How Endless Eight Became one of the Most Hated Arcs in Anime History
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god, this video took forever didn't it. I started it shortly after my R;N review thinking it'd be like, 20 minutes long--25 tops. ...and then it was nearly 40 lol
I was really hoping to get this out closer to the release of the Intuition of Haruhi Suzumiya, but, well, obviously that didn't happen. Speedy editing isn't one of my strong suits, alas.
Tell you what else really didn't help the already pretty long time this video took to make was the fact that in late October, power was out for pretty much all of central Oklahoma for nearly 2 weeks. I was one of the people who got theirs back quicker, and it was still out for 5 whole days for me. It was wild.
In any case, despite the wait time for it, I hope you enjoy this video. I worked really hard on it!
Fun Fact: the post that timecrowaves reads was actually a post by them!! A lovely full circle moment, haha.
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Here's the videos seen throughout the video:
Hare Hare Yukai at Anime Expo 2007: • Video
Former Kyo-Ani Director Yamamoto puts the Haruhi Season 2 Endless Eight Arc in his own words: • Former Kyo-Ani Directo...
SacAnime 2012 - BLEACH Voice Actor Panel Part 2 (Johnny Yong Bosch, Michelle Ruff): • SacAnime 2012 - BLEACH...
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and also, thanks to Steiner (@DistantValhalla) for translating that little nugget about Endless Eight's sales for me. Fun fact: he also translated the manga I mention at the end, My Dad's the Queen of All VTubers?!
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Endless 8 is not the ultimate troll, that would be having made 9 episodes.
9 episodes in 2009?
Can’t top the film titled 9 that released 9/09/2009
No, it is simple a fucking waste of time.
* meanwhile in an alternate timeline! *
"What a waste of 9 episodes!"
@@Account.for.Comment
OP never said it was good, just the idea of subverting expectations is amusing.
@@dawnwayfinder I am refuting the assertion that it is amusing or a successful troll.
i marathoned endless 8 when i was sick. literally saw it with 104 degrees fever. i achieved enlightenment
Did u saw God?
@@endahp6192 no but i solved Gödel's incompleteness theorem
@@RagingHamster im glad
Huh. I marathoned Endless 8 and ended up feeling sick.
I got sick after watching it. I binged it the whole time. Quit immediately after this arch and can't watch it with out a migraine now. I don't know why. My brain just said no more.
"Endless Eight is either a stroke of genius or a waste of time"
I was there. It's both.
A genius waste of time
Man, it is the longest short season I've ever watch.
Bingo
A stroke of genius in wasting time
You're completely right
Imagine how yuki felt she experienced it 15,500 times while we we experienced it 8 times
That's exactly why the disappearance movie happened
Finally, a man of culture...
THANK YOU !
I think that is the message they want to send to us
Heh. HEH.
Man, you should watch Higurashi. I'ts literally the same idea, but as a horror/drama/murder mistery anime instead. And it's awesome. The SN is awesome too. The anime aired around the same time Haruhi's anime aired.
And funnily enough, it also got new entries recently, Higurashi Gou and Higurashi Sotsu. I have yet to watch Sotsu though.
I remember people making posters and t-shirts saying "i survived endless eight"
Someone should bring that back lol
I bought one of those a few months back haha
@@jyojitsukikage4508
Maybe updated to "I survived the Endless Eight and 2020!".
@jenny moe god i feel so old
It is a work of art in the purest sense of the word.
Some artist hold their performances in museum.
They aired it on TV.
As somebody that's never watched Haruhi, Endless Eight sounds like a really interesting idea on paper that does not surprise me at all would make an absolutely miserable viewing experience in practice.
Ur spoiling urs3lf
I actually enjoyed watching it. Even on its own, it's a solid episode that I don't mind revisiting. Going through it all in one sitting is probably not as fun though.
@@Kristenkore Why tf would you spell like that
@@Kristenkore i just got a stroke
same, the idea of a time loop spanning across different episodes would be interesting but only if there was enough change to make a whole different episode about it. they could have fixed this if the loop wasn't the full episode and possibly happen twice or something to really show that to the audience watching the one episode, and the eight episode thing is obsurd, anything more than two episodes for something like this feels like way too much for a series with 14 episodes
however after all of this, i am probably going to try and find this just because time loops and other time shenanigans alike are super interesting to me and have so much potential to be really interesting
They should have thrown in one “It’s Not Unusual” to break it up
And that, my friends, is when the arc went from good to great.
@@TerribleTrioProductions and a sigh of relief went through the anime fandom
And then... when they went back to Endless Eight..
WHOM WHOM! WHAT'S NEW PUSSYCAT!
I
LOVE
IT
I feel like the problem wasn't the repetition; it was the wait. In this binge-watching age, I feel like releasing all 8 of them at once would be better received as an artistic, risky, move. Releasing them weekly is straight up stupid, maddening, a bad move.
They didn't though, at least not in Japan. Haruhi was out of chronological order in its broadcast, so there wouldn't be 8 endless 8s for 8 weeks.
@@Ranixo286Haruhi's first season was out of chronological order. S2 ran all 8 E8 episodes in order. And they were 8/14 episodes, so they ruined the season anyway.
I think if they were binged, though, then the real-life effect of the time loop (as mentioned in the quote under "epilogue") would have been lost. I still don't think it should have been a full eight weeks, but four weeks at least would have been effective at driving the point home, and you can only do that in broadcasting, not in binge consuming.
There are a lot of shows that lose something when binged versus broadcasted. There are shows that also gain something when binged versus broadcasted, but I think people forget that there is a significant benefit to drip-feeding the audience weekly.
I just binged them all. It was still awful. I am dropping the anime and review bombing it.
I just binged them all. It was incredible. I will continue watching it and loving it.
Just imagine if after the arc ended, they had a normal new episode and then another endless eight
I would have wept
@Sphingidae that's exactly what came to my mind. Just one "It's Not Unusual".
Evil, actual evil.
Who want season 3 ?
@@swatipatki7047 I'd only want a new season if it's being done by KyoAni. Which let's be real, it probably wouldn't.
I remember watching the endless eight arc in one sitting and it felt like an eternity
But it was quite a study of how you spot differences in details and visual style between each episode.
I also binged it in one watch. I think you have to keep in mind the little details and just live with the moments to enjoy it. Rather than complaining and thinking that it's boring, think of it as eight subtle episodes, in which slight changes are hidden and it's your job to find them and understand the plot.
@@lizardstep5177 if it's boring, it's not enjoyable. I would rather play spot the difference than watch the same episode for 3 hours straight, but I did anyways.
@J Tayloryeah ik. the people watching when it was airinb must've been furious
I binge watched the whole series when I was younger and I actually liked this part of the show. Is that weird?
@@breewashere I don't think so. It is part of the eccentricity of this show~
So essentially it's like john mulaney salt n pepper diner story but for the haruhi fandom. Well at least we have the disappearance movie
There's something about comparing Haruhi to a John Mulaney story that makes me LOL.
Aww you beat me to it.
"So then you think Endless Eight is over, right? It isn't. There's more."
"BWAAHHHH WHATS NEW PUSSYCAT?"
While the repetition of that song is probably worse all at once, "What's New Pussycat" by Tom Jones is only a little over 2 minutes long so playing that 21 times amounts to the length of only 2 renditions of Endless Eight. ^_^
For years, scientists have wondered if you could make grown men and women cry by playing the sigh arc...
