“It turns out that Ren didn’t need help. The creator John K needed help.” -PhantomStrider This quote I feel like summarizes the entirety of adult party cartoon and John Kricfalusi’s downfall.
I thought he made the Adult Party Cartoons out of spite from getting fired from the first seasons. If someone had the freedom to do whatever they wants with their own works without studio's interventions and be able to raise the age of an originally kid show, they would be thrilled. He ruined it.
This is one of my fave shows e er. Def one of the ones j i have on in the background when im relaxing or working. However a certain … “seen” was def part of my hearly 20s lezb0 awakenings. Not sorry. 🎉 Stil think the film isn’t too bad! It’s still Drawn Together so it’s still good for me no matter how dumb it is
@@DeadPixel1105for real. They’re so salty about it too, their whole movie they spent ripping on South Park and how it gets more attention than them. Well no shit! Which is gonna get more attention the show with substance or the poor attempt at one?
Yeah. I mean, if the creators were actually clever enough about it, they could've actually mocked the legit shortcomings of South Park (oh yeah, there are some real stinkers in there), but ultimately, it's just a long-winded "Why don't you like me, too?" rant.
@@retrogamelover2012 Many people didn't consider South Park good in its early seasons before the creators took classes on how to write proper storyboards. Personally I've never liked Mr. Hankey.
I feel like the main reason the original Ren and Stimpy worked so well was because there was always someone there, telling John that what he should and shouldn’t do. Like “No John, you can’t make an episode that just gross-out jokes” or “You can’t make an episode about Stimpy getting pregnant.” Without that other force, you basically allowing an animator with no self-control to do whatever they want, leading to a big mess of unfunny gags and sex appeal.
Tbf there was already an episode called “Son of Stimpy” about Stimpy giving birth to a fart and that one was sorta funny, so an episode directly about Stimpy getting pregnant (or protecting an egg or something) could have worked. Instead the intense grossout, painful to watch Stimpy abuse, lackluster pacing and homophobic implications ruined it. Definitely my least favorite episode in the adult show. I’d rather watch Onward and Upward (barely) compared to whatever the hell that was.
I said it once and will say it again: the most disgusting thing that John K. made for this show was a script implying that the abusive parts of Ren should represent the worst parts of him AND the victim he molested...
Indeed, that he treated her leaving as though she's the villain and that she ought to be content with her abuse is that too. I think Stimpy in the script is John wanting robin to be content with his abuse towards her and likeoy bribed her with stuff. While ren is John K as his angriest and most abusive I now wonder if Stimpy in the script could also represent John K as a sad, powerless man who cries about things not going his way. That he is a control freak, perfectionist pedo who cries when things don't go the way he wants.
@@TECH097 yeah, it’s called “The Succubus” and I believe it was revealed in an email to Katie Rice when he wanted to get her to come back into his life. It wasn’t a script but a small episode idea and it’s disturbing.
i remember getting the adult party cartoon DVD for my 16th birthday. i watched the pre-episode commentary on naked beach frenzy and saw how uncomfortable katie rice was. just the way her hand movements were and how she seemed to not want to be close to john. alarm bells went off in my head but i just thought i was being paranoid. 4 years later id learn that my intuition was correct when she came out with the allegations. as someone with bipolar and ADHD it also offends me that john uses it as an excuse to be a p*do
I hate how people use it as an excuse for so much dumb bs, I have it pretty bad, well... ADHD, bipolar is what my family thinks but Idk, but its not an excuse for me to be a dick to people, I still have awareness and morality, my actions are the result of me, not because I am hyper, my ADHD makes me just multitask more than anything, not mf touch kids, most of this stuff comes from mf weirdos and for some reason, white teenage girls, they always talked about self diagnosed BS
You would think some other people would have noticed in the eight years since the DVD was released, and would wonder why she participated so much on his blog and stuff.
I saw that a year or two for myself on DVD, never saw APC before. That interview was so hard to watch… She looked so so uncomfortable… And I didn’t watch much of the cartoon either, was awful and really awkward and hard to take. I’ll stick to the original series from now on…
Quite sad that it tarnished the reputation of Ren & Stimpy despite the early halt. I'm also glad the episode Succubus never made it past the rough pitch.
I said it once and will again. I think for Naked Beach Frenzy, John K likely wanted the women to be 14-15 years old, but the cast and crew wanted them to be 20 somethings. I think that the flaws of adult animation remind me of underground comics. The creators work in restrictive mediums and when given freedom decide to put in as much gross out and sex stuff as possible to push boundaries. Perhaps Baked Beach Frenzy being porn is how this put stuff that is vulgar mindset eventually does. That they feel that they should make porn. After all isn't porn boundary pushing and taboo? And from this the male writers have excuses to project their sex fantasies and use women as sex props for their fantasies.
The truth is, it's not just John K. There has been evidence that some of the people who work on, say, Rugrats and Spongebob, would want to do just as gross stuff as John K. John K was just less good at hiding that fact.
Basically the "Life Sucks" episode is basically idealism vs. cynicism. Also, I never knew that "Succubus" episode existed until now, and the story was kinda disturbing.
I think what I especially hate about the Altruists episode is that people seriously believe that the log sawing scene is from The Ren and Stimpy Show and use it to talk about how messed up the show they grew up with was. I remember pointing out on a Facebook group that the scene never aired on Nickelodeon and a bunch of jive ass turkeys ganged up on me to tell me I was wrong even tho they were the ones wrong
I really hope it doesn’t get claimed this time. It’s honestly weird that the original version of this video didn’t get a copyright claim, but this one did.
Honestly ALL of the APC episodes sound like abysmal creepypastas. Not just bad, full on ABYSMAL, with the succubus one being an EXTRA amount of disgusting & vile.
I stumbled across this by complete accident on tv. I was 10. I didn't realize untill years later this was a "adult special" series. It was completely hilarious.
wow, those ren and stimpy impressions were actually pretty decent! too bad they were used for a self insert, where the insert was an abusive guy, but nice job!
I have never knew the fact that UA-cam is absolutely dumb enough to copyright claim... royalty-free music? In a video about Ren And Stimpy's Adult Cartoon Party?! Come on, now... 🤦♀
After learning about the Succubus episode and everything about it, I’m glad this unimaginable nightmare of an episode wasn’t made. I’m curious if John K himself has regrets about that or what was on display in the APC.
