Thanks to SnowWarning for pointing this minor correction out! It is likely that the Edain met some of the Dark Elves, the Avari, in the east before they came west! Thanks!
I really appreciated your pondering on the Easterlings of the First Age (FAE). In the Silmarillion (not sure if at the beginning of the Akallabêth or in the final part of the book) it is mentioned that some of these became the kings of the wild men of (presumably Western) Middle-Earth after the War of Wrath. Considering how much of a barrier the Misty Mountains proved to be in the westwards migration movements of Elves and Men, I surmise these FAE had common ancestors with the Haladins who split off earlier and the Dunlendings who appeared later. By the way, it's so weird that they are described to have both yellow-ish and dark skin complexion 😅 Their physical description with regards to arm length and facial features seems a bit disrespectful
“It is in Men that we must place our hope.” Not as wise or beautiful as the elves and not as sturdy as the dwarves, but the world of men started strong and with hope. I think this is why men and hobbits share ancestry, for they endure life and hardships with mortality more severely then the other races. It’s reassuring that in my dull day to day life there is a history of people who strove to survive and make life greater than it was. We all can’t be kings or great lords, but we can live just as richly because of those who came before.
The Men of Bree and thereabouts were definitely "Middle Men" because when the Numenoreans came back to Eriador first they were amazed at the similarities of their languages. Adunaic seems to be developed from the language of the House of Beor. And the Common Speech of Middle Earth was also descended from Adunaic and the Men of Bree/Eriador.
In the case of Bree, they were more closely related to the Dunlendings, do to their close relations with the dúnedain, they were also consider middle man
Also bear in mind that one of the ancestral languages of Adunaic was Taliska, the language of the House of Beor. What vocabulary we have seems to point to it being a bit different from what became Adunaic, sharing a few elements, and much of the later added vocabulary of Adunaic also having a mostly Quenya influence. Westron itself seems like a further evolution of Adunaic (e.g. uses a "v" instead of an Adunaic "w"), mixed with some separately further evolved languages of Middle-earth, both related (languages of Edain remnants who did not go to Númenor, Dunleding and Bree-men who shared some cultural and linguistic ancestry) and unrelated or more distantly related (the Northmen languages, including that of Dale and Rohan, some loanwords from the original hobbit language, or languages of long-vanished peoples and tribes).
Still find it funny that Caranthir's one moment of kindness was praising Haleth and her kins bravery in battle. Caranthir had an even worse temper than his father and even he respected the House of Haleth.
Great video! :) A minor correction, Finrod was not the first elf the House of Beor met - the Men had met Avari elves in the east who had taught the Edain basic crafts of civilization and influenced their language. The Edain were going west to seek the light that their oldest ancestors had seen in the west upon their Awakening (the sun first came from Valinor, where it was created, before it changed direction). The Avari had rejected living with the Valar and didn't know or care much about them and the West, so upon meeting Finrod (a mighty Light-elf that Men might well mistake for a god at first, with his shining eyes and overwhelmingly beautiful music) the Edain learned not only more advanced crafts, but learned about Valinor and the origin of the light which they had been seeking on their centuries-long journey. And since the Noldor were the Elves most into historical recordkeeping, them meeting Men marks the beginning of truly recorded mannish history.
Your channel and you, Yoystan are gift to Arda, undoubtedly the best. N the thing is your videos n narration is very down to earth n simplistic n yet so majestic and elegant and capture the essence of Tolkiens works. We can see your dedication to what all this represents and soo grateful to be able to receive such divine works. I can’t thank you enough for all that you do n dedication, hard work & inspiration & spiritual mastery, responsibility . 💜💜💜💜💜. Sending you lots of love and blessings. ♥️♥️♥️ please keep doing what you do n get better n better. 💜💜💜💜
I must admit I didnt know much about this tophic so thank you for this. Yoystan you should do live streams more often, the last one was so fun and you should do them more often!!!!!💪💪
There is a human equivalent of elven fathers Imin, Tata and Enel. These are brothers Ermon and Elmir who were discovered by an elf called Nuin of what are presumably the Avari. It's in the "Book of Lost Tales part two" as part of tale of Gilfanon. After the death of Nuin in battle against servants of Morgoth some of these elves led by Tereg went west and aided Noldor in their battles with Morgoth and that's how Noldor heard of this story about the first humans. Sure many consider these early tales uncannonical but so many details from The Book of the Lost tales are actually frequently mentioned when analyzing stories and characters that are canon especially when there is not any alternative. Many fans are not aware of this.
Oh Mellon, that message at the end is very beautiful...We are all related to one another, that really impactful for the time we currently live in!!! Thanks for helping to explain the houses of men, from the 1st age to currently...Until Why the Elves Left Middle Earth...Marion Baggins Out!!! P.s I should be going back to my Uni today but Covid is being a Pain...Lucky I don't think I have it!!!
