I love the format of this show. We've got experts, really the best of the best, giving all the information, and the host Tony playing the role of the audience, asking questions, being snarky and skeptical at times, its just a really great formula and a fascinating series.
TT rocks! I’m addicted to this show. The archeologists, geo phys guys, experts on pottery, etc. are top notch. Even if the digs don’t deliver any results the archeological process is always fascinating to me.
they have just restarted time team with some familiar faces and new ones :) think there has only been one episode so far but worth looking up. Been watching time team since I was a kid so really glad it is back
Yes! I had never heard of it prior to the pandemic. I’m glad I did! We are literally watching old hippies dig in the dirt for a hour each episode, but it never fails to fascinate me!
The New ones done w patron donation are just as good as always. Missing some of those that have passed and all have aged just like me. but still a great exploration. Easy way to waste an hour of your life. You will learn something even if you don't intend to.
One wouldn't necessarily require to reach the shore to trade, the ship in question could lay anchor at safe depth whilst a smaller local raft or barge could be used to ferry items from the shore and to the ship.
Another amazing & enjoying video about archeologists activities for finding historical provinces ...strange discovered...circulation houses, coins and other particles from bronzed age ...enjoying video
love the banter and gentle professional ribbing. " the not so round , roundhouse " " it may just be the least convincing pottery reconstruction ever but...." These comments keep me coming back. and keeps us all honest.
So happy to run across a TT I haven’t seen before! Thanks! Theory: the ‘harbor’ silted up too much for the ships to come in anymore (possibly too silted even for boats from a ship anchored out in deeper water), thus stopping the trade. Yes, I’m an armchair archeologist. Lol! It’s getting to where I can say the time period of most of the pottery found.
Armchair archaeologist, love it. That is me through and through. I'm forever watching these going, "That shape on the geophys look kinda like something." or they'll pick up a piece of pottery or a coin or something "Oh that looks a such and such." One day I'd like to actually study archeaology but until that day, Armchair archaeologist it is 😂
Ref 'rubbish' in the middle of the wall, back in the 00'ties me and a colluege worked on the coast of Norway and all hotels was full, so we had to stay at a farm with an old woman, she, (probably not she personally) had moved an old house to make food, she claimed it was built like it for thousands of years, it was basically an inner wall and outer wall, filled with sand in-between, and the 'funny point' was, she told us they built it wrong the first time, it was impossible to be in the house because it was sand everywhere, and the reason was, the roof they built was covering also the outer wall, what they did was, shortening the roof, only covering the inner wall, letting rain water fall into the sand, in-between inner and outer walls, she claimed the house was perfect, and it looked really good, but is do not know
I'm always amazed at how they can date the pottery. How is this possible? Is there a Time Team episode where they explain this? I'd love to see a show dedicated to explaining this.
i don't know about trading port, but wreckers comes to mind, sinking ships and local folk stripping beached sinking ships. Would explain why so much varied pottery comes from.
I love watching this program but I want desperately to know what happens to these digs when this team has finished. Do they cover them back in ? Do more archeologist just continue the digs ? Please some one answer me because they are incredible finds that need to be protected . Thanks
The trenches are backfilled and the site reinstated to its previous condition, as far as possible. Then the post-excavation work begins of analysing the finds and collating the information/data recovered to begin putting the report together. The post-ex work is undertaken by Wessex Archaeology and many of the site reports can be found on their website. Sometimes other archaeology groups will continue working on a particular site, but in most cases no further work has taken place.
@@leannemayor5755 It is a balancing act between wanting to satisfy our intellectual curiosity about a site right now and also knowing that if we wait a few years we will understand it even better due to advances in archaeological science and understanding.
@@georgedorn1022 of corse with updated carbon dating ,computers have made identifying things so much easier. I have always loved finding history secrets. To be an archeologist would be fascinating . I am grateful for these kind of shows. Now I am forced retirement ,these even the very old ones help me fill in the time and learn a little something . Thanks again from Sydney Australia 🇦🇺
I'm disabled and pain keeps me awake most nights so time team is a good distraction for me. There are more channels that show time team videos. "time team official", "time team classic", "history hits", etc. They feed my quest for archaeological info and help keep my imagination from going stagnant. Blessings, Dot
They also have him saying regularly that samian ware comes from 'France' and not Gaul. Apparently the producer thinks that the British audience couldn't handle the difference.