I think the true unsung heroes of endless 8 are the people who were tasked to animate 8 different versions of what is basically the same thing for months. People praise the directors and the writers for this decision but if watching the same episode 8 times was already enough of a drag, imagine having to _animate_ the same lines and activities over and over and over again. Holy shit. Keep on trucking, Kyoani.
Sadly most of them are dead now 😢
man hearing this without actually experiencing this makes this so much funnier lmao
It wasn't. Trust me.
Same, I heard about this drama before, but wow
@Eric Lee True, true. Even I can look back and have a nice chuckle about how mad we all got.
I didn't actually watch the show. I started, but eh. I did watch Nyoron Churuya-san tho!
It wasnt !!!! Imaging waiting a WHOLE week to wacth your favorite anime to watch same episode AGAIN, whoeever was after thia dessition was dumb, if only they change stuffs so fans could enjoynthat but NOOOOO
*Me who's never heard of or watched this anime:* "Ah yes, I should watch this video about an arc I know nothing about."
Is actually cool, watch first season, then second but ignored 6 episodes of endless 8, watch the first and the last of endless 8.... and watch the movie IS COOOOOL, the movie is amazing
They would actually have to watch the first, second and eight episode of endless eight since it's until the second episode that they realize that they're on a time loop
It's way better than actually watching it. Trust me.
if you wanna watch it, the best thing is to watch Endless Eights 1, 2, 4, and then 8. Endless Eigth #4 has some really beautiful shots and transitions
Who want season 3 ?
The voice actors begging to be allowed to do anything different is so sad.
I am guessing the managment is trying to make sure another ghost stories dub wont get out.
@@luigirock96 But the Ghost Stories dub was legendary.
Of course, it makes sense that they wouldn't want that to happen with (what used to be) a big name series like Haruhi. With Ghost Stories it was a very different situation. The Japanese studio KNEW they were signing over a dud, so they named virtually no requirements for the nature of the localization.
@@Radien ghost stories dubbed is so garbage i have no clue where to begin
@@wuvumgywgy wtf ghost stories dub is a work of art
That's the part that still gets to me. I would shrug it off but this is just abuse.
Endless Eight is a brilliant case-study for anyone that wants to learn more about directing, tone-setting and visual styling in anime and other media. You get 8 episodes of the same stuff, but every episode has a different mood to it. Its brilliant.
However for the average anime watcher its a waste of time.
Honestly I cannot blame anyone for hating this arc or finding it a waste of time
@@zomegaexalpha4708 its the most genious waste of time ever. the directing job to every episode is different in feel and gives more insight but its still the same episode 8 times and you dont really miss anything by skipping like 80% of it
still love it though
@@formula31 What did it give more insight to? I didn’t hate the arc but I didn’t really get it tbh.
"The average anime watcher"
I can just smell the pretentiousness lmao. This arc would have been fine if it was half its length, I even agree that the cute summer vacation turned cosmic horror is cool at first, but 8 episodes of the SAME. DAMN. THING. is too much.
It's a massive waste of time b/c it overstays its welcome, interesting premise aside.
Hell Higurashi does Looping FAR better than Endless 8 probably because the entire franchise was built around the concept and the different arcs are so different and well different genre. In Haruhi this was just done in the most obnoxious way possible.
I survived the Endless Eight.
Sure pops, now let's get you back to bed.
hehe
This is beautiful, it remidns me of the Spongebob episode where Mr. Krabs has that boy scout guide he walked him into his room lmao
I think I survived it, and died right after it
@@rafagd watched all eight back to back on UA-cam (Back before copyright was a concern.)
I Remember watching It for the First Time. At First i was like :damn they Just repeated an episode once? That's Genius from plot wise" then they repeated It 7 more times
"I need her glompness"
people talked like that
this is a thing someone said
That's just how it was, I suppose.
I thank the universe for having me barely miss that dark time
@@KingOfGaymes ...is it bad that I actually miss that bygone era of absolute overwhelming cringe? There's a certain...beautifully oblivious innocence to saying something THAT stupid.
Yeah man Highschool glompin was I strange time
Today all they talk about is boing boing but man do i miss them glomp days.
I'm less angry and more impressed at KyoAni's dedication to trolling. They re-recorded and re-animated every episode from scratch; Endless Eight must be the most expensive prank ever.
And also the most pointless.
@@renderedjunk7146 idunno
pranking someone with unsharpened pencil would be pointless as well 👀
The Endless Eight is still terrible.
@Wholesome Convos Only Given that spinning off the Disappearance arc into a movie was what let them do Endless Eight like this in the first place, are there any story arcs that would have been worth adapting if they did a more condensed version of Endless Eight? I'm not familiar with Haruhi so I wouldn't know. 3 episodes does seem like a reasonable length for a condensed version of Endless Eight though.
Based
The real tragedy of Endless Eight is that they missed the chance to animate Snowy Mountain Syndrome, a much more interesting short story that was in the same volume as EE. It takes place after Disappearance chronologically, but it would've been fully understandable despite that, and it's not like the directors actually cared about showing events in order anyway.
Repeating day arc? Show it from each person's perspective.
No thanks, Wolf's Rain did that and it sucked
Weren't there only 6 people in the S.O.S. Brigade?
@@professionalfangster1510 Then you have 6 episodes be the same, 7th episode run the different version that breaks the cycle, and then an 8th one to show the next day.
@@Nadia1989 Anime often does things where it shows you the same story from different perspectives and it's often interesting. Wolf rain just must be not very good.
@@maximusstorm1215 It was a good anime, the "repeating day" thing was an important point to let you get connected to each character and see how they met. It wasn't that bad, I personally enjoyed the show.
Obligatory “I survived Endless 8 and all I got was this lousy t-shirt”
Wait, you got a t-shirt!
At least you have the shirt!
8 t-shirts.....somehow.
Nice Vice City reference
Except they were out of shirts so all that I got was a meal voucher that didn’t even work.
its still such a shame that alot of poeple who made this show died in the kyoani fire
rest in peace never forget
God:
This will teach you to fucking make endless 8!
Wow, that's actually really sad that it ended that way.
RedBard should do a video on that
@@darkestccino5405 what makes it less sad is the studio learned literally nothing and once back togther went right back to doing shittey things which wow just wow i guess the actual people making the horrible descions wernt in the fire which is fing sad bad people always seem to get away with it while innocent suffer for there actions
@@ravenpreston1032 id rather her not its really not that intresting just another case of a isolated hermit getting to attached to a character and going out on a rampage it really was so sterotypical
I remember when the Endless Eight was airing I was only 10. We'd loved the first season so my dad would watch bootlegs with us as soon as he could get them. I remember being absolutely dumbfounded at how long it went, but getting so invested in cstching what the differences were. We even figured out it was the homework!!! I can still remember to this day when she did that heel turn we literally jumped off the couch and started cheering and hugging each other. What an unreal commitment to a bit, I loved it so much
i went through a personal hell with these, cracked a tooth, the same week i had a wisdom tooth removed, while dealing with the amount of pain and dizzyness from meds i tripped and twisted my ankle and i couldn't walk or speak after, my mom felt bad and put in one of my dvd's which happened to be these episodes, i was in so much pain i wasn't really concerned what was playing on the tv and tried to sleep through it, i'd wake up every hour in pain, then see an episode, drift back to sleep to wake up in pain and see the same or a similar episode, over and over and over again.
Did-did you just straight up go to hell and not notice???
👀 you thought the anime characters were in a time loop, except they weren't, you were. And you survived
...sounds tramatizing.