The One Ring RPG (1st edition in particular) used them in very interesting ways. They're one of the smaller Northmen nations and the game portrays them as friends and even occassional helpers of Radagast. I liked the art style used for their faction (illustrated by Jon Hodgson). They had a simpler and less wealthy culture that some of their neighbours, but by no means unsophisticated. Something of a halfway point between their Barding and Beorning cousins (the well-made clothing, weapons, etc. of the former, the backwoods knowledge and skills of the latter).
Maybe instead of a ranking or list of important places; ie Rivendell, Minas Tirith, Hobbiton, etc. Rather a top ten or twenty "nice", places to live a life. And a poll of subscribers. I'd be between Bree and the Brandywine river. In correspondence with Sam's Gaffer, farmer Maggot, and anyone in Longbottom about pipe weed.
One thing that may have been helpful to add (and more poignantly so with the Amazon series that seems to be taking a politically correct approach), would be a description of the men of Númenórë, who, in Tolkien's legendarium had interesting physical characteristics amongst other unique traits gifted to them. So too, while they are often depicted as having dark hair, Tolkien in contrast described them as being a fair haired, fair skinned, and light eyed people similar to the Vanyar for your elvish comparison.
You might be right concerning the Numenorians... there are actually no descriptions I could find! BUT the later Numenorians like Isildur, Anarion & Elendil are described with Dark or brown hair and grey eyes! As are the Dunedain of the Third age, like Aragorn, Faramir & Boromir for example! This is, what I believe, the driving factor
@@michelmorio8026 What books are you using for your descriptions of men of Númenor? If (like the Amazon series should be) you are rightly taking your information from accounts of the 2nd Age regarding their physical traits, you'll find most of this information within The Unfinished Tales. :) You may find this discussion to be interesting: www.reddit.com/r/LOTR_on_Prime/comments/dim9ak/fyi_most_n%C3%BAmen%C3%B3reans_were_pale_blond_and_blueeyed/
“...where the stars are strange.” They don’t even feature in the lore/legendarium and only mention of Harad. The Easterlings is a monolithic description. The Haradrim at least got specifics. And there are no mentions to my knowledge of an analogue to Meso-American culture. 🌏 🌎 🌍
@@ollaniuspius1211 his world building was focused on Middle Earth and his not-allegory on evil and the world. I think that’s why Robert Jordan is often spoken of as having “revealed” the world of Tolkien beginning with Eye of the World. His creatures are few in variety yet so singularly epic. His “cave troll” was a DnD Ogre. By film experience, the creatures actually lessened in epicness, Balrog to Uruk Hai, and by time of the battle of Pelennor Fields, the Witch King of Angmar on his winged fel beast notwithstanding, we got almost muppet like standard orcs led by a cranky pale orc named after the most fearsome of Balrogs, Gothmog. As far as creatures, they got less intimidating. But a fun ride, with Oliphaunts. Even the orc archers and infiltrators at Osgiliath were more intimidating.
@@madeleinenantze9133 I didn’t know Tolkien was a Trekkie! Khaaaaan!! If it gets too fusion-y, I dunno if it’s as impactful to the lore. I mean, we don’t even get any dwarf women! It’s given rise to the belief that there ARE no dwarf women! Which is completely ridiculous! That was deliberate! That was deliberate!
From how Tolkien described it, the Beornings were part of the Northmen, and most of them would be relatives of the Woodmen and Men of Dale, but a very small minority of the Beornings would be skinchangers rather than ordinary (non-shapeshifting) Men. So, Beorn is a Beorning (they seem to be named in his honour), but he is also a skinchanger. Maybe his son is as well, who knows. But the vast majority of Beornings are normal humans, with no skinchanger abilities.
I remember running a MERP's game set in the far east as a group helping the people survive and resist against the forces of Mordor and the dominion of Sauron (I also had the Blue Wizards as part of the resistance). One arc took them into Harad and Far Harad to spread resistance :) was a fun campaign.
Thumbnail is from one of my favourite games of all time. Mount & Blade: Warband Which also has 2 good LOTR mods (both on steam workshop) The Last Days of the Third Age (single player, mainly strategy game) Persistent Lord of the Rings (multiplayer, RPG game) 100% recommended both
I would say that the 'men of darkness' have a lot of relation to the 'men of twilight' And when it comes down to it just like in our own world where humans all spread from a single space and adapted over time the base qualities are very much the same across all men of ME. The Easterlings and Southrons of the third age are not more prone to evil, and their fall into darkness has more to do with where they settled not any innate evil within them. Same can be said for the Elves, we don't know much about the Avari, but they clearly don't play a very big role and perhaps never fully ally with Morgoth but they never take the charge to fight the Shadow directly.
Hey MOTW, could you make a video on the following question: “Why didn’t the Valar kill Melkor instead of throwing him in the void?” If he was prophesied return, why didn’t they just kill him then?
