Full podcast episode: ua-cam.com/video/aGOV5R7M1Js/v-deo.html Lex Fridman podcast channel: ua-cam.com/users/lexfridman Guest bio: Walter Isaacson is an author of biographies on Elon Musk, Steve Jobs, Einstein, Benjamin Franklin, Leonardo da Vinci, and many others.
Worked in silicon valley for 25 years as an engineer. After many years of 80-100 hour work weeks, decided to be a consultant. As a consultant, worked half as much for twice the previous, full-time pay.
Uh, so would you have been able to "consult" if you had not worked for an extended period (maybe not 25 yrs - but still a LONNNNG Time) as an engineer?
That was a good move by Musk to go down into the middle (skip-level meeting) and essentially see what he had propping up the program. I’ve worked for a number of private companies that were content with inefficiency and incompetence and, for whatever reason, would not promote or take advice from their mid-level employees who know what the problems are with a product or how the company operates. Often those are the the employees who know how to exactly fix problems but also the people that all too often aren’t utilized or asked about structural advice. Those are your NCOs that know the job and what works well but also have seen where all the problems are. You’re mid-level employees will languish and possibly exit if you wait too long to heed their advice or altogether ignore them. Good on Musk for realizing that.
I've always found that they most incompetent people in a company are Middle Management who try to hide their Incompetence by causing trouble to try and divert attention away from their incompetence....
Yep exactly. I worked for a company who upper level executives would make baffling decisions that would affect dozens of employees (and thousands of customers) without ever consulting the actual people who run the department they are making the decision for. Or "consulting" them as a "formality" with the decision already in hand regardless of what the legitimate negative feedback was going to be.
"I'd rather be burned out than bored" - it's always great to epitomise the hardcore company people, but it's not for everyone! I much prefer 5pm finish than a 4 hour sleep every night lol
I feel you but I have no choice. I come from an emerging country in latin america and I am in a leading position in a big asian company, here I am working 15hrs per day. I enjoy it but sometimes I do feel miserable. What do I do with all the respect I have earned when I am just a piece in this machine? That is a question I haven't answered yet.
@@RenatoT-si7vv spot on, lots of highs and lows when you're working at that length. I made a commitment to be more present this year, and I'm doing that by planning less and thinking less about tomorrow/next week/next year. Even stopped thinking about 'purpose' because the word inherently considers a long term ambition of some kind. Hope it gets better for you, don't forget your eulogy list and that people won't look to describe you for your work achievements but rather your character!
Even worse is when you'll start seeing health problems/fatigue coming quickly in after a certain age and you realize you're not resilient like before and you don't have energy to do anything else after work especially with those hours.. Then the questions of is this really worth it comes to mind and search for balance comes
I think most engineers might agree with that. Boredom makes every day a grind, while burnout is just a symptom of too much grinding. Easier to "solve" burnout than boredom in most organizations IMO.
It's a powerful statement, but I can't help feeling it's also a false dichotomy. Why not look at the options to be neither bored nor burned out, you know?
When you want to know if someone is really looking for loyalty and not submissiveness, try to argue with them about a topic they deeply care about. Not for the sake of it, but to find the best possible solution for your shared goal. The result of this will tell you what they really value. There're too many power hungry "leaders" that use all these buzzwords in their speeches and interviews, but in reality just want to feel like kings, prove something to their abusive parents and be better than everyone. Intensity and hardcoreness drives capitalism, but we all know, it is not very sustainable.
@@vaska1999 If he is power hungry, why would he help when there are natural disasters? Why would he bother with that? Why does he not own any large mansions???? Why does he work 80+ hours trying to make his companies better???? Do power hungry people do these kinds of things??????
@@gickygackers Are you suggesting that people with qualifications always have the right personality? I've worked with people who have PhD level education and they were like cardboard cutouts. Some of the most boring people ever. And they weren't very good at the job despite being well qualified.
@@keithprice1950Good take. There is no guaranteed answer for this one. Whichever works, works. Which in Elon's case, prioritizing personality during the hiring process served him well.
Sounds like a man committed to his mission. Excellence, loyalty and drive seem great (and mutual 360 degrees) criteria for organisations, even when it comes to living wellness, ethics, and ecological living for companies, "all in".
im hearing loyalty, my brain is thinking obedience, you could only be as loyal to elon as he is to you, that's how a 2 way transactional relationship works
Ding ding ding. There is no such thing as loyalty. People are loyal as long as it benefits their interest. Thats the game of life. Love friendship or work. Make being on your team worth it or people bail.
"called him after midnight - are you still around? Yes, I'm still at work". Most important thing in the hiring process is being a workaholic, most likely with no family, and most likely going to burn out sooner rather than later. Yes, you can do that in your twenties and early thirties. Not for your entire career.
as someone who is a workaholic now and will run myself ragged to have our mission accomplished, I have no interest in going to a Musk like company, once you want a family and to tone it down they have no loyalty to you. They are transactional and will treat you like royalty until you don't help them as much.
