Quick correction: The size of tubing inserted into the recoil buffer is 5/16" outer diameter, not 5/8" as stated in the video. Sorry for the confusion.
In my tri-shot shotgun Cyma I made the so-called Teflonfix on the inner barrels. The bucking seal with the inner barrel was poor to say the least. Additionally, a bit of Teflon tape wrapped around the bucking acted as a HU pressure (hu nub), thanks to which I could use heavier BBs due to the stronger bucking pressure after assembling the chamber. Now at 0.28g-0.30g my spring shotgun shoots easily at 50-55m. Previously, barely at 35-40m. I assume that it would also help in Saiga TM, or at least it wouldn't hurt ;) after all, the solution for connecting the HU bucking to the internal barrels is the same as in spring salt shakers ;) .
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Gentlemen, this is how you do a review of a gun, mods included. Bravo.
I think it’s cause he appeals to older airsofters rather than appealing to kids or what’s most popular. He doesn’t try to get the most views by making the usual content like cheater drama with hyper dramatic thumbnails and titles, he stays in his lane making incredibly informative videos on niche topics or reviews on expensive guns few can afford. Just honest respectable good quality content you can’t find anywhere else.
I like the smaller channels more in every aspect. They put more work into their videos and with more work I mean actually quality content that is self made, geniune (granted a lot are hyped about new toys but it's still a geniune opinion). Larger channels become commercialized, more sponsors, more things they have to be careful about what they upload because they have sponsors or even marketing companies behind them etc. Smaller channels upload every crap they want to and that appeals to me way more than those slick marketing videos of bigger channels.
I have been wanting to go back to the good old times and get back to airsoft and that's when I stumble upon a goldmine of information about gas rifles, shotguns and pistols. Bloody amazing channel.
Amazing Review man! Really appreciate the in depth review that covers all the details we need to know! Amazing work! Really appreciate all the hard work!
It is such a shame that my local field wont allow gas shotguns, because I would love to buy one of these to use. Thanks again for another excellent review! Always a pleasure to watch your reviews.
Sadly, because some asshats use Joule creep mechanics to their advantage, and shotguns are not easy to chrono. That's what I heard in my area. I blame the assholes that are always trying to bend the rules
NOW THIS is how you do a review…. The attention to detail from start to finish was fantastic.. made it easy for me to decide whether or not to make the purchase! Thank you.
This is exactly the type of review I was looking for. I wish more reviews were done this well! I also really hope you have plenty more on the way. Such thoroughness is to be valued to the highest degree
The 33/2 mold number is incorrect for a civilian Saiga ; but it’s just Marui reusing the mold from their AKM pistol grip, just with a different plastic infill :) 33/2 is correct for the 1975 Ijmash they replicate.
Man 1:40 really brought back some childhood memories. I can still hear the sonic music playing right after that! 😂. Fantasic video, on a gun i want so damn bad lol
Being in Japan recently, it was a pleasure to see this thing in person. The price was very reasonable too at around 50000 yen so good on them for not overcharging. Can’t say the same about the NGRS line now tho holy shit they’ve gone up.
I really love the quality of your content, and the weapon appropriate music like stalker in this vid is a really nice touch, looking forward to more content from you!
Without a doubt the best review on the TM Saiga, I’ve just received mine a week ago, and I’m already excited to fully deck mine out and properly field it once it’s ready. It’s now my fav piece within my whole airsoft collection and its performance is truly remarkable. 🔫🔥
I am glad I subscribed, you smashed this review out of the park. The break down of every detail is fantastic and you go above and beyond in terms of the very technical side of things, love that you even do custom work and share the results.
The review we wanted, but not the one we deserved! Thank you for going through such great detail, especially on the externals! You answered almost every single one of my questions. Are all the pinhead screws essential for dissassembly? I guess the side-rail ones aren't, but I can see the front trunnion's are. If I get one I'd be modding most of those screws to look like rivets, as that is pretty much the major thing, that is ruining an otherwise pretty authentic aesthetic 👌
Hi. Nice video. I brought mine to a forest game 2 days ago, it was insanely fun to play and some of my pal were flabbergasted by the range I could hit them (I use .28 BBs and 130 PSI green gas). You guys are so lucky to have quite easily access to handguards and so forth, I've tried placing an order to a US shop and the part was 40$, shipping + tax were 80$ XD . I'm gonna wait for airsoft parts, it is quite fun to play right out of the box even if it is a bit too "hunty-looking". Cheers from France.
