paid solders in the world. Even Ukrainians surrender and joining against Zelensky regime.
When DW cannot hold back the truth, you know the situation is 10x worse.
Yea, what happened to Ukraine is winning? They kept saying that Russian forces are depleted, ill equipped, and yet, apparently the Ukrainian forces have a problem with deserters.
You are sooooo right with this statement.....
@@eufrosniad994 Russian forces are indeed depleted and ill equipped. But less so than Ukrainian forces.
Based on what evidence? Russia has another country fighting it's war for them. Somehow this is some deception that dudes with no Fs left to give decide to call it quits?
@@eufrosniad994 Yeah what happened with the tens of thousands of North Korean soldiers needed to come in and fight.
Fight in a war, or go to jail...jail sounds safer.
The poor guy whos wife filed for a divorce while he's away at war... that would be it for me too. Like there he is fighting to protect his family, and they abandon him.
Men need to have something to fight for, and if they really have no friends or family, then why would they risk their lives to fight for anything?
"he is fighting to protect his family" 😂 Look at Melitopol or other places which did not have Azov "defenders" in it.
So sad😢
Get rid of no-fault divorce laws.
Most likely she have fun with younger men that not drafted yet or another deserted.
But from wife's perspective if husband is at war for 3 years and would probably be there for several more, does it even count as marriage?..
Looks like the judge is eating well.
hahaha
Too well
what means that? i am not familiarized with gae slang
It can be health issues too.
lol under rated comment here
Even a mainstream media is admitting this ! Now imagine how bad it is really 💀
mainstream media, u mean rather, war-instigating media...
For the past 2-3 years we were told Ukraine was winning, and suddenly now this.
The main thing is to keep an open mind
@@DC-qn4wz Sounds like you haven't been listened to any news lol
@@DC-qn4wz those who were informed from different sources we knew the situation. Those who only consume western media were completely delusional
If they have the best western game changer weapons and 1500 Russian soldiers are dying a day according to western media then why they're deserting.
Lies all over the place!
they know it's a lost cause
@stevebrockwell-c6e it's very sad.
Because the Ukraine fights to uphold western values that is why they voted to show compassion
Truth is the first casualty in war.
Because people don’t want to die for Boris Johnson
Boris is leading the charge. He spoke with such conviction. I am sure he is on the frontlines.
@@Twain32
He's not but ought to be
@@Twain32😂😂
because people dont want to die for Blackrock profits
this isn't Boris
No one should ever be put in this position in their life. Men at the top causing war would never want to actually ‘fight’ themselves.
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lol: yet Zelensky stayed, defiantly saying he didn't need a ride out, just ammunition!
He stayed in hole being protected by the full army. Not at all the same as Frontlines
@@CGolf-o1vtypical elite children
@@18_rabbitZelenski is a puppet. He has no sovereign thought in his head, let alone action. The Banderite SS has the people of Ukraine in a deathchoke and are forcing them into extermination by fighting the war for NATO goals.
So women are compfortably in their offices sending men back to front, weren't we equal?
Is the powerful, independent woman though?
I've seen plenty of armless and legless ladies, former veterans. It's tragic all around.
😂😂😂
@@mnemonija liar
@@Enigma96969 no, man, there are documentaries and report stories on UA-cam about rehab centers in Ukraine for wounded soldiers. It's a hard watch. There were ladies, too.
30,000 is just the number of deserters they captured, so imagine how many more who deserted and they don't know about
"they don't know about?" The Ukrainian army knows when their units aren't showing up. If you have a captain responsible for 100 men and he counts 90 of them, he has to account for the other 10. Either they were KIA, WIA, or they deserted. They know darn well how many people are showing up in the hospitals, morgues, and who's just not showing up. If there's an uncertainty in that number it is because the Ukraininan Ministry of Defense lies to make the problem look less terrible than it really is, just like they've lied about everything else during this war.
@@kma3647 how do you know if someone is KIA, MIA or deserted if there is no evidence except they're not there anymore? They don't.