@@Brandon-youtubeI’m a professional chef on the downward side of my career 18 years in. And that was said well for any industry any career. 10 years ago the world was my oyster. 🦪 2024 to much experience to run most places, to much experience to risk it all on a place of my own. lol 😂 I’m 36. Basically starting over. College all over again, and start at the bottom take a huge pay cut to get into a new career field, trying to work in defense based engineering.
Did Elon ever get hired? Didn't he start his own company directly? It seems he did a couple of internships but never get hired by someone else, he just started his own company from the beginning. So I would say no to your question as the younger Elon would probably not apply to the older Elon's company.
Individual success within the gravitational pull of Elon is simply based on rate of success (as defined exclusively by Musk) and willingness to relinquish most self autonomy and control of your life (again, as defined exclusively by Musk). Some would just rather be "bored" than "burned out". But you burn yourself out anyway burning your fuel trying to escape his gravitational pull. So you might as well play ball once you are on the roster.
0:22: 🔥 Elon Musk fired 85% of the engineers working on Tesla's full self-driving autopilot software. 2:28: 👥 The success of Elon Musk and Steve Jobs can be attributed to their ability to hire and manage great teams. 4:53: 🚀 Elon Musk uses skip level meetings to identify emerging talent and make important decisions. 7:26: 🏢 Elon Musk promotes Brian Dow to run the solar roof division after multiple failed attempts by others. 9:47: 🔑 Trustworthiness is the most important and hardest trait to obtain. Recap by Tammy AI
I was a kid when soviet union collapsed and as a kid seeing what my country and the people were doing, I understood one thing; you can not build on ruins, the ruins become your foundation. Delete, delete, delete is right.
@elonmuskceo-tesla Hi elonmuskceo-tesla, If you are the man himself, Good fucking job across the board and across space! Coming from a regular man. I was born in Moldova, a prime example of something being built on ruins, a prime example of how not to be.
@elonmuskceo-tesla On a different topic: The FCC Starlink revoke is funny. As a general rule of life, one does not revoke such things. It's like asking a gift back. It's like; What?! Are they five?! It is so weak and petty. No integrity what's so ever. I think I learned that at a very early age. That's why it is funny.
Musk grew up in the same area than me .South Africa Petoria . Never pesonally knEw him . Absolute Nonsense about his Father . Our culture in Afrikaans is dissipline and absolute order.iTS THE WAY WE WERE ALL RAISED HERE .Mentally Tough and strong. Charlise Theron Actress Same culture ...
All of the people commenting in disaproval of Musk’s methods in hiring and managing are hypocritical. Because if you were listening about a world class coach or a special forces lead guy - you’d be totally all-in and would agree that is what makes that job special and successful for everyone involved. But when top level engineers want to do the same at Musk’s companies, you ridicule them. It’s like making fun of Djokovic’s training regime because you’d rather play tennis once a week with your cousin.
Well, you cant work for TESLA, if you are not working to your capability. He is just making sure, the company is putting out QUALITY products....and thats a big task...the only other ccompanies i can Think of guallity, is Toyota,and Honda..
You've clearly never been in a Tesla. I live in a country where they're pretty common and a lot of Tesla owners over here are switching to Japanese and Korean EVs due to how unreliable Teslas are.
He makes decisions baswe on his mood. One day he woke up and started digging a pit. He was sitting around and wondered why we're not going to Mars. It's all about his mood.
its crazy to expect your people to work a 9-5 but they're still @ the office past 3am you're literally working yourself to death with less than 5hrs sleep
Well, if they slacked for however many years, taking a afternoon nap for longer than 1 hour lunch break, or getting on the computer to do a shopping spree online while working, you should at least pay the company back for you slacking. You do realize that lots of employees who are on the job do these kinds of things, riiiiight???? DON'T you think?????
musk's letter to twitter stuff about "long hours at high intensity or receive three months of severance" was a form of ultimatum and looked like pure disrespect to the employees.
Disrespect??? Elon had his own Engineers look into the programs and rate them and found them to be wanting. They are subpar Engineers working at former Twitter and you want the NEW boss to Respect his employees JUST BECAUSE THEY WORK FOR the company????? How did they get hired in the first place??????? If they should have been fired for incompetence, why would they be respected??? He didn't put them down disrespected them though and he demanded that they work HARD for their pay. If I was your boss, I would FIRE YOU after seeing this comment.
I don't see anything disrespectful in telling your employees what you want and expect of the people you employ and offering them a relatively generous severance if they cannot or don't want to work to his expectations.
I don't blame him for firing all those people from Twitter. From what I've heard from them they needed fired. I predict he will either have Twitter either breaking even or turning a profit. It may take a few more years. He will stop it from losing money by virtue of efficiency.
The ultimate point is that despite firing a massive amount of their engineers, Twitter still works absolutely fine and in some aspects better than it used to, so yeah that's pretty damning
I too would rather work hard than be bored, because if you truly love your job, truly love the mission, work isn't work, is a sport that you play to win. There are two kinds of state of stress: Stressed because you have to put up with problems you don't like or don't understand OR stressed because you have many problems and you accept the challenge or like learning new things.
We shouldn't be surprised. Dude runs the most successful private space company and electric car company. Of course he should be a nightmare type of boss.