I’d be curious about a take on ’Evil Ren’, probably one of the oppressive cartoons ever made. It’s not funny, has no real plot other than Ren being straight up sadistic to Stimpy, and seems to be the animated equivalent to a snuff film.
I can't believe this video got copyright claimed because of royalty free music, are they trying to say they own the music!?! That's stupid Glad to see this video again regardless
I was so stoked to see a childhood favorite of mine in a modern day cartoon for adults. I saw episode zero and was thrilled. Then i watched episode 1, then 2 then no more! It reminded me of the latter seasons of the old show which i basically just sat through
Billy West from the original Ren and Stimpy and Eric Bauza from the adult party Ren and Stimpy have both voiced Daffy Duck and Bugs Bunny at different points in their lives, when they have also voiced Stimpy.
You can tell Eric Buaza has distanced himself as much as he can from Adult Party Cartoon. For example, there is a drawn picture showing all of the cartoon characters that Eric has voiced in his career. All standing together in a crowd. There are dozens of characters. But you know who's missing from that crowd of characters? Stimpy. He wants everyone to forget that he had anything to do with APC. And nobody can blame him a bit. In fact, nearly all sources that list Eric's career accomplishments leave Stimpy off the list. Both Eric and his fanbase are like: "Yeah, we're gonna pretend that didn't happen, okay?" 😂
@@DeadPixel1105can't blame him, Billy west rejected reprising His role in APC because of 2 reasons: 1. He Hated John K. For basically being a jerk to him un múltiple ocasiones. 2. He read the scripts nad thought "this Will ruin muy career permanently" So yeah, i don't want to imagine the hell that Eric had to go trough in orden to play stimpy in APC.
Man's best friend was actually aired in the UK a few times. I didn't grow up the show, since I'm a 2000s kid, but yeah around the mid 2010s I remember them putting re-runs of Ren and Stimpy on Nick/Nicktoons during the day. I must have watched most of season 1 and 2 then at the age of 8 or 9, but then maybe they got complaints? I'm not sure why they decided to air it here during that time.
For years I had no idea that there were two different ren and stimpy. I remember rewatching this show and thinking why did I like this so much as a kid. I didn’t remember it being so gross.
Ren and Stimpy: Adult Party Cartoon represents the very bottom of the trenches, depths that had never been reached by any cartoon ever since... Until Velma came along and managed to reach deeper depths.
Nah. Velma sucks but this shit here ruined my childhood. I had Ren and Stimpy everything. Birthday parties all that. Then one day late at night after work I saw it on TV and wanted to relive my childhood. Boy was I wrong and the show sucked so bad I never wanted to see this shit again or even let my kids know this existed. It’s that bad. Velma just fucking sucks. I rather watch paint dry than watch Velma. I rather rip my eyes out before I ever see another episode of this garbage.
I vaguely remember adult party cartoon and wanted to watch it but couldn't because i was 10 and it was my bedtime lol years later on i think i dodged a bullet!
"Onward & Upward" could've worked if the restaurant featured was a fancy pants restaurant known for being so cheap, that it refused to buy actual ingredients; instead deciding to "save it up" by using bodily fluids cooked in the form of foods. And R & S in an attempt to appear classy, reluctantly consume said bodily fluids. You can even have the sales guy scam artist (who is the manager of the restaurant) drop this line to explain things: "Here at "La Grosse" we take an innovative approach to saving money! While poor people are spending their not-so-well-earned money on "actual food", La Grosse saves it BIG by using the amazing wonders of the human body to satiate it's customers!" As for "Naked Beach Frenzy", cut back the sexual aspect by 50-70%. And have the women want to fuck Stimpy while they ignore Ren. With Stimpy innocently assuming that they are just interested in him non-sexually. A jealous Ren tries to get their attention and shenanigans ensue.
Hey, at the very least, with that idea for how to improve "Onward and upward", it would've been a little bit creative and possibly could've been a slight jab at how shallow or pretentious, a lot of ideas of how to live the high life could've been.
You know, I actually brainstormed an idea for a gross-out joke that could actually be funny. I imagined that at some point, Ren & Stimpy would be getting ready to dig into what they think is sausages, only for Ren to stop after noticing a smell. Then, when he finds out where the smell came from, he snaps and shouts "That's it! I draw the line at this!", before being interrupted by a loud burp and turning to see that Stimpy had already finished his meal, to which he replies with "Uhh, what line, Ren?". Which leads to Ren in both horror and disgust, rushing to the toilet of their newfound home, where he proceeds to be sick in it.
@@retrogamelover2012Lmfao. That's actually pretty clever. I like how we're coming up with far more creative ideas than the writers did because they presumed spit, snot, puke, piss, and shit are all funny in and of themselves.
Imagine using Ren and Stimpy as a device to bring someone you mentally scarred back into your life. It’s honestly kinda disturbing when you think about one of the most influential cartoons in history being used like that. It’s already bad enough with John himself, but using the project that made him a big name in animation just makes you look at the series in an uncomfortable perspective, had the episode been fully written and aired.
Bad writing aside. I really disliked the adult Party art and animation style. Also, It's good to see someone saying I strongly agree with since I watched APC in the early 2000s, that the original was good because John K had a great team behind him and once he had full control it really went bad
Only reason why I find the snot scenes kinda funny in APC is because how they're eating it, all fancy with their mouths puckered lol. I also like the flute scene, it reminded me of 1991 Ren And Stimpy! The art style of APC is also pretty detailed and nice. Those are my only positives...
“When put in a cage you find ways to pass the time, when set free you don’t know how to survive and you die.” This saying I just made up essentially encapsulates any form of creativity. Especially for John K who didn’t have that cage to lock his imagination in leading to the yes men who wanted more viewers to just let him run free until his ideas died out in the open 7 episodes in for all to see.
I have a Japanese friend that I am pen pals with, and showed off a practice sketch I did with these two. The only thing he knew about this show was that one log scene that blew up on Twitter, he was scarred by it, and I had to explain that there were two different versions. That was fun....
In order for Ren & Stimpy to be a great show, it required what the first two seasons had. It wasn’t just John K. It was John K with Bob camp, and Billy West all working together. John screwed it up.
