Moto Guzzi V7 | Removing the Bevel Box Assembly / Refitting Rear Wheel
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- A while back I made a video showing how to remove the rear wheel from a Moto Guzzi V7 & that video is still correct. In this video I show an alternate way & also the only way if you are wanting to fit a wider rear tyre to your Moto Guzzi V7. Due to the narrow gap between the cushdrive spindles and the swingarm, it is a very tight fit even with a standard sized rear tire so to make it easier, we have to remove the transmission / bevel box assembly. This also allows you to be able to grease the splines on the drive shaft.
The tyre I have fitted now is a Pirelli Phantom Sportcomp with a 150 profile. I have been incredibly happy with this choice, especially compared to the Pirelli Sport Demons and can't wait to put the bike through its paces on a racetrack / trackday.
I hope you find this instructional guide to fitting / removing the rear wheel & transmission box assembly on your Moto Guzzi. This method is pretty much universal throughout the Moto Guzzi range other than the CARC motorcycles.
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Top tip : clean the garage so you have room to work. I'm also gonna start a Kickstarter campaign for a rubber mallet 🤣.
Good vid 👍
Hahaha once I get my van I'll be doing some tip runs for sure 😂
I have a rubber mallet, it's just buried in the rubbish 🤣
Great job and good of you to make this video for fellow v7 owners. Thank you
Cheers Michael 🙂 in the comments are some tips from others about how to do it too.
@@HippoDrones One tip I have from my own experience doing this yesterday is this: If you're just changing tires same size without removing the drive, when you go to put the wheel back onto the drive the rubber cushions keep popping off, so slide the axle in all the way without the brake caliper and spacer, and use the axle to guide the wheel back on to the drive and that helps keep the rubber bits from falling out. Once the wheel's on the drive, take the axle out, put the spacer and brake caliper in (line them up), then put the axle back in. Then it's less fiddly.
@@m27931 Bless your soul lol. This trick just helped me big time
I love the garage 🤷🏻♂️
Hahaha, am hoping by summer that it will be tidier and have a lot more room, just waiting on a van so I can do some decent tip runs! :D
Enjoyed this Peter, I liked how you described and approached the challenges "live" so to speak. I was able to relate to a fair bit of it, even though you're running shaft drive and me a chain. Similar problems though, and thought processes required to think a way through it. My manual said removed the ABS connector before removing the rear wheel - this resulted in problems (had to have ABS re-set) and I discovered it wasn't necessary - but getting the brake mounting on and off is very similar to the V7 (sort of upside down version). It's one of those "need 3 hands" jobs, haha!
I did find a way to make the whole thing easier - I got a plank the right thickness and put it under the rear wheel so that it was just about supporting it. This meant less effort to hold everything in place whilst re-assembling :)
Good work mate, was so pleased not to see a river of oil as a feature ;-) the "live" flavour if the video made that a worrying few moments!
All the best mate, take care.
Cheers David, I am sure I'd be able to do a more polished video if I tidied the garage and tools and read a manual as a lot of folk have suggested 🤪 ....but where is the fun in that??? 😁
I really enjoy making this sort of video, and am sure most people see that I am not a mechanic and can enjoy the trials and tribulations 🤣
A plank of wood would def have helped keep it levelledand easier to align 🙂 ty for the tip 🙂
Ahh, I hate it when following the instructions leads to more work, that must have been a little frustrating, especially when you discovered you didn't need to disconnect it after all!
I am very glad that there was no oil spillages 🤪
Cheers David 🙂
These are the type of jobs that make us wish we had real friends 😂👍
Hahaha, it is a bit of a faff... but better than oiling and adjusting a chain every five minutes! :D
@@HippoDrones Definitely mate 👍
@@HalfdeadRider 🙂
Congratulations mate. You managed to do a video about working on a bike. I wish I could because I spend 90% of my life working on bikes. That seemed like a proper pain in the arse!
When you do it for a living, you don't have time to faff with cameras. Ty bud... trackday vid next week with mostly just bike audio! 😉
Great video. My only suggestions would be to put some newspaper under where you're working and maybe a clean tray to catch anything that drops. Also, I did cringe when you were hitting the bolts with your hammer. I learned the hard way how easy it is to bugger up threads!