@@blackdynamite_5470 putin never answers straight and never says to western interviewers what he actually believes (stuff he said publicly in russia with no problems), watch his interviews with oliver stone, he's slimy and unnerving
@@Vinko7469 It was somewhat arbitrary; if I comment on social media that I'm going to buy FACEBOOK for 30 billion dollars, am I obligated to buy it? There was some hatred and persecution against him.
@@amauryaracenaMusk had made an official buyout offer (which you can read in the SEC archives), arranged financing from multiple big banks and established three holding companies for the transaction. That's far, far more than just "writing a comment on social media".
Nobody who owns a company wants to get rid of anyone who is an asset providing value to their company. Their greatest fear is losing good employees and will do what it takes to retain those employees. So anyone who says Elon is a scary boss either has no confidence in their own ability or is looking for a free ride at his expense.
I can't understand Musk's talent. It seems like he doesn't invent anything....but he's got a mystique and that's huge. People will follow, governments will give him contracts and he is a kiss ass at the highest level.
At least you have a good attitude about it, and you should. You learn from your experience and hopefully become a better version of yourself instead of playing a victim and blame others, even if Elon or any other boss was a jerk, or tough for no reason, or whatever negative things the ex-boss have might put you through. I am not saying Elon was like this, necessarily.
I've never understood why these platforms like Twitter, Facebook etc need thousands of people coding. What the hell are they doing? The algorithm is developed. OK, it may need to be tweaked on occasions, but WTF? Obviously Musk has the same opinion, and we are both mechanical engineers...
I wonder how many A players were thrown away. The presumption an algorithm is a better judge of character was long ago debunked. Keywords and catch phrases have little to do with potential. A fun thought. Algorithms rely on collated lists. Employees are just a number or series of numbers 1 bad seed in HR or with the ability to swap data used is all it takes
I had a small business and I personally interviewed potential employees. I would talk with them let them smoke and not hire them for the job. All my employees were non smokers.
I wanted employees who wanted to work not have there attention on the next smoke break, also they had to run a route, dropping burning cigarettes while your driving could lead to a driver dying. Also no women, when they get pregnant, by law they get 6 months full pay. Welcome to Latin America.
So loyalty and trustworthiness is the most important trait yet if you dont give up your life for corporate daddy elon then you get cut without a second thought, LOL the delusions are real
This is pathetic. I went through the hiring process in one of Elon's companies, and I quickly realized that there is no point in trying to "save humanity" if his own workforce of highly skilled hard working young people are treated like a stock of cattle. It's a scam.
Then it is a successful process. When you see the culture and say "I don't belong here" then they did you a favor. A lot of company try to sell you values they don't really have, and it's only months in you realize your mistake.
You are not fit to work for Elon Musk on any of the companies that he runs because it requires people who are not going to be worried about hard situations, because that’s exactly what they’re supposed to fix “ Hard situations”. If you can’t handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen because cooks will have to deal with the heat.
We shouldn't be surprised. Dude runs the most successful private space company and electric car company. Of course he should be a nightmare type of boss.
@@anthonysolis6693Bill Gates. Musk hasn't really done anything for humanity related to space other than lower the cost of launching stuff into space. Not much benefit to humanity yet.
@@anthonysolis6693 idk putting chips in peoples brains and saying AI is dangerous and then to build AI robots... doesnt seem pro human to me. I respect the tesla though
Sounds like a A Game boss which is good but you must be single, childless and willing to put serious commitment while working for him. At some point you have to hand over the reins or he takes them off you
It's a question of being someone's slave. Every successful driven business will use you up then humiliatingly throw you out. It's the nature of the beast. The trick is to quit and move on before that eventuality.........
The ramifications in terms of damage to the Twitter platform and associated investment return does not seem to directly correspond with the risks associated with firing the majority of current market segment leading business without fully assessing and understanding that risk. Investors in Twitter/X may never get a decent return on their money again
Walter Isaacson will say things to please his biographical subjects. Steve Jobs was not an engineer and was smart but incredibly lucky to have met great computer engineers and known Edwin Land who helped him immensely. Elon Musk is just a bit of an idiot in certain things. I mean who on Earth would pay $40billion for Twitter when it was a loss making company. Is that not a stupid thing to do.
He doesn't seem to really understand Musk...always an undercurrent of caveat and low-key shade. #WeaknessAndMediocrityCommentingOnStrengthAndExcellence
The earliest bird catches the finest worm. If employees are "in" the company "only" for their personal fame. Fire them. Employees have to be fully in the company with their hearts, the mission.
Sorry for being a grammar nazi here, but, for fluck sake, can at least writers remember that it’s “number of people”, not amount of people. Amount is used for immeasurable quantities.
Except you are free to go when you want. Also you have a pretty decent compensation and a sense of meaningful job you're doing. But otherwise yeah sure like a slave.
More and more, Musk is turning into a right-wing nut job. Kudos to the folks at SpaceX who can work with him. I just hope that there is now enough independent expertise there to carry on when Musk finally goes completely "round the bend".