It's actually insane how disconnected certain people in important situations can be. They wanted to make more stuff for the original fans, the best thing is anyone of any age can enjoy the original show because of how creative and unique it was. The moment they tried to make it an Adult show flat out ruins it and I wish more people can understand they can make cartoons that people of different ages can greatly enjoy. Perfect example is Roco's Modern Life. As well as many other's from the 90's-Y2K era. They made animated cartoons so well that I've gone back and watched them now that I'm 30 & it showed me just how well made a lot of them are.
John Kricfalusi thought the censorship on Nickelodeon held the show back, and that the lack of censorship would make the show funnier. Also, he was scared of the success of South Park, and wanted Ren & Stimpy to appeal to that same audience.
Unfortunately, John K. doesn't get that gross-out, sex, and raunchy themes does not a mature cartoon make; you have to take into account of characterization and how they would be handled based on that. Not to mention subjects that very few people would tackle, but in a very subtle way, and not be extremely condoning about it, or even give the wrong idea.
Though saying that, South Park was not free from the last two pitfalls, considering how it inadvertently kind of shaped the current bastardised perception of centrism (which can be summed up with "Nothing matters and you're stupid for giving a shit about things").
@@robbiewalker2831 He not only doesn't get the Raunchy humor, John K actually wasn't in charge of APC. He was just a supervisor and reprised his voice of Ren, Onward and Upward wasn't even Directed OR produced by him.
OK, so it wasn’t enough for John K. to be the kind of… _individual_ that he is; he had to make a caricature/portrayal of one of his *victims* in one of the episodes of this misbegotten follow-up? *_JEEZ (😬)!_*
Here's a fun fact: Early 2000s. Nick cartoons were often purchased and broadcast on local TV in our region (it introduced me to a lot of great shows that ended up being some of my favorites), and "Adult Party Cartoon" was shown on the same schedule with more innocuous shows such as «SpongeBob» or «Rugrats», INCLUDING the lost episodes (still remember the "Naked Beach Frenzy" one, lol). In general, this isn't surprising; animation products were simply purchased without any special checks (don't know how this could happen otherwise). Looks like there was only one opinion: “All cartoons are for children.” After elementary school, you could also watch some ecchi anime with explicit scenes, nudity, or /censored/ (pew-pew scenes). It was on the local broadcast of MTV at noon. Not gonna lie, it was kind of cool, but thinking about it now is just hilarious.
@@pinkpugginz, yeah, crazy times, it’s hard to imagine now, but besides ecchi there were also a lot of MTV shows with rather explicit themes and scenes, and all this in the afternoon on weekdays, perfect time.
"Mmm this meatball soup is delicious Stimpy" "Those aren't meatballs! That's my collection of furballs and stomach acid!" "...You idiot! You're trying to kill me!" *(eyeballs stick out, tangle together and explode)*
You know with the upcoming tiny toons reboot i think you should make a video related to the looney tunes and i think it's time to talk about buddy in anti-character quest because there aren't many videos discussing buddy
That whole "you're the pitcher, I'm the catcher" bit in the first episode was hilarious! Although now that I think about it, I suppose it was the climax of the whole episode...
I thought that the original cartoon that was to be paired up with "Man's Best Friend" was actually "In The Army", since that was the cartoon that was paired up with the pilot cartoon "Big House Blues" when it originally aired on Nickelodeon, and the cartoon that "Ren's Toothache" was paired up with actually ended up being "Rubber Nipple Salesmen".
@@JessePorkman I remember being able to watch reruns of the show on TV before they were released on DVD, and the orders of the episodes were actually the same as how they were shown for the latter.
37:10 That was very much the narrative a decade ago before all the allegations came out and before Cans Without Labels. Backed up by the fact that, A. Executive Meddling has ruined plenty of series, and B. The Ripping Friends(which behind the scenes was John K at his least bad and the executives at their worst in regards to him).
25:25 in the other countries that aired the second half of the series Naked Beach Frenzy had no problem with length since it was 22 minutes, Altruists was spit into two 22 minutes episodes, and Stimpy's Pregnant was split into two episodes. Part 1 was 22 minutes while part 2, which had the unique episode title of "The Blessed Event" was paired with Big House Blues uncut and Man's Best Friend
@@mediamementosofficial i actually owned ren and stimpy complete series on dvd and got on Christmas last year and didn’t like owning the adult party cartoon dvds so I decided to keep the dvds of the original series but put the adult party cartoon DVDs in the paper shredder at school and agreed to never have my eyes seeing this reboot ever again.
I get incredibly sad when I think about the fate of one of my favorite show of my childhood and the truth about John K Also me: 3:09 damn this music is 🔥🔥🔥what even is this
2:16 People _always_ forget to mention he was offerred a supervisor role (so the animation would be on schedule and Bob Camp would overall be the one moderating the content) and staying on the role of Ren, but he took it as an insult and left on his own terms.
Ngl, the oar scene in Man's Best Friend could probably act as a visual for what some people would like to do to John K after hearing about what he's done...Then again I might just be as unhinged.
Ok, so Altruists is the worst, Ren Seeks Help is the least bad. Fire Dogs 2 is second least bad. Naked Beach Frenzy is second worst due to irl stuff and personal taste(otherwise it's middle of the road third least bad), Onward and Upward is also middle of the road, and Stimpy's Pregnant is second or third worst.
"The Drawn Together gang fill in every blank with "penis" and laugh because it makes no sense-" I get it. "Then Captain Hero remembers that his sidekick is dead and starts crying." ...I don't get it. What's the connective tissue between the two, exactly? How does filling out an adlib with "penis" connect to "my sidekick is dead"? Am I missing something with that Drawn Together example?
The context is that Captain Hero’s sidekick died at the hands of a villain The Mad Libber. The note had to do something with her demise but at that moment in time all the characters are goofing off and putting in non serious answers. By the time they’re done everyone’s laughing and having a good time until Hero remembers why they were even doing the mad libs to begin with and starts crying. That’s basically the whole joke.
If I would recommend me one episode you should watch from the show, I would say, fire dogs 2. in my opinion, it’s the least terrible. it still has most of the issues I have with the series. But in my opinion, the jokes are a bit more funnier and Ralph Bakshi does a great performance. (Plus I’m not that big of a fan of Ren seeks help. Not because of the bandwagon because it’s just a bit too disturbing to watch. But I do have to agree it’s better than some of the others. It’s especially better than Stimpy’s pregnant)
UA-cam sucks for doing this to you. Anywho I forever love this video and I'm glad you reworked on it! And still glad the Ren Seeks Help hate train has died out, it's bearable (also Fire Dogs 2 kinda) unlike the rest of the APC episodes.
