Some of yall are bugging lol Listen I love the show, and yeah I understand we’re in another universe where multiple wives is a thing. BUT YALL ARE BUGGING lol Rudy literally promise to Sylphie to be loyal, yall heard me right? LOYAL!! They have a baby on the way.. what are we talking about. For those who are in a relationship now in the comments, I see y’all! 😤 But to everyone defending Rudy, I get it, but lock in bro. He cheated, that’s that Faster we can admit that, the faster we get back to forgiveness
Yep I'm with you on that. The fact is he broke his promise. Don't get me wrong I understand the circumstances, what happen was probably for the better overall ( rudy was literraly dying alone in this room). But for the love of god stop trying to say he didn't cheat when even he (rudeus) admit it. I love mushoku tensei because all the characters are very well written, they all make mistakes from time to time. Rudy broke his promise? Welp he just face the consequences and deal with the problem.
Yeah, the thing Rudy did wrong was he didn't keep his promise. Even though multiple wives is normal in this world, I think it's still safe to say keeping promises is still the basis of having trusts. He said he won't cheat on Sylphie, but he still cheated, even when the circumstances looks like he was taken advantage of by Roxy, they totally cheated knowingly regardless. If Rudy can't keep this single promise, how are you expecting Sylphie to trust him for keeping other promises in the future? Also people really forget a thing, even if polygamy is common in this world, it doesn't mean Sylphie has to accept any woman Rudy brings home, she totally can have the final decision of if she wants to share her man with this blue haired girl who looks younger than Rudy. It's a three-person relationship after all, not two two-people relationship. Rudy needs Sylphie's forgiveness and approval to have this second wife regardless of the culture of that world.
they kinda dropped the ball on this episode. also men in that state and same with women do this a LOT. and i mean A LOT. anyway on this episode they skip the discussion of elinalise and geese. they kinda give roxy that thought process. there is about 20 pages before this happens. lasly rudy is paul's kid. this is a mirror to what happened to his father. remember when zenith was pregnant he also said he'd never cheat on her. but yet he did. just fyi i don't condone rudy in this. i do know when depressed you want anything that can bring you out of it. while you say that wouldn't work for you it can work for a lot of guys that are completely honest with themselves. i'm glad they took this route fyi cause they don't just sweep it under the rug they deal with it head on which is something you do not see often. oh lastly sylphie wanted him to get a concubine so she expected this exact thing to happen. apparently men in that world cant be trusted to keep it in their fucking pants. lmao
@@aionis562 It's not really men cannot be trusted, it's mostly men who has the surname Greyrat. Any male Greyrat you see in this story should have multiple girlfriends or wives.
@@raec5426 I mean sylphie did say she was fine with a concubine regardless of Rudy's promise so sylphie won't really have a problem with it but I do understand where you're coming from on that
@@MrJ4Y That was about having a baby if she couldn't get pregnant, then Rudy declined on that to say she didn't need to worry about it. The narrative relates Rudy to Paul for it, so we don't need to make excuses.
@@raec5426Can't really call what happened cheating, IMO. Rudy was far from being in a proper mental state to give or withhold consent, and therefore, you can't say he willingly cheated on Sylphie. If he were to do it with Roxy _again_ with a clear head, on the other hand...
Probably shouldn't apply too many modern real world cultural values and morals on this. Evidently polygamy isn't anything particularly strange in this world, just like how it hasn't been in many places for large parts of human history as well.
U r right, both are with a ton of guilt, but the problem is that Rudeus was stuck on his room for days/weeks and he was holding back the whole party at that point and no one knew how to make Rudeus go out and just start moving on. Geese brought this idea of "Man are simple creatures, bring some alcohol and some wiman to bed and they get the will to live again". This was mostly the thought behind this. Rudeus was not healed, but at least he left the room to even check on his mother
@@geoffreyjamessee well... I don't have words for that..... I mean many anime-only peeps caught a lot of the plot even like this but yeah, ppl who read the LN are in disbelief on howm uch they left out or how much they changed... because skipping is expected, but u have to give context for their actions... which wasnt given...
what are you talking about, the way you have a relationship does not mean a fantasy fictional show treats relationships the same way, in what fantasy show whether live-action or anime, do love triangles, concubines, multiple wives, incestual relationships, etc. not exist? these themes are just part of the world and culture those shows set. please realize the MC of this show is actually a 40+ year old that use to love child porn, don't expect your personal values to be upheld by a series such as this
lol you do realize that Rudy literally said he wanted to be LOYAL to sylphie no? Like or did you wanna forget that cause now he’s being a play boy? Don’t make commitments you can’t keep, or are we leaving those moral in the other world he came from?
@@ThatsTheBruh ok that's fair I like your vids, appreciate the reply, rudy definitely cheated and went back on his word, but you seemed real surprised in your reaction and even mad like if it were your own life, just saying this is not the kind of show where the mc is super moral and perfect, plus they've dropped a few hints how Sylphie would feel about it, so I don't think Sylphie would need you to feel so upset
Rudy did cheat, but he was taken advantage of, and at least he’s asking Sylphie if it’s ok first and not just just telling her Roxy is his second wife and she has to be fine with it. Definitely some shitty things were done, but that’s how a lot of people’s lives end up so I think it’s realistic.
I don't think its said anytime in the anime but when rudy got married to sylphy she said that she expects rudy to have more wives and she said that when they come she will make sure to be respectful towards them and make them feel welcome as long as rudy doesn't forget her Fun fact sylphy is very self conscious about her sexual attractiveness as she feels she not big enough And the same thing can be said for roxy as she feels like she's to small and childlike to be attractive to anybody But the community would say other wise
I wouldn't say she was "cool" from what we've seen so far, more like she accepted that potential outcome. She was definitely jealous of Rudy's dynamic with Nanahoshi at first. I think she wants to get an idea of the person first, and maybe she'd want to be mentally prepared in advance, knowing another woman is coming rather than it pop up after the fact. Rudy still cheated to get there in this case when he said he wouldn't.