I know some people who went to Western Ukraine to live in the mountains
@@kma3647 Not all deserters are soldiers, a lot of Ukrainians who deserted to Romania weren't even soldiers. Just Last year the Ukrainian government captured 20,000 civilians trying to flee the border.
Deserting because they don't wanna die for BlackRock
They don't want to die for Putin and his wet dream.
Exactly. This entire war is a giant slush fund for the elite.
Exactly
Beyond that they don’t want to die for territory that is mostly full of ethnic Russians who aren’t loyal to Kiev to begin with. This could have all been avoided with a national divorce after the revolution.
Underrated comment here. The Right of determination under the UN Charter...
This is so heartbreaking and painful when you put yourself in their shoes.
Problem is, once you get drafted there's no way to get out. That's basically a death sentence
Yes for Russians..
@@mirkoritter1976 Russia isn't drafting or conscripting since Russians are voluntarily joining the military at an average rate of 3,000 a week.
@@jesusaguilar4585 russia has a mandatory draft and has used those draftees in Kursk.
Russia pays those 3k massive sums (for russian standards) to have volunteers because Putin knows a mass mobilisation would kill russias economy and is very unpopular.
@mirkoritter1976 Are you arguing that people who volunteer to join their country's military should not be given any incentive such as financial to join? Here in the US the incentives to join the military range from money for higher education, federal pension, financial incentives for home ownership, healthcare, etc.
Ukraine on the other hand offers very little and resorts to kidnapping military age men off the streets
The fact that Europe and the US are giving weapons by the teaspoon is not enough to repel the Russian occupiers. Ukraine is defending itself against the largest country in the world, although its population is smaller than Europe. Why are they giving so little weapons? Yes, the Russians are suffering huge losses, but the donated FPV drones have changed the course of the war in close asymmetrical battles on the Ukrainian side. If the allies had given enough weapons, Ukrainian soldiers would not have fled the army.
More than several ex-Ukrainian soldiers in Moldova have told me they were able
to cross the Moldovan border AFTER they paid Ukrainian Border Guards $3,000.
That's whole of Ukraine works ... only the poor get conscripted to the frontlines!
In Egypt the fee is $10,000 so Europe is cheaper, at least in Moldova.
Ukraine should just rejoin Russia like they were part of Soviet Union before.
@@tss4629They're actually alot of Ukrainian soldiers that have deserted to join the Russian army, some earlier in the war and some recently plus they also have relatives in Russia
Stop Zelensky..stop this war..
lol did Zelensky invade Ukraine?
you are delusional 😂
@day863of3dayspecialoperation check the roots of this war..check what ukrainiens they did to the russians and other minorities starting from.2014 till 2022..and then talk..if you don't know..don't talk..
No STOP Putin!!!
These poor souls.
the fact that Europe and the US are giving weapons by the teaspoon is not enough to repel the Russian occupiers. Ukraine is fighting the biggest country, why are they giving so little weapons? Yes, the Russians are suffering huge losses, but FPV drones from donations have changed the course of the war in close asymmetric battles on the side of Ukraine. If the allies had given enough weapons, the soldiers would not have run away from the army.
@@danikworld26😂😂😂😂
@@danikworld26 copium is real😂😂😂
Just go to Russian side😢
@@danikworld26they only have 2 teaspoon left they can't give more unless you pay more tax😂😂😂😂
They are deserting because they know this is BS
And russia ?😂😂😂...
@@Howiex-is8gqThis video isn't about Russia.
@@Howiex-is8gqwell russia is winning🤷🏻♂️
Complete waste of time to fight back when your country gets invaded .
Briain ,Europe and Russia would belong to Germany with that thinking .
Finland and Afghanistan would belong to Russia with that thinking.
Canada 1812 would be part of the USA with that thinking .
1937 China would belong to Japan with that thinking .
France would still own Vietnam with that thinking .
Southern Ireland would be part of Britain with that thinking .
Japan would own The Philippines with that thinking
You sound like you would not be much help if your county gets invaded .