29:18 This bit feels like it only could've only worked if it was a punchline to two idiot characters doing idiot-things. The sheer shock and absurdity would have been great, if it started with like a different character going, "Okay, maybe spending the day with them won't be so bad-" and then it cuts to that scene, then panning back to the other character being aggravated on what they have to put up with.
In 1917, Pat Sullivan, the creator of Felix the Cat (at the time a huge cartoon star), once lured a 14-year-old girl to his office and, after bragging to a fellow animator what transpired, was immediately arrested and went to jail for one year. That's why I like how you call this person John Should Be Behind Bars K.
@@ricardocantoral7672 Really? Otto was the director and animator of Feine Follies, the first Felix cartoon, but in the book by John Canemaker The Twisted Tale of the World's Most Famous Cat I understood it was Pat Sullivan who came up with the character. It's kind of like saying that Ub Iwerks created Mickey Mouse and Norm Ferguson created Pluto.
You know the Star Wars Prequels are looked upon far more favorably when compared to the Disney Star Wars. So, relatively speaking the Prequel Trilogy is no longer the joke, Disney Wars is.
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“It turns out that Ren didn’t need help. The creator John K needed help.” -PhantomStrider
This quote I feel like summarizes the entirety of adult party cartoon and John Kricfalusi’s downfall.
More like John K needs prison
@@ellielovegood6307
Or help while IN prison.
@@daelen.cclarkyes
I thought he made the Adult Party Cartoons out of spite from getting fired from the first seasons.
If someone had the freedom to do whatever they wants with their own works without studio's interventions and be able to raise the age of an originally kid show, they would be thrilled. He ruined it.
This is one of my fave shows e er. Def one of the ones j i have on in the background when im relaxing or working. However a certain … “seen” was def part of my hearly 20s lezb0 awakenings. Not sorry. 🎉
Stil think the film isn’t too bad! It’s still Drawn Together so it’s still good for me no matter how dumb it is
Never thought I’d ever see drawn together used as a positive example
My thoughts exactly. That show is an another example of 'edgy for the sake of being edgy'. No real substance at all.
@@DeadPixel1105for real. They’re so salty about it too, their whole movie they spent ripping on South Park and how it gets more attention than them. Well no shit! Which is gonna get more attention the show with substance or the poor attempt at one?
Yeah. I mean, if the creators were actually clever enough about it, they could've actually mocked the legit shortcomings of South Park (oh yeah, there are some real stinkers in there), but ultimately, it's just a long-winded "Why don't you like me, too?" rant.
@@retrogamelover2012 Many people didn't consider South Park good in its early seasons before the creators took classes on how to write proper storyboards. Personally I've never liked Mr. Hankey.
@@AkameGaKillfan777 Fair enough.
I feel like the main reason the original Ren and Stimpy worked so well was because there was always someone there, telling John that what he should and shouldn’t do. Like “No John, you can’t make an episode that just gross-out jokes” or “You can’t make an episode about Stimpy getting pregnant.” Without that other force, you basically allowing an animator with no self-control to do whatever they want, leading to a big mess of unfunny gags and sex appeal.
Tbf there was already an episode called “Son of Stimpy” about Stimpy giving birth to a fart and that one was sorta funny, so an episode directly about Stimpy getting pregnant (or protecting an egg or something) could have worked. Instead the intense grossout, painful to watch Stimpy abuse, lackluster pacing and homophobic implications ruined it. Definitely my least favorite episode in the adult show. I’d rather watch Onward and Upward (barely) compared to whatever the hell that was.
Pretty sure that's just a power fantasy for people who can't make cartoons themselves but believe they somehow know better than people who can.
The id cannot function properly without it's ego.
You just described the star wars Prequels and Rick McCallum being a yes man to George
I always tend to remember that when people whine about censorship in media.
I said it once and will say it again: the most disgusting thing that John K. made for this show was a script implying that the abusive parts of Ren should represent the worst parts of him AND the victim he molested...
Indeed, that he treated her leaving as though she's the villain and that she ought to be content with her abuse is that too. I think Stimpy in the script is John wanting robin to be content with his abuse towards her and likeoy bribed her with stuff. While ren is John K as his angriest and most abusive
I now wonder if Stimpy in the script could also represent John K as a sad, powerless man who cries about things not going his way. That he is a control freak, perfectionist pedo who cries when things don't go the way he wants.
Ren is a fun cartoon character dude, and John K doesn't believe in Scripts.
@@thewiseandpowerfulburger9613 Didn't stop him from writing one that alluded to the victim he molested.
Don’t get me wrong, I love Ren and Stimpy but John K. did have Katie Rice animate herself and have Ren and Stimpy do their thing with her.
@@TECH097 yeah, it’s called “The Succubus” and I believe it was revealed in an email to Katie Rice when he wanted to get her to come back into his life. It wasn’t a script but a small episode idea and it’s disturbing.
It bears repeating that Robin Byrd was 13 in 1994. John K was almost 40.
She looks like his teenaged daughter when they were “together”
Ughhhh, John 🤮 /gen (genuine)
Any time I see that pic of them together, I die a little inside.
Lmfao @@chanbear2005
@@pep4338 Freak
@@AkameGaKillfan777 ?
i remember getting the adult party cartoon DVD for my 16th birthday. i watched the pre-episode commentary on naked beach frenzy and saw how uncomfortable katie rice was. just the way her hand movements were and how she seemed to not want to be close to john. alarm bells went off in my head but i just thought i was being paranoid. 4 years later id learn that my intuition was correct when she came out with the allegations.
as someone with bipolar and ADHD it also offends me that john uses it as an excuse to be a p*do
I hate how people use it as an excuse for so much dumb bs, I have it pretty bad, well... ADHD, bipolar is what my family thinks but Idk, but its not an excuse for me to be a dick to people, I still have awareness and morality, my actions are the result of me, not because I am hyper, my ADHD makes me just multitask more than anything, not mf touch kids, most of this stuff comes from mf weirdos and for some reason, white teenage girls, they always talked about self diagnosed BS
You would think some other people would have noticed in the eight years since the DVD was released, and would wonder why she participated so much on his blog and stuff.