Sometimes I feel his "right wing nutjob" image is actually a ploy to promote himself as an "everyman". The core purposes of most of his companies (EV's, batteries, solar power, and space) don't really line up with things that right wingers would want to claim for their own benefit. Urban conservatives can see the use for them, but many rural conservatives have a disdain for renewable energy and are vehemently anti-EV.
50+ have flown and they have been used to lift the heaviest rocket ever made but you don't care about substance just definitions... and yet you did not say the Karman line you said atmosphere... well at what altitude does the very last molecule of Earth's atmosphere currently reside? Being a pedant you should have such an answer ready or else you could never correctly know when a Raptor has made it that far.
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As an engineer I will say loyalty to seeing your project completed is what sets apart team members
Worked in silicon valley for 25 years as an engineer. After many years of 80-100 hour work weeks, decided to be a consultant. As a consultant, worked half as much for twice the previous, full-time pay.
Uh, so would you have been able to "consult" if you had not worked for an extended period (maybe not 25 yrs - but still a LONNNNG Time) as an engineer?
@@Rex69Rutherford it’s not about time it’s about his network and his ability to solve problems
@@Rex69Rutherford Exactly.
How do you get into consulting like that?
That was a good move by Musk to go down into the middle (skip-level meeting) and essentially see what he had propping up the program. I’ve worked for a number of private companies that were content with inefficiency and incompetence and, for whatever reason, would not promote or take advice from their mid-level employees who know what the problems are with a product or how the company operates. Often those are the the employees who know how to exactly fix problems but also the people that all too often aren’t utilized or asked about structural advice. Those are your NCOs that know the job and what works well but also have seen where all the problems are. You’re mid-level employees will languish and possibly exit if you wait too long to heed their advice or altogether ignore them. Good on Musk for realizing that.
I've always found that they most incompetent people in a company are Middle Management who try to hide their Incompetence by causing trouble to try and divert attention away from their incompetence....
Yep exactly. I worked for a company who upper level executives would make baffling decisions that would affect dozens of employees (and thousands of customers) without ever consulting the actual people who run the department they are making the decision for. Or "consulting" them as a "formality" with the decision already in hand regardless of what the legitimate negative feedback was going to be.
"I'd rather be burned out than bored" - it's always great to epitomise the hardcore company people, but it's not for everyone! I much prefer 5pm finish than a 4 hour sleep every night lol
I feel you but I have no choice. I come from an emerging country in latin america and I am in a leading position in a big asian company, here I am working 15hrs per day. I enjoy it but sometimes I do feel miserable. What do I do with all the respect I have earned when I am just a piece in this machine? That is a question I haven't answered yet.
@@RenatoT-si7vv spot on, lots of highs and lows when you're working at that length. I made a commitment to be more present this year, and I'm doing that by planning less and thinking less about tomorrow/next week/next year. Even stopped thinking about 'purpose' because the word inherently considers a long term ambition of some kind. Hope it gets better for you, don't forget your eulogy list and that people won't look to describe you for your work achievements but rather your character!
Even worse is when you'll start seeing health problems/fatigue coming quickly in after a certain age and you realize you're not resilient like before and you don't have energy to do anything else after work especially with those hours.. Then the questions of is this really worth it comes to mind and search for balance comes
You can be more productive and change world more if you are healthy and live into 85 rather than working 16hrs days and die at 55yrs
Brain Dow saying "I would rather be burned out than Bored" shows the level of intense hard work they put in
I think most engineers might agree with that. Boredom makes every day a grind, while burnout is just a symptom of too much grinding. Easier to "solve" burnout than boredom in most organizations IMO.
Fuck that
It's a powerful statement, but I can't help feeling it's also a false dichotomy. Why not look at the options to be neither bored nor burned out, you know?
Leslie Nielsen is very convincing in this role.
ol' mr magoo
@@BRANDONMICHAELCATRONI am serious. And don't call me Shirley.
Especially as a dead man
He must be Dutch Irish.
When you want to know if someone is really looking for loyalty and not submissiveness, try to argue with them about a topic they deeply care about. Not for the sake of it, but to find the best possible solution for your shared goal. The result of this will tell you what they really value.
There're too many power hungry "leaders" that use all these buzzwords in their speeches and interviews, but in reality just want to feel like kings, prove something to their abusive parents and be better than everyone.
Intensity and hardcoreness drives capitalism, but we all know, it is not very sustainable.
could you explain that with an example? I'm not sure what you mean with this method.
Soo, is Elon the power hungry type? Is what you are saying what Elon is? Not sure why you referenced this.
@@1flash3571 You think he isn't?
@@vaska1999 If he is power hungry, why would he help when there are natural disasters? Why would he bother with that? Why does he not own any large mansions???? Why does he work 80+ hours trying to make his companies better???? Do power hungry people do these kinds of things??????
The hiring process matters, it's not whats on paper but the PERSONALITY
But you need the papers though lol. If you had the personality, why wouldn't you have the paper to prove it?
@@gickygackers Are you suggesting that people with qualifications always have the right personality? I've worked with people who have PhD level education and they were like cardboard cutouts. Some of the most boring people ever. And they weren't very good at the job despite being well qualified.