Well, to be fair, Sylphie said that she would be cool with Rudy taking a second wife IF she was infertile, but she got pregnant. Not saying that Sylphie wouldn't ultimately let Rudy do it, but she wouldn't be cool with it.
Welp, Sylphie being cool with Rudy having multiple wives doesn't mean she is cool with anyone being his second wife. At least from Paul's example we can know, whoever is joining the family should still get approved by the existing family members. If any, Sylphie actually has a list of women she doesn't want to share Rudy with (and yes, Nanahoshi is top on the list).
@@hhjan594 nanahoshi isn't. sylphie expected her to be his second wife. i don't remember if it's this volume or previous volume of the light novel you get that info from. the top of the list she doesn't want as his wife is the princess. she flat out tells him hell no. he didn't want it but the princess was making advances in one of the the light novel.
People can be upset I can understand that but my god some of them actually reacting like if their actually spot one of their parents actually cheating 😂 people please relax is a fantasy world, their are fictional characters it is not that big deal, take it easy 😅
I think it's clear to everyone, allowing Rudy to start dual wielding in the story is to open a door for Eris to come back in the future. Like, come on, we know Eirs is coming back some time in the future. And we know Eris still loves him, this was all just a sad misunderstanding. If polygamy is confirmed next episode, Eris joining back some time in the future is bound to happen some time. Nobody loses, everyone gets a fair share of Rudy.
I copied this from someone else but I forgot who Some LN Extra Details (Volume 12 Chapter 10-13(partial) ) - Rudy didn't eat for 2 weeks. - Rudy admitted in his mind that he loved Paul, although more of a partner in crime than a father - Elinalise and Lilia sometimes came into his room and said something to him, but he did not comprehend them and did not replied to them. - Rudy is blaming himself for Paul's death. He thought things would be different if he can use battle aura (touki), or forcefully drag Paul back to the city after the first encounter and planned more carefully. - Roxy heard that men especially mercenaries liked to pay for women's service before and after battle. - Elinalise is trying to persuade Roxy to sleep with Rudy to heal his heart. - Everyone is surprised that Elinalise refused to sleep with Rudy knowing her. - Roxy heard from Elinalise that Rudy is married to her granddaughter and that breaks her heart. - Usually Elinalise is good on healing men's heart. But her desire to not betray Cliff is in the way this time. - Roxy is saying that she share even just a bit of his pain because of how Paul's family is like a second family to her and how one of the members in her old party died shielding her. She treated him like an older brother. (You can see him, Dale alongside Nokopara (the horseman in S1) and Blaze (the pigman that died by the Redhood Cobra in S1E11) in Roxy's old party in early chapters of Roxy manga) - When they woke up Rudy told Roxy about his past self as a weird fiction story and asked on her opinion on what should he do to amend that. - Even though Rudy was irritated on how Geese would talk about cash at the moment, he has a point that money is essential and they would want to sell things that they got as a reward to everyone for their help. - They get an armadillo beast for their return trip as a carriage beast. - When Roxy confessed to Rudy, she only asks that she became his left hand during the return trip - Rudy bought some rice seed on Bazaar during their stay there for around a month to plant it on his house. - They passed through Gryphon's ledge and encountered succubus again. Rudeus accidently slipped his true feeling and at one point, causing him to try after Roxy during that effect. - Rudy brought the armadillo to the teleport circle along since he can fit inside the ruin. - Rudy was quite confused, Elinalise as Sylphie's grandmother, proposed having Roxy as his wife, but she said before she was Sylphie's grandmother, she was Roxy's close friend. - Elinalise further coerced Rudy by saying during their trip at Bazaar, Roxy's monthly visitor had not come, implying that Roxy might be pregnant, but that is not yet certain. - Rudy said to Elinalise that he will marry her if that is the case to be responsible for it. Differences from LN - Rudeus is the one that aggresively jumps on Roxy instead of Roxy pulling him - Skipped city of Bazaar moments during their 1 month stay there
To be honest, if anyone actually thought, Rudy was going to have multiple wives and they’re not gonna be OK with it then they really don’t understand why it’s categorized as a harem
After Eris hurt him unintentionally without her feelings changing after Roxy spewed our her whole fantasy which Rudeus could easily fit in and he married Sylphie first who had thoughts of him wanting multiple women before they even got married im really surprised so many people dont expect it 😂 Perhaps the wholesome Sylphie romance Rudeus promise Eris having hurt him fooled them into not expecting it
I swear for novel readers it was quite obvious that rudy will have more than one wife and also that it would be okay cuz we get a lot of sylphie perspective previous chapters in which she always belived rudy will end up sleeping with someone else even after they got married and she would be okay with it unless he doesn't abandons her for example in vol 8 ( anime is on vol 12) sylphie's wishes before they got married "I wasn’t a member of the Millis faith, but if I were going to get married, I wanted my partner to focus on me and only me. Rudy probably wouldn’t like that, though, so I’d have to be open-minded if we got married. I never wanted him to feel like I was being overbearing. He might even break up with me, though I didn’t really think he would. If he did bring another girl home, the best course of action for me, as his wife, would be to acknowledge her and get along with her. If there were more than three of us, I’d act as a mediator to keep them all from fighting-wait, no, no, no. Wife? Why was I assuming Rudy and I would get married in the first place?" anime just never did a good job at hinting at all, so the viewers can be ready Still fuck Rudy tho like don't make promises you can't keep, Season 3 is still going to be peak so don't drop the show 😬
Welp... Gotta catch em all 🤪 But seriously... Roxy teaching that new [Recovery Magic] learned from: Marvin Gaye:🎵Sexual Healing🎵 & KISS: 🎵Dr.Love🎵 Roxy locked that door with INTENT. 😏 If anything, the discussion should be about Rudy NOT following Sylphie's reccommendation/expectation to acquire a "Concubine", and adding a "Wife" instead. The difference is distinct enough to be a point of potential friction, even among the general populations of the world's NON-Millis adherents. Also a mark for Rudy's development that he has to be pushed in that direction, by multiple people, rather than diving in as his fantasies would have led him to believe. (Literally [for Anime] she has to throw him into bed, climb on top and exert Ara-Ara energy .... very much like Eris did) Remember Rudy already proposed to her and he was only 5, and Roxy did NOT say no,.. she said "Ask me again when you're older." 🫡 Polycules in fiction are easy, but confronting the reality of one requires work.