I believe that in some odd and construed way, that you are the offspring of a line of kings, though truly you could easily be mixed from those other mythical creatures and peoples. Your majesty is immense and overwhelming, especially to us mere mortals
Hi Yoystan , always enjoy your videos. i tried to find anything on Bellakar and the south of Umbar on youtube , but the obvious search terms did not yield anything. Will you be doing a video on them?
I am mid way from reading the Silmarillion. I have to say I am a bit disappointed in the Valar. They seemed to forsake the Easterlings almost doomed them into darkness where Melkor/Morgoth essentially had a monopoly of influence among them. Heck, even the Dunedain being blesses with their own isolated realm (Numernor) would eventually succum to the dark influence of Sauron. What chance did the Easterlings have? That being said I live Tolkien the entire universe fantasy is nothing short of a masterpiece. I am truly in awe how one man could of come up with it all. So much drama, mystery, hope, glory, despair, and depth to the entire storyline.
Finally, maybe get to watch this newest video (depending on my tiny human). So grateful for everything you do. Your positivity and passion always show through and are a welcomed breath of fresh air every week ❤️ Edit: nope, watching right now is not gonna happen 😭. It's okay though, he's cute and I'm only like 98% biased as his mom lol
Hey! I am starting to read the hobbit and am waiting to read lord of the rings ( which I heard is great!) my friend point your your channel, and I am wandering where to start? Do I it’s not watch your channel until I read all the books and see them movies?
I really enjoy these. It's cool to go so in-depth of the world building Tolkien did. Is there a similar type of channel for Game of Thrones that anyone knows?
Thank you, my friend! Glad you enjoy them! For similar Game of Thrones content, I would always recommend Preston Jacobs, RedTeamReview and Alt Shift X!
@@MisterGravelrama In Deep Geek, CivilizationEx, GoT Academy, Quinn‘s ideas, Rawrist, The Order of the Green Hand! But most of them do not exclusively GoT but also lord of other franchises!
The Atani of Arda, a most enduring if flawed race. Since their awakening, the Afterborn outlasted war, plague, flood, and famine to inherit Middle Earth itself. They are nothing short of resolute and indomitable and we who crave freedom owe them much.
Who can blame men for falling for Morgoth's propaganda? From the point of view of men, elves were favored over them. The elves were immortal, they didn't get sick, they were ambidextrous & far sighted & they could go live with the gods if they wanted too. I feel slighted by Eru just writing this comment. 🤔
One of the rewards given to the Numenorians by the Valar was the freedom from sickness. Does that mean that the Valar could have done the same for all men? If so, I am even more pissed. 😡
@@raydavison4288 well, their antibodies didn‘t help against the great plague in the third age, did they? 😂 But are you sure you actually understood the gift of Eru Iluvatar to mankind? Or are you just as misinformed as the Numenorians were? The Gift of Ilúvatar is death, the inheritance of Ilúvatar's Younger Children, which allows them to go beyond the confines of Arda, this world. Though the phrase commonly refers to this type of mortality, death is actually only part of the broader Gift given to Men: it is one with their ability to operate beyond the Music of the Ainur, which "is as fate to all things else". With this Gift, Men were to fulfill the world down to the finest detail. It was said among the Elves that after they died, the fëar of Men were gathered in the Halls of Mandos, and then departed from the World for a destination unknown even to the Valar. Whereas all other beings in Arda, including the Valar themselves, were bound to the World and its fate, the Gift freed Men from this destiny, allowing them to shape their own lives as they wished. For this reason, the Elves, who must live as long as Arda exists and become burdened with its sorrows, often envy the Gift given to Men, and it is said that even the Valar shall do so as well. But like all other aspects of life in Arda, the Gift of Men became darkened by Morgoth's shadow. Men came to view death with great dread, and it became a Doom to them rather than a Gift. Ancient lore kept in memory by the Wise among Men held that Morgoth had indeed brought the Doom of mortality upon them by inducing all Men to turn from Ilúvatar and worship him instead. The fear of death, though ubiquitous in all populations of Men, reached its peak in the later years of the isle of Númenor, where even the long life given to the Númenóreans was not enough to satisfy them because of their envy of Elvish "immortality", and their wise men did all they could to try to escape death altogether. These attempts to escape the Gift were of course unsuccessful, since "the will of Eru may not be gainsaid". In the end, this desperation for immortality prompted the last King, Ar-Pharazôn, to take a great fleet to the Undying Lands in an attempt to wrest them from the Valar, falsely believing that these lands held the secret of obtaining everlasting life. But Ar-Pharazôn's hopeless quest for immortality brought its opposite to his people: Númenor was utterly destroyed, and the "Doom of Men" was visited upon all its inhabitants. However, those Men with the greatest understanding treated death as the Gift it was originally intended to be, and when their time came gladly gave themselves up to it. For example, the earlier Rulers of Númenor in the Second Age, and Aragorn in the beginning of the Fourth Age, accepted the Gift at the natural end of their lives. The gift of death is actually freedom... whereas the „immortality“ of elves & the Ainur is actually predestination and some sort of being slave/servant to it
@@michelmorio8026 By the time the plague hit, the people of Gondor has mixed with the "lesser" men of Middle Earth & were only part Numenorian. By that time Numenor was long gone & those gifts of long life & health were mostly gone. And btw, it was the Numenorian era that I was talking about. Sometimes immature people, usually teenaged boys try so hard to be wise & knowledgeable that they end up falling flat on their faces & just sound foolish.