Thank you, I've found that annoying too. What's their problem with saying "East Roman", "Byzantine" or, if they're so bent on geographical terms, "Anatolian" is completely beyond me. Calling 5th-6th century AD finds "Turkish" is just as anachronistic as saying that Julius Ceasar wrote a book titled "French Wars"...
@@gratius1394 The ignorance of English historians is staggering. And as English is the current lingua franca a-lot of misinformation and Anglo-centric, distorted version of history spreads around the World with the help of the Internet. The English historians were supposed to be top-professionals, I thought.
@@eironwyman8157 🤣🤣 Sounds like a lame excuse for being lazy at hygiene...I have a few friends that play and they absolutely do not grow talons and they play amazing 😆. Also look at TONS of other's playing guitar...
TT has made me reflect on what those in our own distant future will think of the lives we've lived...Skeletal remains will find us unhealthy and all the wasted petrochemicals will lable us as a suicidal global subhominid group.
Surely if they were trading tin and copper then Camelford is the wrong place to trade. Tin and copper was mined much further southwest where Penwith is now and Camborne / Redruth / St. Agnes and suchlike.
I had a neighbour, with Cornish roots with the surname of Udy. He believed that there was Moorish origins in his family tree. Looking at our own lifestyles today- we forget just how mobile peoples were in past ages- especially when they had access to sea travel.
Really just came here to watch a good program. Iam battered by ads--political mostly, and now fundraisers, and offers to pay this site to not batter me with ads. This is a good series and you really do overdo it with the endless ads and distractions. This makes the show just a lure.
This has the Potential of an: *"Every great History story has Pirates"* - "the History Guy", see his Channel on UA-cam A fabulous Professional Narrator and Historian. Back in 2019 he traveled to Britain on vacation and filmed/shared part of the experiences from his UK vacation. *the History Guy" is one of my fav's and I Highly Recommend a Watch* 🇺🇸
I have been watching him for years. He knows his stuff and does his research meticulously. Shows like Time Team, The History Guy, and others work well with each other.
@@richardbore2693. Exactly right. In addition, the television company Channel 4 was funding the digs, and they didn’t have infinite resources to do that. So, they had to balance out the options- more days? Or more digs? Can’t have both.
Thank you for true support. Yes trades happened and more travel than many seem to think. Chinese round houses and others, and undergr9und homes were type living then. Science has learned to take evidence of regulars and find aftermath because some believed ...saw, and recognized the debri from living .
Good....but when they drew the map in great detail that could have marked the extent of the eastern Roman empire in , that existed for a thousand years after the sack of Rome in 410 AD . Constantinople was sacked by the Turks in 1453 . Plaque was the big setback in the 520s ' as the eastern Romans attempted to retake the western empire for Roman rule around the period unearthed in Cornwall.
Its just mind-boggling how much gap there were between minor asian' civilizations and britons' 2000 years ago. One of them were debating on the matters of universe and the other were building round houses along the beach... Fantastic.
I absolutely love this show, its therapeutic even. But am I the only one that is a bit annoyed with the anachronisms " Turkey" and "turkish" when we're actually talking about the Byzantines who considered themselves Romans....at the very least they could've said Anatolian.
I wonder if such a dig and exposure to it causes any of the children who see it in person grow up to become a scientist in any of the disciplines involved?
During all times by Vikings, Spanish, Portuguese and Roman, there was trade. Think of the journey to China of Marco Polo. Slave trade and all kinds of goods
If Baldrick's going to front shows like this he needs to learn some basic history and geography. 5th or 6th century pottery can't have been "Turkish" as Turkey wasn't a thing then. He means Asia Minor, or Anatolia, which didn't become Turkish until the 11th century when the Seljuqs invaded. So it was Byzantine (or Eastern Roman) pottery from Anatolia. It's a bit like saying that Boudicca mounted a rebellion against the Romans in "England".
the more episodes you watch , you can tell that this is fixed up for the cameras...its funny how the finds popup when the camera comes along , also the so-called experts are clutching at straws all the time. Maybe when they made this show they should have followed unfilmed digging from amateurs that the show couldve confirmed or denied their finding
Bang on John . A lot of stuff you see on TV. is not quite what it seems . They can get away with it because on the whole , they have a gullible and over credulous audience
Also Belerion, Albion - the shining land, the land of plombus albus - 'white lead' or tin. We have a legend of the giant GörMagot who was defeated by an ancestor Trojan from Anatolia called Corin who gave his name to the the land of Cernou.