@@Crashed131963 No one said it is a complete waste of time to fight back in a war. What most people think is that the war was avoidable by Ukraine choosing to be neutral instead of joining NATO and granting autonomy and language rights to the people of Donbas.
I thought Ukraine is winning on all fronts, what is happening DW?
70% of ucranian women who go out of Ucraine, left their husbands for another man.
Source: trust me bro
The most easy women to score
@@emilturangi7145 Ukrostat - is it good enough for you?
@yelenashishkina8804 I rather live in Ukraine than in Putin's Zalupa Federation
It's surely happening here in Geneva, Switzerland. However, many of the women were single, even if they had a small child already (the child is often called Olga).
Are they still kidnapping men off the streets and sending them to the front line? 😂
So sad
Most irresponsible government in the world
@@wolfswinkel8906no, that would be Putin who invaded a sovereign state and has sent 10s of 1000s of his own people to their deaths.
The Russians sure are!
@@PhillipBell
We saw videos about Ukrainians doing it.
Now they're deserting the battlefield? How is Ukraine winning?
Because they dont want to win big they are so humble like paul and tyson fight
They aren't
@@nycvezz8616😂😂😂😂
No one is winning, the costs are horrendous on both sides, the Russian people just don't realise it yet but they will eventually find out.
What will Putler do when they do find out?
Mate they’ve been deserting for a while now. Even Ukrainian MP Anna Skorokhod said weeks ago that about 100k+ have deserted. The telgram groups are full of vids of ukrainian citizens being dragged from the streets into vans and sent to fight. Russia is still holding the east that they wanted all this time and are still making gains. Why do you think the US and EU are sending them more missiles and equipment now? Even violating the Ottawa Agreement. They all know that once Trump is in office and cuts aid, it’s over and zelenskoy will have no choice but to cede those eastern territories. These are the cold hard facts that NATO bots refuse to acknowledge. They blindly regurgitate narratives from taxpayer-funded news channels without ever taking the time to verify sources, compare different reports, identify biases, and make well-informed decisions based on a thorough analysis of all sides.
No government should have the power to force any humans to fight in a war.
two thirds of Americans that participated or fought in World War 2 were drafted.
especially in ruSSia.
@@JanKowalyk-gg2irEspecially in both.
If you don’t defend, the country will be taken over by Russia, then they’ll be mobilized to move west, deeper into Europe.
In theory
Conscripts that are forced to fight to protect the lives of the political class, and not the general population... Deserting sounds fine to me.
Yeah, I don't blame them one bit.
ZERO truth to that. Ever tribe has leaders. it has nothing to do with them, your land is under attack, you either fight or your don't
This is an example on why you shouldn’t join the military. The government doesn’t care about you or your family. The poor will always get screwed.
The poor have to go to the frontlines and get screwed, the better-off spend nice life in the West ! Alone in Germany more than 250.000 young Ukrainian men ...
In Correct.
I don't blame any Ukrainian soldier from surrendering or deserting because this SMO/War has been over for quite a long time and now they are only dying on the orders of NATO. You know the situation is bad when even DW has to cover the high desertion rate.
Orders of nato?????? Are you absolutely schizofrenic? How is the country supposed to be defended???
the fact that Europe and the US are giving weapons by the teaspoon is not enough to repel the Russian occupiers. Ukraine is fighting the biggest country, why are they giving so little weapons? Yes, the Russians are suffering huge losses, but FPV drones from donations have changed the course of the war in close asymmetric battles on the side of Ukraine. If the allies had given enough weapons, the soldiers would not have run away from the army.
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@@danikworld26how does this concern Europe and murica, I thought it's btn Ukraine n Russia n u Nato bots are arguing that Russia is weak n can't even Ukraine, then at same time u want Europe n America to empower Ukraine, imagine if Russia had intervened in Iraq or Afghanistan by Arming them against America
You can’t blame them- why would you fight in a US proxy war.