@@raydavison4288 then you can consider yourself lucky not talking to a teenager here But let me return the favor... just responding to a single phrase, which was merely sarcasm - and not meant to be taken seriously - which immature people often don‘t get, clearly is a sign of insecurities and personal weakness! Again, I would inform myself about the gift of Eru Iluvatar before making a fool of myself in some comments and „feel offended“, „mad“ or „pissed“ because I mistook the actual meaning
Thanks for inserting your wacky views into the story of men. It is interesting that Tolkien made a point of the importance of the preservation of bloodlines and the decent of nobility in his world, and you end with the wish that all those bloodlines and descended characteristics be wiped away.
It is interesting to see your point of view of preservation and pureness, when the bloodlines & people you talk about are actually a melting pot of 2 different species and at least 6 different clans of these 2 species! Who each has distinctive but very different characteristics Remember Gandalf talking about the Dunedain kings valuing their forbearers, what they accomplished and lineages higher then their descendants and their own future... they declined due to this behaviour to the point where they weren‘t capable of rising up again... If you wanna propagandize Tolkien, please try better & harder!
Btw, he didn‘t say what you read into it... he just said remember our common roots... and after all, that we aren‘t that different! That’s far from „wiping out“ or „replacement“ which you brought up
@@michelmorio8026 Yes, when the Kings forgot to have children, their genetic lines failed, and their king ships were taken over “by LESSER MEN.” . Further, the long lived Neumanorians (sp) mixed with lesser peoples and lost their gift of long life. Elves, if they mixed with men, had to decide between the blood to follow, one way made you mortal and one way made you immortal. Tolkien made it explicit in Aragorn’s handling of the Dead, stating only a man who was a direct descendant of Isildur could be both King AND command the dead, releasing them from their Oath, AND wield Anduril. “I am isildur’s heir. Fight for me and I shall hold your oaths fulfilled.”
Thanks to SnowWarning for pointing this minor correction out! It is likely that the Edain met some of the Dark Elves, the Avari, in the east before they came west! Thanks!
I want to personally ask some questions. But where should i ask you? Please tell me. Are on discord or insta?
@@abdulraffay5088 You've got to climb the tallest mountain in middle earth. Then make a prayer to men of the west!
I really appreciated your pondering on the Easterlings of the First Age (FAE). In the Silmarillion (not sure if at the beginning of the Akallabêth or in the final part of the book) it is mentioned that some of these became the kings of the wild men of (presumably Western) Middle-Earth after the War of Wrath. Considering how much of a barrier the Misty Mountains proved to be in the westwards migration movements of Elves and Men, I surmise these FAE had common ancestors with the Haladins who split off earlier and the Dunlendings who appeared later.
By the way, it's so weird that they are described to have both yellow-ish and dark skin complexion 😅 Their physical description with regards to arm length and facial features seems a bit disrespectful
“It is in Men that we must place our hope.”
Not as wise or beautiful as the elves and not as sturdy as the dwarves, but the world of men started strong and with hope.
I think this is why men and hobbits share ancestry, for they endure life and hardships with mortality more severely then the other races.
It’s reassuring that in my dull day to day life there is a history of people who strove to survive and make life greater than it was. We all can’t be kings or great lords, but we can live just as richly because of those who came before.
For a moment I thought this was a video about Mount & Blade Warband, lol
Then I saw the tree of gondor and was like hold on
M'lord?
They have an amazing LOTR mod called "last days of third age"
I thought it was harvesting season.
Yeah, but I don't think lotr has drinking from skulls... then again, the Dunlendings exist
The Men of Bree and thereabouts were definitely "Middle Men" because when the Numenoreans came back to Eriador first they were amazed at the similarities of their languages. Adunaic seems to be developed from the language of the House of Beor. And the Common Speech of Middle Earth was also descended from Adunaic and the Men of Bree/Eriador.
In the case of Bree, they were more closely related to the Dunlendings, do to their close relations with the dúnedain, they were also consider middle man
Also bear in mind that one of the ancestral languages of Adunaic was Taliska, the language of the House of Beor. What vocabulary we have seems to point to it being a bit different from what became Adunaic, sharing a few elements, and much of the later added vocabulary of Adunaic also having a mostly Quenya influence. Westron itself seems like a further evolution of Adunaic (e.g. uses a "v" instead of an Adunaic "w"), mixed with some separately further evolved languages of Middle-earth, both related (languages of Edain remnants who did not go to Númenor, Dunleding and Bree-men who shared some cultural and linguistic ancestry) and unrelated or more distantly related (the Northmen languages, including that of Dale and Rohan, some loanwords from the original hobbit language, or languages of long-vanished peoples and tribes).