Light novel readers are fuming that the anime turned Roxy into a rapist (WHICH IS NOT PART OF HER FLAWS) and literally cut the FOCUS of the chapter: Rudeus' grief. They cut a long monologue of Rudeus processing his emotions. Also, the Roxy part was supposed to be framed like a mistake. It wasn't supposed to be rape but both of them trying to save the other in a twisted way. Consent. This accidentmeans that he needs to tell his family that his father is dead, his arm is gone, his mother is mentally gone, and, oh yeah, look, another wife. That's literally the tension after this and idk what they'd do with it now. It is, by far, the worst adaptation of the series. The author also warned us readers in twitter beforehand that he was pressured to agree to do it like this. Studio Bind fucked up
I get it..and It would have been better in some aspects like you just said but Imo I think that it's just the fact that people are just quick to jump the gun like twitter users or redditors and they don't take their time to analyze the situation but no Omg she F*cked him what he cheated? and they enter tunnel vision and don't see anything else I'm anime only and I'm telling you I got her intentions the situation was just f*cked up that had to be the solution to give him some temporary hope.. it was right? No, definitely not.. yeah they definitely could have flashed out more both roxy and rudeus situation but it wasn't as bad as people make it out to be you can get the key parts alright
If we are going to get more technical about Eris, it will be two times that they deceive her, since she continues to believe that Rudeus is waiting for her, but the one she makes is a tremendous comeback, oops spoilers xD
I kinda prefer how the LN went during the Elinalise and Rudy conversation. The anime showed that Elinalise was convincing Rudeus to marry Roxy until he caved in and admitted his feelings. In the LN however, Elinaline threw an unfair bomb saying that in one of her drinking sesh with Roxy, she's been told by Roxy that her monthly visitor hasn't come. Which prompted Elinalise to ask "What would you do if Roxy was indeed pregnant with your child?", Rudeus then replies "I'll do what must be done, I'll marry her." without hesitation. Which imo shows Rudeus owning up his responsibilities a bit better when needed. Either way though, I guess anyone can imagine the bloodbath about to happen next ep. Ya'll thought the Hydra was the last thing to fight this season huh.
lol yeah ok bro. If you can’t upload NORMAL, morals in an anime like idk, when Rudy PROMISED to stay loyal to Sylphie, idk what to tell you Good luck. In your personal dating life
The situation is certainly unusual. But how wonderful that there are people who are able to understand and accept everything that is happening! I liked the reactors, the man and his wife. It is clear that they are happy together. They have carefully delved into the situation, remember the details and look at everything that is happening with wide open eyes. They do not show hatred and do not pretend to be clowns. They do not try to seem ideal and correct, but at the same time they understand Rudy. Unfortunately, not everyone is able to give a second chance to those who have stumbled. Not everyone can be wise and truly mature.
The anime made Roxy look bad. It wasn't her idea to F him it was geese's, she didn't take advantage of him, he was the one who pulled her in, as opposed to her pulling him and getting on top. As for Rudy, he knew he Fed up, and knew for sure he wasn't gonna take Roxy as a lover tho he felt bad for her, but he got manipulated by Elinalize into thinking Roxy is pregnant, he didn't realize he was tricked until later.
@ThatsTheBruh ya so back in the time period alot of wives and sometimes husband's kinda knew multiple wives would be a possibility. What I can say is that she kinda knew this could happen not exactly with roxy but he's a greyrat too. Anyways there are some that also mid marriage just married another with permission from their spouse . The episode also kinda skipped some stuff like roxy and the others talking and them telling her he's married . And I will let you know If the next one skips some stuff too . Oh and the one wife/husband thing only became normal rather recently I'd say the last 300 or so years . By today's standard people will see it as wrong because it's hammered into our heads . But to them that's just the normal
Lock in bro. He cheated. It doesn't matter if Sylphie said it was ok to have another lover already. I KNOW HOW SHE FEELS. Bruh. Y'all bugging. Fantasy doesn't trigger me. No cap.
I totally agree with you Luke. Whatever the circumstance may be it doesn't change the fact that bro cheated. Great reaction. Keep up the good work chief. 🥶
The author was going off on twitter saying that the scriptwriters for the anime changed the story to make it more acceptable for a wider audience basically, because they don’t think the natural audience can’t handle the raw story of mushoku. Like they skipped the whole scene of elinalise, Roxy, geese talking about what they should do to help Rudy because he hasn’t eaten or left his room in days. Roxy’s finds out he’s married there and still decides to offer up her body to help Rudy get out of his slump. Also in the anime it shows Roxy pulls Rudy to the bed and gets on top of him. In the light novel it was Rudy who yanked Roxy and threw her on the bed and went to pound town on her 😭😭
I agree: People wouldn't be able to handle the LN version. Lol. Even if this is makes Roxy look bad, it's easier for the general audience to digest as simply "she wanted him, and took advantage of the moment"
That is NOT what the author was saying 💀he said that HE is the one who is always thinking of ways to make more people accept the story, not the scriptwriters. He is the one who greenlit these changes, he was not mad about them.
