Why do DF called this debate, when two of them agree on the subject matter. If you want to debate, let someone with divergent opinion debate this topic with you.
Thank you Lord, that there are still devoted men of God exposing us to the truth. Two well read and very resourceful men of God. I have been blessed by this great conversation 🙏🏽
Stop bothering yourself about doctrines or scriptural which the bible discourages as stupid; Accept Jesus as your Lord and personal saviour, Love God as well as your neighbor, try to live outside sin, and have a personal relationship with God.
Nice session. I don't understand what people were expecting, criticising this as "not being a debate". A debate doesn't necessarily represent an "argument", it can be a discussion to air views and enlighten the public. Two analysts can share similar views, while pondering a topic of discussion. It doesn't have to provoke heats and chaos. I guess people were expecting to see slaps flying from end to end, to accept the session as a debate. Well done Freeze and Reno.
Honestly what matters is knowing that Jesus Christ came to this world and died for our sins and whosoever believes in this and accept him as his/her Lord and savior will have eternal life,that is the crux of the matter.
@ Adedayo Emmanuel... Point out where Jesus says accept me as your " Lord & personal saviour & you will make heaven in d Bible" ? These people were more knowledgeable & understood d real words of Bible than you, they don't complicate issues like other so called modern pastors.... If you have ever watched d programs of d Islamic clerics , I mean d Comparative Sermons with many Pastors... These are d topics that usually made them fell like packs of cards..... Jesus said, "To y'all Israelites, listen our Lord, God is One"..... My brother if you wanna make heaven read Bible by yourself from Genesis to revelation, & you will understand better, don't follow these modern days pastor's complicated teachings that mainly centered around riches, & not salvation.... Note,.... If you read Bible very well, you will discovered that Jesus has no house that he lives, tell me where you see Jesus changing his cloth.... A rich man came to him & asked how do I make heaven ? Y'all knows his answer, ... Give out all your riches to the poor & follow me in my crusade, d rich man never did it..... Now see Oyedepo sacking over 40 pastors cos they don't meet up their targets..... Like Nigerian Bankers..... Jim Reeves in his old records, he sang " This World is not our own , we're just passing by there, heaven is our home.... So, close your eyes to the worldly things & strive hard to make heaven my brother...... Our time on earth is limited, eternity should be our priority....
Jesus died for the sins of the world?.....that is so Pagan....so Roman....so syncretic....so stupid.... God doesnt need to kill somebody to save everybody ! Jesus is nobody's saviour..... nobody's sacrifice ! Jesus is a product of years of racial power play and excellent marketing !
The name matters a lot bcos the scriptures says that there's no other name that mankind can be saved other than the name of Yeshua. If the Catholic Church hv lied abt the name, the question we should be asking now is what other things hv they lied abt?
That's not what matters. If you believe in a Jesus other than the one revealed in the Bible, who claimed nothing short of being deity, then you can't be saved
We can never interpret spiritual things with mental or physical sense. The interpretation of trinity is like water that can be in ordinary liquid form that we as human can drink, or in solid form like ice, or in gaseous state like vapor that can escape into the atmosphere. All is still same water chemically. Look at it this way, a sachet or bag of water could be harmless if smashed at someone's head, but the reverse is the case if the same sachet of water ( "pure water") is frozen and then someone get smashed by it. Summary: God only relates with us in the form that we can comprehend and relate with, seen or unseen. Trinity is one and only God.
This is not a debate at all. Just two people agreeing with each other. There are many scriptures that show that Jesus is God in the flesh. Isaiah 9 says that unto us is a son given and the government shall be upon His shoulders and His name shall be called the mighty God, the everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace. He is the wonderful counsellor. How can a child be called the everlasting Father and the mighty God if He is not God?
I respect the submission from this debate. I will never forget the encounter I had in 2017. I was debating in my heart this same topic on my way from work one day. Surprisingly, the next morning, I heard a convincing small voice beyond reasonable doubt which I knew was the voice of Christ Himself say to me He is God. Since that day, it is no longer a debate for me.
Like seriously are you all morons, this isn't a debate, but a discussion by two like minded ignorant fellow. If reno wants a debate let him debate a proper theologian
This is what I say too, scripture aside if you pray about christ that you want to know who he was, he will surely come to you and make himself known to you.
Flo Ade, you’ve heard a different voice. Jesus is not God and he never equates himself with God. Jehovah is the Almighty God, the creator of Jesus and his mother Mary. Jesus is just a servant of God that’s why he said “ I was sent not to the gentiles but to the lost sheep of the house of David.
Ability to recite the Koran does not equal understanding, similarly ability to quote every verse in the bible from Genesis to Revelation also does not guarantee UNDERSTANDING ..... @Reno pls rationalize how GOD beget Christ or How GOD became GOD...... If you can't rationalize the above then there is a serious problem oh
God said to Moses, "tell Pharaoh, I am That I am sent you" . The only translation to this is, when you choose to call him Jehovah he answers, Osalobia in Benin, he answers, Ala in hausa he Answers, Oghene in Urobo he answers, Yahweh in Hebrew he answers. Likewise Jesus, when you choose to call him Yeshua he answers, Jesu he answers, Jesus he answers. Our host said he don't use the name Jesus but little did he know that he just did right in this transmission, when he said Amen Oruko Jesu; at simply means in Jesus name. All languages and tribes are God's orchestrated and so, Aramaic was the language spoken when Jesus was born that's why the angel called him Yeshua, if English was the then spoken Language he would have been named Jesus directly. Let me also make this clear that Jesus is a translation of Yeshua without missing words it is from the Latin IESVS which means Yeshua. You see the Latins call him IESVS, the English call him Jesus, the rest of the world call Jesu. The Greek call him Yeshua, likewise in Aramaic. At the end of the day it's just the same thing.
I respect your opinions, you both are deep and I am always eager to listen to you,but I beg to differ on this. I would love to have a peaceful debate on this to point out some serious flaws with regards to your views in this regard. With all due respect, I am ready for a debate on this with any of you
I respect you speed of thought. However, should you desire a debate to uphold any contrary opinion, one would expect you will furnish us with sufficient biblical support and not theological teaching in order to buttress your point in an objective manner.
Did Jesus in his own words said he is God OR you and your pastors misinterpreted the scriptures to call Jesus God ?? I will be interested in what Jesus said , not what you and your pastors in flesh and blood says.
I also want to know....less you forget before you establish a doctrine from the scriptures, the prophets have to say it, Jesus has to declare it, and the apostles has to preach it.
Why do we have to learn Greek to know God. Doesn't God understand our language such that he will give us his revelation just like he revealed himself to Muhammad? Or did European civilization make us through our scriptures away too? God help us...
@@aikonni To motives, Either he was deceived or he hated Christianity. Because the book already warned of not accepting any other gospel even from an angel, that's scripture so muhammad contradicting Jesus and the disciples and the bible is pretty hard to ignore.
Zechariah 2:10-11 [10]The lord says, “Shout and rejoice, O beautiful Jerusalem, for I am coming to live among you. [11]Many nations will join themselves to the lord on that day, and they, too, will be my people. I will live among you, and you will know that the lord of Heaven’s Armies sent me to you.
I have told my Christians fellow several times, learn the scriptures from the original language, but I don't blame them, their so called pastors will never tell them the truth.
And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. And He laid His right hand upon me, saying to me, Fear not; I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST: I AM HE THAT LIVES, AND WAS DEAD; AND BEHOLD, I AM ALIVE FOR EVERMORE, AMEN; AND HAVE THE KEYS OF HELL AND DEATH REV 1:17-18. Christ isn't just the Son of God but God incarnate. He is the God-Man that's why He was able to mediate between God and man
Who is “the first and the last”? The Bible applies this term both to Jehovah God and to his Son, Jesus, but with different meanings. Consider two examples. At Isaiah 44:6, Jehovah says: “I am the first and I am the last. There is no God but me.” Here Jehovah highlights that he is the everlasting true God; besides him, there is no other. (Deuteronomy 4:35, 39) In this case, then, the expression “the first and the last” has the same meaning as “the Alpha and the Omega.” Additionally, the term “the First [pro’tos, not alpha] and the Last [e’skha·tos, not omega]” occurs at Revelation 1:17, 18 and 2:8. In these verses, the context shows that the one referred to died and later returned to life. Thus, these verses cannot refer to God because he has never died. (Habakkuk 1:12) However, Jesus died and was resurrected. (Acts 3:13-15) He was the first human to be resurrected to immortal spirit life in heaven, where he now lives “forever and ever.” (Revelation 1:18; Colossians 1:18) Jesus is the one who performs all resurrections thereafter. (John 6:40, 44) Therefore, he was the last one to be resurrected directly by Jehovah. (Acts 10:40) In this sense, Jesus can properly be called “the First and the Last.”
I and my father are one, if Jesus’s is not God he can’t tell Peter that what ever you ban on earth will be ban in Heaven. Listen to the authority of the man Jesus Christ he doesn’t speak like other prophets. He has its place at the right hand side of God. Understand that heaven has authority.
A MUST READ TO AVOID BEING DECEIVED AND TO BE LED AWAY FROM THE REAL TEACHINGS OF CHRIST THAT MATTER - Kindly open the link below on a browser and read to avoid being led away by the error of the WICKED. www.thecrosspensacola.org/new-blog/2020/4/20/should-christians-say-yeshua-instead-of-jesus I quote - "At minimum, these types of issues expose poor hermeneutics, misguided zeal and interests, and an inability to look to the Scriptures as our final authority. But more severely, I fear that these ideas I have sought to dismiss in this article are not for the sake of the gospel, but are rather “foolish controversies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law,” and “are unprofitable and worthless” (Titus 3:9)." - Kent Langham A man who could dismiss other claims about Christ but fails to explain the Isaiah 9:6 but rather started stammering and giving some unfound reasons not to explain that. May God open your minds so you could understand the Scriptures.
This is so surprising that you don't know who Jesus really is. Isaiah 9:6 clearly reveals the Deity of Jesus Christ. Unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given, and the government shall be upon his shoulder and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father and the Prince of Peace. Jesus is God! No doubt about it.
lovecharles76. Isaiah 9:6 is prophetic, "he will be called" and all said fulfilled. There is nowhere in the Bible that Jesus referred to Himself as Father or God.