I had a pretty weird experience just involving watching anime. I remember one of the times I tried and failed to watch Kaiji... I was going to sleep, but kept trying to stay up long enough to watch more, and eventually it got to the point where I thought I remembered watching more, but I really didn't, and I think I tried to watch more after I got up. Things in my head and what was on screen obviously didn't line up. It was a really weird experience, probably involving hallucination.
looks like a good beginning to start a horror or thriller film, lol
It should've been 3 episodes tops:
The original loop, the first time they became aware of the loop, and the conclusion.
I definitely think that would've been the best way to do it.
Agreed
Might be able to stretch it out into four if you add a couple more plot points. First the og loop, second is becoming aware of it and major confusion, third is working to get out of the loop and maybe a plot twist reveal, and fourth is the big conclusion. Again, only works if you have enough material to do that.
Yep. The 1st loop. 2nd loop where he fails. 3rd loop where he succeeds.
Cringe.
Anime: only has 14 episodes.
"Let's repeat 8 episodes lmao".
Lol
ReZero season 2: *Observe the endless loop*
@@mr.stuffdoer8483 well at least they change major stuff. endless eight was literally the same episode
Rofl
The gall
@Stein Light ARC SKIPPERRRR
Watched Haruhi for the first time in 2014 and loved the Endless Eight, blissfully ignorant of the all the insanity surrounding it, and this video has been incredible detailing all of the history behind it. I can't imagine how different my perception of it would've been if I was eagerly watching it week-by-week after waiting years for it.
Im subd to the channel absol
I would have hated it if I was watching it as a seasonal and I really don't think they needed a full 8 episodes to get the same effect. Still a cool watch after the fact.
@@mamaharumi it's even more special when you realize the show was broadcasted out of chronological order, but the Endless Eight still aired back-to-back
@@diegoxavier9107 Oh...oh no 😨...
I was there when it happened, watching it week by week... Endless Eight killed the hype for the following episodes so hard for me, I can't even remember what happened after it was over, even though I can recall vividly the first season and the spin-offs without any trouble.
I think that if they allowed the English dub voice actors to swap roles or do funny voices instead of keeping it the same, it would have went down as another ghost stories.
Let Kyon and Koizumi to swap rules for one episode, and let the girls all move roles in a circle for three episodes until they're back to normal.
VA's doing the episodes as past characters they've done, episodes randomly taking a Chicago gangster feel, there was so many ways it could have been saved.
I wonder if there’s a abridged series of this Anime?
@@peterang78 Yes, there is. Now that you remind me of it, Imma rewatch it again real quick.
Well it sure would have sitting through them a lot more tolerable
Love it or hate it. Props to this anime for making the words “I haven’t finished my homework” be some of the most powerful, epic, and relieving words I have heard in the history of anime.
I don't get it, were they literally subjected to this because one fucker didn't want to admit he didn't do his homework?
@@nikolaitheundying No haha. In Japan the students are given homework to do in the summer, the studious and responsible ones, like Haruhi, do them all in the first days of vacations while some try to cram them all in the day before school starts again. The time loop happened because Haruhi had some desire she wanted to be fulfilled despite relieving that last day of vacation countless times, and at the last second Kyon discovered that it what she wanted was to experience doing homework in the summer with her classmates. So it's not that Kyon didn't want to admit that he didn't do his homework, just that admitting was the hidden desire of Haruhi.
@@Tinky11221 Why didn't she just say so then? Could have saved everyone 1000 time loops if she just said "Can we do our homework together?"
@@nikolaitheundying Because Haruhi didn't realize herself she had this desire, as she always finished homework alone in the first days of vacations instead of cramming with her friends in the last day.
@@Tinky11221 mmmm sounds kinda dumb
Is it better in context or is it still as dumb and contrived as it sounds
Good thing the novel chapter wasn’t called “endless 1500”.
Nah if that had been the name, they wouldn't even try to do it and at least keep it 3-4 episodes. Eight just gave them the wrong idea.
You got me there xD
Or "Endless December".
will be better if it called endless 888
@@anneinspiration1994 r/whoosh
Binge watchers today just don't understand how frustrating this was to watch. You would wait a whole WEEK to find out that the arc hadn't ended. Imagine if HBO had done something similar w/GOT or some other popular weekly streaming series. Fans would've burned buildings to the ground!
Well, KyoAni got theirs burned too. Just a few years late, though.
Damn, hope somebody actually does another Endless 8 bit on their weekly tv show now.
No warnings, no explanation. Just happens.
I don't get how anyone could have expected anything BUT eight episodes after episode 3. If they didn't end it in episode 3, they would go and make it 8. It's in the name 🤷🏻♂️
That's why we're winners
Yeah, I once thought "why not just skip those unnecessary episodes when binging?" but then I realize that's not an option when watching it live on a weekly basis lol. It's one of those things where you have to be there to understand even more of the pain
The artists' mental health probably went to the bottom of the pit having to draw the same damn episode 8 times
The didn't really draw the same thing 8 times. Each time they changed up outfits and the perspective from which things were done.
But they could have saved lots by having the voice actors just record the lines once since those remained almost identical.
@@conniethesconnie wouldn't be fair to the artists that had to do it different for months.
They either found a way to make it fun, or suffer along.
Perhaps, but they also got to put a very slight spin on each one right? Seems like a very unique opportunity as well but yeah torture.
This is the fifteen thousand, five hundred and twenty-fourth time we've had this conversation.
Thats what my mom says to me
And we have become exceedingly efficient at it.
The Endless 8 literally made
me despair. What did the creators think?
And why is the Light Novel not yet animated yet?
It's not like the show has nothinig more to cover left!!
When is one of the best anime ever made going to continue?
Or is that question not allowed??
@@slevinchannel7589 are you trying to invoke the feeling of The Endless 8 with constantly repeating the same post?
Genius!
“So... should I leave?”
DON’T... please.
my internet died at the perfect moment in the middle of the "antici.... pation" joke and it took me at least five seconds to realize the video had actually stopped XD
Have you ever watched Council of Geeks? Their video about The Rocky Horror Picture Show starts off with the “shiver with antici-” line, and then it stops for an AD BREAK before you get the “-pation.”
Even though I know UA-cam sometimes puts ad breaks right after a video's intro, that one was FAR too exact to have been a coincidence.
@@Radien TSomeone made a twitter account, posted like 3 RHPS related posts, then made a post with "Antici--"...
Then came back FIVE YEARS LATER to deliver the rest.
@@robbybevard8034 *Mother of God...*
@@robbybevard8034 this type of dedication is why I love the internet. there's always the storys of people doing this shit and its glorious
My headphones slipped at that moment, so I thought it just briefly disconnected from my laptop and then reconnected. Didn't even realize it was intentional until I read this...
I'd be harsher on the arc if it were Literally the same episode eight times, but the fact that they had to re-record dialogue and re-animate every scene for each episode really elevated it in my opinion. It put the audience themselves inside the same time loop as the characters, a rarity in time loop stories that allowed us to feel the same despair and desperation. However, by the same token, this meant that it ultimately became almost a form of torture, and at best was simply... boring.
I would have committed war crimes if it was the exact same episode
I remember going through it when it came out, and boy, I don't care how much time and effort they had put into making each episode from scratch and rerecording every line of dialogue, that was such a drag to go through, and the anticipation that it would finally end this week, only for it to be just another loop without a conclusion, over and over again felt like a chore more than anything.
And when it FINALLY ended, I didn't feel accomplished or happy for the characters, nor hyped for the following week. I just felt empty. Endless Eight had killed the hype for the next episode after it reached its conclusion. It was so bad, I don't remember anything that happened in S2 aside from Endless Eight...
@@TwilightWolf032 Yup, I was watching weekly back then and 3 episodes in I dropped it until the final episode of the loop aired.