@@hiccacarryer3624 Ancient geographers divided the Earth to regions not like modern ones who divide it to continents , directions and states,if you read any ancient geography book you will find that Gog and Magog is the region which's now called Northern Europe! -Prophets of Israel warned them against these nations and it happened when "greeks" and "Romans" invaded them which coincided with the time of Jesus(pbuh) and this was considered a sign of his time! -The same thing happened to Muslims the prophet Muhammad(pbuh)warned them against these nations and it happened when western nations colonized the Muslims World and when you read the Quran and traditions of the Prophet you will be amazed by details he mentionned and this coincided with the time of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad the Imam Mahdi and the Promised Messiah ua-cam.com/video/tB2YELHX4g4/v-deo.html&t
I love the format of this show. We've got experts, really the best of the best, giving all the information, and the host Tony playing the role of the audience, asking questions, being snarky and skeptical at times, its just a really great formula and a fascinating series.
I just love how Tony keeps teasing them with the "not very round house". He's the soul of this series.
i like him too. but i find his voice too shrill. god series
@@jaynesegman7847rrrrrerrrdrrrrrrbd
TT rocks! I’m addicted to this show. The archeologists, geo phys guys, experts on pottery, etc. are top notch. Even if the digs don’t deliver any results the archeological process is always fascinating to me.
I really like this series. Phil and Mick are so involved in the digs, they pull you along with them.
Damn this was top notch. Thank you Time Team and shout out to Carl the Cornish coin connoisseur!
This is amazing stuff. Man had no written history in the 6th century, to find this information and figure it out is absolutely perfect.
I just love the enthusiasm of Francis.
I found this series a couple of days ago; they dont do history like this anymore!! Love the show
they have just restarted time team with some familiar faces and new ones :) think there has only been one episode so far but worth looking up. Been watching time team since I was a kid so really glad it is back
I'm hooked !
Thanks so much for posting
Thank you. Love watching the episodes!
Aah TT. Our hope in this insane world.
Yes! I had never heard of it prior to the pandemic. I’m glad I did! We are literally watching old hippies dig in the dirt for a hour each episode, but it never fails to fascinate me!
love the banter that goes on between them.....
The New ones done w patron donation are just as good as always. Missing some of those that have passed and all have aged just like me. but still a great exploration. Easy way to waste an hour of your life. You will learn something even if you don't intend to.
One wouldn't necessarily require to reach the shore to trade, the ship in question could lay anchor at safe depth whilst a smaller local raft or barge could be used to ferry items from the shore and to the ship.
Yes lovely view of the Cornish coast , with an excavation in the foreground . Friendly landowners , who tidies up ?
Another amazing & enjoying video about archeologists activities for finding historical provinces ...strange discovered...circulation houses, coins and other particles from bronzed age ...enjoying video
I'm really glad I found this video today, it's providing me so much background information for a RPG campaign I'm righting!
These guys always make me smile lol but also interesting
love the banter and gentle professional ribbing. " the not so round , roundhouse " " it may just be the least convincing pottery reconstruction ever but...." These comments keep me coming back. and keeps us all honest.
@@trevormiles5852 yes
Good find, Baldrick!
Great video mate 🇬🇧🇦🇺
The map on the beach....wow.
So happy to run across a TT I haven’t seen before! Thanks! Theory: the ‘harbor’ silted up too much for the ships to come in anymore (possibly too silted even for boats from a ship anchored out in deeper water), thus stopping the trade. Yes, I’m an armchair archeologist. Lol! It’s getting to where I can say the time period of most of the pottery found.
Quite a few harbors from the ancient world are now far inland - like a mile. Silting does that.
parts of san francsico is built on top of old ships that have sunk in the harbor, this was pretty common, along with the silt issue.
Armchair archaeologist, love it. That is me through and through. I'm forever watching these going, "That shape on the geophys look kinda like something." or they'll pick up a piece of pottery or a coin or something "Oh that looks a such and such." One day I'd like to actually study archeaology but until that day, Armchair archaeologist it is 😂
he has been amazing doing this series love this series
This job looks awesome.