Thank you. Jesus responded to Philip, though you have been with me for long now, you have not known me since you have not the Father. John 14. Jesus is the language to explain God.. Why people dont know God is because they dont know Jesus Jesus. When one says Christ Jesus is not God it is just a manifestation of that person lack of any true relationship with God.
Jesus is God! No doubt about it. The Prophets spoke about his Deity. Jesus spoke about his Deity. Jesus is the Word of God and God and his Word cannot be separated. Daddy Freeze is a character. He cannot be trusted. Last time I heard him said Jesus is Satan but now he is agreeing with his guest that Jesus is Yeshua and Co.
It's a very good analysis . But I was thinking it was someone who do not believe Christ is not God . Next time pls invite those pastors who deny and instead think of the trinity God bless
A MUST READ TO AVOID BEING DECEIVED AND TO BE LED AWAY FROM THE REAL TEACHINGS OF CHRIST THAT MATTER - Kindly open the link below on a browser and read to avoid being led away by the error of the WICKED. www.thecrosspensacola.org/new-blog/2020/4/20/should-christians-say-yeshua-instead-of-jesus I quote - "At minimum, these types of issues expose poor hermeneutics, misguided zeal and interests, and an inability to look to the Scriptures as our final authority. But more severely, I fear that these ideas I have sought to dismiss in this article are not for the sake of the gospel, but are rather “foolish controversies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law,” and “are unprofitable and worthless” (Titus 3:9)." - Kent Langham A man who could dismiss other claims about Christ but fails to explain the Isaiah 9:6 but rather started stammering and giving some unfound reasons not to explain that. May God open your minds so you could understand the Scriptures.
I am watching from Germany , my dear Daddy Freeze , JESUS CHRIST is hundred Percent God and also hundred percent Man , Please , Kindly read the book of St. John , chapter 1 from 1 to 14 and Genesis Chapter 1 from 1 to 15 There ,you will see that Jesus Christ is the word of God Almighty Made Fresh ,that is the reason why , JESUS CHRIST IS GOD ALMIGHTY HIMSELF , I have Just told you The hundred Percent truth and you got to believe it , !!!!!!!!!!
We appreciate your continued proclamation of God's word. The following is a literal translation from the Hebrew Bible - Hebrew Names Version (HNV). For the sake of clarity, I have divided them into three categories. I am confident that the verses are self-explanatory and that anyone who reads them will be able to draw conclusions. 1 John 5:6 - This is he who came by water and blood, Yeshua the Messiah; not with the water only, but with the water and the blood. It is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is the truth. 1 John 5:7 - For there are three who testify: 1 John 5:8 - the Spirit, and the water, and the blood; and the three agree as one.
A MUST READ TO AVOID BEING DECEIVED AND TO BE LED AWAY FROM THE REAL TEACHINGS OF CHRIST THAT MATTER - Kindly open the link below on a browser and read to avoid being led away by the error of the WICKED. www.thecrosspensacola.org/new-blog/2020/4/20/should-christians-say-yeshua-instead-of-jesus I quote - "At minimum, these types of issues expose poor hermeneutics, misguided zeal and interests, and an inability to look to the Scriptures as our final authority. But more severely, I fear that these ideas I have sought to dismiss in this article are not for the sake of the gospel, but are rather “foolish controversies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law,” and “are unprofitable and worthless” (Titus 3:9)." - Kent Langham A man who could dismiss other claims about Christ but fails to explain the Isaiah 9:6 but rather started stammering and giving some unfound reasons not to explain that. May God open your minds so you could understand the Scriptures.
Good discussions would like you to have this debate with someone called Bob the builder from speakers Corner in England he will clarify you on the trinity.
I love the fact that you take time to do research and study Jehovah's word yourselves and not like many christians who just believe what every so called pastors tell them. This goes to say many christians are blind and have been misled by false teaching... Let's learn to Study the bible ourselves and consult with those more knowledgeable than us. God bless you...
Did you follow your own assertions and study for yourself to know if these two are right or wrong? they completely missed the mark. They are in such grave error that I fear for their eternal salvation.
Jesu is the Yoruba transliteration of Jesus. When towards the end Reno prayed in Yoruba invoking Jesu, the name he had strenuously denied was the name of Jesus, did he not recognize he was destroying his own argument?
I have come to understand that nobody not even DF or Reno o can actually fully know the truth. But atleast we all believe there is God. And Jesus is the way to him and we should love our neighbors. I think that these things are ok to be Christians. Enough is enough - make everybody believe wetin dem wan believe.
I had to rewatch this video. Hahaaaa... Trying to juxtapose between nija network And abroad network. "...hello you've frozen.... " 😂🤣🤣🤣 Nice discussion great men.
God is only 1...and his holy messenger Jesus christ...now you want to say that Jesus is holy he is God...what about Adam who was the being created and not born from ant one?....will you call him God?
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At 10mins left, Reno just said *amin loruko Jesu* in response to DF of *devil is a liar* Reno unconsciously used the name *Jesu which Yoruba name for Jesus* So he used the name Jesus 🤣🤣🤣
John 1:1-3. Jesus claimed to be the Son of God which affirmed His equality with God (John 10:22-39), Inspiration affirmed that Jesus, “who being in the form of God did not consider it robbery to be equal with God” (Philippians 2:5-7). The word “form” refers to the very essence, nature and image ratherr than just righteous attributes. 👍
This is very good and enlightening. However, (1) I would want Mr Reno to please try to link Philippians 2:5-11 to Isaiah 45:23. Here the divinity of Jesus as God is very unambiguous. In fact like the Rev Father said, the early apostles understood this and actually worshiped Jesus as God. (2) Again concerning the use of Jesus instead of Jeshua, please Mr Reno and Daddy Freeze you may consider that Paul who wrote majority of the NT wrote in Koine Greek and not in Hebrew. And early manuscripts show that Paul in Philippians 2:5-11, used 'Iēsous' (Koine Greek version of Jeshua), instead of JESHUA. What does this tell us. No emphasis was placed on the use of the Hebrew word JESHUA, because the bible tells us in Romans 10:12-13, that “For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved” This also applied to other apostles who wrote in Koine Greek. they all used 'Iēsous' instead of JESHUA. Moreover, there were many other people in the bible who were called JESHUA and their name never invoked any power. Meaning that there is no actual power in the name JESHUA (on its own) but the power is in the person behind the name, in this case CHRIST. So whatever language, provided you are referring to the deity who PAUL called "Iēsous Christos Kyrios” ((Jesus Christ is Lord) God recognizes it. Thanks. I am just an inquisitive layman. You may check out this link for more insight : www.thecrosspensacola.org/new-blog/2020/4/20/should-christians-say-yeshua-instead-of-jesus
These two are not concerned with the truth, they are concerned with sounding intellectual and coming across as having knowledge that supersedes what has already been established and can be verified even from the Old Testament alone without even getting to the New Testament.
It is a debate. Jesus is God. John 14 : 5 - 12 will do a blast understand of whom he is. He is supreme and a spirit. We all have spirit, flesh and a soul but we are one person. He can transform imself into any desired creature. John 1: 8 - 11.
I can't find any input of the Holy Spirit in your discussion. .... For me ....If you can't rationalize how God beget a son or how God became God, then don't bother trying to understand the Trinity, it is a Mystery ...
A MUST READ TO AVOID BEING DECEIVED AND TO BE LED AWAY FROM THE REAL TEACHINGS OF CHRIST THAT MATTER - Kindly open the link below on a browser and read to avoid being led away by the error of the WICKED. www.thecrosspensacola.org/new-blog/2020/4/20/should-christians-say-yeshua-instead-of-jesus I quote - "At minimum, these types of issues expose poor hermeneutics, misguided zeal and interests, and an inability to look to the Scriptures as our final authority. But more severely, I fear that these ideas I have sought to dismiss in this article are not for the sake of the gospel, but are rather “foolish controversies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law,” and “are unprofitable and worthless” (Titus 3:9)." - Kent Langham A man who could dismiss other claims about Christ but fails to explain the Isaiah 9:6 but rather started stammering and giving some unfound reasons not to explain that. May God open your minds so you could understand the Scriptures.
Anyone who knows anything about the Bible and reads it knows that Jesus Christ is Yeshua. Whether in English, Aramaic, or Hebrew. Jesus is God, He accepted worship in scriptures. He made Himself lower (in that he took on flesh and came to the earth) than the Father though He didn't count it robbery to be equal to the Father. So He was and He is God, an aspect of the Father come to thd earth.
@@danladiojito9741 A MUST READ TO AVOID BEING DECEIVED AND TO BE LED AWAY FROM THE REAL TEACHINGS OF CHRIST THAT MATTER - Kindly open the link below on a browser and read to avoid being led away by the error of the WICKED. www.thecrosspensacola.org/new-blog/2020/4/20/should-christians-say-yeshua-instead-of-jesus I quote - "At minimum, these types of issues expose poor hermeneutics, misguided zeal and interests, and an inability to look to the Scriptures as our final authority. But more severely, I fear that these ideas I have sought to dismiss in this article are not for the sake of the gospel, but are rather “foolish controversies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law,” and “are unprofitable and worthless” (Titus 3:9)." - Kent Langham A man who could dismiss other claims about Christ but fails to explain the Isaiah 9:6 but rather started stammering and giving some unfound reasons not to explain that. May God open your minds so you could understand the Scriptures.
Most times I don't comments on your channel, but i have to do this time. I will say both of you tried, Jesus- (Jeʹsus)[Latin. form of the Greek. I·e·sousʹ, which corresponds to the Hebrew. Ye·shuʹaʽ or Yehoh·shuʹaʽ is not God Almighty. ) double respect to both of you for clearly explaining the scripture with reference and deep meaning.
#akokoh: what you don't understand is that the name Yeshua means "YHWH IS SALVATION" in the English language, his second name is Immanuel which means "God is with us" but Jesus has no meaning in English. Jesus name in Greek is iesous which means a "Pagan healer" in the Greek mythology and in latin his name is iesus which means an "earth pig"...you can read, make some researches and proof me wrong....Shalom Aleichem
@@Jamie_4real :The Original Greek scriptures translates the end of John 1.1 as ‘the Word as a god’ in order to avoid the identification of Yeshua with the God of the Old Testament, and avoid seeing Yeshua as God incarnate.Christ is not God but an embodiment of the Almighty God. The word TRINITY is not even written in the Bible .