It was the language of two of the houses, but not the third.
That painting with the campfire and the lake reflecting the night sky is an incredible work of art.
Still find it funny that Caranthir's one moment of kindness was praising Haleth and her kins bravery in battle. Caranthir had an even worse temper than his father and even he respected the House of Haleth.
If you think about it we all have a Caranthir in our lives! Someone who is a jerk, and someone who is respectful to the strong.
That Mount and Blade thumbnail ❤️
I'll always love the last stand of Húrin, Huor and the Men of Hador in the Nirnaeth Arnoediad
Aure entuluva! 🙂
Agreed. I love the House of Hadot and wish we knew more about them.
Great video! :)
A minor correction, Finrod was not the first elf the House of Beor met - the Men had met Avari elves in the east who had taught the Edain basic crafts of civilization and influenced their language.
The Edain were going west to seek the light that their oldest ancestors had seen in the west upon their Awakening (the sun first came from Valinor, where it was created, before it changed direction). The Avari had rejected living with the Valar and didn't know or care much about them and the West, so upon meeting Finrod (a mighty Light-elf that Men might well mistake for a god at first, with his shining eyes and overwhelmingly beautiful music) the Edain learned not only more advanced crafts, but learned about Valinor and the origin of the light which they had been seeking on their centuries-long journey. And since the Noldor were the Elves most into historical recordkeeping, them meeting Men marks the beginning of truly recorded mannish history.
Ah great point, my friend! I’ll make that correction! Thanks!
These videos are more needed today than at any other time it seems. Stay vigilant, men of the west.
Vigilant against whom exactly?
Your channel and you, Yoystan are gift to Arda, undoubtedly the best. N the thing is your videos n narration is very down to earth n simplistic n yet so majestic and elegant and capture the essence of Tolkiens works. We can see your dedication to what all this represents and soo grateful to be able to receive such divine works. I can’t thank you enough for all that you do n dedication, hard work & inspiration & spiritual mastery, responsibility . 💜💜💜💜💜. Sending you lots of love and blessings. ♥️♥️♥️ please keep doing what you do n get better n better. 💜💜💜💜
This is gonna be a awesome listen to while I prep for work. Thanks for making my morning bearable bud!
Little words to describe enjoying some Old-Tobey and a new presentation from Men of the West.
I honestly love getting to know about this lore involving the houses of men. I find this topic very intriguing!
I must admit I didnt know much about this tophic so thank you for this. Yoystan you should do live streams more often, the last one was so fun and you should do them more often!!!!!💪💪
There is a human equivalent of elven fathers Imin, Tata and Enel. These are brothers Ermon and Elmir who were discovered by an elf called Nuin of what are presumably the Avari. It's in the "Book of Lost Tales part two" as part of tale of Gilfanon. After the death of Nuin in battle against servants of Morgoth some of these elves led by Tereg went west and aided Noldor in their battles with Morgoth and that's how Noldor heard of this story about the first humans. Sure many consider these early tales uncannonical but so many details from The Book of the Lost tales are actually frequently mentioned when analyzing stories and characters that are canon especially when there is not any alternative. Many fans are not aware of this.
I was just checking like 20 seconds ago to see if a new Yoystan video was up. And now it pops up!
Oh I’ve been waiting for this one.
Oh Mellon, that message at the end is very beautiful...We are all related to one another, that really impactful for the time we currently live in!!!
Thanks for helping to explain the houses of men, from the 1st age to currently...Until Why the Elves Left Middle Earth...Marion Baggins Out!!!
P.s I should be going back to my Uni today but Covid is being a Pain...Lucky I don't think I have it!!!
What's this precious? A new video?
You mentioned the woodmen near Greenwood/Mirkwood, I think that would be an interesting future video.
The One Ring RPG (1st edition in particular) used them in very interesting ways. They're one of the smaller Northmen nations and the game portrays them as friends and even occassional helpers of Radagast. I liked the art style used for their faction (illustrated by Jon Hodgson). They had a simpler and less wealthy culture that some of their neighbours, but by no means unsophisticated. Something of a halfway point between their Barding and Beorning cousins (the well-made clothing, weapons, etc. of the former, the backwoods knowledge and skills of the latter).
I agree with your conjecture on the Easterlings.
I see the video banner and for a second I think "what, mounts & blades?"
Silamarillion is so epic! I love the idea of it coming to life on screen but im not sure they should, they will probably ruin it
was looking for this thanks mate
Sunday so much Tolkien to watch i love it
Men of the west this means that you, me and my fellow subscribers Are iluvitars favorites!
When a humble bard graced to ride along with Yoystan of Middle Earth along came this song....
... or in other words, toss a coin to this youtube, O' Valley of comments.
Maybe instead of a ranking or list of important places; ie Rivendell, Minas Tirith, Hobbiton, etc. Rather a top ten or twenty "nice", places to live a life. And a poll of subscribers.
