Remember, all your favourite music up to the mid 80's was recorded on tape. Tape delays, in good shape, were far more 'pristine' than the first digital delays. The sound people tend to ASSOCIATE with tape delays today is that of a worn tape, driven input stage, and questionable transport system, producing the modulation, wow, flutter, and 'warmth' (tape saturation) that we think about in tape delays. I worked in broadcasting for years, and I would often 'borrow' one of the stations very-well-taken-care-of Revox 1/2" stereo reel-to-reel machines to provide delay on my recorded guitar, and, if I needed it to be, it was FAR cleaner than any digital delay of the time (80's and 90's.)
One thing that I’ve always had trouble understanding, was why Hendrix never used an Echorec or Echoplex live. He never even attempted to play quite a few songs live, because there was a lot of tape delay, and other effects on them. He was the highest paid live musician in the world, by ‘69, and it wouldn’t have been that difficult to figure out, as bands like Pink Floyd, were using them in ‘67 onward. Gilmour even was using the same BC108 transistor Fuzz Face, that Roger Mayer had Jimi using by ‘67 through his last performance. Gilmour wasn’t going through Marshalls, but he certainly got Fuzz and played loudly, like Hendrix. It’s just a shame we never got to hear Jimi playing the 1983 medley, or just delay in general, live. With what he was doing, I can’t believe he wouldn’t be using tape delay, like a Syd Barrett was.
True. I remember reading about the earlier Boss DD2 and DD3 and how warm they were compared to a well maintained Echoplex. Eric Johnson used the 3 along with a Echoplex and later, a Memory Man. I think he liked the warmth of the early 3's but also the longer delay times.
The sheer number of options available to guitarists today are almost a disservice - too many things to choose from. I say this as one who has spent years trying so many different options of delay, reverb and of course dirt. I've had to tell myself, as a songwriter who needs to make demos, that good enough is good enough. If I were an artist, it would be a different level of obsession. Appreciate all you do. I have learned so much from your videos over the years.
Had DL4 mk2 and it gave me option paralysis. Traded it for UA Starlight bc Mick commented on simplicity of 3 delays instead of a bunch. It is fantastic. Thanks, Gents!
Love that Halo. I was introduced to Andy by you chaps and I went out and bought that pedal straight away. Now, I’ve never really been a delay guy….but ever since I got that pedal, I RARELY play without it…and I have you two fine fellows and Andy to thank/blame for it! Cheers!
God bless you TPS, for doing your thing in the face of adversity. To the complainers, do you realize how many options are on the market now? So many channels are on UA-cam to demo every single one! Why is it on TPS to cover them? This is not an 'entire market of delays' survey, nor an assessment of merit in that context. I think this is a VERY good primer for those trying to grasp the range of digital delays, and handy pre-sorting for those approaching the multitude of options for the first time.
Yes. The EVH SDE-3000 is the best delay pedal I have ever owned. It does the Andy Timmons Halo sound but the EVH version of that. It is also easy to use. A very quick skimming of the manual will allow you to get deep into all the functions. I have the Free The Tone delay. It arrived with the LED broken that tells you the delay is on - not the end of the world but not great. Also, deep dive into manual was quite frustrating. Not able to get the sounds I want out of the FTT delay, although it is has a beautiful pristine delay. Recommend highly the EVH SDE 3000. Super easy to use and it will elevate your sound.
Well, my experiments in Physical Delay have sufficiently proved that Analog is far more economical and effective, so it looks like you guys are going on the right path. 🤘
I'm a simplistic guy. That said, the one that does it all for me is the Keeley Halo. Awesome sounds, easy to dial in and unbeatable footprint. Can't wait to get my hands on one of those.
Great playing and demo, thanks much. For me it was one of your best episodes. It didn't make the cut here, but the GFI System Orca delay is my sleeper of sleepers. When I first took it out of the box, I played it for an hour without touching any knobs and was in heaven. I own a Line 6 DL4 mk2 but even with its 30 delay algorithms I don't prefer it to the Orca, which only has 4. I often play with ONLY the Orca straight into the amp, with no other effects and it sounds terrific. Usually I don't want other effects masking the Orca's pure, great sounding delays. 3 of the 4 delays ported to the Orca were already on the Specular Tempus. The Tape Delay is new for the Orca. I also have a Flashback 2 which is a decent enough delay pedal but no competition for the Orca. For a pedal that costs about half of what the Orca goes for, I thought the BOSS Digital Delay was damn impressive. I've never owned a boutique delay pedal so those were not of as much interest, and probably not comparable.
You are correct with the comment at the end Mick they are just devices but with out the hands of the guy on the guitar they just sit there and do nothing as does the guitar but when you get time to sit and mess around with this stuff they can be a lot of fun even inspiring great show as always guys look forward to next weeks episode
In 1981 I designed and programmed with a Z80 12bit AD/DA running at 4Mhz. It had like 2K or ram. It was at that time really high end. Today I work with 32bit AD/DA converters (ESSTech) and 32bit microcontrollers capable of DSP functions at 120Mhz in the same package and they have 12bit AD/DA internally. Modelling: I always like to remind people that Fourier and LaPlace came up with this math in 1820's. Everything they did was infinite, not 12, 24 etc... without regard to sample rate. You would go to floating point math in more complex delays because the required coefficients are all less than 1. So doing math with integers is a bit of a mess with coefficients times samples. Some DSP and Processors have built in floating point processors to make this math easier and less complex. Just requires more powerful CPU/DSP. Great show, I am a set and go and would probably go DD3T. Thanks Gordon
I feel like the Polymoon gets put in this box of being super weird. It DOES do all that stuff, but it also does do really easy and obvious delay sounds. I wish we could calm down and look at it normally. That stuff is only complicated if you turn it on. I understand why Dan did, but it frustrates me slightly that these sounds are the only things people think that pedal does. Try this on: Polymoon a great different feel alternative for people who get into space echo or echorec multitap type sounds. More rhythmic possibilities, different modulation, but still in there. Free the Polymoon! It's a misunderstood pedal, and I think portrayals like this, understanding their good intentions, sometimes don't help. Love the show! Old school TPS!