For anyone who plays in a dusty environment, the mags HATE dust. After every game i have to clean the bb feed track woth q tips or else the mags will not feed, even with a stretched spring. A third party magazine is a MUST for dusty fields, the aw drum adapter is a dream for the gun.
the fun part is, what you did to make the saiga full auto is how real AKs function. the middle position just straight up holds the disconnector while the auto sear still works, that's it.
These in-depth reviews are absolutely amazing! I had been on the fence about adding a TM Saiga to my collection, but this seem to have tilted me over to the buy side, so thank you. I am however also the happy owner of the Tokyo Marui Type 89 (para), which seem to run just as you'd expect from a Tokyo Marui, but I'd love to see what you guys have to say about it, and if you have any improvements on it.
Incredible video as always, been looking forward to this one! Excited to start modding mine, wonder how much stress we'd put on the system by increasing the weight of the piston..!
I noticed you posted a picture of a HPA drum mag for this thing on Reddit. Any chance that you will post a video about that? I'm currently in the process of also building a drum mag, but I have a hard time finding auto-winding magazines that have an automatic shut-off. They either keep winding indefinitely, or you have to manually wind them with a button. The only exception I found is the drum magazine for the G&G MG42 that actually does switch off when full and then starts winding again when BB's are fired, but that magazine is 90 bucks... Edit: I ended up using the winding mechanism from a cheap drum mag (a high-cap winding mechanism with a gearbox attached in the hex opening where you would normally insert a winding key). Using an Arduino Nano and two IR sensors, I measure the difference in rotations between the winding wheel and the feed wheel, and make sure there is always a difference of 3 rotations. If the difference is less, this means the motor will keep winding until the spring is wound 3 turns and then stop. After 20 rounds have been fed into the hop-up, the feed wheel will have made a full rotation and the winding wheel will make an extra turn to wind the spring back to a total of 3 rotations. Works very well and is relatively cheap!
Airsoft's come a long way since my day... well I say that, Marui is still making overly complex stuff that works perfectly so long as you don't take it apart and let the magic marui fairy dust out XD This should have been the perfect airsoft gat for me, I'd have jumped at this, thankfully your review has shown me quite clearly that I'd entirely wreck those magazines, far too fragile. Fantastic vid!
Fragile is too harsh of a word for it. They're not fragile, you'll just quickly reap the consequences if you try to force them the wrong way. Or mistreat them.
@@CLODXJ6 Oh my friend, you do not understand! I'm from a long forgotten site called Electrowerkz, any story I tell would sound like boasting. We ran hard, we destroyed kit, anything that couldn't keep up with us was cast aside. Those mags would not survive me :D.
For SBS version, seems Marui went with weaker springs and replaced previously metal elements with plastic in some potentially high touch areas around the trigger guard (?). So, thinking this is the better model to buy…? Hmmm
The mag loading issue is the exact same on the real one. I used to own one as well as multiple aks and the seiga is just wierd with mag fit as well as the rock and lock
What size external O-ring is on the nozzle mentioned at timestamp 16:11 in the video? I blew mine off running the gun on 90psi HPA and was looking for a replacement. Seemed to run fine without it, but noticed +/- 10 fps variance from 270 fps with .25g bbs.
Okay I don't know if I'm just going crazy but I swear to God I can hear the Metro 2033 original sound track in the background. All the music is from Metro. You even used the acoustic guitar sound track that's played by the npc. I know the entire metro sound track too well 😂😂😂. But this is the best review of this gun. I want this and the full auto mod is the first thing I'm doing to it
@@ExplosiveEnterprises great, finally I got a clear information on that. I see recoil and faster cycling as advantageous, so I will short strike my gbb so much, that the slide catch still works. I assume I need a hard material to short stroke, to maximize the felt recoil? Could you make more videos on general information, tuning and so on that applies to most gbbs? I am lacking knowledge on these. I really liked you winterization video, it helped me a lot.