I'd be between Bree and the Brandywine river. In correspondence with Sam's Gaffer, farmer Maggot, and anyone in Longbottom about pipe weed.
As always, Thank You Good Sir.
One thing that may have been helpful to add (and more poignantly so with the Amazon series that seems to be taking a politically correct approach), would be a description of the men of Númenórë, who, in Tolkien's legendarium had interesting physical characteristics amongst other unique traits gifted to them. So too, while they are often depicted as having dark hair, Tolkien in contrast described them as being a fair haired, fair skinned, and light eyed people similar to the Vanyar for your elvish comparison.
You might be right concerning the Numenorians... there are actually no descriptions I could find!
BUT the later Numenorians like Isildur, Anarion & Elendil are described with Dark or brown hair and grey eyes! As are the Dunedain of the Third age, like Aragorn, Faramir & Boromir for example! This is, what I believe, the driving factor
@@michelmorio8026 What books are you using for your descriptions of men of Númenor? If (like the Amazon series should be) you are rightly taking your information from accounts of the 2nd Age regarding their physical traits, you'll find most of this information within The Unfinished Tales. :)
You may find this discussion to be interesting:
www.reddit.com/r/LOTR_on_Prime/comments/dim9ak/fyi_most_n%C3%BAmen%C3%B3reans_were_pale_blond_and_blueeyed/
I can only imagine what the Arda equivlant to the ancient Egyptians, Aztec and Chinese were like.
“...where the stars are strange.” They don’t even feature in the lore/legendarium and only mention of Harad. The Easterlings is a monolithic description. The Haradrim at least got specifics. And there are no mentions to my knowledge of an analogue to Meso-American culture. 🌏 🌎 🌍
@@genghisgalahad8465 Which is a bit if a shame; can you imagine the kind if creatures and designs Tolkien could have had?
@@ollaniuspius1211 his world building was focused on Middle Earth and his not-allegory on evil and the world. I think that’s why Robert Jordan is often spoken of as having “revealed” the world of Tolkien beginning with Eye of the World. His creatures are few in variety yet so singularly epic. His “cave troll” was a DnD Ogre. By film experience, the creatures actually lessened in epicness, Balrog to Uruk Hai, and by time of the battle of Pelennor Fields, the Witch King of Angmar on his winged fel beast notwithstanding, we got almost muppet like standard orcs led by a cranky pale orc named after the most fearsome of Balrogs, Gothmog. As far as creatures, they got less intimidating. But a fun ride, with Oliphaunts. Even the orc archers and infiltrators at Osgiliath were more intimidating.
The closest faction Tolkien made in style of the Chinese was Khand, but even then they’re based off Mongolians
@@madeleinenantze9133 I didn’t know Tolkien was a Trekkie! Khaaaaan!! If it gets too fusion-y, I dunno if it’s as impactful to the lore. I mean, we don’t even get any dwarf women! It’s given rise to the belief that there ARE no dwarf women! Which is completely ridiculous! That was deliberate! That was deliberate!
Good video men of the West
I think the Beornings are in a separate class. Human, probably, but shape-shifters.
From how Tolkien described it, the Beornings were part of the Northmen, and most of them would be relatives of the Woodmen and Men of Dale, but a very small minority of the Beornings would be skinchangers rather than ordinary (non-shapeshifting) Men. So, Beorn is a Beorning (they seem to be named in his honour), but he is also a skinchanger. Maybe his son is as well, who knows. But the vast majority of Beornings are normal humans, with no skinchanger abilities.
I remember running a MERP's game set in the far east as a group helping the people survive and resist against the forces of Mordor and the dominion of Sauron (I also had the Blue Wizards as part of the resistance). One arc took them into Harad and Far Harad to spread resistance :) was a fun campaign.
Thumbnail is from one of my favourite games of all time. Mount & Blade: Warband
Which also has 2 good LOTR mods (both on steam workshop)
The Last Days of the Third Age (single player, mainly strategy game)
Persistent Lord of the Rings (multiplayer, RPG game)
100% recommended both
I was not waiting for it
I have to admit, I snickered every time Yoystan said “High Men”.
I would say that the 'men of darkness' have a lot of relation to the 'men of twilight' And when it comes down to it just like in our own world where humans all spread from a single space and adapted over time the base qualities are very much the same across all men of ME. The Easterlings and Southrons of the third age are not more prone to evil, and their fall into darkness has more to do with where they settled not any innate evil within them. Same can be said for the Elves, we don't know much about the Avari, but they clearly don't play a very big role and perhaps never fully ally with Morgoth but they never take the charge to fight the Shadow directly.
Bet you missed the clan macleod, there can be only one
Hey MOTW, could you make a video on the following question: “Why didn’t the Valar kill Melkor instead of throwing him in the void?” If he was prophesied return, why didn’t they just kill him then?
Mount & Blade menu is kinda fitting here
Good video!
The Dúnedain were a lineage of men composed entirely of hardcore Frank Herbert readers.