How about u signing up for ruzzia? Hear the sign-ups are millions of rubles now
@@CGolf-o1v how about u signing up for Ukraine ,perhaps learn to spell KLINGON!!!
With Donald Trump in charge, it’s now Europe’s proxy war
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@VinceMays Klingon muppet
You from DW and BBC and NGOs and King Colledge London , can go and fight in Ukraina . Great idea . When you ll go ?
😂😂
The Kings College analysts are the dumbest ones.
They would awol in the first hour.
NATO standards journalism must include military training !
@@DeusVult1190 fight they would awol in the first hour on the front, lol
Arrest the wife for wanting a divorce while the husband is off at war. You women are completely despicable
Amoral. Nothing new for Ukrainians.
No loyalty whatsoever
Forcing men to fight & die for freedom, is the opposite of freedom. - Here In Canada we have hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian women & men who have left. They’re all just living & enjoying their lives. - hoping these men can escape.
Fighting for American oligarchs.
@@dotmarceo well, I stand with America. - Thats totally different. Not sure where you’re from...but Im sure your leaders are way worse.
"men people" waht???
@@manmanman2000 I don’t get it.
@@manmanman2000 lol
But the BBC told us Russia was losing in all areas...just like a year ago "Russia has no artillery ammo left"...lol
That is why all russias drones are made in Iran and there shells in North Korea 😂😂😂😂😂
@@FunkySpaceLord why is that something to laugh about? Are you okay?
@@FunkySpaceLord
the implication being that the quality is awfully bad?
if so why is ukraine still losing so badly?
that was alogn time ago
@@sabin97 No the implication is Russia ran out of missels and ammo that is why they use almost only iranian made drones and only North-Korean made shells.
Going back to fight simply means going back to die🤦🏾
the fact that Europe and the US are giving weapons by the teaspoon is not enough to repel the Russian occupiers. Ukraine is fighting the biggest country, why are they giving so little weapons? Yes, the Russians are suffering huge losses, but FPV drones from donations have changed the course of the war in close asymmetric battles on the side of Ukraine. If the allies had given enough weapons, the soldiers would not have run away from the army.
@@danikworld26they are actually being flooded with weapons, more than any one in history.... they are just losing men left and right. Now they don't have trained and experience soldiers to operate those weapons. There were many cases of multiple high ranking military bureaucrats embezzling and selling of the funds so they could take 21 year old model on a private yacht.
@@danikworld26 Question are you funding them? LMBO.
@@danikworld26are they entitled?
@@danikworld26$278 billion is teaspoon?😂
If the War is going to end in a negotiation very soon. What is the point of dying towards the end 😢.
The problem is there's no reason it will end ina negotiation. If outin sees his enemy getting ready to lay down their arms and Trump signals that he won't support Ukraine then Putin will just press on to maximise his negotiation position and even achieve maximalist aims
@@warbler1984 Very correct! And you will have a chance that Trump keeps supporting them or even give them more. Because he doesn't want Russia to win. A win for Russia is a win for all nations who want to fight a territorial war.
The problem with negotiations is that they will be on Russian terms. Pretty much unconditional surrender since Zelensky insists on his fantasy Peace Plan.
@@jesusaguilar4585 so why don t you go to war? in my perspective is better to be alive, even if i should change my passport to a russian one than be killed in an useless war, why should I fight in a lost war? and what is the diference betwen be a ukrain citzen or a russian?
@@tatuncanara5934 Don't get the wrong idea. I'm not arguing for the slaughter to continue since I've been opposed to this SMO/War from the very beginning and believed that the negotiations in 2022 in Turkiye was going to end it until Zelensky chose war instead. What I'm say is that at this point, the only way this war ends is unconditional surrender when you consider that American involvement is clear with the guidance and targeting assistance for ATACAMS.
There's nothing of leverage that Zelensky has to negotiate with Russia and if it was Kursk, that's methodically being taken back. I say methodically because Zelensky wants to hold Kursk for negotiations and since he's sending troops as if on a conveyor belt, Russia is simply taking it's time destroying valuable war material and soldiers. There's no rush to take back Kursk.