Fwiw, SDE-3000D and EVH comprise a switchable option for the dry/dsp through. Boss doesn't advertise, but checked both manuals and found it somewhat cryptically under "bypass." The fact that it's interacting dual stereo lines and not just dual mono lines is just fantastic.
I’m shocked to say this, but I think my favorite was the Boss Digital Delay, followed closely by the Halo. Just an iconic sound that doesn’t need any adjustments to my ears.
There’s a reason why this pedal has been around for decades in different incarnations. I bought one of the first ones in the 80s and for what it’s designed it just does it perfectly.
This is so timely, Lads! I finally picked up a delay pedal earlier this year. I got the Keeley / Timmons Halo. Andy's Halo preset is the first time delay ever made sense to me under MY OWN fingers. Now I want more! Looking forward to watching when I have a little more time this weekend. Thank you!
I'm not going to start talking about what's on my board and what isn't, because I really think you had the right approach to this. What I will say, though, is that prior to TPS (many moons ago), I used to absolutely HATE delays! My current board has three delays. One is "always on" and acts as a bit of a doubler, the second is a modeling delay that covers a few classics, and third is rather specific in what it does (muti-head drum echo). Currently out of rotation is really good analog delay. Board real-estate in combination with the fact that the digital ones are getting REALLY good, made me swap it. So, TYPES of delay all day long rather than specific brands/models. Cheers, everyone!
Great show Leg Ends, the choices that are available today are astounding, you guys are really THE GOLD STANDARD when it comes to demonstrating PEDALS " I suppose the clues in the name of the show" I was a little surprised that given the content you didn't invite THE EDGE to sit in with you guys? . What's hilarious is that a few years ago I would have thought that completely impossible, but these days none of us would be surprised if you said next week ON THAT PEDAL SHOW " ELVIS " & NOT COSTELLO!!! . did you guys hear about PAUL SIMON e.mailing PAUL DAVID & correcting him on a couple of chords from his how to play video!!! , to right, it's nice to see you UA-cam guys are finally being recognised for the legitimate ARTISTS YOU REALLY ARE . Many thanks again for your wonderful work, you have certainly made my life a nicer place & Dan your playing on that Jonny Jag is a pleasure to behold. PEACE AND LOVE TO EVERYONE ❤❤.
wonderful episode!! I was wearing my "Fuzz Is All You Need" Shirt while watching this. I think we all know this is true on the one hand. But we also know after watching this some nice delay and other nice effects is wonderful to have too. I have a Carbon Copy analog delay and the FreeTheTone Flight Time which I love for it's tone and possibility to program on timebase and a Strymon Volante for simulation of multihead delay machines.
I think one of the things that doesn't get mentioned enough is that the early Boss digital delays had an 800 ms maximum delay time, while the early Boss analogue delays maxed out around 300 ms. This has implications for the ways in which delay can be rhythmically used, because the classic dotted eighth note delay at 120 bpm works out to 375 ms, and the quarter note triplet delay is 333 ms. For those of us who used rhythmic delays, I think the most commonly used delay times for popular music are going to be in the 300-500 ms range, and the DM-2 and DM3 just couldn't do that, at all, unless you increase the tempo to an uncomfortable 144 bpm or higher. I didn't pick up guitar until about 1989, so my first delays were a DSD-2 Digital Sampler/Delay borrowed from the drummer in my band, and later I purchased a PS-2 Digital Pitch Shifter/Delay, which went up to a full 2000 ms.
Yes, but if you shorten the delay time down to 14-3 ms, and raise the feedback, while feeding the whole thing into an amp, you get vocals. As long as you filter right.
Fantastic episode, chaps! You both seem so happy & well placed. It’s a nice thing. Also, the low key head to head on Dan’s Red & Mick’s new NF10 is how guitar reviews should done! Cool to note the contrasts and just listen and enjoy. Thanks very much! Cheers
Great video as always, and one that has gone to prove once again that I have been sleeping on the DD-3. I hate myself for this next part and please excuse this awful pedantry, but it's the one thing that drives me mad: sample *rate*; bit *depth*; **_never_** bit *rate* (unless you're talking about compression algorithms).
Hey D&M, I finally got the chance to watch this vid for the second time, this time through my surround-sound home theater….why? just because it sounds so bloody good! That Two-Rock, those delays and those guitars all sounded glorious! Speaking of guitars, despite me being a PRS Fan-Boy, the guitar star of this episode was that Jaguar, what a great looking and sounding instrument! I was also glad to see the discussions of 12-bit delay goodness. On my Strymon DIG, the 12-bit delay is wonderful….and used most often. And, as always, thanks for the great sound and visual production. It is ALWAYS appreciated!!
I love this episode. You guys have helped me understand pedals even more so through your channel. This helped even more. Also, I discovered Dan's secret guitar power. The Delay Master. Lol, that was some amazing playing Dan. I would also like to mention Mick's playing wasn't a struggle. It sounded like a great blues-rock sound that would inspire. Keep that up. It may be your breakout sound.
Love this video like all of yours. This one made me feel like I was texting you with my brain when you went to the Boss pedal. I have the EVH version and love it however the learning curve is pretty steep which has certainly curtailed how much I use it. Trying to set up an expression pedal to control delay volume only took me 4 days and an email back and fourth with Roland support. They were very helpful but the experience has made it harder to really get into the pedal. Thanks for all you do. Have a great weekend.