I saw that a year or two for myself on DVD, never saw APC before. That interview was so hard to watch… She looked so so uncomfortable… And I didn’t watch much of the cartoon either, was awful and really awkward and hard to take. I’ll stick to the original series from now on…
Cap
@@Alex_Barbosa no cap
23:42 THATS WHAT THAT IMAGE IS FROM!
HOLLY SHIT IVE NEVER NOTICED IT
Quite sad that it tarnished the reputation of Ren & Stimpy despite the early halt. I'm also glad the episode Succubus never made it past the rough pitch.
Yeah me too!
the only good to come from APC is the greatest quote ever
"Are you nuts? I'm a horse!"
also the Ralph Bakshi waking up meme
AND the flute dance
Ren Seeks Help was the only good episode and yeah, I love the absurdity of what Mr. Horse said! 😂
I said it once and will again. I think for Naked Beach Frenzy, John K likely wanted the women to be 14-15 years old, but the cast and crew wanted them to be 20 somethings. I think that the flaws of adult animation remind me of underground comics. The creators work in restrictive mediums and when given freedom decide to put in as much gross out and sex stuff as possible to push boundaries.
Perhaps Baked Beach Frenzy being porn is how this put stuff that is vulgar mindset eventually does. That they feel that they should make porn. After all isn't porn boundary pushing and taboo? And from this the male writers have excuses to project their sex fantasies and use women as sex props for their fantasies.
When John K was on The Howard Stern show he actually "joked" that those 2 characters were underage" so you're 100% correct
The truth is, it's not just John K. There has been evidence that some of the people who work on, say, Rugrats and Spongebob, would want to do just as gross stuff as John K. John K was just less good at hiding that fact.
Basically the "Life Sucks" episode is basically idealism vs. cynicism.
Also, I never knew that "Succubus" episode existed until now, and the story was kinda disturbing.
It’s more like “idealism is pure shit”.
The Succubus episode is so terrifying
@@scarletweb2106I agree. If it did get made (thankfully it didn't), it would be the darkest and most disturbing episode of Adult Party Cartoon.
I think what I especially hate about the Altruists episode is that people seriously believe that the log sawing scene is from The Ren and Stimpy Show and use it to talk about how messed up the show they grew up with was. I remember pointing out on a Facebook group that the scene never aired on Nickelodeon and a bunch of jive ass turkeys ganged up on me to tell me I was wrong even tho they were the ones wrong
It absolutely ruined the original charm and success of the show. He never should have made that second show but his narcissism couldn't stop him.
There's nothing stopping these people from finding out where it actually came from
I really hope it doesn’t get claimed this time. It’s honestly weird that the original version of this video didn’t get a copyright claim, but this one did.
That Succubus outline sounds like a bad creepypasta lmfao that's supposed to be an actual episode he planned?
Honestly ALL of the APC episodes sound like abysmal creepypastas. Not just bad, full on ABYSMAL, with the succubus one being an EXTRA amount of disgusting & vile.
Okay The Succubus episode is terrifying
“We’ll make everyone cry”…
God DAMN, that’s unnerving.
(Nice impressions, though.)
I stumbled across this by complete accident on tv. I was 10. I didn't realize untill years later this was a "adult special" series. It was completely hilarious.
wow, those ren and stimpy impressions were actually pretty decent! too bad they were used for a self insert, where the insert was an abusive guy, but nice job!
I have never knew the fact that UA-cam is absolutely dumb enough to copyright claim... royalty-free music? In a video about Ren And Stimpy's Adult Cartoon Party?! Come on, now... 🤦♀
After learning about the Succubus episode and everything about it, I’m glad this unimaginable nightmare of an episode wasn’t made. I’m curious if John K himself has regrets about that or what was on display in the APC.
He didn’t mention the succubus ep, but on his old blog he admitted to APC having pacing issues and saying some parts should’ve been toned down.
@@michaelyoungboy5792 There is that.
@@tavvyprods1275 It's been confirmed that John K had an extremely abusive father, meaning he really needed therapy to conquer he's demons.
Oh that's not good
Its very confusing how Spike TV tricked many people into thinking that it was the original Ren & Stimpy.and boy, was everyone except john K upset.
Yeah Ren and Stimpy Adult Party Cartoon is horrible!
Fun fact: Eric Bauza was actually the one who came up with the idea for that Saw sex scene
lol
I’d be curious about a take on ’Evil Ren’, probably one of the oppressive cartoons ever made. It’s not funny, has no real plot other than Ren being straight up sadistic to Stimpy, and seems to be the animated equivalent to a snuff film.
John K doesn't work best in 11. He usually waits til they're at least a teenager.
What does that have to do with John K's incompetence on pacing?
I’m probably going to hell for laughing at this joke.
@@robbiewalker2831 It’s a joke about him being a pedophile
@@robbiewalker2831pedophile there i saved you a minute
😑
Top tier youtube content, right here. Top of the line Blameitonjorge / Mr Enter level. Keep it up.
I can't believe this video got copyright claimed because of royalty free music, are they trying to say they own the music!?! That's stupid
Glad to see this video again regardless
I was so stoked to see a childhood favorite of mine in a modern day cartoon for adults. I saw episode zero and was thrilled. Then i watched episode 1, then 2 then no more! It reminded me of the latter seasons of the old show which i basically just sat through
Modern Bugs Bunny as Stimpy in one of the worst reboots ever…. is interesting.
Yeah. Believe it or not, this was Eric Bauza debut (although I think he also did voices for Ripping Friends).
Billy West from the original Ren and Stimpy and Eric Bauza from the adult party Ren and Stimpy have both voiced Daffy Duck and Bugs Bunny at different points in their lives, when they have also voiced Stimpy.
You can tell Eric Buaza has distanced himself as much as he can from Adult Party Cartoon. For example, there is a drawn picture showing all of the cartoon characters that Eric has voiced in his career. All standing together in a crowd. There are dozens of characters. But you know who's missing from that crowd of characters? Stimpy. He wants everyone to forget that he had anything to do with APC. And nobody can blame him a bit. In fact, nearly all sources that list Eric's career accomplishments leave Stimpy off the list. Both Eric and his fanbase are like: "Yeah, we're gonna pretend that didn't happen, okay?" 😂
@@DeadPixel1105can't blame him, Billy west rejected reprising His role in APC because of 2 reasons:
1. He Hated John K. For basically being a jerk to him un múltiple ocasiones.
2. He read the scripts nad thought "this Will ruin muy career permanently"
So yeah, i don't want to imagine the hell that Eric had to go trough in orden to play stimpy in APC.