He has made us competent as ministers of the new covenant - not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills but the Spirit gives life.2 Cor 3:6. The disciples didn't know the true position of Jesus Christ until the Spirit of God revealed it to Peter, i.e after Jesus Christ had confronted them with a question about His identity. Peter was praised by Jesus Christ for receiving the truth about His identity from the Spirit of God. Conversely, the same Peter was used by the spirit of Satan to resist the plan of God as it concerns the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Christ had to rebuke Satan (who spoke through Peter). Therefore, before you start to discuss or debate issues as sensitive as the authenticity of the translated Bible, the name of Jesus Christ, or the position of Jesus Christ in the God Head, let us ensure that we are led by the Spirit of God.
Lol... You guys have a lot on your slate. It's leaking. This is how. The idea of Holy Trinity is not just in the few verses you are pointing out here... It litters almost every page of the Bible if you look closely. Let me say that I don't have Greek or Hebrew or Aramaic knowledge anyway. I hope that doesn't make me an idiot and my use of King James Bible doesn't make me an illiterate. Let's check logical examples comparing the verses below and drawing a logical conclusion from them. Emphases mine and all words in brackets mine: 1. Gen. 1:1 In the beginning GOD created the heavens and the earth (NKJV). 2. Gen. 1:27 So GOD created man in HIS own image (NKJV). Compare these verses with the following: 3. Gen. 1:26 Then GOD said, "let US make man in OUR image..." (NKJV) 4. John 1:3 "ALL THINGS were made through HIM (JESUS) and without HIM (JESUS) NOTHING WAS MADE (NKJV). Now the questions: 1. Who created? My answer will me God alone. 2. Who's image does man have? I'll say God's image. That God Almighty whose image we have is the "US" in Gen. 1:26, and nothing was created without HIM in John 1:3. That God created the begining that was before heavens and earth... But John 1:3 states emphatically that EVEN THE BEGINNING WAS NOT created without JESUS! Again Revelation said some things quite clear! Who is the First and Last? Who is the Begining and the Ending? I'll say God alone! Jesus said in Rev. 22:12 (NKJV) "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last". But Jesus was a lot more explicit in Revelations 1:8 (NKJV): "I am the Alpha and the Omega, Beginning and the End... who WAS, who IS and who IS TO COME, THE ALMIGHTY"!!! This no doubt is Jesus! But how does Jesus being the First and the Last mean He's God? The answer lies in Isaiah 44:6 (NKJV) "Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: I am the First and the Last, AND THERE'S NO GOD BESIDES ME"! Again in Isaiah 48:12 (NKJV) "Listen to me O Jacob, even Israel whom I called; I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last"! Hia! You are still doubting if they are the same PERSON? Revelations described Jesus in chapter verses 13 and 16 "He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood... And He has on his robe and on His thigh a name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS"!!! There is only one God. He's JESUS CHRIST!
Jesus is God in the flesh. the Son of God. When He claimed to be the son of God the Jews tried to kill him because THEY understood that by claiming to be the son of God, Jesus made himself equal with God.
If Jesus is not God who is he? An Angel? An Archangel? Who? And if he is not God then he is must be created being. Can another created being really atone for man's sin? All you need to know anout the identity of Jesus is in Hebrews Chapter 1 pay special attention to verse 8. All you need to lnow about the identity of Jesus
Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. So he is the pathway, the true information about God and he being the life is the same destination (God). So you can see here that if man had not fallen God would have remained only Life, but because man fell, God reduced himself into a pathway and provided true information for man's return to him. All these were demonstrated in Jesus Christ. So Jesus Christ is that same God. Irrespective of the different translations of his name, his word is not different but one truth. So don't argue about names and drift from his truth. Follow that truth that Christ revealed in his word, that's all that matters.
More clearer with the comments list jesus said my father my father and Philip ask jesus show us the father and jesus answered have i be with u and u are still asking for the father who have seen me have seen ( HIM) the father. Df & omokori with du respect when was jesus created. God can not lie the law of witness God can not work against his laws. God can not do anything on earth without having a witness, for him to have a witness his word become a person, in the beginning was the word and the word is with God, God started ( jesus, Amen, let their be.) The name that settle everything. Let their be light, let their be sea, through wisdom God creates heaven and earth through him althing were made visible and invisible, jesus is wisdom of God. My point jesus is God
A MUST READ TO AVOID BEING DECEIVED AND TO BE LED AWAY FROM THE REAL TEACHINGS OF CHRIST THAT MATTER - Kindly open the link below on a browser and read to avoid being led away by the error of the WICKED. www.thecrosspensacola.org/new-blog/2020/4/20/should-christians-say-yeshua-instead-of-jesus I quote - "At minimum, these types of issues expose poor hermeneutics, misguided zeal and interests, and an inability to look to the Scriptures as our final authority. But more severely, I fear that these ideas I have sought to dismiss in this article are not for the sake of the gospel, but are rather “foolish controversies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law,” and “are unprofitable and worthless” (Titus 3:9)." - Kent Langham A man who could dismiss other claims about Christ but fails to explain the Isaiah 9:6 but rather started stammering and giving some unfound reasons not to explain that. May God open your minds so you could understand the Scriptures.
Around 31.18 DF + Reno begin the argument (more like a strawman actually) about the foundation used for the Trinity by the mainstream Christians/Evangelicals as Matthew 28:19 advanced by DF but dismissed by Reno who offered 1 John 5:7 instead which he says only KJV provides. From an intellectual viewpoint, this is shallow. The KJV is a 1611 document whereas the Trinity issue/debate has been on since late 2nd century / early 3rd century. Tertullian (155-240 AD) the Church Father responded to Sabellius in the early 3rd century 1400 years before the KJV was commissioned! Reno cannot argue that the Trinity is hinged on 1 John 5:7 which is a non-existent verse in the original bible (but only found in the KJV which was commissioned in the 17th century) but it just so happens that the Church has been teaching the Trinity pretty early and also dealing with heretics like Sabellius (Modalism) and Arius (Arianism). It was mostly for the latter heretic that the first major council at Nicea in 325 was convened by the first Christian Emperor, Constantine. Again, Why just have a debate/discussion with those with whom you agree...Reno, DSA? Expand it a bit I can assure you of the in-depth scholarship available on any area of Christian issue that you may want to discuss.
The 1st 3 verses of the Bible (Genesis 1-3) point to the trinity. v1 God the Father, v2 God the spirit v3 God the spoken Word i.e. Jesus. Why is Jesus worshipped if he is not God?
@@yomiadelaja8329Quran 5.110. Then will Allah say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel and behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but evident magic.'
That I went to Jerusalem, there and there is completely baseless and does not convey any single meaning. Did u see 'Yeshua' there? Or Paul, Peter and the rest? Or did u meet a littered Jerusalem?
Reno was spot on.Though as a jew I disagreed completely that Yeshua/Jeez is the way to God.The ONLY TESTAMENT mistakenly called the Old Testament by the fabricators of the Greek testament a.k.a Christianity CLEARLY showed that God is One and the way to Salvation is through the Torah or 7 category of Laws (Noahide laws)for the gentiles. Very interesting discussion.
I like what Reno said, that he do not give his opinion. He just says what the bible says, that's perfect. That's me. Ok, that said, Freeze said what Acts 7:55 said about Stephen. Stephen NEVER said that he saw Christ standing on the right hand SIDE of God. SIDE never appeared in the bible in addition to RIGHT HAND place of Christ in God. Yeshua is Yahweh's right hand. Christ said it right here on earth that he sits on the RIGHT HAND of the Father. Not once had it been said that Christ sits or stands at GODs RIGHT HAND SIDE. I dont talk about their equality. All the revelation I got from my own few personal study & listening to people wey sabi pass me like U two(Freeze & Reno), is that Christ is a part of God not a 2nd God. Christ on earth was a REVELATION of the unseen God. Christ in heaven is Gods right hand of power.
Acts 7:54-60 New International Version The Stoning of Stephen 54 When the members of the Sanhedrin heard this, they were furious and gnashed their teeth at him. 55 But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56 “Look,” he said, “I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”
@@ifeanyifelix1108 I dont even understand U. Maybe U go back & re-read my comment again. It's clear U read it in a rush. Did the word "SIDE" appear in Ur copied verses? RIGHT HAND & RIGHT HAND SIDE are not thesame o! Bible never said RIGHT HAND SIDE anywhere. Christ is the RIGHT HAND OF GOD. Simple & certain.
The same person that said Yeshua is the right name cos it’s greek and said not to use Hebrew name is the same person that said Amin loruko “Jesu” … Why using Yoruba name and not Hebrews… Abi Jesu na Greek name?? The question is, Does God really care about which of the good Names we call His begotten son? I know I’ve prayed in the name of Jesus and he answered me… why should I worry soo much about Greek, English or Yoruba name? Just thinking ni sha… you too think about it!!!
DF and Reno. Thank you. To make this discussion really worth the while and enlightening, why don't you guys actually have a discussion or debate with someone or people diametrically opposed to your position. I suggest someone like @Korede Olawoyin. There are more folks from that side by the way. See a challenge here. ua-cam.com/video/grsfqYkYmy0/v-deo.html
Tell them Freeze. They all worship Yeshua and forget the Almighty God. Make una no drive God jealous o. God is still the father. Some sef say gospel singers wey no de add Jesus to their songs are not real 🤦🏻♀️.