TPS is seriously one of the most guitar-intelligent channels on UA-cam. How on earth are the boys still not at 500k subscribers. We need to start some sort of subs drive and get Mick & Dan over the line for Christmas. @RickBeato @PaulDavids @MusicisWin @andertons
Would love to see the recognition of numbers for Mick and Dan, but … gotta say how much I admire and appreciate them for picking an underserved target audience and serving them (us!) beautifully. This vid is a great example of what they do super, super well. Most people don’t want this level of detail, but for me, it is effing brilliant! Speaking of plans of things to get done before Christmas, getting TPS to 500K would be fab, let’s all show some love and merch up for the holidays! 🎄😀👍🏻
@@markkennedy1022 Agreed. I will never own most of this stuff, but the equipment I do own, I understand far better because of this channel. Thanks, TPS. 😎
My engineer dad bought me a Boss DD3 when I was in high school in the late 90s and I'll never part with it. Love that thing. Of course, he spent the drive home talking to me about chips and what not. I just wanted to schwang.
i've landed pretty whole heartedly on the RE2, the rhythmic thing is just so great and no other digital delay i've tired gets out of the way quite as well
El duderino's after 20 years of playing through digital delays, I finally took the analog plunge & bit on a chunk of JAM. My Delay Llama Ex is showing up here in mere minutes. ...and you guys are already making me want a digital delay! lol
I love my OTO Bim for non-guitar duty (too much work for integrating it with guitar impedance/etc.) but the Eventide Rose has turned out to my favorite stompbox delay. Similar digital with analog bits hybrid but correct impedance and 9V power. Ugly as sin, initially a bit confusing interface, but the analog filter, reverse capability, various types of modulation, etc. make it a beast - and it sounds incredible no matter what.
I saw that PRS & digital delay & thought - this is not the episode for me. I'm glad I stayed though! Mind you, I don't think that PRS will appeal to me
"I've got 15 minutes a day to play guitar and all I want to do is sit down and play one chord and just be taken on a journey" - I'm in this show and I like!
Epic as always. Watching over a break in my day. I’m assuming the new 2290 pedal hadn’t dropped yet at the time of filming… so looking forward to a possible follow up/addendum with your reactions.
Great, I am searching for the definite delay pedal... I have a Reecho Pro by Moore, I have to say it's a very nice option, yet obviously it's pretty cheap (got it used for €75 in a store, works perfectly). The Tape simulation is out of this world for its price
Because of TPS, I recently bought a FTT FF, not just because of the great delay sounds, but because it is capable of amazing flanger and chorus tones. I use the 4 presets on tap for short delay, big delay (with the two lines), chorus without delay and chorus with long delay. Replaced 4 pedals on my board.
I bought mine 2 weeks ago and still can’t seem to adjust Delay A. I mute B…and then no delay appears at all, so A is presumably not working. No doubt I have missed something obvious. Wish I could get it to work!
I am a delay freek and bought the Halo, because I loved the small form and thought, right this is the one. I only really use 3 delay settings live. Dotted 8th, quarter and slapback. But, because I am a singer and sometimes wear boots! I was hitting the 2 footswitches by accident sometimes,lol! So now I am using the quartermaster to switch! But, the real point I wanted to make in relation to this video is, I was used to digital delays and just turning down the effect volume to not have it too prominent. And for me, it has been a real struggle to get the Halo to sit right, one because of the actual level of the delay, is so different to my Nova Delay for example. But listening to this, I think I will start using wet/dry. Not wet dry wet, I can't take 3 amps to the gig! Thanks for this, it really made up my mind!
It would so amazing if you guys could somehow make an episode with the Edge. It would interesting to hear his story with the pedals and sounds he created with them...
Great show. I love delay and have had many delay pedals. My current favorite is the ducking delay in the Line 6 HX Effects with an expression pedal controlling the mix from a low mix level of 18 percent to a maximum level of 40 percent. It sounds great. I have a bunch of your shirts. I always get a lot of comments on how cool they are. Thanks from Angelo in Michigan
Yes, Dan, I know you said not to do this but need need NEED you guys to try out the Benson Delay! It certainly may have been lost among the other 10-15,000 pedals released this month but it sounds mindbogglingly good. Would love to see what you guys think! Cheers!
As a bassist who plays guitar and loves your show it would be really interesting if you could get a bass player on for a show of what guitar gear do bassists use and what bass gear do guitarists use. My daughter prefers my Orange bass amp for her Gretsch Penguin because it doesn't get flubby and she uses my bass signal splitting pedal on her pedal board. I use a bunch of guitar pedals for my bass signal chain.
I'd say you can use most gear for both, but it probably depends on taste and setup which gear is "good" for both. For instance i use an Earthquaker Devices Dunes overdrive for bass while my Darkglass Hyper Luminal compressor is on the guitar board. There's also people who use like Engl Fireball guitar tube amps into 4x10 for bass.
@@Leychen Yeah, and we know that because we tried it. But I don't assume all guitar/bass players know those things. I can't tell the difference between my Empress Bass Compressor on bass and guitar but there must be one since they make one specific for bass (I assume there is a difference in the frequency it senses at). I just think it would be something actually new for the channel and that people would learn a lot from it. That said, I don't know if the boys know a gear junkie bassist who would delight in spending an afternoon fiddling with gear, but it wouldn't surprise me if they did.
I was all about analog delay for so long. I recently bought a couple of rack digital delays from the 80s and 90s. (Chandler Stereo echo and Roland SDE 1000). It completely changed my mind about digital delay. So much character! Grabbed a long chip dd-3 and A diamond memory lane jr. and I can't stop with the digital delays now! So many different textures!
How do you like the Chandler? I have 4 of them. One of them is the SDE2, it has the input control knob. I’m going to get a tech guy to install some input level controls on my SDE originals. Have you ever played it in stereo, getting that wide phasing trick? It’s almost as big sounding as a TC 1210 Spatial Expander.