Ref 'rubbish' in the middle of the wall, back in the 00'ties me and a colluege worked on the coast of Norway and all hotels was full, so we had to stay at a farm with an old woman, she, (probably not she personally) had moved an old house to make food, she claimed it was built like it for thousands of years, it was basically an inner wall and outer wall, filled with sand in-between, and the 'funny point' was, she told us they built it wrong the first time, it was impossible to be in the house because it was sand everywhere, and the reason was, the roof they built was covering also the outer wall, what they did was, shortening the roof, only covering the inner wall, letting rain water fall into the sand, in-between inner and outer walls, she claimed the house was perfect, and it looked really good, but is do not know
Who ever drew the map of the known world was really talented =it looked great
Most likely victor ambrus he was the lead artist on the show he past away 2021
Yall I thought I found a glitch n the matrix for a min there!! That spindle bout scared me😱😂😂 nice guys!
A TT I don't remember seeing. EUREKA!!!
I got misty-eyed when I heard Nicks voice.
I'm always amazed at how they can date the pottery.
How is this possible? Is there a Time Team episode where they explain this?
I'd love to see a show dedicated to explaining this.
Carl T is in the house! So good.
5th/6th century finds and Tintagel Castle is up the coast only a few miles ---sounds like a certain 'King' might've visited the port......
Love this series. Corsica and Sardinia were left out of the map of Europe drawn in the sand. :(
Love this show
i don't know about trading port, but wreckers comes to mind, sinking ships and local folk stripping beached sinking ships. Would explain why so much varied pottery comes from.
I love watching this program but I want desperately to know what happens to these digs when this team has finished. Do they cover them back in ? Do more archeologist just continue the digs ? Please some one answer me because they are incredible finds that need to be protected . Thanks
The trenches are backfilled and the site reinstated to its previous condition, as far as possible. Then the post-excavation work begins of analysing the finds and collating the information/data recovered to begin putting the report together. The post-ex work is undertaken by Wessex Archaeology and many of the site reports can be found on their website.
Sometimes other archaeology groups will continue working on a particular site, but in most cases no further work has taken place.
@@georgedorn1022 what a shame it’s not investigated further . Thanks for letting me know
@@leannemayor5755 It is a balancing act between wanting to satisfy our intellectual curiosity about a site right now and also knowing that if we wait a few years we will understand it even better due to advances in archaeological science and understanding.
@@georgedorn1022 of corse with updated carbon dating ,computers have made identifying things so much easier. I have always loved finding history secrets. To be an archeologist would be fascinating . I am grateful for these kind of shows. Now I am forced retirement ,these even the very old ones help me fill in the time and learn a little something . Thanks again from Sydney Australia 🇦🇺
I'm disabled and pain keeps me awake most nights so time team is a good distraction for me. There are more channels that show time team videos. "time team official", "time team classic", "history hits", etc. They feed my quest for archaeological info and help keep my imagination from going stagnant. Blessings, Dot
Every time they say "iron age roundhouse" I think of a big building where they store steam locomotives.
An Iron Age roundhouse to me, conjures up an old man kicking the side of my head into an other era.
At least you said that the “turkish” pottery maybe came from constantinople and not from Istabul.👍
They also have him saying regularly that samian ware comes from 'France' and not Gaul. Apparently the producer thinks that the British audience couldn't handle the difference.
@@JonFrumTheFirst 🙈😂
Thank you, I've found that annoying too. What's their problem with saying "East Roman", "Byzantine" or, if they're so bent on geographical terms, "Anatolian" is completely beyond me. Calling 5th-6th century AD finds "Turkish" is just as anachronistic as saying that Julius Ceasar wrote a book titled "French Wars"...
Turkish... when Turks were still in Eastern Siberia. It was and is still Anatolia or Asia Minor.
@@gratius1394 The ignorance of English historians is staggering. And as English is the current lingua franca a-lot of misinformation and Anglo-centric, distorted version of history spreads around the World with the help of the Internet. The English historians were supposed to be top-professionals, I thought.
Thank you.
a spindle whorl, this is such an ancient tool, I remember my great grandmother used this tool to spin the yarn
I and many others still use them today! Definitely not a lost art… there’s a continuous thread connecting us spinners over the millennia.
Glad to see Phil finally cut most of his talons lol..