An interesting conversation, but I would still say “rather ambitious” the idea of christianity or a truly single faith is universality of the message and not so to speak the culture, which from another perspective does not demonstrate the oneness and reality of God. Hence if I need to learn coin Greek or speak Aramaic to truly understand the Bible, then clearly it defeats the idea of the eternal nature of God, does it not? 2 minutes ago
That's the problem you don't understand what he's saying, the translated bible is not fully correct, when you translate from one language to another you can't never get 100% translation. But 99.9 percent of Christians are too lazy to learn Aramaic or Hebrew to read the bible in it's original version
1. DF said the name Christ came from the Greek word “Kristos”, meaning messiah. That is TRUE. Christ is anglicized rendition of the Greek word “Kristos”. It is also TRUE that followers of Greek Kristos were called Christians, again in anglicized rendition. But just as today’s xtians have to identify which xtianity they belong to; Pentecostal xtian (Adeboye/Oyedepo/Oyakhilome pikin) or Anglican or Catholic xtian, etc so did the followers of the different Greek Kristos identified themselves with the Kristo they were following. Worshippers of Ptolemy’s Serapis in Alexandria, Egypt, and other places, were called Christians. And their leaders had the title of Episcopus/Episcopos in Greek or Overseer/Bishop in English. Look up history. And these were from about 367 BCE, 4 Centuries before Jesus was said to have existed. So xtianity did not start with Jesus, in reality Jesus was an invention of Rome to continue the worship of their Greco-Roman gods, Kristos. But Kontinu. 2. Which god do you worship and does it save you? But let’s use just the bible itself to make clearer what the Rabbis and xtians are hiding, each for a separate reason. Let’s leave other books of knowledge The Most High, El Elyon in Hebrew, the creator of the heavens and the earth, has sons called the Sons of God. In “Let us make Man in our own image”, El Elyon was addressing his sons, the “Sons of God” The Elohim, in Hebrew “The Council of Gods” In the book of Job, the xtian bible tells you that the Sons of God, i.e the Sons of El Elyon gather to worship. Melchizedek was not Jew, was not a priest of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He was a priest of the Most High, El Elyon. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is YAHWEH. In Deuteronomy 32v 8 - 9, the Hebrew bible states; “8 When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance, when he divided all mankind, he set up boundaries for the peoples according to the number of the sons of Israel”. Was the world split according to the number of the sons of Jacob? No. Here the Jews want to make their god, Yahweh, the Most High in order to get the whole world to worship their god, Yahweh. And verse 9 says “For the Lord’s portion is his people, Jacob his allotted inheritance” The Dead Sea scrolls brought to light this ploy and it states that the original reading of verse 8 is “When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance, when he divided all mankind, he set up boundaries for the peoples according to the Sons of God” not the sons of Israel. Verse 9 correctly rendered is “For the Lord’s portion (Israel's god, Yahweh) is his people, Jacob his allotted inheritance” How can Jacob be the inheritance of the God that created the heavens and the earth? You inherit something from somebody and something you didn’t own. The Jews used their bible to get the whole world to worship Yahweh, their god and Greco-Roman powers used their powers to insert their own god Zeus or Jesus in as another co-equal god and called it trinity. Some 600 years later, the sons of Arabia added another their own and today it also has billions of followers. Is Man here on earth to worship? No. If so, then our creator, the Most High would have established that amongst us the way He did for his sons, the Sons of God. Any record of Adam and Eve worshipping in the garden of Eden? We are here as caretakers of the earth and to recognize Him in our daily activities. All His creations, on earth, are here to support you - the Sun, the Moon, the Waters, Flora and Fauna are at Man’s disposal to fulfill his job of caretaker. Command them. Your bible said Joshua commanded the Sun and it obeyed. Not worship the Sun or any other creation. But if you want to exhaust your life in Worship, who are you worshipping? The god who inherited your place or the god of other people? While the Most High div’ed up the sons of Man according to the Sons of God, you as a son of man is still His creation and whom He gave dominion over the earth and all His creations in it. While his sons have authority over territories, sons of Man still have their freewill to pursue their choices and where there is a conflict of interest between son of Man and son of God, the son of Man can petition the Most High. The Most High did not exonerate Adam because a “son of God” led him to disobey, Adam had his freewill to exercise and could not claim the serpent forced him. Yes, the “Prince of your land”, the principality of your land can play games on you, even suffer you and all that, your WILL, Determination and Works determine where you end up, not faith in anything. Faith is willingly relinquishing your power, your dominion to the whims of another being. Melchizedek did not serve any son of God. He served the Most High. You’re here to serve the purpose of the Most High 3. Jesus, “The Way” to God? Which God? The god of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob or Greco-Roman Pantheon or is Jesus now the priest leading you to the gods of your land? Have you noticed that your so-called powerful pastors have a loop with the fallen altars of your land. The church is their conduit now. From "the ancestors said...", it is now "the spirit of the lord told me...." Stay away. 4. Finally, Africa, Nigeria can we leave religion and focus on building our communities and societies. Religion is man-made and made to control others for some purpose. The conquerors and destroyers used it, xtian Europe and muslim Arab, to rob and rape our lands and forefathers. The people that brought us religion practice the most abominable things. Developed societies are not religious. Europe has even dropped its religion while Africa, led by tithe-seeking-millionaires (pastors) in Nigeria have adopted religion to dumb down the people and rob them of their resources and future. It is us, this generation and the generations of our children that will suffer our absence from science and technology to still remain slaves to those who have enslaved us and our lands for millennia. We are own own saviours. In the meantime, note that Jesus never existed. He was created by man. It is Myth made history.
@@stanlook6374 That's quite a comment Stanlo. But I won't because that's what the dark forces that have enthroned themselves over Africa and her children want. They want us to be slaves for the rest of the nations and since physical slavery has been abolished, they want us to expend all our energies in debates about religion while others seek knowledge advance and even come to colonize our talents and resources. The Most High blessed Africa with golden resources but in all of Africa, it is the children of the stranger that control our wealth while our daily engagement is religion. Stanlo read/study the bible by yourself, verse to verse from first verse of Genesis to the last verse of Revelation. That's beside the selective verses your pastors picks every Sunday to make you believe what he wants. You'd see the some truths and the manipulations yourself. I did and moved on to build what I have built. I have workers to pay and not in Naira so I have gone beyond the ploy of the "Savages from the Deep". Yes that's what I call them. They took my people, our people, through the brutal slavery in Europe and America and till today, they are not done, causing chaos and hatred among us to keep us down, to make us the foot mat of the world. The Church is the poultry farm of the so-called "Ancestors" who are not our fathers and mothers gone but mortal ancients-of-days bent on feeding off of our blood and tears. The gods of Europe, Asia and other places are benevolent to them but the gods of Africa are darkness personified. Wish you well my brother.
A simple analogy of wat Jesus meant by through him u will get to God...a case of a gate man and the house owner. To see d owner of the house, u must go tru the gate man (servant). Christ is/was nothing but a servant of God,he did only wat he was told to do.indeed, believing in his massage will lead u to God
Your claims about divinity of Jesus Christ is not new. Ahmed Deedat, zakir Naik, adnan Rashid and other Agnostics allude to this heresy and it has been debunked several times over. So tell us something we don’t know LOL
1 Corinthians 15:24-28 New International Version 24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom(A) to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.(B) 25 For he must reign(C) until he has put all his enemies under his feet.(D) 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death.(E) 27 For he “has put everything under his feet.”[a](F) Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.(G) 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him,(H) so that God may be all in all.(I)
Where were the first people to get hold of the bible 2000? In whose language was the bible written first? How did the bible got to English word and how do English people write in the past Were people on earth before the birth of jesus? who were they? Who was Joseph in the bible how many Joseph do they wrote in the bible? When was the first bible printed. The name jesus is English or Greek there was no J as English before, not even to talk of Joshua but since we worship English word, their son's name is jesus. Is there any way we can be recognized as the Most High servants without passing through jesus?
Why do DF called this debate, when two of them agree on the subject matter. If you want to debate, let someone with divergent opinion debate this topic with you.
You don't seem to understand the title. He meant a debate amongst Christians not a debate between the two of them.
Thank you Lord, that there are still devoted men of God exposing us to the truth. Two well read and very resourceful men of God. I have been blessed by this great conversation 🙏🏽
Stop bothering yourself about doctrines or scriptural which the bible discourages as stupid; Accept Jesus as your Lord and personal saviour, Love God as well as your neighbor, try to live outside sin, and have a personal relationship with God.
I seriously hope it won't be too late for you before you eventually know the truth! @princess MLou.
This your Daddy Freeze needs serious deliverance. Oh never mind , I'm unsubscribing before you blocked me.
Nice session.
I don't understand what people were expecting, criticising this as "not being a debate". A debate doesn't necessarily represent an "argument", it can be a discussion to air views and enlighten the public. Two analysts can share similar views, while pondering a topic of discussion. It doesn't have to provoke heats and chaos. I guess people were expecting to see slaps flying from end to end, to accept the session as a debate.
Well done Freeze and Reno.
So persuaded that Jesus is God in all absoluteness.
Listen to Jesus' response to Philip in John 14.. He says to Philip, you have not known me since you cannot reconcile the father with me.
Honestly what matters is knowing that Jesus Christ came to this world and died for our sins and whosoever believes in this and accept him as his/her Lord and savior will have eternal life,that is the crux of the matter.
@ Adedayo Emmanuel... Point out where Jesus says accept me as your " Lord & personal saviour & you will make heaven in d Bible" ? These people were more knowledgeable & understood d real words of Bible than you, they don't complicate issues like other so called modern pastors.... If you have ever watched d programs of d Islamic clerics , I mean d Comparative Sermons with many Pastors... These are d topics that usually made them fell like packs of cards..... Jesus said, "To y'all Israelites, listen our Lord, God is One"..... My brother if you wanna make heaven read Bible by yourself from Genesis to revelation, & you will understand better, don't follow these modern days pastor's complicated teachings that mainly centered around riches, & not salvation.... Note,.... If you read Bible very well, you will discovered that Jesus has no house that he lives, tell me where you see Jesus changing his cloth.... A rich man came to him & asked how do I make heaven ? Y'all knows his answer, ... Give out all your riches to the poor & follow me in my crusade, d rich man never did it..... Now see Oyedepo sacking over 40 pastors cos they don't meet up their targets..... Like Nigerian Bankers..... Jim Reeves in his old records, he sang " This World is not our own , we're just passing by there, heaven is our home.... So, close your eyes to the worldly things & strive hard to make heaven my brother...... Our time on earth is limited, eternity should be our priority....
Jesus died for the sins of the world?.....that is so Pagan....so Roman....so syncretic....so stupid.... God doesnt need to kill somebody to save everybody ! Jesus is nobody's saviour..... nobody's sacrifice ! Jesus is a product of years of racial power play and excellent marketing !
The name matters a lot bcos the scriptures says that there's no other name that mankind can be saved other than the name of Yeshua. If the Catholic Church hv lied abt the name, the question we should be asking now is what other things hv they lied abt?
That's not what matters. If you believe in a Jesus other than the one revealed in the Bible, who claimed nothing short of being deity, then you can't be saved
Only God is the saviour...Jesus always beg God and thanks him...He even said the father is the only true God.