Thanks Steve, and again, thanks for the tips and tricks... Hahaha... yeah, lesson learned... I'll not be using a hammer again like that 🤣👍
@@HippoDrones Incidentally, have you changed the differential oil seal on the V7? I've a friend with one and it's leaking. Watching your videos, getting the diff off doesn't look too difficult. Just not sure what's involved to replace the seals.
@@stevedel7 no mate, that isn't a job I have attempted yet
Hats off to you on that one!
Haha, cheers mate... I been getting some stick for it on some of the Moto Guzzi groups :D
@@HippoDrones its all a bit of fun in my eyes. Everyone has an opinion, most have never turned a spanner!
@@TheWurks Yup, my thoughts too, and if folk can educate me on how to do things better, I am happy to learn from their experience :-)
Nice mechanics skills !!!👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
Thank you, am sure many people could do it more professionally, but I like working out how to do things, even if I do them wrong sometimes! :-)
@@HippoDrones it happens to me also ,,, and fuck up almost always ,,,,😣😣😣
A better option is to leave the nuts on the ends of the studs with a few threads engaged, rather than tap the threads directly.
#TopTip ta mate :-)
Beautiful good video many thanks
Am glad it was helpful 🙂
@@HippoDrones it was helpful like alot thank you again keep it up, best wishes
@@momoansari1195 🙂
Good job
Thank you :-)
Well done, good job. I must admit I was waiting for an important bearing, or something, to drop out onto that dirty floor.😲
Hahaha, me too, was proper puckering my cheeks when I was removing the bevel box! :D
I have a similar struggle with my 750 Monza after some berk (me!) ordered too wide a back tyre. Fully deflating the tyre allowed me to squeeze it past the Cush-Drive splines. You may find it helpful to ‘stick’ the Cush-Drive rubbers in place with some silicone rubber sealant.
After the shop I paid to change my tyres damaged the Kineo rim, I didn't want to risk it now the rim is repaired, but that is how I have done it previously
Great video. Thank you very much.
Thank you :-)
Please invest in a rubber mallet. A stool would be helpful too. In a seated position, you can use your foot under the tire to get it at the right height and then push it on with your hands. It will save you medical bills to repair you back as you age.
Important thing is the final product looks good. Like to see a vid of your assessment of the change with regard to comfort and handling. Changing the weight of the wheel changes the forces put to the suspension and of course changing the width may change the ability to change direction. Be interesting to know if those things got better, worse, or were basically unnoticeable.
I do have one, just too messy... I have stools too, but they have tools on them 🤣 #TopTips matey, ty 🏍
I've already reviewed the tyres on the bike last summer, I was putting the wheel back on because the shop I paid to change the tyres before had damaged my Kineo rim doing so
Thanks a lot for the clip,. I really wanted to know if a 150 would fit my Guzzi. Keep it up
No probs mate, and it does, but it is a PITA 😁
I was going to suggest a couple of things I'd have done differently but they've been said in other comments, so I'll just say great video and hopefully we might get to meet up this year. 👍👍
CHEERS ROB, AND YES MATE, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME, HAD HOPED TO GET YOUR WAY LAST YEAR, BUT WELL 2020 IS DEAD TO ME! :D
oops, soz for caps
I don't feel too bad about the state of my garage now😀
See, it's intended to make people feel better about their mess! 🤪
That was painful to watch. I was waiting for the pinion and its bearings to be ejected by the cardan shaft and finally falling out. You were lucky - or there is something wrong with the fit of the pinion shaft into the cardan. Removing the pinion from the final drive like that disturbs the meshing of it and the crown wheel. As you didn't disturb the gaskets and suchlike you should have got away without a very lengthy and fiddly process to align them again - if you do disturb the alignment and you just reassemble, you will be looking for another drive box in short order.
For future reference: as you suggested, install the wheel with the tyre flat if you have fitted an oversize one. Lubricate the cush rubbers and/or splines that go into them with a rubber compatible grease (silicone grease) and you can then partially fit the wheel and use the spindle (without spacer) to align the wheel with the final drive and rotate it until the splines fit in between the rubbers. You can then push (pulling might work better) it fully home and it will stay there while you remove the spindle and fit the spacer before final assembly and inflation.
One final thing. If you do take the drive off, it is heavy and awkward to hold. Be _very_ careful as you move it about - if it falls out of your hands, it will land on the suspension mount and snap it off, along with a lump of the casing. Don't ask me how I know or I will begin crying again.