@@zenlandzipline Awesome! I would love to track down a backup. It is currently my favorite delay of all time! I have used it in stereo it is quite a sound! The modulation is truly exceptional. I thought it was a little extreme at first but I love it with a slow speed and lower depth. Mine is the original without the level adjust. Haven't noticed an issue with the input level with any of my amps. I built a 4u mini rack with british racing green tolex (looks like a head shell) for the rack delays. I run them in the effects loop with a small loop switcher on my board. That way I can easily use them in the studio or bring them to play out if I am feeling like going over the top.
@@heyitsmekid the SDE 2 doesn’t sound as good as the originals. They ran out of the chips they were using for the original when they started making the 2. Don’t waste your money on the 2. It really doesn’t have that magic sound. Also, some history: the Chandler SDE is actually an old delay pedal made by a company called Vestax. Paul Chandler had the guts of the Vestax pedal put into a rack and added the faux stereo outs. That pedal was very cheap. If you open your SDE, you will see there isn’t a whole lot going on inside. It has a great sound. Some people call it the “poor man’s PCM 42”. I have a bunch of high end rack gear (Eventide Eclipse, Lexicon PCM81, TC 1210, etc) but the Chandler is really cool cool, especially for the money.
I dont know, if its because you are so familiar with them, but Chrono Delay and Futur Factory totaly dominated this video. Absolutely lovely sound, even for Tape head as I am. I can live with those
DANDandan, you were made to play ambient stuff like that intro, Delay suits you man. Love your videos guys, your explanation on how to use 2 amps and play with a dry/ wet signal inspired me to get a strymon DIG dual delay after my overdrives and boosts and use that as a signal splitter (L out via strymon Flint tremolo and reverb to 1 amp and R out directly to the other amp), AND buffer (because I don't have room for an additional splitter) which works magically. So when the delay is turned off, I've got a split signal of which the 'dry' goes straight into amp 1, and the 'wet' signal goes via the flint into amp 2. But when I turn the delay on, I get super stereo delay through 2 amps of which one of them also gets reverb and tremolo and the other doesnt. I'm happy
The Halo is the delay that I can live because of the way you cannot be annoyed by the attack of all the repeats. It solved my delay dilemma. Control it with an expression pedal and you’re done. Perfection.
I do regret missing the time when the UD stomp and Magic Stomp were out. Imagine having access to 8 lines of pannable modulated delays with eq. Absolutely insane. I do think the Eventide Time Factor was also pretty ahead of its time. You could have dual delays left and right but with any type of delay available in the pedal. You could have two modulated or two tape or digital or anything else.
I have been looking at the Meris Polymoon alot recently, but i think this episode actually helped me decide it wasn't the delay pedal for me. It sounds great, but it does way too much for my playing, i think i might be looking for something more simple. Thanks for a nice informative episode, i think Digital delay is where it's at for me, some DSP these days are just so good, i struggle to see why i would go analog to be honest. One of my favorite delays is the SolidGoldFX Electroman Mk.II or it's newer version, the "EM-III" :)
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Remember, all your favourite music up to the mid 80's was recorded on tape. Tape delays, in good shape, were far more 'pristine' than the first digital delays. The sound people tend to ASSOCIATE with tape delays today is that of a worn tape, driven input stage, and questionable transport system, producing the modulation, wow, flutter, and 'warmth' (tape saturation) that we think about in tape delays. I worked in broadcasting for years, and I would often 'borrow' one of the stations very-well-taken-care-of Revox 1/2" stereo reel-to-reel machines to provide delay on my recorded guitar, and, if I needed it to be, it was FAR cleaner than any digital delay of the time (80's and 90's.)
This a GREAT point. Thank you Gary!
One thing that I’ve always had trouble understanding, was why Hendrix never used an Echorec or Echoplex live.
He never even attempted to play quite a few songs live, because there was a lot of tape delay, and other effects on them. He was the highest paid live musician in the world, by ‘69, and it wouldn’t have been that difficult to figure out, as bands like Pink Floyd, were using them in ‘67 onward.
Gilmour even was using the same BC108 transistor Fuzz Face, that Roger Mayer had Jimi using by ‘67 through his last performance.
Gilmour wasn’t going through Marshalls, but he certainly got Fuzz and played loudly, like Hendrix.
It’s just a shame we never got to hear Jimi playing the 1983 medley, or just delay in general, live. With what he was doing, I can’t believe he wouldn’t be using tape delay, like a Syd Barrett was.
True. I remember reading about the earlier Boss DD2 and DD3 and how warm they were compared to a well maintained Echoplex. Eric Johnson used the 3 along with a Echoplex and later, a Memory Man. I think he liked the warmth of the early 3's but also the longer delay times.
90s more like.
@@danmist I mean pro tools came along in '91, but there were other digital recording media before that such as DAT, which came out in '87
I wish The Edge will be one day chatting hours long with Dan and Mike about delays.
Could not imagine a more epic show. You guys could come to Vegas to do that show.
Best show ever. ever. ever. ever. ever. ever. ever. ever. ever. I could go on ......
The sheer number of options available to guitarists today are almost a disservice - too many things to choose from. I say this as one who has spent years trying so many different options of delay, reverb and of course dirt. I've had to tell myself, as a songwriter who needs to make demos, that good enough is good enough. If I were an artist, it would be a different level of obsession. Appreciate all you do. I have learned so much from your videos over the years.
If in doubt, buy the small Boss pedals 😂
Had DL4 mk2 and it gave me option paralysis. Traded it for UA Starlight bc Mick commented on simplicity of 3 delays instead of a bunch. It is fantastic. Thanks, Gents!
Boss SDE3000D this is definitely on my wish list
The DD3 is a beast. Don't let anyone tell you that it isn't. It's the best $100 you can spend on a pedal.
Please
Love that Halo. I was introduced to Andy by you chaps and I went out and bought that pedal straight away. Now, I’ve never really been a delay guy….but ever since I got that pedal, I RARELY play without it…and I have you two fine fellows and Andy to thank/blame for it! Cheers!