@@JayTee2000 also good to know. god i hope they keep turning point 4 as faithfull as possible. That is something that will decide how good is what comes after
he was left alone for like more than 2 weeks and didn't eat or drink so saying I would rather be left alone isn't an option he would have died in that room..that's what the ep should have conveyed in a better way..that's how drastic the situation was..I just assumed by how caved in his face was.. Also she already tried several times having a conversation..put nothing would go through yes she was selfish but it just happened that her desires aligned with this f*cked up situation..at the end of the day she just wanted to cheer up Rudy because she loved him and she sacrifed herself just to give him even a temporary reason to stand up Is it right? No Does she know it isn't? Yes, she even admits to it..and in part she says that "it's not his fault"(by telling him she just assaulted him at his weakest moment) just to comfort him that he is not to blame for the cheating.., just so she can take all the blame and go back to his wife Was that the only option? I mean..idk probably especially because Rudeus was probably at his lowest ever..I mean I don't even think he wanted to face Sylphy or his sisters..bro is traumatized So you telling me that the worst problem is that he cheated? idk about that..honestly this was a situation where I won't put the blame on anyone,,it was just cruel and f*cked up What do you value more the life of a person or him cheating? Both bad but what can you do That's what I would have wanted to see discussed in this ep
bros reaction is totally the opposite of the girls reaction in this ep 🤣🤣😂😂😆😆 damn femenist the best thing that will be in the next ep when I think that selphy will accept
Hint without too much spoiler, all sylphie wants is Rudeus happiness, and honestly her and Roxy aren’t that different they both make him happy just in different ways, don’t count out sylphie too much
Man let me tell you some stuff got changed here and stuff that was actually needed for better context because it made roxy look a lot worse than she did. 1 there was a whole ass conversation that was skipped on how to get rudy feeling better elise and geese was trying to volunteer someone to have sex with rudy to get some of his mental back. They even went around with ideas 1st being elise (denied) even told Roxy he was married with kid next elise said a sex pub (denied) like with his e.d that shit was not gonna help without love and trust. Last was geese asking lilia yeah he dead ass asking the other mom (denied) for obvious reasons. So roxy took it apon herself to try to comfort him. 2. The real aggressor after going to his room and asking him if he would like to try various other things sex with roxy was the last thing and btw roxy wasn't the one who pulled him to bed and got it started it was Rudy who pinned her down and said "i wont be gentle" take that how you will. 3. Elise the puppet master After nearly getting back to home and that same discussion happened elise forced rudy into marriage with roxy by saying she missed her period (low blow imo) so he had no choice. And that is your missing context for this episode
Seems like the anime has made several characters look bad. First, in the last episode, it made Rudy look like he wasn't locked in for the battle, and now it's making Rudy's goddess look bad as well.
@@Animewatcher352 it matters cause you're making up dialogue that was never said 😂 you can't type a long thing explaining what the anime is missing while simultaneously adding dialogue that isn't there.
Yeah I threw a tantrum cause the other man child in chat (you) couldn’t just agree with me and deflected everything I said For one stop putting “…” after each sentence like what your saying is suspenseful, it’s cringe And second, yeah the comments and you = to what I said Mf wanna argue to argue and won’t agree cause HELL idk why, agreeing with another man on the internet is hard I guess Have a good night g Come back with a better attitude in the chat, I’d appreciate it
No let’s talk facts… I said “he lost an arm, his dad, and his mom lost her memories, he cheated” referring to how a lot has happened and everyone is focusing on the most unimportant thing.. unless that’s more important to yall.. and you assumed I was supporting his cheating.. no I was basically Aisha and you were Norn… both thought it was bad… one just focused on the more important things going on… I’m good on your twitch I’ll just watch you on YT… also you got mad cause I said it’s just a character and then said in your intro “it’s just a character”… I never said he was a good character the story is about a predator trying to redeem hisself… I also didn’t spoil or anything anyone else did in this comment section… you can’t just say you were mad at them and assumed I was the same
@@TrojanBOY90 brother in Christ you did the “…” thing again I’m GOOD on reading this WHEN DID I SAY YOU SPOILED ME? I never did I just wanted you to agree with the facts I was saying, but you didn’t? I don’t get it lol I’m done talking about this with you g GOOD LUCK
Some of yall are bugging lol
Listen I love the show, and yeah I understand we’re in another universe where multiple wives is a thing. BUT YALL ARE BUGGING lol
Rudy literally promise to Sylphie to be loyal, yall heard me right? LOYAL!!
They have a baby on the way.. what are we talking about.
For those who are in a relationship now in the comments, I see y’all! 😤
But to everyone defending Rudy, I get it, but lock in bro. He cheated, that’s that
Faster we can admit that, the faster we get back to forgiveness
Yep I'm with you on that. The fact is he broke his promise. Don't get me wrong I understand the circumstances, what happen was probably for the better overall ( rudy was literraly dying alone in this room). But for the love of god stop trying to say he didn't cheat when even he (rudeus) admit it. I love mushoku tensei because all the characters are very well written, they all make mistakes from time to time. Rudy broke his promise? Welp he just face the consequences and deal with the problem.
Yeah, the thing Rudy did wrong was he didn't keep his promise.
Even though multiple wives is normal in this world, I think it's still safe to say keeping promises is still the basis of having trusts.
He said he won't cheat on Sylphie, but he still cheated, even when the circumstances looks like he was taken advantage of by Roxy, they totally cheated knowingly regardless. If Rudy can't keep this single promise, how are you expecting Sylphie to trust him for keeping other promises in the future?
Also people really forget a thing, even if polygamy is common in this world, it doesn't mean Sylphie has to accept any woman Rudy brings home, she totally can have the final decision of if she wants to share her man with this blue haired girl who looks younger than Rudy. It's a three-person relationship after all, not two two-people relationship. Rudy needs Sylphie's forgiveness and approval to have this second wife regardless of the culture of that world.