@@DeadPixel1105 So you're saying Eric Bauza is in the same boat with Billy West over John K's treatment of the two?
Man's best friend was actually aired in the UK a few times. I didn't grow up the show, since I'm a 2000s kid, but yeah around the mid 2010s I remember them putting re-runs of Ren and Stimpy on Nick/Nicktoons during the day. I must have watched most of season 1 and 2 then at the age of 8 or 9, but then maybe they got complaints? I'm not sure why they decided to air it here during that time.
For years I had no idea that there were two different ren and stimpy. I remember rewatching this show and thinking why did I like this so much as a kid. I didn’t remember it being so gross.
Me: YOU'RE FUCKING INSANE! THAT'S WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU!!
John Kricfalusi: Insane!?
Ren: (to John K.) I KNOW IM INSANE, BUT WHAT KIND OF KIND OF A LUNATIC ARE YOU?!
45:41 your impressions are underrated
Yeah he actually did so well with the voices!!
Ren and Stimpy: Adult Party Cartoon represents the very bottom of the trenches, depths that had never been reached by any cartoon ever since...
Until Velma came along and managed to reach deeper depths.
……what about teen titans go?
Velma sucks and I hate nearly every aspect of it, but it’s never outright traumatized anybody. This is worse fs
As bad as Velma is, I feel like this series is worse just because of the behind the scenes stuff about it
Nah. Velma sucks but this shit here ruined my childhood. I had Ren and Stimpy everything. Birthday parties all that. Then one day late at night after work I saw it on TV and wanted to relive my childhood. Boy was I wrong and the show sucked so bad I never wanted to see this shit again or even let my kids know this existed. It’s that bad. Velma just fucking sucks. I rather watch paint dry than watch Velma. I rather rip my eyes out before I ever see another episode of this garbage.
@@brendaspence1824not as offensive or traumatizing as APC, TTG it's literally Spongebob seasons 1-3 compared to that and Velma
6:36 that timing with the audio & the visual will never not be funny
God-damnit, I can’t unsee it now, and it kills me XD
I vaguely remember adult party cartoon and wanted to watch it but couldn't because i was 10 and it was my bedtime lol years later on i think i dodged a bullet!
“Masterb8 in front of your face.” That’s not a joke that’s assault…
"Onward & Upward" could've worked if the restaurant featured was a fancy pants restaurant known for being so cheap, that it refused to buy actual ingredients; instead deciding to "save it up" by using bodily fluids cooked in the form of foods. And R & S in an attempt to appear classy, reluctantly consume said bodily fluids. You can even have the sales guy scam artist (who is the manager of the restaurant) drop this line to explain things:
"Here at "La Grosse" we take an innovative approach to saving money! While poor people are spending their not-so-well-earned money on "actual food", La Grosse saves it BIG by using the amazing wonders of the human body to satiate it's customers!"
As for "Naked Beach Frenzy", cut back the sexual aspect by 50-70%. And have the women want to fuck Stimpy while they ignore Ren. With Stimpy innocently assuming that they are just interested in him non-sexually. A jealous Ren tries to get their attention and shenanigans ensue.
Or for Naked Beach Frenzy's case, bring on Frank Castle aka the Punisher to do a Manhunt-styled Execution at APC!Ren.
I hate to say you can't make something work but if there ever was a plot that you can't make work, its onward and upward.
Hey, at the very least, with that idea for how to improve "Onward and upward", it would've been a little bit creative and possibly could've been a slight jab at how shallow or pretentious, a lot of ideas of how to live the high life could've been.
You know, I actually brainstormed an idea for a gross-out joke that could actually be funny.
I imagined that at some point, Ren & Stimpy would be getting ready to dig into what they think is sausages, only for Ren to stop after noticing a smell.
Then, when he finds out where the smell came from, he snaps and shouts "That's it! I draw the line at this!", before being interrupted by a loud burp and turning to see that Stimpy had already finished his meal, to which he replies with "Uhh, what line, Ren?".
Which leads to Ren in both horror and disgust, rushing to the toilet of their newfound home, where he proceeds to be sick in it.
@@retrogamelover2012Lmfao. That's actually pretty clever. I like how we're coming up with far more creative ideas than the writers did because they presumed spit, snot, puke, piss, and shit are all funny in and of themselves.
thank GOD. when i was younger i thought something was wrong with me thinking ren seeks help wasnt THAT bad and the best of apc
I was not ready for how good your impressions of Ren and Stimpy were going to be
Imagine using Ren and Stimpy as a device to bring someone you mentally scarred back into your life. It’s honestly kinda disturbing when you think about one of the most influential cartoons in history being used like that. It’s already bad enough with John himself, but using the project that made him a big name in animation just makes you look at the series in an uncomfortable perspective, had the episode been fully written and aired.
hoping that the video stays up, quality stuff as always
actually billy just did not want to work with john ever again when this series came out from what i always heard
Ren: What kind of a psychologist are you!?
Mr. Horse: PSYCHOLOGIST!? Are you nuts!? I'm a horse!
Mr. Horse: You crazy son of a bitch! I'm gonna beat the living hell out of you!
😂😂😂😂
Probably the funniest lines in the entire show.
Mr. HORSE: YOU CRAZY SON OF A BENCH! IM GONNA BEAT THE LIVING HELL OUT OF YOU
Bad writing aside. I really disliked the adult Party art and animation style. Also, It's good to see someone saying I strongly agree with since I watched APC in the early 2000s, that the original was good because John K had a great team behind him and once he had full control it really went bad
Only reason why I find the snot scenes kinda funny in APC is because how they're eating it, all fancy with their mouths puckered lol.
I also like the flute scene, it reminded me of 1991 Ren And Stimpy!
The art style of APC is also pretty detailed and nice.
Those are my only positives...
“When put in a cage you find ways to pass the time, when set free you don’t know how to survive and you die.”
This saying I just made up essentially encapsulates any form of creativity.