We can never interpret spiritual things with mental or physical sense. The interpretation of trinity is like water that can be in ordinary liquid form that we as human can drink, or in solid form like ice, or in gaseous state like vapor that can escape into the atmosphere. All is still same water chemically. Look at it this way, a sachet or bag of water could be harmless if smashed at someone's head, but the reverse is the case if the same sachet of water ( "pure water") is frozen and then someone get smashed by it.
Summary: God only relates with us in the form that we can comprehend and relate with, seen or unseen. Trinity is one and only God.
This is not a debate at all. Just two people agreeing with each other. There are many scriptures that show that Jesus is God in the flesh. Isaiah 9 says that unto us is a son given and the government shall be upon His shoulders and His name shall be called the mighty God, the everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace. He is the wonderful counsellor. How can a child be called the everlasting Father and the mighty God if He is not God?
Emmanuel, God with us
I'm so impressed and blessed by this Revelation.
What revelation?
Excellent Teachers . God bless you both
I respect the submission from this debate. I will never forget the encounter I had in 2017. I was debating in my heart this same topic on my way from work one day. Surprisingly, the next morning, I heard a convincing small voice beyond reasonable doubt which I knew was the voice of Christ Himself say to me He is God. Since that day, it is no longer a debate for me.
Like seriously are you all morons, this isn't a debate, but a discussion by two like minded ignorant fellow. If reno wants a debate let him debate a proper theologian
@@legendaryboseeinternationa2906 what is a proper theologian ???
This is what I say too, scripture aside if you pray about christ that you want to know who he was, he will surely come to you and make himself known to you.
really??? Christ spoke to you and you are not a prophet yet??? Amazing.
Flo Ade, you’ve heard a different voice. Jesus is not God and he never equates himself with God. Jehovah is the Almighty God, the creator of Jesus and his mother Mary. Jesus is just a servant of God that’s why he said “ I was sent not to the gentiles but to the lost sheep of the house of David.
Thank you DF and Reno for sharing enormous scriptural knowledge.
Upon learning everywhere they still err.
Ability to recite the Koran does not equal understanding, similarly ability to quote every verse in the bible from Genesis to Revelation also does not guarantee UNDERSTANDING .....
@Reno pls rationalize how GOD beget Christ or How GOD became GOD......
If you can't rationalize the above then there is a serious problem oh
Jesus said I and my father are one
The simple truth is Jesus is God
Did I hear Reno say "Amin l'oruko Jesu"? Why didn't he say "Amin l'oruko Yeshua"?
Hahahha... I heard and thought about that too
God said to Moses, "tell Pharaoh, I am That I am sent you" . The only translation to this is, when you choose to call him Jehovah he answers, Osalobia in Benin, he answers, Ala in hausa he Answers, Oghene in Urobo he answers, Yahweh in Hebrew he answers. Likewise Jesus, when you choose to call him Yeshua he answers, Jesu he answers, Jesus he answers.
Our host said he don't use the name Jesus but little did he know that he just did right in this transmission, when he said Amen Oruko Jesu; at simply means in Jesus name.
All languages and tribes are God's orchestrated and so, Aramaic was the language spoken when Jesus was born that's why the angel called him Yeshua, if English was the then spoken Language he would have been named Jesus directly. Let me also make this clear that Jesus is a translation of Yeshua without missing words it is from the Latin IESVS which means Yeshua. You see the Latins call him IESVS, the English call him Jesus, the rest of the world call Jesu. The Greek call him Yeshua, likewise in Aramaic. At the end of the day it's just the same thing.
You are even more deep than the debates. Thanks so much brother for the deep explanations you have just given
you are correct.
@@andyazure3804 He makes sense but that is not right call him Yeshua, since you already know his real name
I respect your opinions, you both are deep and I am always eager to listen to you,but I beg to differ on this. I would love to have a peaceful debate on this to point out some serious flaws with regards to your views in this regard. With all due respect, I am ready for a debate on this with any of you
@daddy freeze. Pls invite this gentleman next. He has a contrary opinion
Why don't u point out one of the serious flaws u observed while you await their invite
I respect you speed of thought.
However, should you desire a debate to uphold any contrary opinion, one would expect you will furnish us with sufficient biblical support and not theological teaching in order to buttress your point in an objective manner.
Jesus is God. And there are many scripture to support this suggestion. Well in subsquent days I will furnish DF with all backing scripture..
Did Jesus in his own words said he is God OR you and your pastors misinterpreted the scriptures to call Jesus God ?? I will be interested in what Jesus said , not what you and your pastors in flesh and blood says.
@Joseph Obasuyi. Please I will like to know the scripture that support the suggestion that Jesus is God
I also want to know....less you forget before you establish a doctrine from the scriptures, the prophets have to say it, Jesus has to declare it, and the apostles has to preach it.
Why do we have to learn Greek to know God. Doesn't God understand our language such that he will give us his revelation just like he revealed himself to Muhammad?
Or did European civilization make us through our scriptures away too?
God help us...
Revealed Himself to muhammad? Would God tell someone to follows lies? If not then we can't say God revealed Himself to muhammad.
@@Captain_Of_A_Starship what was his motive for lying if you think he lied?
@@aikonni
To motives, Either he was deceived or he hated Christianity. Because the book already warned of not accepting any other gospel even from an angel, that's scripture so muhammad contradicting Jesus and the disciples and the bible is pretty hard to ignore.
Why do we have to learn Arabic to know God either,
Zechariah 2:10-11
[10]The lord says, “Shout and rejoice, O beautiful Jerusalem, for I am coming to live among you.
[11]Many nations will join themselves to the lord on that day, and they, too, will be my people. I will live among you, and you will know that the lord of Heaven’s Armies sent me to you.
So can you please help me with 1st Corinthians 15th 24-28 ?
I have told my Christians fellow several times, learn the scriptures from the original language, but I don't blame them, their so called pastors will never tell them the truth.
And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. And He laid His right hand upon me, saying to me, Fear not; I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST: I AM HE THAT LIVES, AND WAS DEAD; AND BEHOLD, I AM ALIVE FOR EVERMORE, AMEN; AND HAVE THE KEYS OF HELL AND DEATH
REV 1:17-18.
Christ isn't just the Son of God but God incarnate. He is the God-Man that's why He was able to mediate between God and man
Who is “the first and the last”?
The Bible applies this term both to Jehovah God and to his Son, Jesus, but with different meanings. Consider two examples.
At Isaiah 44:6, Jehovah says: “I am the first and I am the last. There is no God but me.” Here Jehovah highlights that he is the everlasting true God; besides him, there is no other. (Deuteronomy 4:35, 39) In this case, then, the expression “the first and the last” has the same meaning as “the Alpha and the Omega.”
Additionally, the term “the First [pro’tos, not alpha] and the Last [e’skha·tos, not omega]” occurs at Revelation 1:17, 18 and 2:8. In these verses, the context shows that the one referred to died and later returned to life. Thus, these verses cannot refer to God because he has never died. (Habakkuk 1:12) However, Jesus died and was resurrected. (Acts 3:13-15) He was the first human to be resurrected to immortal spirit life in heaven, where he now lives “forever and ever.” (Revelation 1:18; Colossians 1:18) Jesus is the one who performs all resurrections thereafter. (John 6:40, 44) Therefore, he was the last one to be resurrected directly by Jehovah. (Acts 10:40) In this sense, Jesus can properly be called “the First and the Last.”
Reno serving it not hot🔥🔥🔥
Great respect and love for you both
Thanks you to both, I’m really enlightened.
What does Emmanuel mean,in scripture. God with us or d son of god wit us.
I and my father are one, if Jesus’s is not God he can’t tell Peter that what ever you ban on earth will be ban in Heaven. Listen to the authority of the man Jesus Christ he doesn’t speak like other prophets. He has its place at the right hand side of God. Understand that heaven has authority.
A MUST READ TO AVOID BEING DECEIVED AND TO BE LED AWAY FROM THE REAL TEACHINGS OF CHRIST THAT MATTER -
Kindly open the link below on a browser and read to avoid being led away by the error of the WICKED.
www.thecrosspensacola.org/new-blog/2020/4/20/should-christians-say-yeshua-instead-of-jesus
I quote - "At minimum, these types of issues expose poor hermeneutics, misguided zeal and interests, and an inability to look to the Scriptures as our final authority. But more severely, I fear that these ideas I have sought to dismiss in this article are not for the sake of the gospel, but are rather “foolish controversies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law,” and “are unprofitable and worthless” (Titus 3:9)." - Kent Langham
A man who could dismiss other claims about Christ but fails to explain the Isaiah 9:6 but rather started stammering and giving some unfound reasons not to explain that.
May God open your minds so you could understand the Scriptures.
This is so surprising that you don't know who Jesus really is. Isaiah 9:6 clearly reveals the Deity of Jesus Christ. Unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given, and the government shall be upon his shoulder and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father and the Prince of Peace. Jesus is God! No doubt about it.
lovecharles76. Isaiah 9:6 is prophetic, "he will be called" and all said fulfilled. There is nowhere in the Bible that Jesus referred to Himself as Father or God.
Thank you. Jesus responded to Philip, though you have been with me for long now, you have not known me since you have not the Father. John 14. Jesus is the language to explain God.. Why people dont know God is because they dont know Jesus Jesus. When one says Christ Jesus is not God it is just a manifestation of that person lack of any true relationship with God.
God doesn't have a son, Christ is God who manifested in human flesh to reveal God presence in us to us.
Are you saying Jesus did not exist in heaven as a separate person from God before he came down to the earth to be born by Mary?
@@olusegunesuruoso1460 No human can prove it.
All angels are sons of the true God
This is my Son in whom I am well pleased!! Who said that?😊
Jesus is God! No doubt about it. The Prophets spoke about his Deity. Jesus spoke about his Deity. Jesus is the Word of God and God and his Word cannot be separated. Daddy Freeze is a character. He cannot be trusted. Last time I heard him said Jesus is Satan but now he is agreeing with his guest that Jesus is Yeshua and Co.