@@keithprice1950Good take. There is no guaranteed answer for this one. Whichever works, works. Which in Elon's case, prioritizing personality during the hiring process served him well.
Personality + Skillset is better than both aspects alone.
@@TheMaxKids and then you have a formal expression of these in the form of certification or professional portfolio.
Sounds like a man committed to his mission. Excellence, loyalty and drive seem great (and mutual 360 degrees) criteria for organisations, even when it comes to living wellness, ethics, and ecological living for companies, "all in".
To expect A player output, is there an associated increase in compensation?
can someone explain why we have to watch 3 min ads before the video?
im hearing loyalty, my brain is thinking obedience, you could only be as loyal to elon as he is to you, that's how a 2 way transactional relationship works
Yep, other words would be submissiveness and “yes-sayness”
Ding ding ding. There is no such thing as loyalty. People are loyal as long as it benefits their interest. Thats the game of life. Love friendship or work. Make being on your team worth it or people bail.
Uhm, no.
At Twitter there were an enormous number of activists. They would sabotage the company going forward and had to be eliminated.
In this case loyalty means totally dedicated to the company mission and not a personal individual agenda. It’s not loyalty to Elon lol
interesting POV, not personally convinced that the 2 can be treated as separate entities, but good point well made@@Mercury6_
Really enjoyable clip nd guest ⚡️🔥❗️
"called him after midnight - are you still around? Yes, I'm still at work". Most important thing in the hiring process is being a workaholic, most likely with no family, and most likely going to burn out sooner rather than later. Yes, you can do that in your twenties and early thirties. Not for your entire career.
as someone who is a workaholic now and will run myself ragged to have our mission accomplished, I have no interest in going to a Musk like company, once you want a family and to tone it down they have no loyalty to you. They are transactional and will treat you like royalty until you don't help them as much.
U can do it any time . Your priorities are yours
@@Brandon-youtubeI’m a professional chef on the downward side of my career 18 years in. And that was said well for any industry any career. 10 years ago the world was my oyster. 🦪 2024 to much experience to run most places, to much experience to risk it all on a place of my own. lol 😂 I’m 36. Basically starting over. College all over again, and start at the bottom take a huge pay cut to get into a new career field, trying to work in defense based engineering.
- I want a job at X
- what was your last job?
- twitter
- we'll call you back, have a nice day!
😂😂😂
I wonder if the current Elon would hire his younger 23+ year old version Elon...Wouldn't bet money on it.
NO. Some people are better off doing their own thing.
He wouldn't.
Younger Musk was much more optimistic and fun.
He's become egotistical and bitter.
Nope, he’s getting older. Time is running out. I see it as him trying to move as fast as possible without considering people’s feelings
Did Elon ever get hired? Didn't he start his own company directly? It seems he did a couple of internships but never get hired by someone else, he just started his own company from the beginning. So I would say no to your question as the younger Elon would probably not apply to the older Elon's company.
@@blackdynamite_5470Egotistical and bitter? 🤣🤣🤣 You need to do some more research if that’s your serious opinion
I’d like the audiobook, as read by Musk himself. 🚀
That is a great idea.
Wonder if anyone who has a biography about themselves did that.
Johnny Sins did
AI could make that happen.
it would be twice as long as the current version, with all the stuttering
imagine the stuttering 😂
Individual success within the gravitational pull of Elon is simply based on rate of success (as defined exclusively by Musk) and willingness to relinquish most self autonomy and control of your life (again, as defined exclusively by Musk). Some would just rather be "bored" than "burned out". But you burn yourself out anyway burning your fuel trying to escape his gravitational pull. So you might as well play ball once you are on the roster.
0:22: 🔥 Elon Musk fired 85% of the engineers working on Tesla's full self-driving autopilot software.
2:28: 👥 The success of Elon Musk and Steve Jobs can be attributed to their ability to hire and manage great teams.
4:53: 🚀 Elon Musk uses skip level meetings to identify emerging talent and make important decisions.
7:26: 🏢 Elon Musk promotes Brian Dow to run the solar roof division after multiple failed attempts by others.
9:47: 🔑 Trustworthiness is the most important and hardest trait to obtain.
Recap by Tammy AI
The first point is incorrect, he Fired 85% of TWITTER Engineers because they were 10times more than all of Tesla Engineers
fantastic insight ty men
I was a kid when soviet union collapsed and as a kid seeing what my country and the people were doing, I understood one thing; you can not build on ruins, the ruins become your foundation. Delete, delete, delete is right.
@elonmuskceo-tesla Hi elonmuskceo-tesla, If you are the man himself, Good fucking job across the board and across space! Coming from a regular man. I was born in Moldova, a prime example of something being built on ruins, a prime example of how not to be.
@elonmuskceo-tesla Let the chips fall where they may
@elonmuskceo-tesla On a different topic: The FCC Starlink revoke is funny.
As a general rule of life, one does not revoke such things. It's like asking a gift back. It's like; What?! Are they five?!
It is so weak and petty. No integrity what's so ever.
I think I learned that at a very early age. That's why it is funny.