Especially for John K who didn’t have that cage to lock his imagination in leading to the yes men who wanted more viewers to just let him run free until his ideas died out in the open 7 episodes in for all to see.
I bet a lot of people who saw Adult Party Cartoon never saw Ren and Stimpy the Same way again.
facts. my sister was a big fan of the original, then i showed her ren seeks help, and she can’t even look at the original anymore lol
@@MichaelMixerMasonGASS I recommend Rocko's modern Life or Invader Zim as an alternative.
I have a Japanese friend that I am pen pals with, and showed off a practice sketch I did with these two. The only thing he knew about this show was that one log scene that blew up on Twitter, he was scarred by it, and I had to explain that there were two different versions. That was fun....
In order for Ren & Stimpy to be a great show, it required what the first two seasons had. It wasn’t just John K. It was John K with Bob camp, and Billy West all working together. John screwed it up.
Exactly.
And other Spumco members.
23:43, the meme.
Dont forget those instant milkshake type mixer machines at some gas stations that had a giant lcd screen with John K. Animation on it.
It's actually insane how disconnected certain people in important situations can be. They wanted to make more stuff for the original fans, the best thing is anyone of any age can enjoy the original show because of how creative and unique it was. The moment they tried to make it an Adult show flat out ruins it and I wish more people can understand they can make cartoons that people of different ages can greatly enjoy. Perfect example is Roco's Modern Life. As well as many other's from the 90's-Y2K era. They made animated cartoons so well that I've gone back and watched them now that I'm 30 & it showed me just how well made a lot of them are.
0:14 FAMILY GUY IS GEN Z CHILDHOOD TRAUMA
John Kricfalusi thought the censorship on Nickelodeon held the show back, and that the lack of censorship would make the show funnier.
Also, he was scared of the success of South Park, and wanted Ren & Stimpy to appeal to that same audience.
Unfortunately, John K. doesn't get that gross-out, sex, and raunchy themes does not a mature cartoon make; you have to take into account of characterization and how they would be handled based on that. Not to mention subjects that very few people would tackle, but in a very subtle way, and not be extremely condoning about it, or even give the wrong idea.
Though saying that, South Park was not free from the last two pitfalls, considering how it inadvertently kind of shaped the current bastardised perception of centrism (which can be summed up with "Nothing matters and you're stupid for giving a shit about things").
John K needs therapy
@@robbiewalker2831 He not only doesn't get the Raunchy humor, John K actually wasn't in charge of APC. He was just a supervisor and reprised his voice of Ren, Onward and Upward wasn't even Directed OR produced by him.
@@Tornado1994 Then who made that dumpster fire?
I don't think I've seen any of the episodes from the Spike era. Grew up with the OG Ren and Stimpy.
OK, so it wasn’t enough for John K. to be the kind of… _individual_ that he is; he had to make a caricature/portrayal of one of his *victims* in one of the episodes of this misbegotten follow-up? *_JEEZ (😬)!_*
Here's a fun fact: Early 2000s. Nick cartoons were often purchased and broadcast on local TV in our region (it introduced me to a lot of great shows that ended up being some of my favorites), and "Adult Party Cartoon" was shown on the same schedule with more innocuous shows such as «SpongeBob» or «Rugrats», INCLUDING the lost episodes (still remember the "Naked Beach Frenzy" one, lol).
In general, this isn't surprising; animation products were simply purchased without any special checks (don't know how this could happen otherwise). Looks like there was only one opinion: “All cartoons are for children.” After elementary school, you could also watch some ecchi anime with explicit scenes, nudity, or /censored/ (pew-pew scenes). It was on the local broadcast of MTV at noon. Not gonna lie, it was kind of cool, but thinking about it now is just hilarious.
That's insane!
@@pinkpugginz, yeah, crazy times, it’s hard to imagine now, but besides ecchi there were also a lot of MTV shows with rather explicit themes and scenes, and all this in the afternoon on weekdays, perfect time.
"Mmm this meatball soup is delicious Stimpy" "Those aren't meatballs! That's my collection of furballs and stomach acid!" "...You idiot! You're trying to kill me!" *(eyeballs stick out, tangle together and explode)*
(Head opens up and brain flew out)
i love how you used still frames from the original show on the thumbnail
ugh, John K doesnt understand what he created or just wanted to utterly destroy it
Notice John K didn't Direct "Onward and Upward" or handle the Storyboards.
@@Tornado1994 He did do the Succubus outline
This is a great channel. Very underrated. Thanks for uploading!
You know with the upcoming tiny toons reboot i think you should make a video related to the looney tunes and i think it's time to talk about buddy in anti-character quest because there aren't many videos discussing buddy
Media Mementos displaying his Ren and Stimpy Reboot VA Demo Reel (You know, minus John K. being there...)
That whole "you're the pitcher, I'm the catcher" bit in the first episode was hilarious! Although now that I think about it, I suppose it was the climax of the whole episode...
UA-cam copyright stays acting up
element you forgot: i believe Man's Best Friend aired in a three-pack with Big House Blues and Fire Dogs
I thought that the original cartoon that was to be paired up with "Man's Best Friend" was actually "In The Army", since that was the cartoon that was paired up with the pilot cartoon "Big House Blues" when it originally aired on Nickelodeon, and the cartoon that "Ren's Toothache" was paired up with actually ended up being "Rubber Nipple Salesmen".
That's how the DVD pairs the episodes. In the Army aired with Powdered Toast Man and Rubber Nipple Salesmen was paired with Out West.
@@JessePorkman I remember being able to watch reruns of the show on TV before they were released on DVD, and the orders of the episodes were actually the same as how they were shown for the latter.
37:10 That was very much the narrative a decade ago before all the allegations came out and before Cans Without Labels.
Backed up by the fact that, A. Executive Meddling has ruined plenty of series, and B. The Ripping Friends(which behind the scenes was John K at his least bad and the executives at their worst in regards to him).
The Only 2 things that I aprreciated in these series are the Sound Effects and the Music in the Background
Maybe the sound effects are stolen from the APM library in addition to repeating Roger Roger's theme in all episodes
25:25 in the other countries that aired the second half of the series Naked Beach Frenzy had no problem with length since it was 22 minutes, Altruists was spit into two 22 minutes episodes, and Stimpy's Pregnant was split into two episodes. Part 1 was 22 minutes while part 2, which had the unique episode title of "The Blessed Event" was paired with Big House Blues uncut and Man's Best Friend
altruists was 40 minutes !?!? how come i didnt notice !?