Now TM should be able to release a benelli M4 GBBS i guess 🤞 Have you the reference of the spacer for the side folding stock? Since google is a bit messy with 5mm tall spacer 🤐😥
The inner diameter isn't critical, anything 13/64" or wider will work, and it can be up to about 10mm or 3/8" in outer diameter. Part number 92871A040 on McMaster-Carr is a drop-in fit.
question ! ,, :) MOST TM gbbrs are made for 134a gas .. have you used green gas , and how is the performance ? any issues or damage to the internals ? / seals ect .. ? thanks :)
12kg 'green gas' is just propane in a fancy bottle, so yes. We recommend reinforcing the buffer for long-term use in warmer climates as shown in the video, but otherwise it seems good to go.
I just got mine but the barrel isn’t centered on mine :( it looks like it’s bent to the right. Do you think that adjusting them is possible by just popping the gas block pins out and re aligning it?
im using haley strategic D3CR Heavy as saiga magazine carrier, its perfect fit. a friend of mine using ferro turnover triple 7.62 pouch insert, its ok too.
How do you just remove the outer barrel to change for a shorter version from FCW? Is that what you mention at 13.49? Is there a way to simply unscrew it after removing the screw under the front handguard? Without removing the inner barrel? Thank you so much for your help!
Bit late, but anyway: remove the handguard, unscrew the sight rail, punch out the pins in the gas block that hold the barrel in place, and remove the hex screws in both the gas block and the trunnion. After that the barrel unscrews and you can slide it off the inner barrels without removing those. The consistent rotation of the inner barrels mentioned in the review is a result of the O-ring around the inner barrels rubbing against the outer barrel while it was screwed in from the factory. You will find the inner barrels can twist back to a proper vertical position if you mount a shorter outer barrel and rotate the inner barrels by hand afterwards.
Quick correction: The size of tubing inserted into the recoil buffer is 5/16" outer diameter, not 5/8" as stated in the video. Sorry for the confusion.
In my tri-shot shotgun Cyma I made the so-called Teflonfix on the inner barrels. The bucking seal with the inner barrel was poor to say the least. Additionally, a bit of Teflon tape wrapped around the bucking acted as a HU pressure (hu nub), thanks to which I could use heavier BBs due to the stronger bucking pressure after assembling the chamber. Now at 0.28g-0.30g my spring shotgun shoots easily at 50-55m. Previously, barely at 35-40m. I assume that it would also help in Saiga TM, or at least it wouldn't hurt ;) after all, the solution for connecting the HU bucking to the internal barrels is the same as in spring salt shakers ;) .
Gentlemen, this is how you do a review of a gun, mods included. Bravo.
The fact that you caught the Marui writing on the gun is very funny and highly impressive!
how do you guys make the best reviews i have ever seen and only have 5k subs it aint fair
because he won't sell out to crap shovelers like evike or novshit
I think it’s cause he appeals to older airsofters rather than appealing to kids or what’s most popular. He doesn’t try to get the most views by making the usual content like cheater drama with hyper dramatic thumbnails and titles, he stays in his lane making incredibly informative videos on niche topics or reviews on expensive guns few can afford. Just honest respectable good quality content you can’t find anywhere else.
@@knowtheplan472 absolutely!
Double the sub count now
I like the smaller channels more in every aspect. They put more work into their videos and with more work I mean actually quality content that is self made, geniune (granted a lot are hyped about new toys but it's still a geniune opinion). Larger channels become commercialized, more sponsors, more things they have to be careful about what they upload because they have sponsors or even marketing companies behind them etc. Smaller channels upload every crap they want to and that appeals to me way more than those slick marketing videos of bigger channels.
Why is this channel so good, I can't afford to keep watching
nothing quite beats that Tokyo Marui "it just works" feeling. My M3 Super 90 has over 20 years of use, and just keeps working!
Yep, leave it alone, and the Marui magic inside stays inside - mostly ;)
Boy bet that thing is worth some big bucks. Sweet gun!
I have been wanting to go back to the good old times and get back to airsoft and that's when I stumble upon a goldmine of information about gas rifles, shotguns and pistols. Bloody amazing channel.
This channel is criminally underrated
Amazing Review man! Really appreciate the in depth review that covers all the details we need to know! Amazing work! Really appreciate all the hard work!
Amazing work as usual! With such a detailed and in depth review, Marui should be sponsoring the video!
It is such a shame that my local field wont allow gas shotguns, because I would love to buy one of these to use. Thanks again for another excellent review! Always a pleasure to watch your reviews.
Then buy it just for the fun of it. I have plenty of those guns too. Like a 1.4J Desert Eagle, yeah, that's not seeing a game any time soon.