Hey guys 57:36 should be the time stamp for “why we didn’t have the Meris lvx” love everything you do! Love my lvx!!!! Can’t wait for that episode!
Using the Timeline for a decade now and it still fits my needs.
God bless you TPS, for doing your thing in the face of adversity. To the complainers, do you realize how many options are on the market now? So many channels are on UA-cam to demo every single one! Why is it on TPS to cover them? This is not an 'entire market of delays' survey, nor an assessment of merit in that context.
I think this is a VERY good primer for those trying to grasp the range of digital delays, and handy pre-sorting for those approaching the multitude of options for the first time.
We have high hopes when it comes to humans. And boy do we need them. Ha!
Thank you for the comment. :0)
Teach a person to fish
Picked up an SDE-3000 EVH a couple weeks ago and it's absolutely glorious. EVH 5150 III as the dry amp in a wet/dry/wet. Huge sound.
Yes. The EVH SDE-3000 is the best delay pedal I have ever owned. It does the Andy Timmons Halo sound but the EVH version of that. It is also easy to use. A very quick skimming of the manual will allow you to get deep into all the functions. I have the Free The Tone delay. It arrived with the LED broken that tells you the delay is on - not the end of the world but not great. Also, deep dive into manual was quite frustrating. Not able to get the sounds I want out of the FTT delay, although it is has a beautiful pristine delay. Recommend highly the EVH SDE 3000. Super easy to use and it will elevate your sound.
None of these sound like the old units … but I really like the Halo; that’s nice 😎👍🏼
Well, my experiments in Physical Delay have sufficiently proved that Analog is far more economical and effective, so it looks like you guys are going on the right path. 🤘
I'm a simplistic guy. That said, the one that does it all for me is the Keeley Halo. Awesome sounds, easy to dial in and unbeatable footprint. Can't wait to get my hands on one of those.
Great playing and demo, thanks much. For me it was one of your best episodes.
It didn't make the cut here, but the GFI System Orca delay is my sleeper of sleepers. When I first took it out of the box, I played it for an hour without touching any knobs and was in heaven. I own a Line 6 DL4 mk2 but even with its 30 delay algorithms I don't prefer it to the Orca, which only has 4. I often play with ONLY the Orca straight into the amp, with no other effects and it sounds terrific. Usually I don't want other effects masking the Orca's pure, great sounding delays. 3 of the 4 delays ported to the Orca were already on the Specular Tempus. The Tape Delay is new for the Orca. I also have a Flashback 2 which is a decent enough delay pedal but no competition for the Orca.
For a pedal that costs about half of what the Orca goes for, I thought the BOSS Digital Delay was damn impressive. I've never owned a boutique delay pedal so those were not of as much interest, and probably not comparable.
Particularly enjoyed the playing, polymoon and philosophical tangent at the end. Thanks yall!
You are correct with the comment at the end Mick they are just devices but with out the hands of the guy on the guitar they just sit there and do nothing as does the guitar but when you get time to sit and mess around with this stuff they can be a lot of fun even inspiring great show as always guys look forward to next weeks episode
Apart from the delay stuff, Dan seems to be enjoying his new guitar🤘
In 1981 I designed and programmed with a Z80 12bit AD/DA running at 4Mhz. It had like 2K or ram. It was at that time really high end. Today I work with 32bit AD/DA converters (ESSTech) and 32bit microcontrollers capable of DSP functions at 120Mhz in the same package and they have 12bit AD/DA internally.
Modelling: I always like to remind people that Fourier and LaPlace came up with this math in 1820's. Everything they did was infinite, not 12, 24 etc... without regard to sample rate.
You would go to floating point math in more complex delays because the required coefficients are all less than 1. So doing math with integers is a bit of a mess with coefficients times samples. Some DSP and Processors have built in floating point processors to make this math easier and less complex. Just requires more powerful CPU/DSP.
Great show, I am a set and go and would probably go DD3T. Thanks Gordon
Just head to add that the Jag sounds and looks BEAUTIFUL.
Mick, showing off the cosmic country chops!!
I feel like the Polymoon gets put in this box of being super weird. It DOES do all that stuff, but it also does do really easy and obvious delay sounds. I wish we could calm down and look at it normally. That stuff is only complicated if you turn it on. I understand why Dan did, but it frustrates me slightly that these sounds are the only things people think that pedal does. Try this on: Polymoon a great different feel alternative for people who get into space echo or echorec multitap type sounds. More rhythmic possibilities, different modulation, but still in there. Free the Polymoon! It's a misunderstood pedal, and I think portrayals like this, understanding their good intentions, sometimes don't help. Love the show! Old school TPS!
Fwiw, SDE-3000D and EVH comprise a switchable option for the dry/dsp through. Boss doesn't advertise, but checked both manuals and found it somewhat cryptically under "bypass." The fact that it's interacting dual stereo lines and not just dual mono lines is just fantastic.
I’m shocked to say this, but I think my favorite was the Boss Digital Delay, followed closely by the Halo. Just an iconic sound that doesn’t need any adjustments to my ears.
There’s a reason why this pedal has been around for decades in different incarnations. I bought one of the first ones in the 80s and for what it’s designed it just does it perfectly.
Awesome intro playing from Dan!
This is so timely, Lads! I finally picked up a delay pedal earlier this year. I got the Keeley / Timmons Halo. Andy's Halo preset is the first time delay ever made sense to me under MY OWN fingers. Now I want more! Looking forward to watching when I have a little more time this weekend. Thank you!
I'm not going to start talking about what's on my board and what isn't, because I really think you had the right approach to this. What I will say, though, is that prior to TPS (many moons ago), I used to absolutely HATE delays!
My current board has three delays. One is "always on" and acts as a bit of a doubler, the second is a modeling delay that covers a few classics, and third is rather specific in what it does (muti-head drum echo). Currently out of rotation is really good analog delay. Board real-estate in combination with the fact that the digital ones are getting REALLY good, made me swap it.