Thanks for the tips and knowledge 👍
Ahh, that sounds like a very frustrating and expensive mistake.... nice to know even the experts make mistakes though, hopefully we all learn from them 🙂
Thanks for that. have just taken my back wheel off my nevada, what a pain. Will put the new tyre on Tomorrow and wondering how will I manage to get it back together. I was thinking of taking the cush drive off but was a bit worried. Now I will sleep happy, cheers.
It is really easy to do, just a pain in the neck to need to. I had to do it as my rear tyre is oversize, but you may not need to if your new tyre is standard sizing! :-)
Have you tried deflating the tyre? It should then push past the Cush drive flanges.
Am sure you'll get to the point where I mention that soon mate! ;-)
@@HippoDrones - I did. Just after writing that comment!
@@timhicks2154 🤣
Nice one buddy..
Cheers Billy, hope you well mate :-)
@@HippoDrones yeah not too bad, I was thinking before you re-wrap your ‘visor’ you should get some cutting tape so you’d get some really clean cuts when/if you overlay the wrap layers..
@@billybigbones450 that is a good plan. Currently it is all single layer, but that could make getting it all central and equal both sides easier 🙂
Thanks for that, just doing this myself and wondered what could fall out, great video, Moto Guzzi didn't make it easy did they.
Ahh, hope it went well. Yeah... a bit of a fiddle... but better than chain maintenance every time it rains 😁
@@HippoDrones It did thanks, just trying to strip the final drive now 👍
@@biker_dale ahh, a step further than I needed to go, good luck Dale 🙂
Why so many dislikes? :/ You got it done anyway, I do think the air out option sounds easier....also those wheels are absolutely beautiful :D More close up shots needed :D I also love the sneaky I'm lovin it sticker under the tyre at 17 odd mins :D And the Vader print is also insanely cool :D Castles!!! I remember travelling :'(
Hahaha, it all adds to the metric :D but I think some of the old and bold Guzzi owners don't like things being done unless it is by the book with a micrometre! :D
The reason I didn't do the air out thing was because I'd just got the wheel back from being repaired after the shop that fitted the tyres damaged the rim, so I was being a bit cautious :-)
I did have some pics on my Instagram, but had a clear out of pics that hadn't gotten seen much. May re add them now am a bit better at the tagging :-)
The fact the bikes are still there means I can rule out a garage burglary. 🤔
I'm used to seeing you plan your works and not just going freestyle on it! I'm.glad it worked out so well mate. That shaft drive is probably just a splash of oil rather than full of oil. Good work and well done on doing it in winter time! 👏👏
I am a messy person :D I am generally happier in some kind of mess! :D
I learnt a lot from this, and the folks on the Moto Guzzi groups and forums have all given me some great feedback for how to do it better next time and things I missed :-)
@@HippoDrones have you order a rubber mallet yet? 😃
@@dynamotightstar3472 :D I don't need to, I have one, it is in the garage somewhere! :D
@@HippoDrones 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂 you might find the lost city of Atlantis too!
@@dynamotightstar3472 :D
According to my V7III manual ,the bevel pinion and bearing assembly should stay with the bevel box housing on removal and not stay on the end of the shaft.
The pinion assembly should slide off the shaft splines.
Yup, it should! 🙂
Can leak if you let the studded part drop down. But I think there’s an oil-seal on the input bearing if I remember right.
I think it would be more of an issue if it was at the right level, but needs topping up I think
@@HippoDrones - they only take 180 cc’s I think. Check via the rear level plug with the bike on the centre-stand. Top up until oil flows out of the Level hole.
@@timhicks2154 will give it a check before I get it MoT'd 🙂
85w/140 is what I use
@@timhicks2154 ta, will see what the manual says but imagine it'll be the same
Hope it handles OK. My Monza is more reluctant to get right down in corners with an oversized rear tyre.
It handles great, is not a new tyre, only removed the wheel to get it repaired
@@HippoDrones - great to hear it handles so well. 👍
@@timhicks2154 Aye, I had it fitted back in the summer originally, the shop who damaged it and repaired it said they were happy to wait till winter to fix it if I was to save me losing the summer riding with it! :-)
Hello! I really liked your video. I have a question for you, is it possible to service MG without having a dealer, it's just that these are so unique and distinctive bikes that I just don't see an alternative to them? For more than a hundred years, bikes have been produced at the same factory, almost manually, who can "boast" about it now. Thanks!