Sadly, because some asshats use Joule creep mechanics to their advantage, and shotguns are not easy to chrono.
That's what I heard in my area.
I blame the assholes that are always trying to bend the rules
@pjclumsy4157for real
@pjclumsy4157I understand co2 restrictions but green gas is straight ridiculous
Your local field sounds like its run by fudd's.
This is the most in depth review I have ever seen. I feel ashamed for not finding your content sooner. Subbed.
NOW THIS is how you do a review…. The attention to detail from start to finish was fantastic.. made it easy for me to decide whether or not to make the purchase! Thank you.
This is exactly the type of review I was looking for. I wish more reviews were done this well! I also really hope you have plenty more on the way. Such thoroughness is to be valued to the highest degree
I'm not even interested in airsoft but this review is really good. This man knows his saigas.
"It just works."
So glad to see Todd and Bethesda branching out!
The 33/2 mold number is incorrect for a civilian Saiga ; but it’s just Marui reusing the mold from their AKM pistol grip, just with a different plastic infill :) 33/2 is correct for the 1975 Ijmash they replicate.
Thanks for the info!
Thank you for this extensive review. It’s always an excellent day when your stuff pops up 🙏
Man 1:40 really brought back some childhood memories. I can still hear the sonic music playing right after that! 😂. Fantasic video, on a gun i want so damn bad lol
I've really enjoy the background music durring "History and Identity", pretty good Stalker vibes !!
One of the best reviews i've seen, that's profesional, informed and with knowledge of what he's talking about
Being in Japan recently, it was a pleasure to see this thing in person. The price was very reasonable too at around 50000 yen so good on them for not overcharging. Can’t say the same about the NGRS line now tho holy shit they’ve gone up.
I really love the quality of your content, and the weapon appropriate music like stalker in this vid is a really nice touch, looking forward to more content from you!
Without a doubt the best review on the TM Saiga, I’ve just received mine a week ago, and I’m already excited to fully deck mine out and properly field it once it’s ready. It’s now my fav piece within my whole airsoft collection and its performance is truly remarkable. 🔫🔥
Just got mine, so i had to watch this again to refresh on all the invaluable knowledge distilled in the form of Catgut sentences. Thanks.
Welp i got a lemon, bit sad, but it happens even with tm apparently
This is the best TM Saiga12k reviews
I am glad I subscribed, you smashed this review out of the park. The break down of every detail is fantastic and you go above and beyond in terms of the very technical side of things, love that you even do custom work and share the results.
So the Marui Saiga is a roller locked system? :D
This is the best breakdown and run through thus far. Thank you Good sirs!
Spot on Review, just everything you need and not random blabla. Well done Sir
New video from EE? Grabs a seat, kicks feat up and enjoys!
Love your content man! Great work as always!
You've already made me want to build the Colt LMG, get a Desert Eagle, and now you make me want a Saiga
Incredible in depth review!
Such a great review! I'd love to see a review of the WE M14, that would be really interesting
Just earned yourself a new subscriber because of your attention to detail and effort of research. 🔬
Amazing review, thanks for the thorough stuff, it was a pleasure to watch.
I love the vibe of this videos, you are the gunsmith of airsoft
Love the S.T.A.L.K.E.R music in the background
and the stalker call of pripyat fight theme in the intro nice
thanks for pronouncing the saiga right, respect
The review we wanted, but not the one we deserved!
Thank you for going through such great detail, especially on the externals! You answered almost every single one of my questions. Are all the pinhead screws essential for dissassembly? I guess the side-rail ones aren't, but I can see the front trunnion's are. If I get one I'd be modding most of those screws to look like rivets, as that is pretty much the major thing, that is ruining an otherwise pretty authentic aesthetic 👌
This is premium reviewing !
Holy shit.
Now this is a review.
Hi. Nice video. I brought mine to a forest game 2 days ago, it was insanely fun to play and some of my pal were flabbergasted by the range I could hit them (I use .28 BBs and 130 PSI green gas). You guys are so lucky to have quite easily access to handguards and so forth, I've tried placing an order to a US shop and the part was 40$, shipping + tax were 80$ XD . I'm gonna wait for airsoft parts, it is quite fun to play right out of the box even if it is a bit too "hunty-looking". Cheers from France.