I'm sure he's quite the ladies man. =)
he grows them for guitar playing
@@eironwyman8157 🤣🤣 Sounds like a lame excuse for being lazy at hygiene...I have a few friends that play and they absolutely do not grow talons and they play amazing 😆. Also look at TONS of other's playing guitar...
@@jeremiahsawyer2123 look at every single Spanish guitar player. You can have long nails and good hygiene. Ask the majority of women. lol
Doubt uncle Phil is worried about you in the least lol would prolly call you a Berkshire Hunt to your face.
Anthea Harris is 🔥
TT has made me reflect on what those in our own distant future will think of the lives we've lived...Skeletal remains will find us unhealthy and all the wasted petrochemicals will lable us as a suicidal global subhominid group.
The British isles are simply stunning.
Very cool , though foreign bits of pottery where being found over 50 years ago .
maybe bits came ashore ?
35:45 .... that could also be a weight for a net over the thatched roof ... to stop the wind tearing it away / off
I would like some updates on past digs.
Surely if they were trading tin and copper then Camelford is the wrong place to trade. Tin and copper was mined much further southwest where Penwith is now and Camborne / Redruth / St. Agnes and suchlike.
Geo Fizz - Tony’s favourite soft drink. Goes great with ethanol.
You are beginning to see... it takes a keen eye...
39:40 'This may be the least convincing pottery reconstruction ever'... 🙂
The sand map is awesome
Francis reminds me strongly of Edmund Gwenn, Miracle on 34th St Santa.
After a long trip from the East of the Med , past Portugal etc , would be happy to find any safe haven .
Thanks...
Oh great, just found out my Ancestors came to Australia in the late 1700’s from Cornwall and I know nothing about Cornwall
Hi from Cornwall
Your ancestor probably stole a cornish pastie 😆
I had a neighbour, with Cornish roots with the surname of Udy. He believed that there was Moorish origins in his family tree. Looking at our own lifestyles today- we forget just how mobile peoples were in past ages- especially when they had access to sea travel.
Really just came here to watch a good program. Iam battered by ads--political mostly, and now fundraisers, and offers to pay this site to not batter me with ads. This is a good series and you really do overdo it with the endless ads and distractions. This makes the show just a lure.
Totally agree.It use to be on TV.but that had adds.I am sick of the push on Wion,it is just all political and painful.
We have eliminated the ads when we watch UA-cam. You can do that, too.
Click the Skip button, that helps.
This has the Potential of an:
*"Every great History story has Pirates"* - "the History Guy", see his Channel on UA-cam
A fabulous Professional Narrator and Historian. Back in 2019 he traveled to Britain on vacation and filmed/shared part of the experiences from his UK vacation.
*the History Guy" is one of my fav's and I Highly Recommend a Watch*
🇺🇸
I have been watching him for years. He knows his stuff and does his research meticulously. Shows like Time Team, The History Guy, and others work well with each other.
In time of war, or pirate ships, people as Vikings are an intermediate, international trade force
Some of my ancestors lived in the side of hills... stone entry.
Good ole Iron Age, where you still keep great-great gran in the kitchen.
Just out of curiosity, it's been a while since I watched this show on TV, why is it they only have 3 days ?, seems a bit rushed.
I always assumed they all had real jobs. Mostly academics/students/post grads at Universities and the like. They arranged it over a long weekend.
@@richardbore2693. Exactly right. In addition, the television company Channel 4 was funding the digs, and they didn’t have infinite resources to do that. So, they had to balance out the options- more days? Or more digs? Can’t have both.
I’d like to get my hands on some treasure while on the 🏖
Francis just makes things up to satisfy his Bronze and Iron age fantasies
Why do you have only three days?
S15 E10 - From Constantinople to Cornwall, 9 March 2008
Poor Francis, he tends to lose a lot of things. At least he tells an interesting story.
Thank you for true support. Yes trades happened and more travel than many seem to think. Chinese round houses and others, and undergr9und homes were type living then. Science has learned to take evidence of regulars and find aftermath because some believed ...saw, and recognized the debri from living .
Good....but when they drew the map in great detail that could have marked the extent of the eastern Roman empire in , that existed for a thousand years after the sack of Rome in 410 AD . Constantinople was sacked by the Turks in 1453 . Plaque was the big setback in the 520s ' as the eastern Romans attempted to retake the western empire for Roman rule around the period unearthed in Cornwall.