Most of the Moto Guzzi bikes are very home service friendly. Even checking the valves on them is a simple job made easier by the heads poking out the sides of the bike.
@@HippoDrones Thank you for the comment, but what about the software and error reset?
@@tgs8459 you'll not be able to do that on a modern Moto Guzzi, you need a special computer system for that I think
How the hell do you adjust your drive chain slack on that weird looking swingarm?? Haha sweet spannering vid Pete I've never seen inside a shaft drive like that before. Sounded like you were close to popping a foofoo valve when you were putting the wheel back on, fair enough I would have too 😁👌
Hahaha, it is a PITA to get the chain adjusted! 🤣
Thanks Josh, is my first time getting shafted too 😂 I was mate, this way was so much easier than the way I did it previously, just a lot of disassembly required! 🙈🙉🙊
Dude, all in jest...That garage! Should I save up monies to fly over the pond and help you with the clean up? hahaha.... NO! Not the hammer, ZOINKS! Are those your Navy cover-alls? Good use of available resources... Also, I watched a 18 min ad for a welder, well I let it play while I did a little diy work in garage. I hope they give you the $$$ for that!
Hahaha... it is even worse now... have had to put one bike in my living room as ran out of space in the garage with all the mess! 😀
I will clear it up, no need to remind me every 6 months! 😀 hahaha
Ahh dude, the adverts aren't there for folk like you, skip them mate
(and yup, RN overalls) 😉
This should be called, How not to do this. If you are going to use a hammer, you should put the bolts on so you don't damage the threads. And if you are going to pry off the drive gear assembly, you should wrap whatever you are using in duct tape so you don't damage the mating surface and have leaks.
Ta for the input
Cracking looking bike when its finished bud.. whats your plans for brake light? Maybe indicators off that would work.. BTW if youve room to move, who cares about the state of your garage 😂😂. I'm quickly realising I need a light of some sort for my camera, my workshop vids are way too dark and quality in return is pants. Yours are spot on. Nice tutorial 👍
Cheers mate, the bike has been finished several times now :D but is a custom bike ever finished??? :D
The brake light and numberplate are side mounted on the old pillion peg mount, so fitting indicators either side of that could cause some confusion lol :D I may have a mix up as I want to redo the seat unit, which may give room to put lights on the subframe frame hoop, which could look nicer.
As a light, I used a powerbank which has a built in diffused light on it, really handy when grubbing about in the garage, and helps with the camera work, not mega expensive either and handy when camping too.
Thanks mate, appreciate the compliment and feedback :-)
Interesting and useful vid.
But for gawds sake matey, get yourself a dead hit mallet. It’s worth it just to avoid damage.
As you can see, my garage is quite messy, I actually have a few soft tipped mallets, but couldn't find them for the video.
Thankfully it isn't a task I have had to carry out before and one I'll not need to do often in the future :-)
Happy that well for you. When you turned the shaft and repositioned the splines I did think oh oh. Spline allignment on marine outboards can be a real pain to realign with the drive head. Was it marked so you could align or didn't it matter? Enjoy all of your video I've watched btw.
Thanks Mr R :-)
Hahaha, after I turned it I did have a sense of woe as I thought it might be a pain to realign, but it all slipped back together really easily :-)
Ahh, thank you, very kind of you to say Rooster! :-)
What's the make of the stand your using
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Maybe see you at Mallory in 2021?
Maybe 🙂
Are you sponsored by Ronald, or was that a statement on how you feel about working on the bike?
It is from my McDonald's bike, the V85 🤣
Found a nice ‘12 V7, any advice? What to look for?
Generally they are very reliable. The only things I'd be looking for providing it doesn't make any odd noises and rides straight, is oil seeping from the bevel box and also how well the clutch works when the engine is hot
@@HippoDrones any way to PM you? Get your thoughts.
@@kev403 sure thing, there are links to my Twitter, Facebook and Instagram in the description below and on my channel home page 🙂
@@HippoDrones cheers will do
@@kev403 :-)
couldn't you just remove the air pressure from the tyre to push it in?
Yup, but that is how the shop did it when they fitted the tyres originally and they scratched up my Kineo rims, this was why the wheel was off this time, so they could repair it. Didn't want to risk it. Had the tyre been a standard 130, it just about fits, but the 150 is just too big :-)
@@HippoDrones fair enough
@@UncleLongbeard :-)
Sort that workshop out 😂😂
Haha, my toybox, my mess 🤣
Make a video replacing the cylinder gasket.