So, TYPES of delay all day long rather than specific brands/models.
Cheers, everyone!
By the way "Need to read the manual"... That's just, like, the manufacturers "opinion" anyway ;-)
Great show Leg Ends, the choices that are available today are astounding, you guys are really THE GOLD STANDARD when it comes to demonstrating PEDALS " I suppose the clues in the name of the show" I was a little surprised that given the content you didn't invite THE EDGE to sit in with you guys? . What's hilarious is that a few years ago I would have thought that completely impossible, but these days none of us would be surprised if you said next week ON THAT PEDAL SHOW " ELVIS " & NOT COSTELLO!!! . did you guys hear about PAUL SIMON e.mailing PAUL DAVID & correcting him on a couple of chords from his how to play video!!! , to right, it's nice to see you UA-cam guys are finally being recognised for the legitimate ARTISTS YOU REALLY ARE . Many thanks again for your wonderful work, you have certainly made my life a nicer place & Dan your playing on that Jonny Jag is a pleasure to behold. PEACE AND LOVE TO EVERYONE ❤❤.
wonderful episode!!
I was wearing my "Fuzz Is All You Need" Shirt while watching this. I think we all know this is true on the one hand. But we also know after watching this some nice delay and other nice effects is wonderful to have too.
I have a Carbon Copy analog delay and the FreeTheTone Flight Time which I love for it's tone and possibility to program on timebase and a Strymon Volante for simulation of multihead delay machines.
the look on your faces with the Halo and Two-Rock says it all. That's my sound!
I think one of the things that doesn't get mentioned enough is that the early Boss digital delays had an 800 ms maximum delay time, while the early Boss analogue delays maxed out around 300 ms. This has implications for the ways in which delay can be rhythmically used, because the classic dotted eighth note delay at 120 bpm works out to 375 ms, and the quarter note triplet delay is 333 ms. For those of us who used rhythmic delays, I think the most commonly used delay times for popular music are going to be in the 300-500 ms range, and the DM-2 and DM3 just couldn't do that, at all, unless you increase the tempo to an uncomfortable 144 bpm or higher. I didn't pick up guitar until about 1989, so my first delays were a DSD-2 Digital Sampler/Delay borrowed from the drummer in my band, and later I purchased a PS-2 Digital Pitch Shifter/Delay, which went up to a full 2000 ms.
Yes, but if you shorten the delay time down to 14-3 ms, and raise the feedback, while feeding the whole thing into an amp, you get vocals. As long as you filter right.
Great to see you back, love to see how some of that Marrguargoodness has rubbed off on you.😀
Playing on another level in this show guys! Just wow 😮 🙌❤️
What a good way to start the weekend, a TPS delay pedal video.
Dd3 sounds exactly what your ears want to hear...clear and defined, natural and precise.
Besides the awesome delay sounds.....damn.Dan, you and that Jaguar is just pure bliss ❤
Jag sounds wonderful. Happy weekend 😊
Fantastic episode, chaps!
You both seem so happy & well placed. It’s a nice thing. Also, the low key head to head on Dan’s Red & Mick’s new NF10 is how guitar reviews should done! Cool to note the contrasts and just listen and enjoy.
Thanks very much!
Cheers
Great video as always, and one that has gone to prove once again that I have been sleeping on the DD-3. I hate myself for this next part and please excuse this awful pedantry, but it's the one thing that drives me mad: sample *rate*; bit *depth*; **_never_** bit *rate* (unless you're talking about compression algorithms).
Hey D&M,
I finally got the chance to watch this vid for the second time, this time through my surround-sound home theater….why? just because it sounds so bloody good! That Two-Rock, those delays and those guitars all sounded glorious!
Speaking of guitars, despite me being a PRS Fan-Boy, the guitar star of this episode was that Jaguar, what a great looking and sounding instrument!
I was also glad to see the discussions of 12-bit delay goodness. On my Strymon DIG, the 12-bit delay is wonderful….and used most often.
And, as always, thanks for the great sound and visual production. It is ALWAYS appreciated!!
My takeway....as usual tangential to the topic at hand, is that the Two Rock OD channel sounds killer.
Pedals that learn our playing style with every note we play and provide delay accordingly, surely must be the next evolution.
I love this episode. You guys have helped me understand pedals even more so through your channel. This helped even more. Also, I discovered Dan's secret guitar power. The Delay Master. Lol, that was some amazing playing Dan. I would also like to mention Mick's playing wasn't a struggle. It sounded like a great blues-rock sound that would inspire. Keep that up. It may be your breakout sound.
Thanks Christopher 🤓🙏
Wonderful episode!! That WDW rig sounds amazing!!! That TS1 OD Channel will live in my head for a while....Sounded great, well done gentleman.
Great show guys. love my Polymoon, glad to see it featured!
It’s incredible!
This was absolutely outstanding. Truly great job guys, i love delay and i NEEDED this
Love this video like all of yours. This one made me feel like I was texting you with my brain when you went to the Boss pedal. I have the EVH version and love it however the learning curve is pretty steep which has certainly curtailed how much I use it. Trying to set up an expression pedal to control delay volume only took me 4 days and an email back and fourth with Roland support. They were very helpful but the experience has made it harder to really get into the pedal. Thanks for all you do. Have a great weekend.
It's brilliant that you demoed the delays also with a crunch sound!
Rewatching this and some amazing banter to go with the great playing 🤣
TPS is seriously one of the most guitar-intelligent channels on UA-cam. How on earth are the boys still not at 500k subscribers. We need to start some sort of subs drive and get Mick & Dan over the line for Christmas.
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Ah, thanks so much 🤓🙏
Ha! Thanks. We’re too confusing for big numbers. Hahahah!