He did cheat, there's no doubt about that.
they kinda dropped the ball on this episode. also men in that state and same with women do this a LOT. and i mean A LOT. anyway on this episode they skip the discussion of elinalise and geese. they kinda give roxy that thought process. there is about 20 pages before this happens.
lasly rudy is paul's kid. this is a mirror to what happened to his father. remember when zenith was pregnant he also said he'd never cheat on her. but yet he did.
just fyi i don't condone rudy in this. i do know when depressed you want anything that can bring you out of it. while you say that wouldn't work for you it can work for a lot of guys that are completely honest with themselves. i'm glad they took this route fyi cause they don't just sweep it under the rug they deal with it head on which is something you do not see often.
oh lastly sylphie wanted him to get a concubine so she expected this exact thing to happen. apparently men in that world cant be trusted to keep it in their fucking pants. lmao
@@aionis562 It's not really men cannot be trusted, it's mostly men who has the surname Greyrat. Any male Greyrat you see in this story should have multiple girlfriends or wives.
Just to be clear, having multiple wives is not considered cheating in Mushoku Tensei world unless someone is a Millis follower.
It's not the multiple wives that's cheating. It's the sleeping with someone before Slyphie knows (which Rudy said he would be faithful) that is.
@@raec5426 I mean sylphie did say she was fine with a concubine regardless of Rudy's promise so sylphie won't really have a problem with it but I do understand where you're coming from on that
@@MrJ4Y That was about having a baby if she couldn't get pregnant, then Rudy declined on that to say she didn't need to worry about it. The narrative relates Rudy to Paul for it, so we don't need to make excuses.
@@raec5426Can't really call what happened cheating, IMO. Rudy was far from being in a proper mental state to give or withhold consent, and therefore, you can't say he willingly cheated on Sylphie. If he were to do it with Roxy _again_ with a clear head, on the other hand...
@@SigmentKurosai It's cheating and the narrative compares him to Paul to reflect that too. We don't need to dance around it. lol
Probably shouldn't apply too many modern real world cultural values and morals on this. Evidently polygamy isn't anything particularly strange in this world, just like how it hasn't been in many places for large parts of human history as well.
U r right, both are with a ton of guilt, but the problem is that Rudeus was stuck on his room for days/weeks and he was holding back the whole party at that point and no one knew how to make Rudeus go out and just start moving on.
Geese brought this idea of "Man are simple creatures, bring some alcohol and some wiman to bed and they get the will to live again".
This was mostly the thought behind this.
Rudeus was not healed, but at least he left the room to even check on his mother
but anime don't show what Gesses say to explain why Roxy think she have to do this
@@阿瀚-p5k yeah the anime just implies a bit, when they are on the campfire. Most of it is hidden....
@@shin-iti maybe it might be hidden bc the pacing could have been ruined
@@geoffreyjamessee well... I don't have words for that..... I mean many anime-only peeps caught a lot of the plot even like this but yeah, ppl who read the LN are in disbelief on howm uch they left out or how much they changed... because skipping is expected, but u have to give context for their actions... which wasnt given...
I mean...Roxy's making it clear that Rudy is definitely not walking out of this situation single at the very least
Sylphie will shut you up in the next ep
what are you talking about, the way you have a relationship does not mean a fantasy fictional show treats relationships the same way, in what fantasy show whether live-action or anime, do love triangles, concubines, multiple wives, incestual relationships, etc. not exist? these themes are just part of the world and culture those shows set. please realize the MC of this show is actually a 40+ year old that use to love child porn, don't expect your personal values to be upheld by a series such as this
lol you do realize that Rudy literally said he wanted to be LOYAL to sylphie no? Like or did you wanna forget that cause now he’s being a play boy?
Don’t make commitments you can’t keep, or are we leaving those moral in the other world he came from?
@@ThatsTheBruh ok that's fair I like your vids, appreciate the reply, rudy definitely cheated and went back on his word, but you seemed real surprised in your reaction and even mad like if it were your own life, just saying this is not the kind of show where the mc is super moral and perfect, plus they've dropped a few hints how Sylphie would feel about it, so I don't think Sylphie would need you to feel so upset
Rudy did cheat, but he was taken advantage of, and at least he’s asking Sylphie if it’s ok first and not just just telling her Roxy is his second wife and she has to be fine with it. Definitely some shitty things were done, but that’s how a lot of people’s lives end up so I think it’s realistic.
I don't think its said anytime in the anime but when rudy got married to sylphy she said that she expects rudy to have more wives and she said that when they come she will make sure to be respectful towards them and make them feel welcome as long as rudy doesn't forget her
Fun fact sylphy is very self conscious about her sexual attractiveness as she feels she not big enough
And the same thing can be said for roxy as she feels like she's to small and childlike to be attractive to anybody
But the community would say other wise
Sylphie already said she was cool with something like this happening. Why is this dude buggin? 🤣
I wouldn't say she was "cool" from what we've seen so far, more like she accepted that potential outcome. She was definitely jealous of Rudy's dynamic with Nanahoshi at first. I think she wants to get an idea of the person first, and maybe she'd want to be mentally prepared in advance, knowing another woman is coming rather than it pop up after the fact. Rudy still cheated to get there in this case when he said he wouldn't.
Well, to be fair, Sylphie said that she would be cool with Rudy taking a second wife IF she was infertile, but she got pregnant. Not saying that Sylphie wouldn't ultimately let Rudy do it, but she wouldn't be cool with it.
Welp, Sylphie being cool with Rudy having multiple wives doesn't mean she is cool with anyone being his second wife. At least from Paul's example we can know, whoever is joining the family should still get approved by the existing family members.
If any, Sylphie actually has a list of women she doesn't want to share Rudy with (and yes, Nanahoshi is top on the list).
@@hhjan594 nanahoshi isn't. sylphie expected her to be his second wife. i don't remember if it's this volume or previous volume of the light novel you get that info from. the top of the list she doesn't want as his wife is the princess. she flat out tells him hell no. he didn't want it but the princess was making advances in one of the the light novel.