STALKER music in the background is a solid choice and addition
11:21 "3.6 - not great, not terrible" great Chernobyl reference
I was going to comment that !
Great review. Used system sounds similar to G3's rolling block so interesting.
Excellent video as always
Its interesting that they went with a large nozzle bore spliced into 3 nozzles. It gives me some insight into how i may improve my HPA'ed AA-12 build.
Definitely looks like we could put an adjustable hop in this too.
Absolute chad for using stalker guitar soundtracks. Bravo!
Damn, I took that Albert 01 portion personally
Wow! Such a great review!
Top notch as always. Love u work.
Excellent video. I'm very appreciateive of your dissasembly of it
For anyone who plays in a dusty environment, the mags HATE dust. After every game i have to clean the bb feed track woth q tips or else the mags will not feed, even with a stretched spring. A third party magazine is a MUST for dusty fields, the aw drum adapter is a dream for the gun.
Another banger of a video Catgut n Team
The mag issues are the same on the real saiga. Glad to see that it translates well to airsoft
the fun part is, what you did to make the saiga full auto is how real AKs function.
the middle position just straight up holds the disconnector while the auto sear still works, that's it.
These in-depth reviews are absolutely amazing!
I had been on the fence about adding a TM Saiga to my collection, but this seem to have tilted me over to the buy side, so thank you.
I am however also the happy owner of the Tokyo Marui Type 89 (para), which seem to run just as you'd expect from a Tokyo Marui, but I'd love to see what you guys have to say about it, and if you have any improvements on it.
Amazing review!
Incredible video as always, been looking forward to this one! Excited to start modding mine, wonder how much stress we'd put on the system by increasing the weight of the piston..!
What an excellent review.
I noticed you posted a picture of a HPA drum mag for this thing on Reddit. Any chance that you will post a video about that?
I'm currently in the process of also building a drum mag, but I have a hard time finding auto-winding magazines that have an automatic shut-off. They either keep winding indefinitely, or you have to manually wind them with a button.
The only exception I found is the drum magazine for the G&G MG42 that actually does switch off when full and then starts winding again when BB's are fired, but that magazine is 90 bucks...
Edit: I ended up using the winding mechanism from a cheap drum mag (a high-cap winding mechanism with a gearbox attached in the hex opening where you would normally insert a winding key). Using an Arduino Nano and two IR sensors, I measure the difference in rotations between the winding wheel and the feed wheel, and make sure there is always a difference of 3 rotations. If the difference is less, this means the motor will keep winding until the spring is wound 3 turns and then stop. After 20 rounds have been fed into the hop-up, the feed wheel will have made a full rotation and the winding wheel will make an extra turn to wind the spring back to a total of 3 rotations. Works very well and is relatively cheap!
Guys, it was great. Thank you very much!)
Airsoft's come a long way since my day... well I say that, Marui is still making overly complex stuff that works perfectly so long as you don't take it apart and let the magic marui fairy dust out XD
This should have been the perfect airsoft gat for me, I'd have jumped at this, thankfully your review has shown me quite clearly that I'd entirely wreck those magazines, far too fragile.
Fantastic vid!
Fragile is too harsh of a word for it.
They're not fragile, you'll just quickly reap the consequences if you try to force them the wrong way. Or mistreat them.
@@CLODXJ6 Oh my friend, you do not understand! I'm from a long forgotten site called Electrowerkz, any story I tell would sound like boasting.
We ran hard, we destroyed kit, anything that couldn't keep up with us was cast aside.
Those mags would not survive me :D.
finally i bought this beauty
200 IQ review
I´m looking forward for the tuning parts that will come.
Does green gas work fine. If not could I have link to everything I need to use propane. And a link to the mag pouches you use please.
SUCH A GOOD REVIEW
I'm definitely gonna get the 762 version of this for Christmas
Great review 😊
Are we gonna get a review on the SBS?
2:14 The Vepr 12 was adopted by the French RAID Law Enforcement unit, in substantial numbers.
Hello, I really love so much the mod you made. Is it possible to have a part list / link for buy? Thanks
For SBS version, seems Marui went with weaker springs and replaced previously metal elements with plastic in some potentially high touch areas around the trigger guard (?). So, thinking this is the better model to buy…? Hmmm
Excellent review..