Based
I believe that in some odd and construed way, that you are the offspring of a line of kings, though truly you could easily be mixed from those other mythical creatures and peoples. Your majesty is immense and overwhelming, especially to us mere mortals
In this video, we learn that I've been pronouncing the words 'Edain' and 'Dunedain' terribly, terribly wrong, for many years.
(Yoystan has it right)
I would really like to read a history of the three ages from the point of view of the Men of Darkness.
Yeah man,it kind of frustrates me that we know so little about them.Maybe they ll get some spotlight in the upcoming Amazon series,that would be cool
A great video as always Men of the West.
Hi Yoystan , always enjoy your videos. i tried to find anything on Bellakar and the south of Umbar on youtube , but the obvious search terms did not yield anything. Will you be doing a video on them?
You forgot the Greybeards! Oh wait wrong franchise lol 😆
I am mid way from reading the Silmarillion. I have to say I am a bit disappointed in the Valar. They seemed to forsake the Easterlings almost doomed them into darkness where Melkor/Morgoth essentially had a monopoly of influence among them. Heck, even the Dunedain being blesses with their own isolated realm (Numernor) would eventually succum to the dark influence of Sauron. What chance did the Easterlings have? That being said I live Tolkien the entire universe fantasy is nothing short of a masterpiece. I am truly in awe how one man could of come up with it all. So much drama, mystery, hope, glory, despair, and depth to the entire storyline.
Just loaded into some Lotro but Yoystan comes first
were all equal
Don't forget the Norumbegans or the Chudistani.
Finally, maybe get to watch this newest video (depending on my tiny human). So grateful for everything you do. Your positivity and passion always show through and are a welcomed breath of fresh air every week ❤️
Edit: nope, watching right now is not gonna happen 😭. It's okay though, he's cute and I'm only like 98% biased as his mom lol
Like how you always find a life lesson for the listener to take away with them. 👍🍻
Visiting middle earth again. Rewatching LOTR trilogy
It's interesting to me how skin, hair, and eye colour vary within the "races" or Tolkien's works.
I had a quick thought: What was the Gap of Rohan called before the land was given to rohan by Gondor?
The Gap of Calenardhon?
Hey! I am starting to read the hobbit and am waiting to read lord of the rings ( which I heard is great!) my friend point your your channel, and I am wandering where to start? Do I it’s not watch your channel until I read all the books and see them movies?
"I bid you stand! Men of the west!"
- Aragorn
Thanks
Very interesting, thank you.
Good vid.
The Men of Rhovanion and Dale could be descended from Balan and his thousand followers that left Beleriand during the Siege of Angband
As a Man, I adore the Atani more than any other race of Arda (the Dwarves being a very close second).
Great video! But I gotta say, not cool with that Mount and Blade click bait, got me all excited to see a Mount & Blade video! 😂 Lol
I really enjoy these. It's cool to go so in-depth of the world building Tolkien did. Is there a similar type of channel for Game of Thrones that anyone knows?
Thank you, my friend! Glad you enjoy them! For similar Game of Thrones content, I would always recommend Preston Jacobs, RedTeamReview and Alt Shift X!
@@MenoftheWest Awesome, much appreciated!
@@MisterGravelrama In Deep Geek, CivilizationEx, GoT Academy, Quinn‘s ideas, Rawrist, The Order of the Green Hand!
But most of them do not exclusively GoT but also lord of other franchises!
@@michelmorio8026 Thanks so much, I'll check them out!
Was thinking an aged hugo weaving could play elros first king of numenor in the amazon show coming up..????? weren't they twins?
The Atani of Arda, a most enduring if flawed race. Since their awakening, the Afterborn outlasted war, plague, flood, and famine to inherit Middle Earth itself. They are nothing short of resolute and indomitable and we who crave freedom owe them much.
Who can blame men for falling for Morgoth's propaganda? From the point of view of men, elves were favored over them. The elves were immortal, they didn't get sick, they were ambidextrous & far sighted & they could go live with the gods if they wanted too. I feel slighted by Eru just writing this comment. 🤔
One of the rewards given to the Numenorians by the Valar was the freedom from sickness. Does that mean that the Valar could have done the same for all men? If so, I am even more pissed. 😡
@@raydavison4288 well, their antibodies didn‘t help against the great plague in the third age, did they? 😂
But are you sure you actually understood the gift of Eru Iluvatar to mankind? Or are you just as misinformed as the Numenorians were?
The Gift of Ilúvatar is death, the inheritance of Ilúvatar's Younger Children, which allows them to go beyond the confines of Arda, this world. Though the phrase commonly refers to this type of mortality, death is actually only part of the broader Gift given to Men: it is one with their ability to operate beyond the Music of the Ainur, which "is as fate to all things else". With this Gift, Men were to fulfill the world down to the finest detail.