16:23 Yes, immediately single HAHAHA, let us dive in the fantasy, that a great one to me. 😂
People can be upset I can understand that but my god some of them actually reacting like if their actually spot one of their parents actually cheating 😂 people please relax is a fantasy world, their are fictional characters it is not that big deal, take it easy 😅
I know right, I can’t imagine how these people react when they watch something like Game of Thrones.
I like how people bring up Luke and Ariel when they are a thousand times worse than Rudeus when it comes to their partner's 😂😂😂
That's exactly what i thought when they mention it. Is like, bro those two are the worst examples of morally correct behavior you could choose
I think it's clear to everyone, allowing Rudy to start dual wielding in the story is to open a door for Eris to come back in the future.
Like, come on, we know Eirs is coming back some time in the future. And we know Eris still loves him, this was all just a sad misunderstanding.
If polygamy is confirmed next episode, Eris joining back some time in the future is bound to happen some time. Nobody loses, everyone gets a fair share of Rudy.
I copied this from someone else but I forgot who
Some LN Extra Details (Volume 12 Chapter 10-13(partial) )
- Rudy didn't eat for 2 weeks.
- Rudy admitted in his mind that he loved Paul, although more of a partner in crime than a father
- Elinalise and Lilia sometimes came into his room and said something to him, but he did not comprehend them and did not replied to them.
- Rudy is blaming himself for Paul's death. He thought things would be different if he can use battle aura (touki), or forcefully drag Paul back to the city after the first encounter and planned more carefully.
- Roxy heard that men especially mercenaries liked to pay for women's service before and after battle.
- Elinalise is trying to persuade Roxy to sleep with Rudy to heal his heart.
- Everyone is surprised that Elinalise refused to sleep with Rudy knowing her.
- Roxy heard from Elinalise that Rudy is married to her granddaughter and that breaks her heart.
- Usually Elinalise is good on healing men's heart. But her desire to not betray Cliff is in the way this time.
- Roxy is saying that she share even just a bit of his pain because of how Paul's family is like a second family to her and how one of the members in her old party died shielding her. She treated him like an older brother. (You can see him, Dale alongside Nokopara (the horseman in S1) and Blaze (the pigman that died by the Redhood Cobra in S1E11) in Roxy's old party in early chapters of Roxy manga)
- When they woke up Rudy told Roxy about his past self as a weird fiction story and asked on her opinion on what should he do to amend that.
- Even though Rudy was irritated on how Geese would talk about cash at the moment, he has a point that money is essential and they would want to sell things that they got as a reward to everyone for their help.
- They get an armadillo beast for their return trip as a carriage beast.
- When Roxy confessed to Rudy, she only asks that she became his left hand during the return trip
- Rudy bought some rice seed on Bazaar during their stay there for around a month to plant it on his house.
- They passed through Gryphon's ledge and encountered succubus again. Rudeus accidently slipped his true feeling and at one point, causing him to try after Roxy during that effect.
- Rudy brought the armadillo to the teleport circle along since he can fit inside the ruin.
- Rudy was quite confused, Elinalise as Sylphie's grandmother, proposed having Roxy as his wife, but she said before she was Sylphie's grandmother, she was Roxy's close friend.
- Elinalise further coerced Rudy by saying during their trip at Bazaar, Roxy's monthly visitor had not come, implying that Roxy might be pregnant, but that is not yet certain.
- Rudy said to Elinalise that he will marry her if that is the case to be responsible for it.
Differences from LN
- Rudeus is the one that aggresively jumps on Roxy instead of Roxy pulling him
- Skipped city of Bazaar moments during their 1 month stay there
I think some people dont remenber the chat that silphy and rudy had about having a concubine. I think that shows a little of silphy's opinion.
To be honest, if anyone actually thought, Rudy was going to have multiple wives and they’re not gonna be OK with it then they really don’t understand why it’s categorized as a harem
After Eris hurt him unintentionally without her feelings changing after Roxy spewed our her whole fantasy which Rudeus could easily fit in and he married Sylphie first who had thoughts of him wanting multiple women before they even got married im really surprised so many people dont expect it 😂
Perhaps the wholesome Sylphie romance Rudeus promise Eris having hurt him fooled them into not expecting it
@@deathitself6985 where is this a spoiler?
I’m anime only
@@aresrivera9744 Im anime only too im just saying im completely expecting Eris to end up with him aswell
All I learned this ep is that I ain't trying hard enough to have multiple wives (satire)
I swear for novel readers it was quite obvious that rudy will have more than one wife and also that it would be okay cuz we get a lot of sylphie perspective previous chapters in which she always belived rudy will end up sleeping with someone else even after they got married and she would be okay with it unless he doesn't abandons her
for example in vol 8 ( anime is on vol 12)
sylphie's wishes before they got married
"I wasn’t a member of the Millis faith, but if I were going to get
married, I wanted my partner to focus on me and only me. Rudy probably
wouldn’t like that, though, so I’d have to be open-minded if we got married.
I never wanted him to feel like I was being overbearing. He might even
break up with me, though I didn’t really think he would. If he did bring
another girl home, the best course of action for me, as his wife, would be to
acknowledge her and get along with her. If there were more than three of
us, I’d act as a mediator to keep them all from fighting-wait, no, no, no.
Wife? Why was I assuming Rudy and I would get married in the first place?"
anime just never did a good job at hinting at all, so the viewers can be ready
Still fuck Rudy tho like don't make promises you can't keep, Season 3 is still going to be peak so don't drop the show 😬
Welp... Gotta catch em all 🤪
But seriously...
Roxy teaching that new [Recovery Magic] learned from:
Marvin Gaye:🎵Sexual Healing🎵
&
KISS: 🎵Dr.Love🎵
Roxy locked that door with INTENT. 😏
If anything, the discussion should be about Rudy NOT following Sylphie's reccommendation/expectation to acquire a "Concubine", and adding a "Wife" instead. The difference is distinct enough to be a point of potential friction, even among the general populations of the world's NON-Millis adherents.