@@night1952 You were the saner of the two of us.
I don't get it because for people who aren't into anime taking big swings there are a million boring by-the-book anime out there that will surely delight them with new throwaway monsters of the week or whatever. The real tragedy would have been KyoAni not taking any real chances and just cashing in on the S1 hype. Bet all the chronological viewers and MAL voters would have loved that dark timeline.
It sucks because the "Endless Eight" title and alliteration sounds really cool and mysterious
Also the idea of a time loop can be used in really good ways but you have to change it after every loop
Check out endless nine then 😉
It should have been the forever four
@@valletas I think it's because the time loop wasn't the real problem, but them stretching a short story into 8 episodes.
If they did this with other kind of story people would hate it almost the same, being forced to watch a very short story with a lot of filler while wanting them to adapt your favorite arc.
ikr its a shame
I feel very conflicted on the endless eight.
On one hand, it really drives the point across of the hopelessness of the situation and makes you feel how unlikely it was for the cycle to end.
But on the other hand, it's just the same episode 8 times
The ending makes it worth it in my opinion I way dying of laughter.
That's why MONTAGE scenes exists in shows and movies, you don't have to see Dr Strange bargaining to dormammu each time, instead splice in montages with the movie score to imply how much time he have gone through.
This is stupidly useless of an arc, however i felt less mad knowing its a troll by the creators (allegedly)
@@haveidonethisbefore I'd have preferred to see more cycles in doctor strange to be honest
@@LucyTheBox why? Each scenes would just be
"Dormammu I've come to bargain"
*Dr strange dies*
Now rinse and repeat
@@haveidonethisbefore they were different enough to not be boring to me and I was kind of dissapointed how quickly the segment was over.
Not saying it was the wrong choice, I just personally would not have minded
Imagine if we finally got a 2nd season of Panty and Stocking and it's just 13 episodes of the postscript of the last S1 episode repeating with different camera angles and animation styles
Don’t you put that evil on me.
We’d better
That would be great lmao
I was a big fan of s1 but the fact that the tease for season 2 was so obviously a joke makes me want it to actually come out and be totally terrible, as a continuation of that joke
that would be devastating.
I honestly thought I missed episodes. Since, back in the day, we had to watch it on questionable sites I thought there was something wrong with the uploads.
I wish it were something wrong with the uploads.
Same here! I skipped half of this arc and assumed that the uploader messed it up. I didn’t realize it until years later.
Same and I saw it on Funimation. I was like didn't I saw this already until I skipped around and coincidentally skip to new scenes in the second episode.
Who would've thought that sinking 160+ minutes into an episode that just plays over and over with minimal changes would become cause for hatred?
I'm no writer by any means, but I think boredom/apathy is the one emotion you should avoid evoking in the reader/audience.
Its worst when you had to watch it weeky
It'd not "minimal changes". The directing and animation is different each episode
A good director could have done an amazing job with this idea
An mistery anime were in every episode everything happens the same way, but different, characters talked in a cafe at 6pm? Next episode they talk about a completely different subject at a bar at 6pm and all of it combined works with solving the mystery
@@MrPF That's not how the source material was written, however.
This was an entertaining watch and clearly well-researched, but I'm sorry, 30 minutes later and that "HER GLOMPNESS" comment still haunts me
good
@@RedBardIsCool The Endless 8 literally made
me despair. What did the creators think?
And why is the Light Novel not yet animated yet?
It's not like the show has nothinig more to cover left!!
When is one of the best anime ever made going to continue?
Or is that question not allowed??
Ribbit.
That physically hurt me
@John Ocean Seriously, what the hell are these comments? I get now that there are bots involved, but what's the fuckin' point?!
I was part of a small Lucky Star-based fan community when Endless Eight was airing, and the collective frustration throughout the arc and eventual relief when Kyon broke the loop was one of the greatest community experiences I've ever had as an anime fan.
Fact: I didn't watch E8's final episode until it was VERY late at night, around midnight or so. So when Haruhi turned around and went "Huh?", I legitimately screamed so loud that it woke up my family lol.
Endless eight could only be acceptable in a binge-watching format, where you have time to spot all the differences and can fast forward or just skip to the eighth episode. Week by week it would be excruciating. Heck, even three episodes of that would be too many, I have no idea how EIGHT could have possibly seemed like a good idea.
i can tell you no it isn't, imagine wanting to binge watch and you realize, its a fucking waste of time, no no no
Binge-watching it, as I just did, wasn’t all that bad. I definitely lost steam after three, but it wasn’t horrendous - just overstayed its welcome.
But watching one episode and then waiting a week, knowing you’d be doing this for the next two months? I would simply stop watching.
@@RetepAdam How much time y'all got to waste watching the same thing over and over? Because I don't fuck with that. Endless eight is the same exact episodes, different skins. I'm not just watching to be entertained, I'm watching with the expectation that what I'm watching is actually GOOD and worth my time. Think of how much content we could get in place of endless eight?
Even without endless eight, the entire episodic series is very mid. I don't get what people see in the show. All I ever saw was ruined potential and mixed feelings, most of them negative. Every character is just an archetype and hardly anything more. Except Haruhi, the extra spicy Tsundere who's just an asshole to everyone.
I also binged all 8 episodes. Well, when I say "binged" I mean "watched the first 3 episodes then when I caught on to what was happening I just left it in the background while I did other stuff." And I gotta say, that moment when Kyon FINALLY steps out and screams at Haruhi, that felt absolutely amazing. Compounded by the frustration from the previous few episodes that had the exact same moment where Kyon nearly does something but ultimately doesn't. I saw people say that they recommend new viewers just watch the first and last episode. The problem with that is that would immediately spoil to the new viewer the surprise of the endless loop, and it would also rob them of that feeling of pure satisfaction when Kyon finally does something.
@@DeadlyLazer I just watched 3 of them and man I am this close to wanting to scream at kyon "JUST FUCKING ASK HER WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT TO DO?" 😂
This sounds like it could have been a really promising idea if they had changed more things between each episode. As is, it sounds so. freaking. annoying.
I like to think that the point was to be annoying
@@Lee-fw5bd Thing is, I think it could've been both annoying *and* entertaining. But the way it played out sounds nothing *but* annoying and that's not fun.
@@Lawnie fair enough. I had a good laugh with it but not everyone is me. And I also didn't have any expectations of a fan waiting years or anything.
@@Lee-fw5bd Is a fun thing for look later...but at time. It probably was hell.
@@arqueiroXD You don't know how right you are. I was a huge fan at the time, and didn't want to miss a second of the 14 episodes that we were getting. So I felt like I was being waterboarded with each Endless Eight episode. 2, even 3 episodes I could have understood. It's hard to understand waiting a week each time, and watching the whole episode waiting for some progress. I didn't want to skip anything.
But I couldn't take it and eventually tapped out. I felt like a bad fan. I eventually googled the season to see what had happened, and found out when the episodes ended, so I could start from the last episode of Endless Eight and watch the rest of the season.
To this day, I hate Endless Eight. I like the animations, the content, the day, the interactions, the outfits, everything...except for the fact that it was a repetitive loop, over and over again. I wanted to like it. I did like all the hard work that went into it. But it was a slap in the face that sears to this day. And I can't understand people who like it, except that they are goofy and contrarian. :D
Luckily, the movie was everything that we wanted, and was a great finale, so to speak, since we haven't had much since then. I was more than satisfied, which just highlights Endless Eight more, wedged between the great first season and the great movie. We know they can do great things, and even many parts of Endless Eight show that charm. But that makes it worse when you know that they are purposefully holding back, making it worse than it could be, wasting our time and love. I've forgiven the franchise for Endless Eight, but it is still a scar on my heart, and I will never be able to forget it.
i felt REALLY sorry for Yuki, she experienced EVERY LOOP we only got 8...