Whats the price in Germany?
Musk grew up in the same area than me .South Africa Petoria . Never pesonally knEw him . Absolute Nonsense about his Father . Our culture in Afrikaans is dissipline and absolute order.iTS THE WAY WE WERE ALL RAISED HERE .Mentally Tough and strong. Charlise Theron Actress Same culture ...
Thank god Elon asserted free speech values and took down the childish idiots who think their feelings have inordinate value.
You sound fun
Having to make the decision to cut plp off is a rare super power 😂😂
All of the people commenting in disaproval of Musk’s methods in hiring and managing are hypocritical. Because if you were listening about a world class coach or a special forces lead guy - you’d be totally all-in and would agree that is what makes that job special and successful for everyone involved. But when top level engineers want to do the same at Musk’s companies, you ridicule them. It’s like making fun of Djokovic’s training regime because you’d rather play tennis once a week with your cousin.
Good interview
Well, you cant work for TESLA, if you are not working to your capability. He is just making sure, the company is putting out QUALITY products....and thats a big task...the only other ccompanies i can Think of guallity, is Toyota,and Honda..
Yeah... it a question of carrot or stick. Musk prefers the stick....
You've clearly never been in a Tesla. I live in a country where they're pretty common and a lot of Tesla owners over here are switching to Japanese and Korean EVs due to how unreliable Teslas are.
I think its a lot of hype. It probably depends on his mood.
You’re only seeing his “creative self expression” mood, never his engineering mood as you not in the meetings with him.
You really think someone as successful as Elon makes business decisions based on his mood? I don't even think that's possible
He makes decisions baswe on his mood.
One day he woke up and started digging a pit.
He was sitting around and wondered why we're not going to Mars.
It's all about his mood.
There are plenty of great places to work. X is probably not one of them.
Not if you plan on coasting
X could be fun to work at, lots of interesting unique problems to solve and data which is not found anywhere else.
X under Musk is the trashiest place to work
its crazy to expect your people to work a 9-5 but they're still @ the office past 3am
you're literally working yourself to death with less than 5hrs sleep
Well, if they slacked for however many years, taking a afternoon nap for longer than 1 hour lunch break, or getting on the computer to do a shopping spree online while working, you should at least pay the company back for you slacking. You do realize that lots of employees who are on the job do these kinds of things, riiiiight???? DON'T you think?????
musk's letter to twitter stuff about "long hours at high intensity or receive three months of severance" was a form of ultimatum and looked like pure disrespect to the employees.
Disrespect??? Elon had his own Engineers look into the programs and rate them and found them to be wanting. They are subpar Engineers working at former Twitter and you want the NEW boss to Respect his employees JUST BECAUSE THEY WORK FOR the company????? How did they get hired in the first place??????? If they should have been fired for incompetence, why would they be respected??? He didn't put them down disrespected them though and he demanded that they work HARD for their pay. If I was your boss, I would FIRE YOU after seeing this comment.
I don't see anything disrespectful in telling your employees what you want and expect of the people you employ and offering them a relatively generous severance if they cannot or don't want to work to his expectations.
Love how they got rid of radical leftist base on slack virtue signalling and derangements
I don't blame him for firing all those people from Twitter. From what I've heard from them they needed fired.
I predict he will either have Twitter either breaking even or turning a profit. It may take a few more years. He will stop it from losing money by virtue of efficiency.
by the way it's called X....
The ultimate point is that despite firing a massive amount of their engineers, Twitter still works absolutely fine and in some aspects better than it used to, so yeah that's pretty damning
I too would rather work hard than be bored, because if you truly love your job, truly love the mission, work isn't work, is a sport that you play to win. There are two kinds of state of stress: Stressed because you have to put up with problems you don't like or don't understand OR stressed because you have many problems and you accept the challenge or like learning new things.
Slave...
"I'd rather be burned out than bored". I love that
We shouldn't be surprised. Dude runs the most successful private space company and electric car company. Of course he should be a nightmare type of boss.
Lex. How about Stephen King for the next pod
Putin would be the greatest podcast of all tim
@@blackdynamite_5470 putin never answers straight and never says to western interviewers what he actually believes (stuff he said publicly in russia with no problems), watch his interviews with oliver stone, he's slimy and unnerving
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“Skip level” meetings aka you poorly hired in leadership positions
No one mentions that they forced Elon to pay $44 billion for Twitter. Of course he must have arrived indisposed.
Nobody forced him to do anything. He’s the one that made the offer to buy it at that price without proper due diligence.
@@Vinko7469 It was somewhat arbitrary; if I comment on social media that I'm going to buy FACEBOOK for 30 billion dollars, am I obligated to buy it? There was some hatred and persecution against him.
@@Vinko7469yeah the courts kinda forced it at the end.
@@amauryaracenaMusk had made an official buyout offer (which you can read in the SEC archives), arranged financing from multiple big banks and established three holding companies for the transaction. That's far, far more than just "writing a comment on social media".
Nobody who owns a company wants to get rid of anyone who is an asset providing value to their company. Their greatest fear is losing good employees and will do what it takes to retain those employees. So anyone who says Elon is a scary boss either has no confidence in their own ability or is looking for a free ride at his expense.