We both agree, the Ukrainian soldiers lives need to be saved either by surrender or desertion.
This is a case where you keep fighting till you drop, no tour of duty, and no going back home after six months. These guys have had enough.
This is probably the best point made in the comment box, most of everyone else are simply COWARDS. but you touched on the main points
We have a saying where I am from which is : " let a thousand men say you are a coward, and don't let them say you may rest in peace! "
France? I kid, I kid. Seriously, I kid.
Awesome saying ! Where are you from ? You belong to a smart nation.
It's easy to say that from behind a keyboard. So have you decided to go and fight then for Ukraine?
@@DeusVult1190 More likely for US domination. Ukraine is being destroyed more and more every day, and more and more soldiers are dying. Do Ukrainians really need this? Is this what they want?
It is praiseworthy to be brave and fearless, my son, but sometimes it is better to be a coward. We often stand in the compound of a coward to point at the ruins where a brave man used to live. The man who has never submitted to anything will soon submit to the burial mat.
-Chinua Achebe,
Forcing people to fight so politicians can enjoy your tax money is crazy.let the politicians and their children go fight because the are the ones who benefit
Many of them do. These aren't arguments, just cowards speaking. Everyone has a vested interest in their country when it is attacked.
But But DW you have been telling me Ukraine is winning 😂😂😂😂😂
When?
Ukraine already won when they stopped Vladimir Putin from stealing there country in 3 days 😂😂😂
Truth is the first casualty in war.
use your logic guys.. even DW cant hold this information anymore, the ukraine soldier is dissaray right now... 😂😂😂
That sentence reads as if it were written by a
sarcastic teen that is not exactly news savvy!
You can't blame 30.000 ukro deserters...they face shovels every day
30000 ukro deserters is a joke, ruski loosing such a number of people every two weaks.
@@RZakelis What else your tv told you?
@@RZakelis parrot
@@milnjfasgasg466 Solovyov and Skabeyeva told me this on TV. Deferently from you I am fluent in Russian :)
@@milnjfasgasg466 Solovyov and Skabeyeva told me this on TV. Deferently from you I am fluent in Russian :)
It's war, sometimes you lose. Time to stop the unnecessary loss
Zelenski butuh perang untuk terus berkuasa. Damai hanya akan menghancurkan karier badutnya.
true
Ukraine is toast. These guys can smell it.
Russia is doing fine and almost lost nothing the last 1000 days 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@FunkySpaceLordThen if victory is at hand for Ukraine, why are you still typing away on your keyboard and not fighting in Ukraine?
@@DeusVult1190 Ukraine already won when they stopped Putin from taking Kyiv Russia is a superpower no more!
@@FunkySpaceLord you realize kyiv was never the target, perhaps read the art of war
@@Sin3xtreme 1. Its not a war its a "SMO"
2. Putin said he was going to remove the government of Ukraine : you can not do that without taking Kyiv
Putin said he was going to demilitarize Ukraine : you need to take all of Ukraine including Kyiv
Putin said he was going to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO and the EU : you need to take all of Ukraine especially after you killed so manny civilians
In Germany alone, there are many Ukrainian men. I do not have an exact number, but everyone has seen them. I am not accusing anyone of anything. I feel sorry for all of them.
More than 250.000 !
@eddastrohmayer251 👀
@@verawalking Official numbers ! Including the sons of Klitschko and Melnik.
And in my hometown Vienna there are more than 10.000.
Only the poor get sacrificed at the frontlines.
@eddastrohmayer251 Das war leider immer so gewesen.
Schrecklich.
poor ones, mostly from rural areas are in trenches, feel sorry for them💔
I would rather be in jail than in losing frontine
I can completely understand them! His "I lived a little" comment was really deep!
While the women leave with no consequences. How is this not oppression?
I see alot of women in comments all the time that support prolonging the war.They want men to continue to fight and die. The nerve of women😡
Why don’t they send women to the front…..equal right unless they don’t favor …..