It's a very good analysis . But I was thinking it was someone who do not believe Christ is not God . Next time pls invite those pastors who deny and instead think of the trinity God bless
They won't agree to come
Philippians 2:6
“Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:”
being in the form of Eloim does not mean being Eloim
A MUST READ TO AVOID BEING DECEIVED AND TO BE LED AWAY FROM THE REAL TEACHINGS OF CHRIST THAT MATTER -
Kindly open the link below on a browser and read to avoid being led away by the error of the WICKED.
www.thecrosspensacola.org/new-blog/2020/4/20/should-christians-say-yeshua-instead-of-jesus
I quote - "At minimum, these types of issues expose poor hermeneutics, misguided zeal and interests, and an inability to look to the Scriptures as our final authority. But more severely, I fear that these ideas I have sought to dismiss in this article are not for the sake of the gospel, but are rather “foolish controversies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law,” and “are unprofitable and worthless” (Titus 3:9)." - Kent Langham
A man who could dismiss other claims about Christ but fails to explain the Isaiah 9:6 but rather started stammering and giving some unfound reasons not to explain that.
May God open your minds so you could understand the Scriptures.
I am watching from Germany , my dear Daddy Freeze , JESUS CHRIST is hundred Percent God and also hundred percent Man , Please , Kindly read the book of St. John , chapter 1 from 1 to 14 and Genesis Chapter 1 from 1 to 15 There ,you will see that Jesus Christ is the word of God Almighty Made Fresh ,that is the reason why , JESUS CHRIST IS GOD ALMIGHTY HIMSELF , I have Just told you The hundred Percent truth and you got to believe it , !!!!!!!!!!
We appreciate your continued proclamation of God's word. The following is a literal translation from the Hebrew Bible - Hebrew Names Version (HNV). For the sake of clarity, I have divided them into three categories. I am confident that the verses are self-explanatory and that anyone who reads them will be able to draw conclusions.
1 John 5:6 - This is he who came by water and blood, Yeshua the Messiah; not with the water only, but with the water and the blood. It is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is the truth.
1 John 5:7 - For there are three who testify:
1 John 5:8 - the Spirit, and the water, and the blood; and the three agree as one.
I could recite the Quran at a very early age cos I was raised a Muslim though now a Christian. Cos I crammed early, I still can recite it..
😂🤣😂🤣
From frying Pan to fire
Good decision
The wisest decision you can ever make in life..a god that promise virgins in paradise can not be the true god😅😅
Without understanding the meaning of the words since it's in Arabic.
New International Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1
A MUST READ TO AVOID BEING DECEIVED AND TO BE LED AWAY FROM THE REAL TEACHINGS OF CHRIST THAT MATTER -
Kindly open the link below on a browser and read to avoid being led away by the error of the WICKED.
www.thecrosspensacola.org/new-blog/2020/4/20/should-christians-say-yeshua-instead-of-jesus
I quote - "At minimum, these types of issues expose poor hermeneutics, misguided zeal and interests, and an inability to look to the Scriptures as our final authority. But more severely, I fear that these ideas I have sought to dismiss in this article are not for the sake of the gospel, but are rather “foolish controversies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law,” and “are unprofitable and worthless” (Titus 3:9)." - Kent Langham
A man who could dismiss other claims about Christ but fails to explain the Isaiah 9:6 but rather started stammering and giving some unfound reasons not to explain that.
May God open your minds so you could understand the Scriptures.
@@deprince4lyf what are you talking about?🙄
Thank you daddy freeze for this
Great discussion......not a debate since you both stand on the same/ similar point of view.
Good discussions would like you to have this debate with someone called Bob the builder from speakers Corner in England he will clarify you on the trinity.
I love the fact that you take time to do research and study Jehovah's word yourselves and not like many christians who just believe what every so called pastors tell them. This goes to say many christians are blind and have been misled by false teaching... Let's learn to Study the bible ourselves and consult with those more knowledgeable than us. God bless you...
Upon that they still err...
Did you follow your own assertions and study for yourself to know if these two are right or wrong? they completely missed the mark. They are in such grave error that I fear for their eternal salvation.
Hope this make them have Knowledge that Christ is not God 🙏🙏 🔥👍🏽 ..... Well done DF and Reno ❤
15:00 - 16:30 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
My view in words from through Daddy Freeze's mouth
Jesu is the Yoruba transliteration of Jesus. When towards the end Reno prayed in Yoruba invoking Jesu, the name he had strenuously denied was the name of Jesus, did he not recognize he was destroying his own argument?
Reno scored F9
Parallel
I disagree.
Reno did well with his explanation even though I didnt take everything but he did very well with explanations.
I have come to understand that nobody not even DF or Reno o can actually fully know the truth. But atleast we all believe there is God. And Jesus is the way to him and we should love our neighbors. I think that these things are ok to be Christians. Enough is enough - make everybody believe wetin dem wan believe.
I had to rewatch this video. Hahaaaa... Trying to juxtapose between nija network And abroad network. "...hello you've frozen.... " 😂🤣🤣🤣
Nice discussion great men.
Daddy Freeze can we have a friendly discussion on this topic. I'm a Pastor based in Abuja.
I am following you.....you are a rare gem.
Reno is very intelligent
Hello daddy freeze my pastor will like to debate you on whether Christ is God…
Not three Gods, three persons in one…
Brother try dey use ur brain. Even after all this!
3 persons hmmm... if God is omnipotent...how is this possible
God is only 1...and his holy messenger Jesus christ...now you want to say that Jesus is holy he is God...what about Adam who was the being created and not born from ant one?....will you call him God?
At 10mins left, Reno just said *amin loruko Jesu* in response to DF of *devil is a liar*
Reno unconsciously used the name *Jesu which Yoruba name for Jesus*
So he used the name Jesus 🤣🤣🤣
Whao very smart you there
LOL
Tagging self to watch later
John 1:1-3. Jesus claimed to be the Son of God which affirmed His equality with God (John 10:22-39), Inspiration affirmed that Jesus, “who being in the form of God did not consider it robbery to be equal with God” (Philippians 2:5-7). The word “form” refers to the very essence, nature and image ratherr than just righteous attributes. 👍
This is very good and enlightening. However, (1) I would want Mr Reno to please try to link Philippians 2:5-11 to Isaiah 45:23. Here the divinity of Jesus as God is very unambiguous. In fact like the Rev Father said, the early apostles understood this and actually worshiped Jesus as God. (2) Again concerning the use of Jesus instead of Jeshua, please Mr Reno and Daddy Freeze you may consider that Paul who wrote majority of the NT wrote in Koine Greek and not in Hebrew. And early manuscripts show that Paul in Philippians 2:5-11, used 'Iēsous' (Koine Greek version of Jeshua), instead of JESHUA. What does this tell us. No emphasis was placed on the use of the Hebrew word JESHUA, because the bible tells us in Romans 10:12-13, that “For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved” This also applied to other apostles who wrote in Koine Greek. they all used 'Iēsous' instead of JESHUA. Moreover, there were many other people in the bible who were called JESHUA and their name never invoked any power. Meaning that there is no actual power in the name JESHUA (on its own) but the power is in the person behind the name, in this case CHRIST. So whatever language, provided you are referring to the deity who PAUL called "Iēsous Christos Kyrios” ((Jesus Christ is Lord) God recognizes it. Thanks. I am just an inquisitive layman. You may check out this link for more insight : www.thecrosspensacola.org/new-blog/2020/4/20/should-christians-say-yeshua-instead-of-jesus
These two are not concerned with the truth, they are concerned with sounding intellectual and coming across as having knowledge that supersedes what has already been established and can be verified even from the Old Testament alone without even getting to the New Testament.
For there are three that testify: (1 John 5:7|NIV
It is a debate.
Jesus is God.
John 14 : 5 - 12 will do a blast understand of whom he is.
He is supreme and a spirit.
We all have spirit, flesh and a soul but we are one person.
He can transform imself into any desired creature.
John 1: 8 - 11.
I was actually waiting for something really new! But this is Pointless, hopefully you can bring something worth my time tomorrow.
I can't find any input of the Holy Spirit in your discussion. ....
For me ....If you can't rationalize how God beget a son or how God became God, then don't bother trying to understand the Trinity, it is a Mystery ...
Trinity is a lie
A MUST READ TO AVOID BEING DECEIVED AND TO BE LED AWAY FROM THE REAL TEACHINGS OF CHRIST THAT MATTER -
Kindly open the link below on a browser and read to avoid being led away by the error of the WICKED.
www.thecrosspensacola.org/new-blog/2020/4/20/should-christians-say-yeshua-instead-of-jesus
I quote - "At minimum, these types of issues expose poor hermeneutics, misguided zeal and interests, and an inability to look to the Scriptures as our final authority. But more severely, I fear that these ideas I have sought to dismiss in this article are not for the sake of the gospel, but are rather “foolish controversies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law,” and “are unprofitable and worthless” (Titus 3:9)." - Kent Langham
A man who could dismiss other claims about Christ but fails to explain the Isaiah 9:6 but rather started stammering and giving some unfound reasons not to explain that.
May God open your minds so you could understand the Scriptures.
Please can u guys debate Christian prince, jay smith and David wood
Anyone who knows anything about the Bible and reads it knows that Jesus Christ is Yeshua. Whether in English, Aramaic, or Hebrew. Jesus is God, He accepted worship in scriptures. He made Himself lower (in that he took on flesh and came to the earth) than the Father though He didn't count it robbery to be equal to the Father. So He was and He is God, an aspect of the Father come to thd earth.
Is not enough to know it off hand
Quite enlightening
I enjoyed this debate/conversation
three persons in one God ....not three Gods ... you two are misinterpreting scripture on this one.
Show me the scriptures to prove your points.
@@danladiojito9741 A MUST READ TO AVOID BEING DECEIVED AND TO BE LED AWAY FROM THE REAL TEACHINGS OF CHRIST THAT MATTER -
Kindly open the link below on a browser and read to avoid being led away by the error of the WICKED.
www.thecrosspensacola.org/new-blog/2020/4/20/should-christians-say-yeshua-instead-of-jesus
I quote - "At minimum, these types of issues expose poor hermeneutics, misguided zeal and interests, and an inability to look to the Scriptures as our final authority. But more severely, I fear that these ideas I have sought to dismiss in this article are not for the sake of the gospel, but are rather “foolish controversies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law,” and “are unprofitable and worthless” (Titus 3:9)." - Kent Langham
A man who could dismiss other claims about Christ but fails to explain the Isaiah 9:6 but rather started stammering and giving some unfound reasons not to explain that.