Well if you really feel that bad just watch the arc 2,000 times. :)
@@casbyness yeah ill pass lol.
It made me really feel for Yuki!! I fell in love with her because of the second season and film
@@pastelberru The disappearance of Yuki series made me like Yuki until the show decided not to have an ending...
I'm on Haruhi's side on this one, an endless summer is really not that bad xD
The real tragedy is that switching the voice actors around each episode in the endless eight arc would've probably made this arc a memorable watch (or at least an extremely funny experience).
That would have been so fun! A hallucination episode right when people were desperate.
This is pretty hilarious from an outsider's point of view. That said I can't imagine the frustation it must have been to sit through 8 weeks of this, still funny though
I watched it after it released but it's still painful when you binge to watch essentially the same 30 minutes eight times.
In a post streaming era, where everyone is used to binge watch entire seasons of everything as if they were full length movies, I think that this way of presenting the storyline would have been very interesting and artistic, and it would invite fans to catch up on the subtleties of every episode and have fun with it, I mean at the end of the day you can watch 8 episodes of anything and be done before dinner no problem, dont touch the remote and let the autoplay do it's thing... BUT FOR A SHOW THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE TRANSMITTED WEEKLY????? Whoever made that decision smoked a fat one. I don't know how they didn't expected that reaction from the fans. GOD that sounds like torture.
I still feel like 8 episodes is too long even with streaming, 3 maybe 5 tops but 8 is too much for the same thing with little difference.
@@AlmightySmorg i mean yes im with you, but it at least would work as a cool way of presenting the problem of the arc
Im sure most people would just skip some parts, also, because you are totally able to do that in a streaming setting, but i admit that it would be almost as annoying
Now imagine having to watch it 15398 times. No skips. No fast forwards. Years worth of the same shit with minor changes each.
@@graveltheblock5578 Now it's 2200, humanity has colonized Alpha Centauri, but Kyoani is still doing its weekly release of Endless Eight.
Well I mean they also originally aired the first season not chronologically so...
I was there. I experienced Endless Eight live.
It was glorious. The screams, the tweets, the forum threads and tv tropes discussions. The memes. People slowly but surely losing their minds.
For a brief, yet much too long moment in that fateful summer we all were truly.
Yuki Nagato.
I’m living Endless Eight live right now.
@@classicforreal fr life in quarantine feels like endless 800
Yeah it was a horrible experience wating week after week just to get the fricking same episode! But hold on cause i love Yuki Nagato so much. Then Disappereance of Haruhi happened and those weeks of suffering added more to understanding Nagato's character and it broke me when kyon realized it was her doing. It was just really heartbreaking
Honestly the fact that "having a love life" counts as a huge scandal for Japanese/South Korean stars enrages me.
The kind of fans who obsess over "being with" someone famous who doesn't even know they exist/let alone date, and send death threats over an individual's freedom to choose and live like an individual pisses me the f*ck off.
Grow up, separate fantasy from reality.
So basically k-pop stans
Yeah, this was one thing that was deeply upsetting to me to hear. I was a kid so I didnt really follow anime super closely, but I did love season 1 of Haruhi and that once dance game a lot. Ended up really getting attatched to Aya Hirano's voice and all, but hearing now that people "disgraced" her for just having a boyfriend? Jesus thats so disgusting. Thats just so so awful. Really cannot stand idol culture or the general ideas of purity surrounding women in society at all.
Yeah, I'll never get how people actually expect to get with their celeb crush. It's even worse in the kpop fandom. I like Bts and all but I don't wanna date them. I'd be hella happy if they got gfs or bfs just to piss off the little kids who thought they could get with them and cleanse the fandom.
I get fantasizing about them (which i still find weird but whatevs) but they gotta learn how to face reality.
@@NeoNovastar I think the issue wasn't so much that she had a boyfriend, but that pictures had leaked of her having a gang bang session with her band (minus the drummer), which I think would be even worse for an idol's reputation.
Don't get me wrong though, I could not give two shits who a celebrity is dating or fucking behind closed doors. I find it pretty interesting how that sort of thing can impact your entire career in Asia, but in America it's seen as interesting gossip at worst, and at best can boost someone's career.
@@Wurbel199 Doesn't excuse sending them death threats.
I honestly really fucking adore this idea when I consider it completely divorced from the state of the show at the time. Like releasing eight episodes that are all nearly identical to each other just to really drive in that the cast is in a timeloop? It's so big brained and honestly funny as hell. But when you consider that they were released once per week over the course of a few months and were contained in a season just less than half the length of the endless eight arc that fans were waiting two years for? That seems pretty cruel and I can see why fans would be angry about that. I definitely know if I were watching the show live at that time I would have been really mad at pretty much anyone responsible for the move lmfao
Red Bard's whole channel is basically digging up the ghosts of the Early 2000s anime community
Why is nobody else doing this? It's a gold mine
SarahZ is talking about Tumblr history and reviving dead fandoms...
A lot of people do it actually
@@vovabars1234 Gimme some videos. I can't get enough of this
@@MapleMilk kenny lauderdale does something similar, tho it's more like digging up anime relics
ubnubmaster is doing the same thing but for vocaloids
Endless Eight episodes 2-8 were just putting the community through the 7 stages of grief
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7?
I feel bad that I don’t live in a universe where Johnny Yong Bosch’s suggestion actually went through
we gotta go through our own Endless 8 until we reach the episode where it worked and we got an actually watchable comedic endless 8
Endless 8 fandub
@@Anafyral666 ....
i wanna make this happen....
“We should throw in one “It’s Not Unusual” in the middle to just shake it up a bit”
~ Johnny Young Bosch and John Mulaney’s friend John
As a trolling attempt, its masterclass. As a business decision? Whoever made that decision should've been fired.
Fired and blacklisted from EVER getting a job in that area of industry again.
@@The_Phoenix_Saga Considering what happened to the studio this reply leaves a distasteful print, us casual watcher don't always know specifically who was affected that day but this could be a reply that's just heartless in my opinion
@@EvoxityMMO It's true though.
@@lite4998 I don't think you know about what happened with that studio, a hateful fan took it to himself to arson attempt to burn it down. yall going "whoever did this whole episode repeats over and over" should be blacklisted and never work in anime again, when they couldve very well died that day, is fucked to think with that mindset if you're aware of the events.
@@lite4998 and when i say "when they couldve" it's because i genuinely dont know for a fact if they did or didnt that day.
My mind is BLOWN at the idea that the arc in the light novel only lasts one chapter. I know sometimes adaptations have a bad habit of milking small scenes/details from the source material into a much too long and useless subplot, but... that's INSANE. Fun fact: I never finished season 2 because I got so bored during Endless Eight that I needed a break... and then forgot to start watching again to this day. Oops?
Mostly the same for me, I tried to watch the series again after the 8 but I just lost interest. The movie was nice though.
Yeah, I had to tap out during Endless Eight as well. I did google the season to see what the hell happened, and managed to pick up where Endless Eight left off. The movie won back my heart, but to this day I hate Endless Eight. :D
Same as you, but because I watched it so late at night and I was trying to stay awake, I thought I was watching the same episode again and again and I thought I was going crazy.
@@clonezero_RR I skipped around the episodes to see, if anything is changing. It took me until now, to realize that it actually was 8 episodes. I thought it's only 4.