Hmm. I actually prefer the original. It's how I found your channel.
I see where you’re coming from, but it’s a bit too rambling for me. That and the audio quality was awful.
I understand.
Me too.
@@mediamementosofficial i actually owned ren and stimpy complete series on dvd and got on Christmas last year and didn’t like owning the adult party cartoon dvds so I decided to keep the dvds of the original series but put the adult party cartoon DVDs in the paper shredder at school and agreed to never have my eyes seeing this reboot ever again.
I almost vomited, twice at the eating boogers part
Drawn together was the most shock for shock's sake show of all time
I get incredibly sad when I think about the fate of one of my favorite show of my childhood and the truth about John K
Also me: 3:09 damn this music is 🔥🔥🔥what even is this
46:30 "GO FACE GO!!!"
2:16 People _always_ forget to mention he was offerred a supervisor role (so the animation would be on schedule and Bob Camp would overall be the one moderating the content) and staying on the role of Ren, but he took it as an insult and left on his own terms.
The more i learn about john k the more he reminds me of vince russo
Velma: I’m the worst cartoon ever conceived
Ren & Stimpy APC: You EEDIOT!
Ngl, the oar scene in Man's Best Friend could probably act as a visual for what some people would like to do to John K after hearing about what he's done...Then again I might just be as unhinged.
Firedogs is my fave. " but ren I'm a cat".
This version of Ren & Stimpy belongs in the trash.
Yes
John K: “I call this show ‘Boooold and Braaaash’
The rest of society: *”More like-“*
The only good thing that came out of this Adult version of Ren & Stimpy is Ren's mom. She is hot... Im kidding, IM KIDDING! Jeez...
God! UA-cam just keeps getting worse!
That’s why robots shouldn’t be in charge of copyright.
Yep
Just out of curiosity, how exactly were you able to find the excerpt of the Succubus script?
Ok, so Altruists is the worst, Ren Seeks Help is the least bad. Fire Dogs 2 is second least bad. Naked Beach Frenzy is second worst due to irl stuff and personal taste(otherwise it's middle of the road third least bad), Onward and Upward is also middle of the road, and Stimpy's Pregnant is second or third worst.
29:28 I remember watching this as a kid…for some reason…just the scene of rien & stimpy being gay with their lumber cutting.
"The Drawn Together gang fill in every blank with "penis" and laugh because it makes no sense-"
I get it.
"Then Captain Hero remembers that his sidekick is dead and starts crying."
...I don't get it. What's the connective tissue between the two, exactly? How does filling out an adlib with "penis" connect to "my sidekick is dead"? Am I missing something with that Drawn Together example?
The context is that Captain Hero’s sidekick died at the hands of a villain The Mad Libber. The note had to do something with her demise but at that moment in time all the characters are goofing off and putting in non serious answers. By the time they’re done everyone’s laughing and having a good time until Hero remembers why they were even doing the mad libs to begin with and starts crying. That’s basically the whole joke.
@@filler4706 Okay. Still don't find it funny, but I at least get the joke now. Thank you.
@@Trunks1stApprentice aw nah that’s cool, obviously I disagree but that’s just personal taste 👍
you know what. I love the Ripping Friends a lot more than Ren and Stimpy.
If I would recommend me one episode you should watch from the show, I would say, fire dogs 2. in my opinion, it’s the least terrible. it still has most of the issues I have with the series. But in my opinion, the jokes are a bit more funnier and Ralph Bakshi does a great performance. (Plus I’m not that big of a fan of Ren seeks help. Not because of the bandwagon because it’s just a bit too disturbing to watch. But I do have to agree it’s better than some of the others. It’s especially better than Stimpy’s pregnant)
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Maybe John (Should be behind bars) Kricfalusi got a little old for doing the Ren Hoëk Voice
Yes
@@scarletweb2106 John K is never going to jail. Because Robin and Kate never reported a Crime.
UA-cam sucks for doing this to you. Anywho I forever love this video and I'm glad you reworked on it! And still glad the Ren Seeks Help hate train has died out, it's bearable (also Fire Dogs 2 kinda) unlike the rest of the APC episodes.
29:18 This bit feels like it only could've only worked if it was a punchline to two idiot characters doing idiot-things. The sheer shock and absurdity would have been great, if it started with like a different character going, "Okay, maybe spending the day with them won't be so bad-" and then it cuts to that scene, then panning back to the other character being aggravated on what they have to put up with.
real talk, i gotta hear more about that psycho ex-college roomate
Gotta admit the guy captured the 40-50’s better than that time period could . Fucking genius
In 1917, Pat Sullivan, the creator of Felix the Cat (at the time a huge cartoon star), once lured a 14-year-old girl to his office and, after bragging to a fellow animator what transpired, was immediately arrested and went to jail for one year. That's why I like how you call this person John Should Be Behind Bars K.
Wow that was disturbing
Fritz the cat? The entire show was just furry p0rn. Gross.
Otto Mesmer created Felix.
@@ricardocantoral7672 Really? Otto was the director and animator of Feine Follies, the first Felix cartoon, but in the book by John Canemaker The Twisted Tale of the World's Most Famous Cat I understood it was Pat Sullivan who came up with the character. It's kind of like saying that Ub Iwerks created Mickey Mouse and Norm Ferguson created Pluto.
@@emmagrove6491 Only 1 year? People who are caught with drugs get more time than that.
You know the Star Wars Prequels are looked upon far more favorably when compared to the Disney Star Wars.
So, relatively speaking the Prequel Trilogy is no longer the joke, Disney Wars is.
I loved the Sequel Trilogy. I did not enjoy the Prequels.
@@Dragon-w7k9gI enjoyed both.
@@sevenrings9450 Cool.
Wow cool 😎
Sooooooo
Stimpy being pregnant was just that crap from the young ones or when beavis throught he was pregnant?
I didn't like it at first but i rewatched and it is funny in a depraved sort of way
Was this ever the first video of your channel to get copyright claimed or there was other?
Not even one of the first twenty.
@@mediamementosofficial whats the others?
13:32 that means africa banned ren and stimpy adult party cartoon.yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!