The best part is no part
I can't understand Musk's talent. It seems like he doesn't invent anything....but he's got a mystique and that's huge. People will follow, governments will give him contracts and he is a kiss ass at the highest level.
He has the talent of money
"stellar people" at Space X. Well, obviously.
nah ambition in and of itself isn't it nor is self knowledge
El9n was like the first boss I worked for, and such strictness really shapped me on to this day even though he fired me😅
Job discription?
Which of his companies did you work for?
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At least you have a good attitude about it, and you should. You learn from your experience and hopefully become a better version of yourself instead of playing a victim and blame others, even if Elon or any other boss was a jerk, or tough for no reason, or whatever negative things the ex-boss have might put you through. I am not saying Elon was like this, necessarily.
Seems like Elon is the scariest boss ever
Yeah confirmed
Scary for the lazy and incompetent ones
If your goal is job security then yes, but some people fear mediocrity and not doing great things that you could do, more than job security.
@@vb8682It's quite a bit more complicated than that
@@Bubbles99718not really, the model is if you’re a b level player or not loyal you’re gone.
Exactly why I'd never work for a company.
I've never understood why these platforms like Twitter, Facebook etc need thousands of people coding. What the hell are they doing? The algorithm is developed. OK, it may need to be tweaked on occasions, but WTF? Obviously Musk has the same opinion, and we are both mechanical engineers...
I wonder how many A players were thrown away. The presumption an algorithm is a better judge of character was long ago debunked. Keywords and catch phrases have little to do with potential. A fun thought. Algorithms rely on collated lists. Employees are just a number or series of numbers 1 bad seed in HR or with the ability to swap data used is all it takes
This man says he probably… so he does not know. That’s the answer.
yeah good line- rather be burned out than bored. ooh should I save this in my obsidian is it worth my obsidian hmmm?
Elon ❤
lex slobbering all over it
AYO ⁉️
wrt to the musketeers and slack messages sorting, is Elon looking for people truthful to him or the company?
Both as is the case in any company, talk smack about Steve Jobs and Apple fires you, it should come as no surprise.
I had a small business and I personally interviewed potential employees. I would talk with them let them smoke and not hire them for the job. All my employees were non smokers.
Cool story bro
I wanted employees who wanted to work not have there attention on the next smoke break, also they had to run a route, dropping burning cigarettes while your driving could lead to a driver dying.
Also no women, when they get pregnant, by law they get 6 months full pay. Welcome to Latin America.
The other people to NEVER employ are Gamblers....
THAT SPIDEY SENSE LMAO yeah I see that when I find like minded people but I need to train it better cuz it's kinda unreliable.
what do you mean THEY DONT LOOK LIKE ooooh yeah I'm so smol and tiny you're right lmao lmao rofl emoji
We'd need Neuralink version 100 to work in SpaceX.
So loyalty and trustworthiness is the most important trait yet if you dont give up your life for corporate daddy elon then you get cut without a second thought, LOL the delusions are real
Imagine being on vacation during the skip-level
If you’re a bad-ass engineer, it would be awesome to work with Musk, even if he fires you later!!
😂😂😂 bitter sweet
Unless he puts you on the hyperloop
Musk team is the special forces of the Corporate world you don't join expecting no casualties.
a real "bad-ass engineer" would find a genius business partner and do better things than work with Musk
A sucker born every second......
Fan boys are boring
Random comment of the day award goes to you sir/madam
I hope you can play a convincing Leonardo, Lex.
This is pathetic. I went through the hiring process in one of Elon's companies, and I quickly realized that there is no point in trying to "save humanity" if his own workforce of highly skilled hard working young people are treated like a stock of cattle. It's a scam.
Then it is a successful process. When you see the culture and say "I don't belong here" then they did you a favor. A lot of company try to sell you values they don't really have, and it's only months in you realize your mistake.
You are not fit to work for Elon Musk on any of the companies that he runs because it requires people who are not going to be worried about hard situations, because that’s exactly what they’re supposed to fix “ Hard situations”. If you can’t handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen because cooks will have to deal with the heat.
@@aimlesfez pay your workers, bababooey
We shouldn't be surprised. Dude runs the most successful private space company and electric car company. Of course he should be a nightmare type of boss.
@@mogulmayhem engineers currently working at Twitter could find same pay elsewhere without a sweet yet chose to stay there
I’ve never seen someone dox a human that hard multiple times in an interview in my life 😂 BOCA CHICA 2BEDROOM OF SOUTH TEXAS LOOKIN AHH
Lex throwing shade? Id say so.
Jacob sounds like my dad
Why would I be all-in for Musk?
Name a person doing more for humanity than him
You should he all-in for your boss. Ideally
You should not be if you don't want to work for musk.
@@anthonysolis6693Bill Gates. Musk hasn't really done anything for humanity related to space other than lower the cost of launching stuff into space. Not much benefit to humanity yet.