May God open your minds so you could understand the Scriptures.
Most times I don't comments on your channel, but i have to do this time. I will say both of you tried, Jesus- (Jeʹsus)[Latin. form of the Greek. I·e·sousʹ, which corresponds to the Hebrew. Ye·shuʹaʽ or Yehoh·shuʹaʽ is not God Almighty. ) double respect to both of you for clearly explaining the scripture with reference and deep meaning.
#akokoh: what you don't understand is that the name Yeshua means "YHWH IS SALVATION" in the English language, his second name is Immanuel which means "God is with us" but Jesus has no meaning in English. Jesus name in Greek is iesous which means a "Pagan healer" in the Greek mythology and in latin his name is iesus which means an "earth pig"...you can read, make some researches and proof me wrong....Shalom Aleichem
Please analyze John 1:1 in the light of your response
@@Jamie_4real :The Original Greek scriptures translates the end of John 1.1 as ‘the Word as a god’ in order to avoid the identification of Yeshua with the God of the Old Testament, and avoid seeing Yeshua as God incarnate.Christ is not God but an embodiment of the Almighty God. The word TRINITY is not even written in the Bible .
@@rayajao1566 that's not correct
@@Jamie_4real . Explain it to me then please,
He has made us competent as ministers of the new covenant - not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills but the Spirit gives life.2 Cor 3:6.
The disciples didn't know the true position of Jesus Christ until the Spirit of God revealed it to Peter, i.e after Jesus Christ had confronted them with a question about His identity. Peter was praised by Jesus Christ for receiving the truth about His identity from the Spirit of God.
Conversely, the same Peter was used by the spirit of Satan to resist the plan of God as it concerns the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Christ had to rebuke Satan (who spoke through Peter).
Therefore, before you start to discuss or debate issues as sensitive as the authenticity of the translated Bible, the name of Jesus Christ, or the position of Jesus Christ in the God Head, let us ensure that we are led by the Spirit of God.
But uncle reno, this your model of moustache na one in town o 👍🏻😀
Knowing Jesus is not about knowing Him in letters but in Spirit. " The letter killeth but the spirit giveth life"
That verse is called the 'CJV....crooked justification verse.
Debating about this topic is just the waste of time because it does not change the fact that Jesus is God no matter how million times we deny it.
This is really great
Lol... You guys have a lot on your slate. It's leaking. This is how. The idea of Holy Trinity is not just in the few verses you are pointing out here... It litters almost every page of the Bible if you look closely. Let me say that I don't have Greek or Hebrew or Aramaic knowledge anyway. I hope that doesn't make me an idiot and my use of King James Bible doesn't make me an illiterate.
Let's check logical examples comparing the verses below and drawing a logical conclusion from them. Emphases mine and all words in brackets mine:
1. Gen. 1:1 In the beginning GOD created the heavens and the earth (NKJV).
2. Gen. 1:27 So GOD created man in HIS own image (NKJV).
Compare these verses with the following:
3. Gen. 1:26 Then GOD said, "let US make man in OUR image..." (NKJV)
4. John 1:3 "ALL THINGS were made through HIM (JESUS) and without HIM (JESUS) NOTHING WAS MADE (NKJV).
Now the questions:
1. Who created? My answer will me God alone.
2. Who's image does man have? I'll say God's image.
That God Almighty whose image we have is the "US" in Gen. 1:26, and nothing was created without HIM in John 1:3. That God created the begining that was before heavens and earth... But John 1:3 states emphatically that EVEN THE BEGINNING WAS NOT created without JESUS!
Again Revelation said some things quite clear!
Who is the First and Last? Who is the Begining and the Ending? I'll say God alone!
Jesus said in Rev. 22:12 (NKJV) "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last".
But Jesus was a lot more explicit in Revelations 1:8 (NKJV): "I am the Alpha and the Omega, Beginning and the End... who WAS, who IS and who IS TO COME, THE ALMIGHTY"!!!
This no doubt is Jesus! But how does Jesus being the First and the Last mean He's God?
The answer lies in Isaiah 44:6 (NKJV) "Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: I am the First and the Last, AND THERE'S NO GOD BESIDES ME"!
Again in Isaiah 48:12 (NKJV) "Listen to me O Jacob, even Israel whom I called; I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last"!
Hia! You are still doubting if they are the same PERSON?
Revelations described Jesus in chapter verses 13 and 16 "He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood... And He has on his robe and on His thigh a name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS"!!!
There is only one God. He's JESUS CHRIST!
Nice one Reno
Nigerian network will not shame us oooo
Jesu abi Yehusha🤷🏽♂️
DF: the devil is a lier
Reno: lo ru ko Jesu
And you say u don’t use the name Reno how far… no be juju be that🙄🤷🏽♂️
If Jesus is God. Why John 3/16
Jesus is God in the flesh. the Son of God. When He claimed to be the son of God the Jews tried to kill him because THEY understood that by claiming to be the son of God, Jesus made himself equal with God.
If Jesus is not God who is he? An Angel? An Archangel? Who? And if he is not God then he is must be created being. Can another created being really atone for man's sin? All you need to know anout the identity of Jesus is in Hebrews Chapter 1 pay special attention to verse 8. All you need to lnow about the identity of Jesus
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Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. So he is the pathway, the true information about God and he being the life is the same destination (God). So you can see here that if man had not fallen God would have remained only Life, but because man fell, God reduced himself into a pathway and provided true information for man's return to him. All these were demonstrated in Jesus Christ. So Jesus Christ is that same God.
Irrespective of the different translations of his name, his word is not different but one truth. So don't argue about names and drift from his truth. Follow that truth that Christ revealed in his word, that's all that matters.
We know King James was Gay Reno lol you don't need ti be shy to tell us
We are here
More clearer with the comments list jesus said my father my father and Philip ask jesus show us the father and jesus answered have i be with u and u are still asking for the father who have seen me have seen ( HIM) the father. Df & omokori with du respect when was jesus created. God can not lie the law of witness God can not work against his laws. God can not do anything on earth without having a witness, for him to have a witness his word become a person, in the beginning was the word and the word is with God, God started ( jesus, Amen, let their be.) The name that settle everything. Let their be light, let their be sea, through wisdom God creates heaven and earth through him althing were made visible and invisible, jesus is wisdom of God. My point jesus is God
A MUST READ TO AVOID BEING DECEIVED AND TO BE LED AWAY FROM THE REAL TEACHINGS OF CHRIST THAT MATTER -
Kindly open the link below on a browser and read to avoid being led away by the error of the WICKED.
www.thecrosspensacola.org/new-blog/2020/4/20/should-christians-say-yeshua-instead-of-jesus
I quote - "At minimum, these types of issues expose poor hermeneutics, misguided zeal and interests, and an inability to look to the Scriptures as our final authority. But more severely, I fear that these ideas I have sought to dismiss in this article are not for the sake of the gospel, but are rather “foolish controversies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law,” and “are unprofitable and worthless” (Titus 3:9)." - Kent Langham
A man who could dismiss other claims about Christ but fails to explain the Isaiah 9:6 but rather started stammering and giving some unfound reasons not to explain that.
May God open your minds so you could understand the Scriptures.
In Aramaic which was his mother tongue, his name was Eashoa, not Yeshua. The Y is silent research the pronunciation of his Aramaic name.
If you don't believe that Jesus is God, you cannot understand your salvation and have rejected it...Jesus said before Abraham was, I Am.
If Jesus is God and always existed why would he say before abraham was I am . God has no time frame
Around 31.18 DF + Reno begin the argument (more like a strawman actually) about the foundation used for the Trinity by the mainstream Christians/Evangelicals as Matthew 28:19 advanced by DF but dismissed by Reno who offered 1 John 5:7 instead which he says only KJV provides. From an intellectual viewpoint, this is shallow. The KJV is a 1611 document whereas the Trinity issue/debate has been on since late 2nd century / early 3rd century. Tertullian (155-240 AD) the Church Father responded to Sabellius in the early 3rd century 1400 years before the KJV was commissioned!
Reno cannot argue that the Trinity is hinged on 1 John 5:7 which is a non-existent verse in the original bible (but only found in the KJV which was commissioned in the 17th century) but it just so happens that the Church has been teaching the Trinity pretty early and also dealing with heretics like Sabellius (Modalism) and Arius (Arianism). It was mostly for the latter heretic that the first major council at Nicea in 325 was convened by the first Christian Emperor, Constantine.
Again, Why just have a debate/discussion with those with whom you agree...Reno, DSA? Expand it a bit I can assure you of the in-depth scholarship available on any area of Christian issue that you may want to discuss.
A Zoom meeting will be okay. I believe you guys are missing some things on this topic
The 1st 3 verses of the Bible (Genesis 1-3) point to the trinity. v1 God the Father, v2 God the spirit v3 God the spoken Word i.e. Jesus. Why is Jesus worshipped if he is not God?
They both agree Jesus is not God, same as the Quran
Jesus is a creator in the Quran and Quran says only Allah can create. This means Jesus is God
@@yomiadelaja8329 quote where you read that in the Qur’an
@@yomiadelaja8329 lies
@@UsmanUsman-cb3db surah 5:110
@@yomiadelaja8329Quran 5.110. Then will Allah say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel and behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but evident magic.'
That I went to Jerusalem, there and there is completely baseless and does not convey any single meaning. Did u see 'Yeshua' there? Or Paul, Peter and the rest? Or did u meet a littered Jerusalem?
Reno was spot on.Though as a jew I disagreed completely that Yeshua/Jeez is the way to God.The ONLY TESTAMENT mistakenly called the Old Testament by the fabricators of the Greek testament a.k.a Christianity CLEARLY showed that God is One and the way to Salvation is through the Torah or 7 category of Laws (Noahide laws)for the gentiles.
Very interesting discussion.
Philippians 2:10 - so God will bow to Jesus? If Jesus is not God - all version of Bible reference Jesus as God again.
I like what Reno said, that he do not give his opinion. He just says what the bible says, that's perfect. That's me.
Ok, that said, Freeze said what Acts 7:55 said about Stephen.
Stephen NEVER said that he saw Christ standing on the right hand SIDE of God.
SIDE never appeared in the bible in addition to RIGHT HAND place of Christ in God.
Yeshua is Yahweh's right hand.
Christ said it right here on earth that he sits on the RIGHT HAND of the Father. Not once had it been said that Christ sits or stands at GODs RIGHT HAND SIDE.