Also a mark for Rudy's development that he has to be pushed in that direction, by multiple people, rather than diving in as his fantasies would have led him to believe. (Literally [for Anime] she has to throw him into bed, climb on top and exert Ara-Ara energy .... very much like Eris did)
Remember Rudy already proposed to her and he was only 5, and Roxy did NOT say no,.. she said "Ask me again when you're older." 🫡
Polycules in fiction are easy, but confronting the reality of one requires work.
Light novel readers are fuming that the anime turned Roxy into a rapist (WHICH IS NOT PART OF HER FLAWS) and literally cut the FOCUS of the chapter: Rudeus' grief. They cut a long monologue of Rudeus processing his emotions.
Also, the Roxy part was supposed to be framed like a mistake. It wasn't supposed to be rape but both of them trying to save the other in a twisted way. Consent. This accidentmeans that he needs to tell his family that his father is dead, his arm is gone, his mother is mentally gone, and, oh yeah, look, another wife. That's literally the tension after this and idk what they'd do with it now.
It is, by far, the worst adaptation of the series. The author also warned us readers in twitter beforehand that he was pressured to agree to do it like this. Studio Bind fucked up
I get it..and It would have been better in some aspects like you just said but
Imo I think that it's just the fact that people are just quick to jump the gun like twitter users or redditors and they don't take their time to analyze the situation
but no Omg she F*cked him what he cheated? and they enter tunnel vision and don't see anything else
I'm anime only and I'm telling you I got her intentions the situation was just f*cked up that had to be the solution to give him some temporary hope..
it was right? No, definitely not..
yeah they definitely could have flashed out more both roxy and rudeus situation but it wasn't as bad as people make it out to be
you can get the key parts alright
Future conversation between Rudy and Roxy: "Master..." "Yes, daddy?"
"when you dont Understand a single thing about the show"
YEAH I DONT UNDERSTAND ANYTHING DURRRR
Keep crying
@@ThatsTheBruh did i triggered you?🥹
@@FlameyMaxu with a name like that? No
5:25 That kiss was very well animated. It was actually quite beautiful. Except for the circumstances.
If we are going to get more technical about Eris, it will be two times that they deceive her, since she continues to believe that Rudeus is waiting for her, but the one she makes is a tremendous comeback, oops spoilers xD
I kinda prefer how the LN went during the Elinalise and Rudy conversation. The anime showed that Elinalise was convincing Rudeus to marry Roxy until he caved in and admitted his feelings. In the LN however, Elinaline threw an unfair bomb saying that in one of her drinking sesh with Roxy, she's been told by Roxy that her monthly visitor hasn't come. Which prompted Elinalise to ask "What would you do if Roxy was indeed pregnant with your child?", Rudeus then replies "I'll do what must be done, I'll marry her." without hesitation. Which imo shows Rudeus owning up his responsibilities a bit better when needed. Either way though, I guess anyone can imagine the bloodbath about to happen next ep. Ya'll thought the Hydra was the last thing to fight this season huh.
Don't apply your real life morals and laws with anime. If you want go watch vanilla generic isekai then.
lol yeah ok bro. If you can’t upload NORMAL, morals in an anime like idk, when Rudy PROMISED to stay loyal to Sylphie, idk what to tell you
Good luck. In your personal dating life
The situation is certainly unusual. But how wonderful that there are people who are able to understand and accept everything that is happening!
I liked the reactors, the man and his wife. It is clear that they are happy together. They have carefully delved into the situation, remember the details and look at everything that is happening with wide open eyes. They do not show hatred and do not pretend to be clowns. They do not try to seem ideal and correct, but at the same time they understand Rudy.
Unfortunately, not everyone is able to give a second chance to those who have stumbled. Not everyone can be wise and truly mature.
The anime made Roxy look bad.
It wasn't her idea to F him it was geese's, she didn't take advantage of him, he was the one who pulled her in, as opposed to her pulling him and getting on top.
As for Rudy, he knew he Fed up, and knew for sure he wasn't gonna take Roxy as a lover tho he felt bad for her, but he got manipulated by Elinalize into thinking Roxy is pregnant, he didn't realize he was tricked until later.
Medieval times multiple wives were common.
🤯🤯🤯 woah really? Was that before or after he PROMISED Sylphie he was going to stay loyal to her? Enlighten me ?
@ThatsTheBruh ya so back in the time period alot of wives and sometimes husband's kinda knew multiple wives would be a possibility. What I can say is that she kinda knew this could happen not exactly with roxy but he's a greyrat too. Anyways there are some that also mid marriage just married another with permission from their spouse . The episode also kinda skipped some stuff like roxy and the others talking and them telling her he's married . And I will let you know If the next one skips some stuff too . Oh and the one wife/husband thing only became normal rather recently I'd say the last 300 or so years . By today's standard people will see it as wrong because it's hammered into our heads . But to them that's just the normal
Lock in bro. He cheated. It doesn't matter if Sylphie said it was ok to have another lover already. I KNOW HOW SHE FEELS. Bruh. Y'all bugging. Fantasy doesn't trigger me. No cap.
He WAS locked in... she locked the door. 😎👍
I totally agree with you Luke. Whatever the circumstance may be it doesn't change the fact that bro cheated. Great reaction. Keep up the good work chief. 🥶
The author was going off on twitter saying that the scriptwriters for the anime changed the story to make it more acceptable for a wider audience basically, because they don’t think the natural audience can’t handle the raw story of mushoku. Like they skipped the whole scene of elinalise, Roxy, geese talking about what they should do to help Rudy because he hasn’t eaten or left his room in days. Roxy’s finds out he’s married there and still decides to offer up her body to help Rudy get out of his slump. Also in the anime it shows Roxy pulls Rudy to the bed and gets on top of him. In the light novel it was Rudy who yanked Roxy and threw her on the bed and went to pound town on her 😭😭
Rudy went to pound town on her. ☠️🤣
i didnt know that, interesting. Thanks for the info
I agree: People wouldn't be able to handle the LN version. Lol. Even if this is makes Roxy look bad, it's easier for the general audience to digest as simply "she wanted him, and took advantage of the moment"
That is NOT what the author was saying 💀he said that HE is the one who is always thinking of ways to make more people accept the story, not the scriptwriters. He is the one who greenlit these changes, he was not mad about them.