Stop the war
NO, help defend Ukr, fight FOR UKRAINE to stop this Russian sadistic aggression and genocide!!!!!!! already 150K documented (per UN standards) cases of war crimes, including mass rape and sexual torture. Half of the large city of Kherson was tortured in its year of occupation! WAKE UP TO russian eurasian rape, torture and maiming of Ukrainians!
Who needs a lawyer when your country is under attack why isnt she on the frontline? ukraine can use her on the frontline
Hey you’re not suppose to report real news like Ukrainian desertions, you’re suppose to tell us that Ukrainian is winning and winning BIG! Stick to the script DW! 🤷♂️
Do you make rules for the media? Why do you foolishly assume that news about desertion
is news about Ukraine losing? Answer: Because in a dictatorship that type of news is illegal.
LOL
Amd Starmer decides to get involved. With no army, how many people are going to fight his war. Definitely not my sons.
He can go fight if he's so gungho.
@@georgedk1296 while cutting the defense budget by £500M at the same time. Starmer is a real piece of work
@@wolfswinkel8906 totally clueless. He's an embarrassment to the country.
The fact that Europe and the US are giving weapons by the teaspoon is not enough to repel the Russian occupiers. Ukraine is defending itself against the world's largest country, although its population is smaller. Why are they giving so little weapons? Yes, the Russians are suffering huge losses, but the FPV drones from the donations have changed the course of the war in close asymmetrical battles on the Ukrainian side. If the allies had given enough weapons, the soldiers would not have fled the army.
@danikworld26 I would have to disagree. Ukraine is being used as the sacrificial lamb for a much bigger plan. Firstly money laundering for the UN to build up its coffers for the next 4 years as Trump will definitely defund them. Why are countries sending them billions and not weapons ? Secondly, they going to be used to start the mother of all wars so Trump doesn't become president. I really hope I'm wrong.
Today everyone knows we have only one life.
Send our western media and politicans to help ukraine out, it works 2 fold, They help Ukraine, Russia helps us!
Where are all these women fighting that were screaming equally for women.
Truthfully if your talking about combat, they don't even pass Boot Camp Standards most of them, they just are passed on. Lower the standard across the board.
Meanwhile...Zelensky's wife is going to Paris & New York on Million Dollar shopping sprees...
russian bot
@VinceMays Interesting how all you know how to write is Russian bot.
That's a serious accusation. Do you have the tiniest shred of proof of your claim?
@@M85Irocthey have no other argument to say back.
lmao what a pathetic lie
Every human being born in this world has the right to Live Freely and No Govt has the right to compel its citizens to Fight in a loosimg Wat
Worth supporting, but there is a problem.
Any right that cannot be enforced, is not worth the paper, it is written on.
They can see the end.... and fled instead of dying for nothing
For sure😢😢 many are dying for no reason
Russians dying for nothing every day
@@katimboallan4605pawns on a geopolitical chess board
I'd to the same, I don't want to get uffed for Coca-Cola and other giant corporations
Was it worth all of this?
YES is always the answer. But like Robert E Lee said long ago, you got to know when it's over. When a battle is lose, or when the war is lost.
The Ukrainian soldiers that dessert rather than fight for zelenskis ego are very smart .
Why are we funding people who don’t even wanna defend themselves
They want to defend, but not to be wasted. Feel the difference
They just want to live in peace, the April 2022 deal would've helped them do just that but Boris Johnson and Beglensky had "better plans".
@wolfswinkel8906 the April 2022 was a receipe for Buch for 40 million
Who is WE?? You mean Russia-sympathizers? How do you figure Ukraine could have defended
itself (after 2014) when VIktor Yanukoych stole ALL THE MONEY from their National Treasury?
They should make a report on the young Ukrainian men who left their country the last 3 years. In Germany alone more than 250.000 ! In my home -City Vienna more than 10.000 !
Z wants to pull NATO in this war bc his better-off men prefer a nice life in the West, and the poor, who are the only that get conscripted to the frontlines don't want either anymore
Why fight a war to the benefit of rich people? Ask yourself who benefits from this war? 😂😂😂
Nobody wants to fight a loosing war!!