It was said among the Elves that after they died, the fëar of Men were gathered in the Halls of Mandos, and then departed from the World for a destination unknown even to the Valar. Whereas all other beings in Arda, including the Valar themselves, were bound to the World and its fate, the Gift freed Men from this destiny, allowing them to shape their own lives as they wished. For this reason, the Elves, who must live as long as Arda exists and become burdened with its sorrows, often envy the Gift given to Men, and it is said that even the Valar shall do so as well.
But like all other aspects of life in Arda, the Gift of Men became darkened by Morgoth's shadow. Men came to view death with great dread, and it became a Doom to them rather than a Gift. Ancient lore kept in memory by the Wise among Men held that Morgoth had indeed brought the Doom of mortality upon them by inducing all Men to turn from Ilúvatar and worship him instead.
The fear of death, though ubiquitous in all populations of Men, reached its peak in the later years of the isle of Númenor, where even the long life given to the Númenóreans was not enough to satisfy them because of their envy of Elvish "immortality", and their wise men did all they could to try to escape death altogether. These attempts to escape the Gift were of course unsuccessful, since "the will of Eru may not be gainsaid". In the end, this desperation for immortality prompted the last King, Ar-Pharazôn, to take a great fleet to the Undying Lands in an attempt to wrest them from the Valar, falsely believing that these lands held the secret of obtaining everlasting life. But Ar-Pharazôn's hopeless quest for immortality brought its opposite to his people: Númenor was utterly destroyed, and the "Doom of Men" was visited upon all its inhabitants.
However, those Men with the greatest understanding treated death as the Gift it was originally intended to be, and when their time came gladly gave themselves up to it. For example, the earlier Rulers of Númenor in the Second Age, and Aragorn in the beginning of the Fourth Age, accepted the Gift at the natural end of their lives.
The gift of death is actually freedom... whereas the „immortality“ of elves & the Ainur is actually predestination and some sort of being slave/servant to it
@@michelmorio8026 By the time the plague hit, the people of Gondor has mixed with the "lesser" men of Middle Earth & were only part Numenorian. By that time Numenor was long gone & those gifts of long life & health were mostly gone. And btw, it was the Numenorian era that I was talking about.
Sometimes immature people, usually teenaged boys try so hard to be wise & knowledgeable that they end up falling flat on their faces & just sound foolish.
@@raydavison4288 then you can consider yourself lucky not talking to a teenager here
But let me return the favor... just responding to a single phrase, which was merely sarcasm - and not meant to be taken seriously - which immature people often don‘t get, clearly is a sign of insecurities and personal weakness!
Again, I would inform myself about the gift of Eru Iluvatar before making a fool of myself in some comments and „feel offended“, „mad“ or „pissed“ because I mistook the actual meaning
Yowww finally early
btw its 2:56 AM here xD
10:00 Dillon, you son of a b...!
Less talking, more raiding!
I used to be a High Man, but I haven't touched Pipe Weed since the '90's XD
7:06 Thats a nice head you got on your shoulders.
How do you feel about what's happening to the Amazon show? Looks like it's gonna be a mess.
What’s exactly happening that it might become a mess?
Explain
were all equal as people
for hobbits like the half elves, it could be possible that they might be half dwarvish with breeding with other races with men!
Men of darkness=Asiatic races
Arabs, Mongolians, Sicilians (Corsairs) and other non-whites
seems like Tolkien was pretty based for his timeline
The edge on you.
The Hymen?
No, the High Men... those that are stoned
Bout time the humans sub groups got explored.
Aragorn gave mordor to the eastern men after sauron died
Need better microphone 🎤🎙️
Thanks for inserting your wacky views into the story of men. It is interesting that Tolkien made a point of the importance of the preservation of bloodlines and the decent of nobility in his world, and you end with the wish that all those bloodlines and descended characteristics be wiped away.
It is interesting to see your point of view of preservation and pureness, when the bloodlines & people you talk about are actually a melting pot of 2 different species and at least 6 different clans of these 2 species! Who each has distinctive but very different characteristics
Remember Gandalf talking about the Dunedain kings valuing their forbearers, what they accomplished and lineages higher then their descendants and their own future... they declined due to this behaviour to the point where they weren‘t capable of rising up again...
If you wanna propagandize Tolkien, please try better & harder!
Btw, he didn‘t say what you read into it... he just said remember our common roots... and after all, that we aren‘t that different!
That’s far from „wiping out“ or „replacement“ which you brought up
@@michelmorio8026 Yes, when the Kings forgot to have children, their genetic lines failed, and their king ships were taken over “by LESSER MEN.” . Further, the long lived Neumanorians (sp) mixed with lesser peoples and lost their gift of long life. Elves, if they mixed with men, had to decide between the blood to follow, one way made you mortal and one way made you immortal. Tolkien made it explicit in Aragorn’s handling of the Dead, stating only a man who was a direct descendant of Isildur could be both King AND command the dead, releasing them from their Oath, AND wield Anduril. “I am isildur’s heir. Fight for me and I shall hold your oaths fulfilled.”
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