It's honestly beyond weird.
I mean, cool, let's do the Groundhog to Haruhi. Can work. But... why like this? If you change the way the original LN does it, why make it a 8x22 minutes loop of basically the same thing?
Reminder that the 4chan discussion surrounding how you could watch every permutation of this arc has been cited in at least one mathematical paper.
Can you hook your boy up with a link to that discussion?
I remember it being about the resolution of a not yet solved theorem, it was also solved using the first season
What
Tell me more
Google superpermutations
during the endless eight, the characters came as close as they ever could to being honest about their feelings. the agony of the endless eight would have been worth it for even just a sideways exploration of their relationships even without any depth to it. life is too short to spend it without developing our relationships, but instead of even just acknowledging that, it resolved as a throwaway joke with the characters changing nothing about themselves.
The resolution isn't exactly KyoAni's fault. That's exactly how this story ended in the light novel. The light novel just only showed the last loop instead of 8 of them.
@@Eamil It would be his fault since he made the arc much bigger than its resolution
@@littlemoth4956 They're talking about the character development that happened during the story. That element was in the original. If you don't like that the character development ended with a cheap joke and none of the development sticking, that's just how the story was written in the first place before it was ever animated.
@@Eamil It's still kind of their fault, because they could've easily just changed the resolution or just not made the same episode eight times as filler.
@@Eamil And I'm saying they could have made it 3 episodes instead of 8. Maybe have multiple cycles in one episode.
Either way I'm saying if they knew the resolution was a joke, why make it longer than it needed to be?
I would have hated the Endless Eight treatment if they'd saved money on it, but the fact they made a choice to fully animate it really made me back the choice at the time. It really puts you in the headspace of Yuki. Sometimes I think that me and one of my friends were the only two fans who liked it at the time. The rest of my friends no only hated it, but doubled down on the hatred afterwards by saying it's the only reason the series died.
It's certainly the reason I dropped the series.
I remember trying to watch the whole thing, to get a tiny feel of what Yuki went through. I could barely handle 7, and poor Yuki had to do it over 15k times! It’s no wonder she eventually snapped 😭
Wait, she snapped? Wasnt that the movie?
@@hendeyjagger7489 the events of the movie was caused by what happened in endless 8
@@JuicedLeaf I watched that years ago. Yeah, I forgot, okay?
@@JuicedLeaf thx
@@JuicedLeaf It's implied there were some other factors but yeah Endless 8 was a major contributing factor for Yuki Nagato evolving and getting emotions which led to disappearance and some interesting stories post disappearance.
"I screamed when Kyon-kun finally said he didn't do his homework"
What on earth goes on in this show??
Haruhi Suzumia is an odd girl who hates her boring life and is obsessed with trying to meet an otherworldly being like an alien, a time traveler or an esper so she can have fun with them. She starts a club at school called the SOS Brigade to try and find one and ropes in some other students to help her.
However, she is completely unaware that the classmates she picked were ACTUALLY an alien, a time traveler and an esper all in disguise and who have a mission to monitor Haruhi as she supposedly has a hidden power that could change the universe
And yes believe it not doing homework is what frees them from a 595 year long time loop.
Not homework apparently
The main plot about Haruhi Suzumiya is that the titular protagonist, desperately wants to be the protagonist of an anime/manga. The irony being that she's the only one in her group that's unaware that she already is, to an extent.
She was the cause of the time loop because she subconciously wanted to tick all of the classic "Summer holiday" tropes, including doing your homework together with friends, since nobody would do that, she would unknowinly reset the universe until they ticked that box.
Imagine watching an haruhi video and yet never seeing the actual anime lmao
@@Furubatsu cuz she is god... im not even kidding...
The endless eight is a lovecraftian horror made manifest.
Yeah, actual psychological horror, and even duress.
Shorewall more like psychological mindfuck
On one hand, it really immerses you into the time loop. I mean, imagine how Nagato felt after 638 years of that. Plus it shows how hopeless the situation is and really drives home how it's not just a short montage, but years and years of the same 2 weeks. On the other hand, I understand how waiting 2 months for what was (essentially) the same episode over and over would break your love for a series
I actually got a weirdly masochistic pleasure out of this arc. One day I had to finish a huge programming assignment that'd I'd procrastinated (like with every assignment...), and for some reason I decided that the best way to take breaks from coding was to watch the endless eight while running in place (that's how I got my exercise when the weather was shitty). I started around 4 PM, and kept going until about 8 AM the next day when the assignment was due. Suffice it to say that between the lack of sleep, coding, coffee, self-loathing, and binging episodes of the endless eight, I was a mental case by the time morning rolled around. You know that weird mind state where anything and everything is hilarious? That was me for about 12 hours straight, watching the endless eight--the entire thing at once... I just couldn't believe they actually had the balls to recycle the same damn episode eight times in a row, and I was tickled to death by it. To me, the endless eight represents one of the most memorable nights/mornings of my life. I can't really say it was fun, but it was hilarious. XD
Plot twist: KyoAni just wanted Endless Eight to be an effective means of getting everyone to do their homework
I absolutely loathe computer coding with a fiery passion that can barely be described with words except perhaps mindnumbingly tedious and boring. However; I hated Endless 8 WORSE Than Coding and at least computer code can actually be useful...
I’m a procrastinator too like I thought I was irredeemable and hopeless, but you… I hope I don’t ever reach your level of procrastination. I’m praying for you 🙏
the only way to watch endless 8 lmao
Curious how it would’ve turned out if you were watching the original Evangelion instead …
The Endless Eight Arc was so frustrating, Yuki gave herself emotions just to express how terrible it was!
Emergency Patch!
XD
Yes that sums it up so well.
People who believe that Endless Eight was a good idea haven't suffered through it while it was airing.
Or a friend that recommended the anime to you and didn't tell you about it being a loop and lied to you till you skipped ahead LMAO so I kinda feel your pain.
I can confirm that in theory I think it is a clever idea and I was not mad at it only because I could skip it until the torture ended.
That being said, it was still a very stupid idea. 8 weeks of the same thing?? Of course people would be mad!
I honestly love the endless eight.
It got me to stop procrastinating with my homework.
I agree, I first watched Haruhi years afterwards, knowing that Endless Eight was a thing, and knowing which episode to skip to if I got sick of it, and I thought it was great.
But I imagine having no choice and just having it dropped on you would be crap.
It was a good idea for the people animating it I suppose. Less effort, less money spent, even if money and time were not really a problem for them thanks to the massive success of the anime... and massive patience their audience had.
I just binged it. I felt like I was slowly going crazy but I felt soooo happy and satisfied when it ended.
TL;DR : Endless eight is both the dumbest and the most genius thing ever happened in anime
It'd be genius if making the fans hate the show was the point, but I doubt that was the plan.
@@WonderSparkPuppets1 Making people frustrated was the point, but I think the satisfaction of it ending was more of the point.
@@WonderSparkPuppets1 I don't know. Even from the first season I'm pretty sure the whole point of that anime was to make the most unlikable protagonist possible. Haruhi has absolutely no redeeming qualities and if you watched the actual first 6 episodes in order instead of airing order it would be even more apparent. The endless 8 is just doubling down on seeing how much bullshit otaku will put up with for "fanservice."