Ukrainian government should respect their soldiers
I am ukrainian. For our government people are resource, cattle.
The judge refused to protect a soul by releasing him to go and die. I would rather be in jail than go to the frontline to die
she did give him a chance..... he's got 72 hrs to leave Ukraine!!!
I'm a volunteer here in Ukraine from the first day of war. I've sent my GF to Germany and I went to help with my van. After two years over 70% of my friends received documents for divorce. My GF cheated and abandoned me. Why shall I or my friends continue if we don't have a family left to fight for?
Türkiyeden mi gittin?
Ukraine is struggling for more men?? Then they should send Zelensky, Budanov, Syrskyi, & Zaluzhny out there ASAP & see how they like it!!!
Just as they should send Putin. See, it works both ways. At least Zelenskyy didn't run, Putler ran like a frightened little girl.
@@chancergordy It's a very strange logic. This isn't about Putin; it's about the truth of what's happening in Ukraine. Bureaucracy and the system, in general, are flourishing, but people don't want to die. Meanwhile, the criminal government refuses to conduct reforms, reduce or optimize spending, or establish a professional, paid, and contract-based army. Instead, they resort to archaic methods, forcibly conscripting people and sending them to the front line. This is fascism.
Your beloved Putin, by the way, pays money to recruit and conscript fighters.
Zelensky, on the other hand, could do the same, but he is incompetent and senseless, merely playing a role.
@@VolodymyrPankov This entire conflict is a giant money laundering scheme for oligarchs. Certainly western oligarchs, but probably Russian and Ukrainian ones too. Countless people dying for nothing other than making the elites more money.
The USA is paying the Ukraine billions of American dollars to fight the its war against Russia. This is an American war. Almost $US300 billion.
Zaluzhny long gone
no one wants to fight some millionaires war
Ukrainian women are fleeing in Europe in comfort and their men are dying on frontline - what a sad thing to see tnh
Imagine getting forcibly conscripted for the ruling class's war under threat of violence while women just go partying elsewhere in Europe 😂
Just listen Zelensky, he knows everything.
Poor Ukrainian men, they don't have a choice, cannot leave the country and forced to fight a war while all other countries are just watching for three years. It's that something we have to do? To fight like that? I could have also voted with my feet. The Armenian people gave up their land in Nagorno-Karabakh, but they save their people from dying from the conflicts of fighting: not the worst alternative.
Coward
That is too bad and very sad... Bcz those western puppets don't care about the lives of this poor innocent people
@@Los21189When you brethren of the home nation, Armenia refused to come to the rescue of Armenians in Nagorno Karabak, there was no point in fighting anymore.
Nobody asks Ukrainians. They are simply thrown under the Russian skating rink to please the West.
@Los211 Then if you're so brave from behind your keyboard, then why aren't you fighting in Ukraine?
People don't want to die in a war that is lost.
The difference is that Russia pays volunteers with military experience large amounts of money, while Ukraine is drafting inexperienced men, with low pay, and without providing adequate training or the option of alternative service. This is one of the reasons why Russia is not using conscripts in the war.
Russia: 700k causalities and counting. And don't forget the murderers and rapists they pulled out of prison. You live in a very different reality.
@@arcticfoxsa Not that this has anything to do with my original comment, but Ukrainian casualties are probably about the same. And also Ukraine recruits prisoners. But as you imply, not in your reality.
@@arcticfoxsa😂 west math.
@@arcticfoxsa
you are ill-informed.
it's over 700 MILLION.
over 500 million were by the ghost of kiev alone.
and his cousin the phantom of bakhmut took care of all the armoured vehicles.
@@arcticfoxsaА что не 7 миллионов? Бросай нюхать кокаин.
Using them as canon folders..I thought Russians were doing it, not Ukrainians
Zelensky being tough leader in his Tshirt 😂
he is visiting the front regularly while putler sits in his bonker lmao
Stop that war!