When kindness critical thinking comes into vogue, you guys will really take off. I think 500k says a lot about how truly gifted the two of you are
Would love to see the recognition of numbers for Mick and Dan, but … gotta say how much I admire and appreciate them for picking an underserved target audience and serving them (us!) beautifully. This vid is a great example of what they do super, super well. Most people don’t want this level of detail, but for me, it is effing brilliant! Speaking of plans of things to get done before Christmas, getting TPS to 500K would be fab, let’s all show some love and merch up for the holidays! 🎄😀👍🏻
@@markkennedy1022 Agreed. I will never own most of this stuff, but the equipment I do own, I understand far better because of this channel. Thanks, TPS. 😎
Awesome Video like always. Now, I know were to go next. Thank you TPS!
Great great great show guys. Amazing show! More like this!
I’ll take character over modeling/features, any day … ❤️
My engineer dad bought me a Boss DD3 when I was in high school in the late 90s and I'll never part with it. Love that thing. Of course, he spent the drive home talking to me about chips and what not. I just wanted to schwang.
i've landed pretty whole heartedly on the RE2, the rhythmic thing is just so great and no other digital delay i've tired gets out of the way quite as well
Both guitars sound absolutely fantastic!
El duderino's after 20 years of playing through digital delays, I finally took the analog plunge & bit on a chunk of JAM. My Delay Llama Ex is showing up here in mere minutes. ...and you guys are already making me want a digital delay! lol
You absolutely NEED both. :0)
Wow, well done. Dan had some awesome moments in this vid. Killer!
Dan with his red Tele into the OD channel with the Halo sounded just awesome.
I love my OTO Bim for non-guitar duty (too much work for integrating it with guitar impedance/etc.) but the Eventide Rose has turned out to my favorite stompbox delay. Similar digital with analog bits hybrid but correct impedance and 9V power.
Ugly as sin, initially a bit confusing interface, but the analog filter, reverse capability, various types of modulation, etc. make it a beast - and it sounds incredible no matter what.
I saw that PRS & digital delay & thought - this is not the episode for me. I'm glad I stayed though! Mind you, I don't think that PRS will appeal to me
Love the color and to😮ne of the Johnny Marr Jaguar! Love the DD and Line 6.
"I've got 15 minutes a day to play guitar and all I want to do is sit down and play one chord and just be taken on a journey" - I'm in this show and I like!
Epic as always. Watching over a break in my day. I’m assuming the new 2290 pedal hadn’t dropped yet at the time of filming… so looking forward to a possible follow up/addendum with your reactions.
I would totally be fine with a board like this. filled with 9 delays. fun for days 😁
Here to say I love the Noel “I wonder what the settings are” clips with associated amp shots of late. Bang on!
Guys, this was a great show…great show…great show… great show….gre…😊
Extreme value to understand the difference and detect what things that tick the inner soul of my heart according to the best effect there is, Delays
Love it when Dan plays The Tourist ❤
The MEGA DELAY, 3 part series from way back is the reason I got a DD-500. A revisit to this format with new perspectives would be awesome 🤘
Great, I am searching for the definite delay pedal... I have a Reecho Pro by Moore, I have to say it's a very nice option, yet obviously it's pretty cheap (got it used for €75 in a store, works perfectly). The Tape simulation is out of this world for its price
Because of TPS, I recently bought a FTT FF, not just because of the great delay sounds, but because it is capable of amazing flanger and chorus tones. I use the 4 presets on tap for short delay, big delay (with the two lines), chorus without delay and chorus with long delay. Replaced 4 pedals on my board.
FTT great pedal indeed. How do you setup your flanger and chorus tones in it? I use 16ms time, 20 depth, 5 rate for chorus
@@brevink01 about the same. For flanger I use 4ms. There's a great TPS episode on using delays for modulation. That's where I got the idea from.
I bought mine 2 weeks ago and still can’t seem to adjust Delay A. I mute B…and then no delay appears at all, so A is presumably not working. No doubt I have missed something obvious. Wish I could get it to work!
that’s weird. Where do you set delay A at. Mix, feedback . Series , parallel
12/10 episode and playing. That Jaguar and TS1 tone has my wallet hiding in fear.
I am a delay freek and bought the Halo, because I loved the small form and thought, right this is the one. I only really use 3 delay settings live. Dotted 8th, quarter and slapback. But, because I am a singer and sometimes wear boots! I was hitting the 2 footswitches by accident sometimes,lol! So now I am using the quartermaster to switch! But, the real point I wanted to make in relation to this video is, I was used to digital delays and just turning down the effect volume to not have it too prominent. And for me, it has been a real struggle to get the Halo to sit right, one because of the actual level of the delay, is so different to my Nova Delay for example. But listening to this, I think I will start using wet/dry. Not wet dry wet, I can't take 3 amps to the gig! Thanks for this, it really made up my mind!
It would so amazing if you guys could somehow make an episode with the Edge. It would interesting to hear his story with the pedals and sounds he created with them...
I started with a DD3 decades ago and then went through over three decades of the creatives,characters, etc now I'm back at DD200.
Great show. I love delay and have had many delay pedals. My current favorite is the ducking delay in the Line 6 HX Effects with an expression pedal controlling the mix from a low mix level of 18 percent to a maximum level of 40 percent. It sounds great. I have a bunch of your shirts. I always get a lot of comments on how cool they are. Thanks from Angelo in Michigan
One word for this episode: Epic!
Thanks Mike 🤓🙏
Far out boys! Mega sounds again 🎸🎶🔥💯
I believe the term for multiple Memory Men is a Memoir 👾👾👾👾👾
Mick waking up in the middle of the night from a nightmare, in a cold sweat, about his pedalboard going up in smoke 😆
...I can relate 👊
Yes, Dan, I know you said not to do this but need need NEED you guys to try out the Benson Delay! It certainly may have been lost among the other 10-15,000 pedals released this month but it sounds mindbogglingly good. Would love to see what you guys think! Cheers!
Yah, SUPER interested in that one. Mick here. We should acquire one....