@@mr.stuffdoer8483 There's a limit to everything, there's a point where people get too frustrated and you can ruin your show, which clearly happened with this 2nd season. Like it would also be frustrating to watch basically the same ep 100 times but would you even care about it anymore? You just become too frustrated and annoyed and you drop it. Maybe if they would've done it for like 3 eps it would've worked, but what they did was a HUGE loss and people calling it "genius" only find it funny now years later and have no idea what "genius" means. If ruining your show and annoying fans so much that they drop the show is "genius" then oh boy
@@miuletzmitzu6641 I wasn’t the one who called it genius. And also, opinions are a thing which means no debate is actually worth bothering with.
Imagine you wake up tomorrow and its 2009,and Endless Eight Ep 1 just aired.
HOLLY FUCK I CAN GO OUTSIDE AGAIN, I NEED TO GET MY LIFE TOGHETHER
Does it reset after 8 years or a day
You're now trapped in the Endless Eight Yourself
No
Oh no
"Endless Eight is either a stroke of genius or a waste of time"
I remember how KyoAni made feel in Kyon's skin, all nervous and lost, really wishing he could remember what was lacking to break the cycle E V E R Y T I M E, just to go back to bed after, faithless and without any hopes left at the end of each episode, imagining if next week he'd nail it. It was a dense and frustrating feeling.
And then, when you watch Dissapearance, and realize
"oh my god.
It was all about Yuki".
@@SirEriol I cried for Yuki after watching Disappearence; I'd probably still feel moved about the movie regardless; but having -watched- endured Endless8 (and being in the shoes of Yuki for 8 eps).... the accumulated feels got to me.
2:05: How Endless Eight Became one of the Most Hated Arcs in Anime History
10:36: While Endless Eight Aired
24:12: After Endless Eight Aired
35:16: Epilogue
I became an anime fan post Haruhi, so this interesting history, lol. I was alive during the age of Haruhism, I was just a wee lad who didn't know what anime was.
I have an interesting case since I became an anime fan post-Haruhi but it was close enough to it and there were some outside factors that meant that Haruhi was one of the first animes I ever watched. After getting into the light novels the series is honestly my favourite light novel/japanese manga/anime series.
@@U1TR4F0RCE That's interesting. I never tried school anime until I was a junior in high school, so I never gave Haruhi a serious thought until then. I started watching it recently, and I don't really see the hype, but I've resolved to give a it a chance.
@@MechaDragonX I only found out about anime and manga really as it's own thing when I was 12 so I started watching shows about high schoolers just as I started middle school.
@@U1TR4F0RCE I got into it about then, but I refused to watch school anime on a principle of finding the focus on girls perverted and not being ok with romance. Both views were immature in retrospect.
I was a weeb graduating high school during this and I feel ANCIENT
Pain: MY PAIN IS FAR GREATER THAN YOURS.
Yuki: You have said that statement 15,953 times.
Kinda why he's named that!
@@hitkid2456
The point of the comment was that Yuki's pain and torment during Endless Eight is far greater than Pain's pain could ever be.
Also...... I get why UA-cam can show 0 views on a video that has likes/dislikes and comments, but I don't get how you were able to post a comment 2 weeks ago at the time of me writing this as a response to a comment that is labeled at "1 week ago" at time of writing.
The endless eight arc should have done so with different perspectives from the other characters instead of kyon
That would've made it infinitely more torelable for the majority
But it won't be haruhi suzumiya series anymore, the point of this series is portrayed with episode 00 and we see through kyon
Exactly what Rakasiwiii fiddihaq said.
This should have stayed true to the original, pacing included. Don't re-write other peoples' stories, especially if you don't get the point.
Haruhi is about building up witty twists and trope jokes that require to think outside the box. Simply showing a slice of life scene from eight perspectives doesn't cut it.
That sounds pretty cool.
This arc was so infamous that, despite literally never hearing about Melanholy of Haruihi, I _still_ somehow maneged to stumble upon it. I don't even remember _how_ that happened. It must've been due to a passing mention or something.
I remember LIVING THIS with my little brother. We had only gotten into Anime a few years earlier, maybe 2006. Everyone LOVED Haruhi, season 2 was such an anticipated mystery. It was THE biggest most HYPED expected anime at the time. I remember all the marketing clues, the fake error'd website, etc. Then, it happened. Season 2 was out! We watched it the moment we could, once a week every week, when it aired and got fansubs. It turned into 8 grueling weeks of repetition. 8 weeks of fans going nuts, theories everywhere. And, in the end? Only disappointment. No big reveal, no clever ending, endless 8, simply... Just ended. Leaving us with only a few episodes left of season 2, which were okay, that we had already waited years on. What a WASTE. Then that was it, nothing more, we got one movie and one of the most beloved Animes just dropped off the face of the earth and it's following took a huge hit. It brought me great sadness we never got more animated Haruhi. We, my brother and I, and probably others, felt trolled and cheated. Here's to hoping for a good season 2 over a decade later.
Hey I mean a new book dropped after forever, maybe they're thinking about relaunching the series
@@discospider4120 idk, I wouldn't watch it lol. Or I would wait to the season after to see if they pull this again.
Bruh you just don't know how to appreciate endless 8, to me it's the most memorable part of the entire series, and one I gladly rewatch. Only the movie is better, I think.
Watched the whole video and still couldn’t figure out what this anime is actually about
same i had to look it up!! i don’t think i’d ever watch it but interesting video nonetheless
endless eight is exactly what its about. you can just watch that first and get the gist of the whole thing.
I remember thinking about watching it but still not understanding it maybe this was why
The video doesn't not talking about the anime itself, it's talking about the infamous endless eight
its about a girl who doesn't know she's God who can will things into existence subconsciously
Huge props for pointing out why Haruhi faded, it really was just the lack of new Light Novels. I read a really excellent essay a couple of years back that pulled a huge number of poll and sales figures from shortly after season 2 and the Aya hub-bub and it demonstrated pretty soundly that Haruhi was absolutely still hot as hell even after all that and people were definitely hungry for more.
If anything it's all the more impressive it retains that luster even now. I never watched Haruhi, but as a fan of a different ailing franchise with a devoted following I absolutely wish them all the best and hope they get something nice.
I remember when this happened. My naive child brain sat there and watched all 8 episodes hoping that hey maybe the next will have something happen. Oh man the amount of free time I had and my love for anime at the time was the only reason I sat through them. Now it's a badge of.... honor? Something.
Knowing about how anime studios has problems with money, this is the worst kind of flex.
Given the likely context of why they made it, it was probably a better choice.
An arc that was supposed to be in the season was turned into a movie, but now they needed something to fill in 8 episodes of the season. Something cheap that wouldn’t take too much time to make.
@@Penguinmanereikel Doing Endless Eight this way might've saved some time, but it would by no means be cheap. The only thing they'd really be saving by doing Endless Eight how they did is scripting time. Since every episode of Endless Eight has different camera angles, clothes, etc they'd still need to spend the same amount of time and money on storyboarding and animation, plus whatever other aspects of production (like VO or sound) they might have chosen to redo, and that's where a lot of the time and most of the money in animation is going to go.
@@12thLevelSithLord I honestly would rather they cut the season short, and explain that it was going to be in the movie. The movie was so good, and Endless Eight so bad, that this would have been far better than what happened. :D
@@Penguinmanereikel but it wasn't cheap at all, ALL of the animations are NEW, ALL of the voice acting are new. MONEY STILL SPENT.
@aprendizmetalero666 Yikes
Endless Eight part 1
Endless Eight part 2
Endless Eight part 3
Endless Eight part 4
Endless Eight part 5
Endless Eight part 6
Endless Eight part 7
Endless Eight part 8
"Korega REQUIEM da"
"Wha..?! Wha..?! Wha..?!"