I love that speedsofters are always trying trade at the least so they call it late and shoot after they're hit. at least half the time
The mag loading issue is the exact same on the real one. I used to own one as well as multiple aks and the seiga is just wierd with mag fit as well as the rock and lock
This is the review I needed.
Hello! Is there any chance you could show us the process of how you found the sweet spot of getting the dent made to make it full auto?
What size external O-ring is on the nozzle mentioned at timestamp 16:11 in the video? I blew mine off running the gun on 90psi HPA and was looking for a replacement. Seemed to run fine without it, but noticed +/- 10 fps variance from 270 fps with .25g bbs.
Okay I don't know if I'm just going crazy but I swear to God I can hear the Metro 2033 original sound track in the background. All the music is from Metro. You even used the acoustic guitar sound track that's played by the npc. I know the entire metro sound track too well 😂😂😂. But this is the best review of this gun. I want this and the full auto mod is the first thing I'm doing to it
What are your thoughts on hpaing this bad boy? I think it would be quite the monster
Amazing review, do you think you could do one on one of the GBBR's that E&L is going to release in the future?
What do you mean by mag valve fully open, half closed, 3/4 closed?????
The VFC mag agression cutaway gave me PTSD
at 18:54 you said "short stroking doesnt improve gas efficiency, but increases cycling speed and felt recoil" did I understand this correctly?
You got it.
@@ExplosiveEnterprises great, finally I got a clear information on that.
I see recoil and faster cycling as advantageous, so I will short strike my gbb so much, that the slide catch still works.
I assume I need a hard material to short stroke, to maximize the felt recoil?
Could you make more videos on general information, tuning and so on that applies to most gbbs? I am lacking knowledge on these.
I really liked you winterization video, it helped me a lot.
This with the hpa adapter i think would be amazing
hello! I recently bought this as my 1st GBBR. I don't know how to prep it before playing. where to put silicone grease or oil? Thank you!
Now TM should be able to release a benelli M4 GBBS i guess 🤞
Have you the reference of the spacer for the side folding stock? Since google is a bit messy with 5mm tall spacer 🤐😥
The inner diameter isn't critical, anything 13/64" or wider will work, and it can be up to about 10mm or 3/8" in outer diameter. Part number 92871A040 on McMaster-Carr is a drop-in fit.
@@ExplosiveEnterprises thank you ☺️ I also had in mind to make a Battlefield 3 Saiga 12k so your video is a blessing 👌
question ! ,, :) MOST TM gbbrs are made for 134a gas .. have you used green gas , and how is the performance ? any issues or damage to the internals ? / seals ect .. ? thanks :)
great work as always.
I have a question tho.
Can it run 12kg Green gas?
12kg 'green gas' is just propane in a fancy bottle, so yes. We recommend reinforcing the buffer for long-term use in warmer climates as shown in the video, but otherwise it seems good to go.
@@ExplosiveEnterprises Thanks man ! I thought it can take only 9 kg cause it's TM. By the way How many rounds do this badboy has been through?
Could you do a video on the WE AK74?
Forgotten airsoft .........good review.
18:09 There is UV leakage detaction oil for car AC system. A drop or two before filling up the magazin with gas maybe shows some blow by.
I just got mine but the barrel isn’t centered on mine :( it looks like it’s bent to the right. Do you think that adjusting them is possible by just popping the gas block pins out and re aligning it?
Do you know if it would be possible to mount a CSS SIGHT RAIL MOUNT for saiga on this one ?
im using haley strategic D3CR Heavy as saiga magazine carrier, its perfect fit. a friend of mine using ferro turnover triple 7.62 pouch insert, its ok too.
How do you just remove the outer barrel to change for a shorter version from FCW? Is that what you mention at 13.49? Is there a way to simply unscrew it after removing the screw under the front handguard? Without removing the inner barrel? Thank you so much for your help!
Bit late, but anyway: remove the handguard, unscrew the sight rail, punch out the pins in the gas block that hold the barrel in place, and remove the hex screws in both the gas block and the trunnion. After that the barrel unscrews and you can slide it off the inner barrels without removing those.
The consistent rotation of the inner barrels mentioned in the review is a result of the O-ring around the inner barrels rubbing against the outer barrel while it was screwed in from the factory. You will find the inner barrels can twist back to a proper vertical position if you mount a shorter outer barrel and rotate the inner barrels by hand afterwards.
Any issues using propane that you can tell like the weak return spring on the mws