My favourite delay is the old digitech digidelay, it's cheap and amazing! It's like a dd3 on steroids. Great video guys, as always!!!!
The Hallo with your Tele through through the Two Rock is practically my clean jazz sound with more gain. This might be the perfect delay pedal.
I am SO impressed by those who have (or have spent) the time to learn things like the Timeline etc.. I don't (haven't) so for me, that HALO is EPIC!
29:10 to 29:16 holy smokes that was lovely
I'm a simple man. I see a new TPS video, I watch it.
1:00:57 He did it! He played the chord! And the crowd goes wild!
Beautiful show. I love delay pedals used as instruments!
As a bassist who plays guitar and loves your show it would be really interesting if you could get a bass player on for a show of what guitar gear do bassists use and what bass gear do guitarists use.
My daughter prefers my Orange bass amp for her Gretsch Penguin because it doesn't get flubby and she uses my bass signal splitting pedal on her pedal board. I use a bunch of guitar pedals for my bass signal chain.
I'd say you can use most gear for both, but it probably depends on taste and setup which gear is "good" for both.
For instance i use an Earthquaker Devices Dunes overdrive for bass while my Darkglass Hyper Luminal compressor is on the guitar board. There's also people who use like Engl Fireball guitar tube amps into 4x10 for bass.
@@Leychen Yeah, and we know that because we tried it. But I don't assume all guitar/bass players know those things. I can't tell the difference between my Empress Bass Compressor on bass and guitar but there must be one since they make one specific for bass (I assume there is a difference in the frequency it senses at).
I just think it would be something actually new for the channel and that people would learn a lot from it.
That said, I don't know if the boys know a gear junkie bassist who would delight in spending an afternoon fiddling with gear, but it wouldn't surprise me if they did.
I was all about analog delay for so long. I recently bought a couple of rack digital delays from the 80s and 90s. (Chandler Stereo echo and Roland SDE 1000). It completely changed my mind about digital delay. So much character! Grabbed a long chip dd-3 and A diamond memory lane jr. and I can't stop with the digital delays now! So many different textures!
How do you like the Chandler? I have 4 of them. One of them is the SDE2, it has the input control knob. I’m going to get a tech guy to install some input level controls on my SDE originals.
Have you ever played it in stereo, getting that wide phasing trick? It’s almost as big sounding as a TC 1210 Spatial Expander.
@@zenlandzipline Awesome! I would love to track down a backup. It is currently my favorite delay of all time! I have used it in stereo it is quite a sound! The modulation is truly exceptional. I thought it was a little extreme at first but I love it with a slow speed and lower depth. Mine is the original without the level adjust. Haven't noticed an issue with the input level with any of my amps. I built a 4u mini rack with british racing green tolex (looks like a head shell) for the rack delays. I run them in the effects loop with a small loop switcher on my board. That way I can easily use them in the studio or bring them to play out if I am feeling like going over the top.
@@heyitsmekid the SDE 2 doesn’t sound as good as the originals. They ran out of the chips they were using for the original when they started making the 2. Don’t waste your money on the 2. It really doesn’t have that magic sound.
Also, some history: the Chandler SDE is actually an old delay pedal made by a company called Vestax. Paul Chandler had the guts of the Vestax pedal put into a rack and added the faux stereo outs. That pedal was very cheap. If you open your SDE, you will see there isn’t a whole lot going on inside.
It has a great sound. Some people call it the “poor man’s PCM 42”.
I have a bunch of high end rack gear (Eventide Eclipse, Lexicon PCM81, TC 1210, etc) but the Chandler is really cool cool, especially for the money.
Great color on the Jag!!
I dont know, if its because you are so familiar with them, but Chrono Delay and Futur Factory totaly dominated this video. Absolutely lovely sound, even for Tape head as I am. I can live with those
Gilmour pick lol🎉
DANDandan, you were made to play ambient stuff like that intro, Delay suits you man. Love your videos guys, your explanation on how to use 2 amps and play with a dry/ wet signal inspired me to get a strymon DIG dual delay after my overdrives and boosts and use that as a signal splitter (L out via strymon Flint tremolo and reverb to 1 amp and R out directly to the other amp), AND buffer (because I don't have room for an additional splitter) which works magically. So when the delay is turned off, I've got a split signal of which the 'dry' goes straight into amp 1, and the 'wet' signal goes via the flint into amp 2. But when I turn the delay on, I get super stereo delay through 2 amps of which one of them also gets reverb and tremolo and the other doesnt. I'm happy
Also, Boss DD3 is sick because it has direct out. Shame the newer ones lost that
The Halo is the delay that I can live because of the way you cannot be annoyed by the attack of all the repeats. It solved my delay dilemma. Control it with an expression pedal and you’re done. Perfection.
Do you run the halo in stereo? I find in mono the AT preset gets muddy. In stereo different story doesnt get in the way at all
At about 1:46:07 and such, Dan shows again what a great friend he is.
I read that the Ibanez DM1000 was an 8 bit delay. All I know is I have one and it's lovely
my bad ! its a TS1 combo but I have to say that OD channel sounds killer! Cheers
I do regret missing the time when the UD stomp and Magic Stomp were out. Imagine having access to 8 lines of pannable modulated delays with eq. Absolutely insane.
I do think the Eventide Time Factor was also pretty ahead of its time. You could have dual delays left and right but with any type of delay available in the pedal. You could have two modulated or two tape or digital or anything else.
I have been looking at the Meris Polymoon alot recently, but i think this episode actually helped me decide it wasn't the delay pedal for me. It sounds great, but it does way too much for my playing, i think i might be looking for something more simple.
Thanks for a nice informative episode, i think Digital delay is where it's at for me, some DSP these days are just so good, i struggle to see why i would go analog to be honest. One of my favorite delays is the SolidGoldFX Electroman Mk.II or it's newer version, the "EM-III" :)