I dont talk about their equality. All the revelation I got from my own few personal study & listening to people wey sabi pass me like U two(Freeze & Reno), is that Christ is a part of God not a 2nd God.
Christ on earth was a REVELATION of the unseen God.
Christ in heaven is Gods right hand of power.
Acts 7:54-60
New International Version
The Stoning of Stephen
54 When the members of the Sanhedrin heard this, they were furious and gnashed their teeth at him. 55 But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56 “Look,” he said, “I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”
I have attached the Bible verse correct it if it is wrong
@@ifeanyifelix1108
I dont even understand U.
Maybe U go back & re-read my comment again. It's clear U read it in a rush.
Did the word "SIDE" appear in Ur copied verses?
RIGHT HAND & RIGHT HAND SIDE are not thesame o!
Bible never said RIGHT HAND SIDE anywhere.
Christ is the RIGHT HAND OF GOD.
Simple & certain.
You literally started by saying CHRIST-ianity.
May God open your eyes
I know this is a old post : In most the Bible versions - Revelation 12:13 reference Jesus is God.
The same person that said Yeshua is the right name cos it’s greek and said not to use Hebrew name is the same person that said Amin loruko “Jesu” … Why using Yoruba name and not Hebrews… Abi Jesu na Greek name?? The question is, Does God really care about which of the good Names we call His begotten son? I know I’ve prayed in the name of Jesus and he answered me… why should I worry soo much about Greek, English or Yoruba name? Just thinking ni sha… you too think about it!!!
DF and Reno. Thank you. To make this discussion really worth the while and enlightening, why don't you guys actually have a discussion or debate with someone or people diametrically opposed to your position. I suggest someone like @Korede Olawoyin. There are more folks from that side by the way. See a challenge here. ua-cam.com/video/grsfqYkYmy0/v-deo.html
Tell them Freeze. They all worship Yeshua and forget the Almighty God. Make una no drive God jealous o. God is still the father. Some sef say gospel singers wey no de add Jesus to their songs are not real 🤦🏻♀️.
An interesting conversation, but I would still say “rather ambitious” the idea of christianity or a truly single faith is universality of the message and not so to speak the culture, which from another perspective does not demonstrate the oneness and reality of God. Hence if I need to learn coin Greek or speak Aramaic to truly understand the Bible, then clearly it defeats the idea of the eternal nature of God, does it not?
2 minutes ago
That's the problem you don't understand what he's saying, the translated bible is not fully correct, when you translate from one language to another you can't never get 100% translation. But 99.9 percent of Christians are too lazy to learn Aramaic or Hebrew to read the bible in it's original version
I feel enlightened 🔥🔥🔥
1. DF said the name Christ came from the Greek word “Kristos”, meaning messiah. That is TRUE. Christ is anglicized rendition of the Greek word “Kristos”.
It is also TRUE that followers of Greek Kristos were called Christians, again in anglicized rendition.
But just as today’s xtians have to identify which xtianity they belong to; Pentecostal xtian (Adeboye/Oyedepo/Oyakhilome pikin) or Anglican or Catholic xtian, etc so did the followers of the different Greek Kristos identified themselves with the Kristo they were following.
Worshippers of Ptolemy’s Serapis in Alexandria, Egypt, and other places, were called Christians. And their leaders had the title of Episcopus/Episcopos in Greek or Overseer/Bishop in English. Look up history.
And these were from about 367 BCE, 4 Centuries before Jesus was said to have existed. So xtianity did not start with Jesus, in reality Jesus was an invention of Rome to continue the worship of their Greco-Roman gods, Kristos. But Kontinu.
2. Which god do you worship and does it save you?
But let’s use just the bible itself to make clearer what the Rabbis and xtians are hiding, each for a separate reason. Let’s leave other books of knowledge
The Most High, El Elyon in Hebrew, the creator of the heavens and the earth, has sons called the Sons of God.
In “Let us make Man in our own image”, El Elyon was addressing his sons, the “Sons of God” The Elohim, in Hebrew “The Council of Gods”
In the book of Job, the xtian bible tells you that the Sons of God, i.e the Sons of El Elyon gather to worship.
Melchizedek was not Jew, was not a priest of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He was a priest of the Most High, El Elyon.
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is YAHWEH.
In Deuteronomy 32v 8 - 9, the Hebrew bible states; “8 When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance, when he divided all mankind,
he set up boundaries for the peoples according to the number of the sons of Israel”. Was the world split according to the number of the sons of Jacob? No.
Here the Jews want to make their god, Yahweh, the Most High in order to get the whole world to worship their god, Yahweh.
And verse 9 says “For the Lord’s portion is his people, Jacob his allotted inheritance”
The Dead Sea scrolls brought to light this ploy and it states that the original reading of verse 8 is “When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance, when he divided all mankind, he set up boundaries for the peoples according to the Sons of God” not the sons of Israel.
Verse 9 correctly rendered is “For the Lord’s portion (Israel's god, Yahweh) is his people, Jacob his allotted inheritance”
How can Jacob be the inheritance of the God that created the heavens and the earth? You inherit something from somebody and something you didn’t own.
The Jews used their bible to get the whole world to worship Yahweh, their god and Greco-Roman powers used their powers to insert their own god Zeus or Jesus in as another co-equal god and called it trinity. Some 600 years later, the sons of Arabia added another their own and today it also has billions of followers.
Is Man here on earth to worship? No. If so, then our creator, the Most High would have established that amongst us the way He did for his sons, the Sons of God. Any record of Adam and Eve worshipping in the garden of Eden?
We are here as caretakers of the earth and to recognize Him in our daily activities. All His creations, on earth, are here to support you - the Sun, the Moon, the Waters, Flora and Fauna are at Man’s disposal to fulfill his job of caretaker. Command them. Your bible said Joshua commanded the Sun and it obeyed. Not worship the Sun or any other creation.
But if you want to exhaust your life in Worship, who are you worshipping? The god who inherited your place or the god of other people?
While the Most High div’ed up the sons of Man according to the Sons of God, you as a son of man is still His creation and whom He gave dominion over the earth and all His creations in it.
While his sons have authority over territories, sons of Man still have their freewill to pursue their choices and where there is a conflict of interest between son of Man and son of God, the son of Man can petition the Most High.
The Most High did not exonerate Adam because a “son of God” led him to disobey, Adam had his freewill to exercise and could not claim the serpent forced him.
Yes, the “Prince of your land”, the principality of your land can play games on you, even suffer you and all that, your WILL, Determination and Works determine where you end up, not faith in anything. Faith is willingly relinquishing your power, your dominion to the whims of another being. Melchizedek did not serve any son of God. He served the Most High. You’re here to serve the purpose of the Most High
3. Jesus, “The Way” to God? Which God? The god of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob or Greco-Roman Pantheon or is Jesus now the priest leading you to the gods of your land? Have you noticed that your so-called powerful pastors have a loop with the fallen altars of your land. The church is their conduit now. From "the ancestors said...", it is now "the spirit of the lord told me...." Stay away.
4. Finally, Africa, Nigeria can we leave religion and focus on building our communities and societies.
Religion is man-made and made to control others for some purpose. The conquerors and destroyers used it, xtian Europe and muslim Arab, to rob and rape our lands and forefathers. The people that brought us religion practice the most abominable things.
Developed societies are not religious. Europe has even dropped its religion while Africa, led by tithe-seeking-millionaires (pastors) in Nigeria have adopted religion to dumb down the people and rob them of their resources and future.
It is us, this generation and the generations of our children that will suffer our absence from science and technology to still remain slaves to those who have enslaved us and our lands for millennia. We are own own saviours.
In the meantime, note that Jesus never existed. He was created by man. It is Myth made history.
Chai.....too long.....if you know this much you should open ya own channel.
@@stanlook6374 That's quite a comment Stanlo. But I won't because that's what the dark forces that have enthroned themselves over Africa and her children want.
They want us to be slaves for the rest of the nations and since physical slavery has been abolished, they want us to expend all our energies in debates about religion while others seek knowledge advance and even come to colonize our talents and resources.
The Most High blessed Africa with golden resources but in all of Africa, it is the children of the stranger that control our wealth while our daily engagement is religion.
Stanlo read/study the bible by yourself, verse to verse from first verse of Genesis to the last verse of Revelation. That's beside the selective verses your pastors picks every Sunday to make you believe what he wants. You'd see the some truths and the manipulations yourself. I did and moved on to build what I have built.
I have workers to pay and not in Naira so I have gone beyond the ploy of the "Savages from the Deep". Yes that's what I call them.
They took my people, our people, through the brutal slavery in Europe and America and till today, they are not done, causing chaos and hatred among us to keep us down, to make us the foot mat of the world.
The Church is the poultry farm of the so-called "Ancestors" who are not our fathers and mothers gone but mortal ancients-of-days bent on feeding off of our blood and tears.
The gods of Europe, Asia and other places are benevolent to them but the gods of Africa are darkness personified. Wish you well my brother.
A simple analogy of wat Jesus meant by through him u will get to God...a case of a gate man and the house owner. To see d owner of the house, u must go tru the gate man (servant). Christ is/was nothing but a servant of God,he did only wat he was told to do.indeed, believing in his massage will lead u to God
Your claims about divinity of Jesus Christ is not new. Ahmed Deedat, zakir Naik, adnan Rashid and other Agnostics allude to this heresy and it has been debunked several times over. So tell us something we don’t know LOL
That's why we Ethiopia orthodox Christians have unique ( original Christianity) non of this. Confusion
1 Corinthians 15:24-28
New International Version
24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom(A) to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.(B) 25 For he must reign(C) until he has put all his enemies under his feet.(D) 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death.(E) 27 For he “has put everything under his feet.”[a](F) Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.(G) 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him,(H) so that God may be all in all.(I)
Jesus is not almighty God. Jesus is son of God
Where were the first people to get hold of the bible 2000?
In whose language was the bible written first?
How did the bible got to English word and how do English people write in the past
Were people on earth before the birth of jesus? who were they?
Who was Joseph in the bible how many Joseph do they wrote in the bible?
When was the first bible printed.
The name jesus is English or Greek there was no J as English before, not even to talk of Joshua but since we worship English word, their son's name is jesus. Is there any way we can be recognized as the Most High servants without passing through jesus?