@@anthonysolis6693 idk putting chips in peoples brains and saying AI is dangerous and then to build AI robots... doesnt seem pro human to me. I respect the tesla though
Sounds like a A Game boss which is good but you must be single, childless and willing to put serious commitment while working for him. At some point you have to hand over the reins or he takes them off you
Exactly, he might be a visionary but he is part of the demographic problem of the west. You cant work for guys like this and have kids, or a life.
@@exriodonorte67 I couldn’t agree with you more.
3:10 He talked about the membership like a mob guy. 😅
It's a question of being someone's slave. Every successful driven business will use you up then humiliatingly throw you out. It's the nature of the beast. The trick is to quit and move on before that eventuality.........
Finally! Someone here gets it
Maybe Elon is an astute businessman……..but I bet he makes a lot of enemies along the way. You can’t have things both ways.
The ramifications in terms of damage to the Twitter platform and associated investment return does not seem to directly correspond with the risks associated with firing the majority of current market segment leading business without fully assessing and understanding that risk. Investors in Twitter/X may never get a decent return on their money again
Lex is doing paid promotion of his new book
You fire me for no good reason, good luck hiring me back! Take a hike!!
I don't think they'd care
Ele parece que contrata e demite assim.kkk.
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Walter Isaacson will say things to please his biographical subjects. Steve Jobs was not an engineer and was smart but incredibly lucky to have met great computer engineers and known Edwin Land who helped him immensely. Elon Musk is just a bit of an idiot in certain things. I mean who on Earth would pay $40billion for Twitter when it was a loss making company. Is that not a stupid thing to do.
Elon sounds like an awful, childish, tantrum-prone, trigger-happy employer. I hope the guys who work for him get well compensated.
Watch this speakers lung reflux to see how convincing he is
He doesn't seem to really understand Musk...always an undercurrent of caveat and low-key shade. #WeaknessAndMediocrityCommentingOnStrengthAndExcellence
We have been working nonstop for this guy all year long, record profits and guess what? No BONUSES THIS YEAR from this ungrateful wrench 😢
Oh only if Musk could introduce China's 9-9-6 work culture to the rest of the world.......
Making a test comment
Guy sounds like a total wacko
The earliest bird catches the finest worm. If employees are "in" the company "only" for their personal fame. Fire them. Employees have to be fully in the company with their hearts, the mission.
Yeah, no criticism allowed regarding what the company is doing horribly
可唔可以教一下簡單的fact check？現在的假新聞很聰明，假中帶真，最近睇Sun Channel，講就好公正，但隱藏很多大外宣
News has gotten significantly worse in quality in the West, you can't trust anything one way or another
Sorry for being a grammar nazi here, but, for fluck sake, can at least writers remember that it’s “number of people”, not amount of people. Amount is used for immeasurable quantities.
“How many names can I drop in 60 seconds.”
In sum: work like a slave. Nothing new under the sun!
Except you are free to go when you want. Also you have a pretty decent compensation and a sense of meaningful job you're doing. But otherwise yeah sure like a slave.
@@2LazySnake Every job is just making a smarter man richer.
So no freedom of speech within Twitter?
How did you come to that conclusion???
freedom of speech doesnt protect you from the consequenzes of what you say
Not with Musk around
I rather be burned out rather than bored. That’s what I live bye. ❤
@elonmuskceo-tesla some where in Texas
O tédio é uma merda mesmo. Vc pode tentar sair dele mas ele sempre está de frente pra vc.
Musk is a great boss
2/3's weren't aquiencing nazis at twitter
he said ben franklin wtf
"Musk is a magnet for awesome talent . "-Walter Isaacson I agree 💯 ❤
Says who? People want to work around a personality.
@@orangewarm1says all offical job application statictics
@@orangewarm1says anyone who knows anything about the industries he is in 🤷
Musk has no personality.
He's a deep dark void of charisma.
He's a great scam artist.
Sorry, I forgot Grammar ... I edited 🎉@@orangewarm1
More and more, Musk is turning into a right-wing nut job. Kudos to the folks at SpaceX who can work with him. I just hope that there is now enough independent expertise there to carry on when Musk finally goes completely "round the bend".
Sometimes I feel his "right wing nutjob" image is actually a ploy to promote himself as an "everyman". The core purposes of most of his companies (EV's, batteries, solar power, and space) don't really line up with things that right wingers would want to claim for their own benefit. Urban conservatives can see the use for them, but many rural conservatives have a disdain for renewable energy and are vehemently anti-EV.
We all wish Elon was as well balanced and just half as smart as you.
Hey thanks!@@donkanis6141
Hey Lex, how did you get that beautiful last name!? Was it KGB assigned!? 😁
he does know that a raptor hasn’t made it out of our atmosphere yet, right?
There has only been 1 attempt... hundreds have been fired breaking countless records
50+ have flown and they have been used to lift the heaviest rocket ever made but you don't care about substance just definitions... and yet you did not say the Karman line you said atmosphere... well at what altitude does the very last molecule of Earth's atmosphere currently reside? Being a pedant you should have such an answer ready or else you could never correctly know when a Raptor has made it that far.
@@nigelhungerford-symes5059 Wait, is this elon’s mommy?