Diavolo died during this
Endless Eight Monotony
Endless Eight Duology
Eight Thriple Threat
Endless Eight 4ever Haruhu
Endless Eight Pentagon
Eight is Unendable
People who make JoJo references in unrelated anime don't even watch JoJo. Change my mind.
Imagine how many retakes the voice actors had to do for this arc.
Probably none by the end. Im sure their sessions for the last two episodes went almost perfectly. After 6 other episodes of the same lines it had to be lol
BoJack: “I’m tired of going around in circles”
I didn't skip endless 8. Like a true piece of art, sometimes it's too uncomfortable to see, and that's the whole point.
Damn people broke their Haruhi figures over it
They do realize they already bought it right lol
EXACTLY
And?
@@Marian_Polnocny ?
@@Marian_Polnocny and? They just paid for a figure and then just break it? What are you gonna get from that
Ah, the predecessor to the Nike and Guillette freakouts
Us: "2020 can't get any worse..."
2020: *Neverending Nine*
November: allow me to introduce myself
OH GOD
TIMELESS TEN
Eternal Eleven
@@Nadia1989 nonstop no nut november
No one: "How tough are you?"
Me: "I watched the 'endless eight' arc in one sitting."
Not gonna lie, I actually did this. Thought it was time well spent and a hilarious stroke of genius. Knowing the behind the scenes stuff now though, this arc remains... intriguing.
I'd argue binge-watching endless eight is actually far more bearable than for those who were watching it over weeks, continually anticipating th cycle to break just to be disappointed yet again.
@@LinkEX True that not knowing that the next episode would repeat the last, and having to wait weeks in between, would be worse, but to fair even when I was binge watching I didn't know they were the endless eight. I hadn't read the manga, and the episodes weren't labeled until the title screen in episode, I just thought there was a problem with them being uploaded multiple times. I started paying attention to the little differences and trying to figure out why this was happening and what it would lead towards, wondering how many episodes it would be. I think by the third time the theme song finished and it said "Endless Eight part 3" I realized it would continue until it actually hit eight. But I was still determined to see them all.
For literally no reason.
Might do it again.
I actually did that, still regretting it, since I could've done something somehow productive instead
For a terrifying moment, thought you meant that you sat in front of the TV for a couple months, watching it all as it came out, in one sitting.
Just had to come back and give this video a good rewatch. What a great nosedive into one of the strangest and most fascinating experiences I've seen from an anime. Once again, wonderful work.
I like the fact that this is posted just in time before the first four Endless Eight are next in line for r/anime Haruhi Suzumiya Rewatch, perhaps a mere coincidence?
link?
Wait, they're gonna watch all 8 of them?
@@tannertadlock7741 4 episodes placed under one day, I have to catch up, haven't got much free time due to exams. Maybe some will actually watch all four, some may not, I don't think it's that strict
[Edit:- Just wanted to add(no edits on the upper text itself), I saw on the post for Endless Eight episodes, while no one is forced to watch all eight, it's recommended to understand the movie, Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya.]
@@tannertadlock7741 So the answer in short is, no
(refer to the reply I made just now if confused)
[Edit:- "of" is replaced by "if", "of" was a typo, sorry about that]
People comparing Endless Eight to 2020: keep in mind that 2020 actually had exciting things happen. December isn’t the same as March or April at all. The comparison doesn’t really hold.
@Gen M
just wait until the year resets
@@chongwillson972 after the 8th reset, December 32nd happens...
Keep in mind EE ended with pure satisfaction. 2020 ends and then the hell just... goes on longer.
@Spicy Chocobo Zapdos When 397th of 2020 December ends, we go back to December 32nd, 2020.
There is an alternate timeline where Johnny Young-Bosch voiced Haruhi.
No that’s wrong! I’ll cut through those words!
Haruhi: Did that bastard just call me dead weight?
Haruhi: "Lemme guess, I'm dead weight? Well you can shove that right up your-"
Can't wait for the next video, I think this is the third time I've come back to this vid hoping there was another upload to the channel
I saw a reddit post that said the endless eight was supposed to put us in yukis shoes because she went through it 15,000 times or what not so us getting pissed about it after going through it 8 times shows how tedious and annoying it is so it was supposed to connect with the movie and help us understand as to why yuki wanted to end the world.
Wait, I thought in the movie she wanted to be a normal girl
You can still be a normal girl and end the world
Yes it was crucial. The eight episodes let you experienced what yuki experienced. The same event over and over again. People still talk about the endless eight now. The viewer were ment to experience ever miserable moments of the endless eight.
@@EvilBartXD but werent animes supposed to be for wish-fulfillment
@@richraichu1370 what do you mean? Can you tell me how it was wish fulfillment?
I was young, I didn’t know enough, and watched 6 episodes of endless 8 to understand that the subtle differences weren’t worth the waisting away and the disappointment of watching the same thing again, and again, and again, and again, and again.
This was last year, not knowing of the endless 8 before hand, ruined my life till this day. Only now from this video have I found slight acceptance, understanding for the first time that it was the director’s intention to make me go insane, but still, if it’s so bad to make that it makes you, the creator insane, then why do it in the first place?
Some want to watch the world burn, but this man wants it to freeze over...
what
Uhh
The director didn't want to do endless 8 though, I thought you watched the video?
@@beyondtrash1627 it was an ‘artistic decision’, if not made by the director, then who?
@@beyondtrash1627 Yes he did, the whole staff did. The guy who apologized wasn't part of the team anymore and had no involvement in endless eight, and the actual team came out and said he had no relation to them anymore when that happened.
They knew very well what they were doing and they knew it was good
The chapter on the light novel: about 50 pages. The anime adaption: 8 episodes. Perfect logic.
It's like the Hobbit movies
Kyoto Animation is a sell-out studio, and still is… depending on who you talk to.
I love this arc so much, imagine being the voice actors or animators and being told "nice job now do that 7 more times"
Nobody: "Covid won't last that long"
Covid:
HhhhhHHHHHHHH
RiiiGGHHT!!! 😭
The Endless 8 literally made
me despair. What did the creators think?
And why is the Light Novel not yet animated yet?
It's not like the show has nothinig more to cover left!!
When is one of the best anime ever made going to continue?
Or is that question not allowed??
I'm in despair! The endless month of COVID quarantine have left me in despair!
You take that back
It’s a time loop arc, right?
Imagine LIVING that...
I personally i think this was genius move, they actually made the viewers feel what it was like to be in a "seemingly infinite" loop, props to the creators.
That's why I can never hate the arc. I _did_ have to take my time and spend one day on only one or two episodes, when normally I binge through an entire series, so as to not lose my mind. But I _loved_ the frustrating impression it left -- you really _are_ getting a sense for just how surreal and awful it is.
And it makes The Disappearance of Suzumiya Haruhi so much more poignant. It just doesn't compare how you feel about that movie if you've seen and been through the arc, or not, I feel.
But I won't ever tell anyone "you NEED to watch the EE" -- it's something you have to sign up for, willingly. xD
How about we make it worse. An endless timeloop where you're stuck watching endless 8
@@AmberMetallicScorpion And then... And then... It's a hall of mirrors!!
Yeah that about sums it up for me
I love Haruhi, but being perfectly honest, I can't say I wouldn't be pissed if I was watching the anime as it aired.
When this was aired in the Philippines, I thought our local channel was not able to acquire the next episodes or they have not finished dubbing it (it happened to Tora!Dora! before). The series was aired daily so we don't have to wait that long but I lost patience and stopped watching. Not until a friend told me (he watched the series online 6 months prior) that it was really like that for 8 episodes. 😂😂😂