The Ukraine war has a strong component of a civil war…. Why don’t you talk about it?
In what universe is this a civil war?
@ I said it has a strong component of a civil war…. A big portion of the population don’t want to be part of Ukraine
@@arcticfoxsa Ukraine
Russians have invaded Ukraine. Everything else is in your mind
I am ukrainian, I totally agree. It is civil war where soviet people fight each other. Also there are western intervents like in our civil war 1918-1922.
Wait a sec…. ‘Is the western media waking up?????
They preparing us to go in ourselves.
Nah. Just brocken watch.
No, they're just dying. And sometimes things become too obvious that even they can't lie because everyone can already tell what is happening. Kinda like what happened with Trump getting elected. The media shoved BS and lies down everyone's throat all throughout the election, but most American's didn't buy it and elected Trump anyway.
Send the judge to the frontline. She sounds very convinced that this is the right thing to do
It’s understandable, they’re trying to save their lives. You can’t blame someone for such a reasonable priority
It is not "understandable", this is the "survival instinct". An instinct is archaic and not rational.
At last some sensible, caring, people centric factual news by DW. Thanks.
Да. И сейчас завоевывает большие территории России. Что делает
Путин? Он плачет Ким Чен Ыну, как ребенок плачет по своей маме.
Change the rules and send women too. Why force only men to fight a war they never agreed to start? Just surrender at the front line, is a better solution to this, if forced to fight.
This has been going on for a while now. Ukraine hasn't been rotating troops in and out every few months because drafting another round of Ukrainian men for mobilization is extremely frowned upon.
Some people just want to live, if you cant understand that you must be a sociopath
We are ruled by sociopaths... I thought it was pretty obvious for everyone...
They told us
1. PooTeen in desperation
2. 2k Ruxia soldiers killed daily
3. 1 : 5 casualties UA : RUAF
4.
5.
So all lie...
Ukraine may look small on a map but it is not only a few kids wide.
People have different mind sets and it’s not all the same story. Hence why some still do volunteer
Oh I thought they were winning? Must feel bad to not want to fight and protect your family.
Thank you America
Soldiers win battles but factories win wars, Russia has the arms factories and resources to stretch Ukraine upto the last man standing.
I rather die in prison than die in thé war
Phil Gayle is the only valuable DW´s news presenter, he asks what the rest of the news doesn´t dare to ask, and says what our "leaders" doesn´t want us to know. good job Phil
where's the equality?
send women too
It's not just desetion..also casuatles
It’s because they actually know there’re fighting against their country
feel sorry for the dude with back pains whose wife was leaving him while he was on the frontlines
Ukraine is winning😂
So, my Ukrainian friend said there are two problems. First, the Ukrainian armed forces recruits people and gives them the option to be logistics, drone operator, IT or whatever, but people are ( according to him ) then being given a gun and sent to the front line. Secondly, according to him, the government is listing people as MIA rather than KIA to avoid compensating the family. And the family has to pay money to get the body of their loved one back. This is all according to a Ukrainian I work with.
All of that death on both sides for money and the egos of the few on top who stay safe at home😈
Zeleski treats his troops like an expendable piece of trash....this war needs to end.,.all these young men are dying for Natos ambitions
Germany loves Russia.
lol no
@ yes they do. We must pay attention to the little things and it is abundantly clear that Germany loves Russia.
Truth is unfolding
Все политики их назначили крайними . Именно те кого реально жалко .
Они платили налоги что бы власть их защищала , власть защищается ими .
Разница в том, что украинское пушечное мясо умирает за интересы короля Карла, Джорджа Сороса, корпорации Blackrock и тому подобных
"They paid taxes so that the authorities would protect them, the authorities are protected by them."
This sentence is a masterpiece. 👍
Imagine trying to explain to the brave men and women you abandoned why you left.
The cold weather isn't helping moral either
In the meantime big queue and wating list to join Russian army. Best paid solders in the world. Even Ukrainians surrender and joining against Zelensky regime.