JCB equipment like Ford equipment in states very common equipment
Bring back the Black Adder man. We miss him.
He’s right there on the screen…
@36:13
Girl: "That's really nice cuz (...)"
Guy: "Hm, yes, okay." *walks away*
Bruh, how disinterested can you be 😂
Its just mind-boggling how much gap there were between minor asian' civilizations and britons' 2000 years ago. One of them were debating on the matters of universe and the other were building round houses along the beach... Fantastic.
The celts were advanced in medicine and metal work. Round houses were used because they are easy and cheap to build using local matarials.
I absolutely love this show, its therapeutic even. But am I the only one that is a bit annoyed with the anachronisms " Turkey" and "turkish" when we're actually talking about the Byzantines who considered themselves Romans....at the very least they could've said Anatolian.
I wonder if such a dig and exposure to it causes any of the children who see it in person grow up to become a scientist in any of the disciplines involved?
Perhaps they were a community of wreckers? Preying upon ships washed up on the sand.
Baldrick?
We humans are just fleeting beings on the land of earth. Sad. We come and go so fast
You got the Hadrian coin, let's move on and try to find a hoard for Pete's sake!!
Hmmm ok this vid was From Constantinople to Cornwall S15 Ep10 TT lol thought I had lost my marbles.
Why only 3 days if you are finding things
Thank you for calling it the right name eastern Roman Empire , not byzantine
any old fireplace is a furnice ooh haa
It's a great series - such a pity Tony Robinson is in it.
He's not in the new ones.
During all times by Vikings, Spanish, Portuguese and Roman, there was trade. Think of the journey to China of Marco Polo. Slave trade and all kinds of goods
Not a harbor... more like a pirate style community based on salvage of ships which sank in deceptive waters.
I don't understand why all has been removed?
If Baldrick's going to front shows like this he needs to learn some basic history and geography. 5th or 6th century pottery can't have been "Turkish" as Turkey wasn't a thing then. He means Asia Minor, or Anatolia, which didn't become Turkish until the 11th century when the Seljuqs invaded. So it was Byzantine (or Eastern Roman) pottery from Anatolia. It's a bit like saying that Boudicca mounted a rebellion against the Romans in "England".
How bad we might think about Muslim, Asian people, trade is always possible
Muslims didn't exist before the 7th century.
Pterosaurus probably dropped some off.
Where's the evidence oif what they were trading?
When in Cornwall do as the Roman's do..
neolithic spindle whorls. there are videos on you tube of people using them to make yarn.
the more episodes you watch , you can tell that this is fixed up for the cameras...its funny how the finds popup when the camera comes along , also the so-called experts are clutching at straws all the time. Maybe when they made this show they should have followed unfilmed digging from amateurs that the show couldve confirmed or denied their finding
Bang on John . A lot of stuff you see on TV. is not quite what it seems . They can get away with it because on the whole , they have a gullible and over credulous audience
In ancient geography,this part of the World used to be called:
-The Land of humus soil
-The sixth Clime
-The land of Gog and Magog
Also Belerion, Albion - the shining land, the land of plombus albus - 'white lead' or tin. We have a legend of the giant GörMagot who was defeated by an ancestor Trojan from Anatolia called Corin who gave his name to the the land of Cernou.
@@hiccacarryer3624 Ancient geographers divided the Earth to regions not like modern ones who divide it to continents , directions and states,if you read any ancient geography book you will find that Gog and Magog is the region which's now called Northern Europe!
-Prophets of Israel warned them against these nations and it happened when "greeks" and "Romans" invaded them which coincided with the time of Jesus(pbuh) and this was considered a sign of his time!
-The same thing happened to Muslims the prophet Muhammad(pbuh)warned them against these nations and it happened when western nations colonized the Muslims World and when you read the Quran and traditions of the Prophet you will be amazed by details he mentionned and this coincided with the time of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad the Imam Mahdi and the Promised Messiah
ua-cam.com/video/tB2YELHX4g4/v-deo.html&t
👍
Roman Empire lasted to 1450’s. Only the western half collapsed just before 500AD. This is not post Roman. Just post Roman Britain.
World trade......they have artifacts found in Oregon... that were from central america...
You'd be safer if ships couldn't get to you.
What is a byzantine? -.-