@@JayTee2000 also good to know. god i hope they keep turning point 4 as faithfull as possible. That is something that will decide how good is what comes after
he was left alone for like more than 2 weeks and didn't eat or drink
so saying I would rather be left alone isn't an option
he would have died in that room..that's what the ep should have conveyed in a better way..that's how drastic the situation was..I just assumed by how caved in his face was..
Also she already tried several times having a conversation..put nothing would go through
yes she was selfish but it just happened that her desires aligned with this f*cked up situation..at the end of the day she just wanted to cheer up Rudy because she loved him
and she sacrifed herself just to give him even a temporary reason to stand up
Is it right? No
Does she know it isn't? Yes, she even admits to it..and in part she says that "it's not his fault"(by telling him she just assaulted him at his weakest moment) just to comfort him that he is not to blame for the cheating.., just so she can take all the blame and go back to his wife
Was that the only option? I mean..idk probably especially because Rudeus was probably at his lowest ever..I mean I don't even think he wanted to face Sylphy or his sisters..bro is traumatized
So you telling me that the worst problem is that he cheated? idk about that..honestly this was a situation where I won't put the blame on anyone,,it was just cruel and f*cked up
What do you value more the life of a person or him cheating? Both bad but what can you do
That's what I would have wanted to see discussed in this ep
Best Isekai ever.
bros reaction is totally the opposite of the girls reaction in this ep 🤣🤣😂😂😆😆
damn femenist
the best thing that will be in the next ep when I think that selphy will accept
I dont think sylphie will be surprise or disappointed. What im worry about is norn.
Hint without too much spoiler, all sylphie wants is Rudeus happiness, and honestly her and Roxy aren’t that different they both make him happy just in different ways, don’t count out sylphie too much
Okay chill out bruh he going to marry Roxy eris so chill in the light novel there all happy
OMG A PERSON HAVING THEIR OPINION 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
Always funny watching someone project modern cultural standards for relationships into an anime world.
Man let me tell you some stuff got changed here and stuff that was actually needed for better context because it made roxy look a lot worse than she did.
1 there was a whole ass conversation that was skipped on how to get rudy feeling better elise and geese was trying to volunteer someone to have sex with rudy to get some of his mental back. They even went around with ideas 1st being elise (denied) even told Roxy he was married with kid next elise said a sex pub (denied) like with his e.d that shit was not gonna help without love and trust. Last was geese asking lilia yeah he dead ass asking the other mom (denied) for obvious reasons. So roxy took it apon herself to try to comfort him.
2. The real aggressor after going to his room and asking him if he would like to try various other things sex with roxy was the last thing and btw roxy wasn't the one who pulled him to bed and got it started it was Rudy who pinned her down and said "i wont be gentle" take that how you will.
3. Elise the puppet master
After nearly getting back to home and that same discussion happened elise forced rudy into marriage with roxy by saying she missed her period (low blow imo) so he had no choice. And that is your missing context for this episode
Seems like the anime has made several characters look bad. First, in the last episode, it made Rudy look like he wasn't locked in for the battle, and now it's making Rudy's goddess look bad as well.
Rudy def never said "i won't be gentle" 🤣he didn't say anything. It just says that he was rough due to his prior frustrations.
@@JayTee2000 you expecting dialogue during sex? What would it matter if the context is still the same
@@Animewatcher352 it matters cause you're making up dialogue that was never said 😂 you can't type a long thing explaining what the anime is missing while simultaneously adding dialogue that isn't there.
W Rudy W Roxy
Well, the adaptation is made for those anime-only. Not everyone can be and have the rational and emotional maturity of LN enjoyers.
I'm scared of anime adaptation.
So this comment section is why you just threw* a temper tantrum on me on stream… nice.. I was wondering why you were so passionate
Yeah I threw a tantrum cause the other man child in chat (you) couldn’t just agree with me and deflected everything I said
For one stop putting “…” after each sentence like what your saying is suspenseful, it’s cringe
And second, yeah the comments and you = to what I said
Mf wanna argue to argue and won’t agree cause HELL idk why, agreeing with another man on the internet is hard I guess
Have a good night g
Come back with a better attitude in the chat, I’d appreciate it
No let’s talk facts… I said “he lost an arm, his dad, and his mom lost her memories, he cheated” referring to how a lot has happened and everyone is focusing on the most unimportant thing.. unless that’s more important to yall.. and you assumed I was supporting his cheating.. no I was basically Aisha and you were Norn… both thought it was bad… one just focused on the more important things going on… I’m good on your twitch I’ll just watch you on YT… also you got mad cause I said it’s just a character and then said in your intro “it’s just a character”… I never said he was a good character the story is about a predator trying to redeem hisself… I also didn’t spoil or anything anyone else did in this comment section… you can’t just say you were mad at them and assumed I was the same
“A problem agreeing with you”… omg you’re right I couldn’t understand it with my little brain cheating is bad… thanks for teaching me something
@@TrojanBOY90 brother in Christ you did the “…” thing again I’m GOOD on reading this
WHEN DID I SAY YOU SPOILED ME? I never did
I just wanted you to agree with the facts I was saying, but you didn’t? I don’t get it lol
I’m done talking about this with you g
GOOD LUCK
And you’re still throwing a tantrum “…” is just used to break up the sentences … now it’s a grammar war … aye man you got it
roxy better unsubscribing naa
Stfu josh imma touch you