Hi Donnie, I'm hoping to not need to do that, as that means I'll have possibly poked a hole in one of my pistons on a trackday! :D But if I ever have to, I shall try to record a video of it! :-)
Do you every grease your drive shaft and how? And is it normal to have rust inside the final drive where the Cush rubber seat? Noticed you have some on yours and I do on mine as well.
Hi, it is a good idea to grease the drive shaft as it can seize. Mine came apart wrong and the bearings should have stayed with the bevel box exposing the shaft. I don't know about normal, but any bare metal can rust if exposed to moisture/salt. I don't recall mine being very rusty, but it may have been.
What make is your lift stand please
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@@HippoDrones thanks fella 👍
@@Oilyhands749 no probs David 🙂
That’s actually not how it’s meant to come apart! The gear should stay in the bevel box and come off with the whole bevel-box assembly, as a unit
Ahh interesting, this way seemed easier :D and nothing caught fire or exploded! :D
@@HippoDrones - the spacer plate often sticks. I think a liquid gasket is put on by the factory. It can be reluctant to come off
@@timhicks2154 ahh, am glad I didn't need to replace that then
Shoe Buddy! I am not allowed to have a hammer around any mechanical project. After breaking everything as a kid my dad got me a rubber mallet. I still have & use it along with others😂. Man i was nervous for you, doing something new always works my nerves and leads to an empty beer cooler. Good job though and didn’t even spill the oil out the hub. Did i see Darth Vader in the fender well?
:D hahaha, I possibly shouldn't be allowed hammers or sharp implements! :D I thought it best to leave the beer till after as I was a bit worried about it all going wrong :D
Cheers mate, when it is clean it really sparkles as it all metal flake metallic :-)
@@HippoDrones 😆 hope yall get some good weather and the “all clear” so you can get out on it soon.
@@BigDaveTALKS Hopefully next month will see some freedom :-)
@@HippoDrones I sure hope lockdown doesn’t last much longer for you and everyone else.
@@BigDaveTALKS Our Prime Minister has laid down a plan to loosening it, starting with getting the kids back to school next month, so it is looking good so far :-)
Hi, What stand are you using there please?
Hi Chris, it was this one, although I think I got mine from Europe rather than the USA :-)
www.mgcycle.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=&products_id=4932
@@HippoDrones great, thanks mate 👍 👌
@@Ripper_CQ No probs, it is a great bit of kit, really easy to use too :-)
You just need a torque wrench and a skip. 😉
Good effort mate.
Hahaha, I def need a skip, that is for sure! Cheers Mark 😁
Make a Video cleaning up your Garage. 😂
lol
I gonna put 140 nobby on my v7
You gonna take it trail riding?
@@HippoDrones yes. Now that I know the 140 will fit
The low seat height will help on the trails, I'd possibly look at a slimmer tyre though for trail riding if you can find one though, as it'll handle rutts better maybe! :-)
I wanted so badly to see the drive coming off that I endured your abuse of the machine and miss use of tools! It wasn't easy. And clean up your work area , have you noshame?
No shame whatsoever, my garage, my mess, no one elses concern...
That's seems like a whole lot of work, just to fit the rear wheel. Leave it to the Italians.
Aye, but I never have to adjust or clean or lube a chain, so once every 5000 miles isn't so bad :D
Quand on voit l'état de son atelier on comprend sa façon de travailler et pourquoi il utilise un marteau en métal. Au secours! 😳
Merci pour la vue et le commentaire, tout aide mes fantastiques enseignements à être vus par les autres ! :-D
I've never seen a shaft drive taken apart before! I think I have the exact same lift stand for my motocross bike! A small 2x4 works well when you can't find the rubber mallet. Overall that didn't seem like to bad of a job, probably would have cost a couple hundred at the bike shop to have it done. A motocross number board 🤔 Gotta see that!
It apparently came apart differently from how it should have done, which I am glad for as the way it should have separated may have had it all end up on the floor! :D
The stand is cool, it basically acts as a removable centre stand and pivots on the centre stand mounts to get the rear wheel up. So glad I found it, is really handy.
Check my Instagram for a sneak peak at the number board setup on the V85 :-)