In softball, there is only obstruction. It's not separated into type 1 and 2 as it is in baseball. Though, if a play is being made on an obstructed runner, softball does kill the play immediately. In softball, the rules state that the umpire simply award the base the runner would have obtained had there been no obstruction. In this case, the runner was heading back to first, and had there not been obstruction, she would have reached first base. Thus the award of first base and not second base.
@@MoonlightGrahamCracker I never said it was a hit ball. So are you saying she was just supposed to set back out of the way to catch the ball. Kind of hard to tag someone out from a foot away
@@ronaldmead7643 fielder has to position herself so she does’t impede the runner, that is the rule. She can’t be blocking the runner UNTIL she has the ball. The rule is pretty clear, not sure what your are arguing.
@@MoonlightGrahamCracker I would not have called it. I am saying the fielder has the right to try and get the ball other wise if the ball is low and inside like this then the fielder just has to stand there and not try for it.
@@ronaldmead7643 this video is literally showing a game example of the rule. Fielders know how to position themselves to make the catch and tag and avoid impeding the runner. Its basic fielding. What you “would” do is meaningless.
except that when obstruction is called, the penalty award is one base FORWARD. it looks weird, but in this case, the awarded base would be second base.
Not true, the award in softball for obstruction is the base the runner would have reached absent the obstruction. It is not an automatic base advancement.
@@wlangley88 sorry. i meant to disclaim myself as a baseball umpire. yeah, it appears that this is a rule that should be evaluated in softball. it appears that in softball, the only "award" is an automatic "safe" call. big deal...
She didnt do that on purpose. What was she supposed to do, not field the ball and let it go wildly into right field. Throw was low and inside the bag, give me a break.
Since when does it have to be on purpose to be obstruction? A fielder not in possession of the ball nor in the act of fielding a batted ball cannot hinder a runner from running the bases. Until she has the ball she cannot impede the runners progress. This is a training video from NFHS, yes this is obstruction in any softball ruleset.
Yes @dean Arnold, to your hypothesis of letting the ball go into right field. The runner is not watching where the 1B is, she’s just trying to get back to the base. 1B MUST allow a clear path back unless she has the ball. Catchers poor throw is not the runners fault, and 1B is clearly blocking path without the ball. Easy call. I have umpired since the 80s and far more often see a wild throw from the infield pull the 1B off the bag into the batter-runner’s path, which is also obstruction. Wild throws are not the runner’s problem; all Rs must be given a clear path to all bases unless fielder has the ball. In these cases, to avoid the obstruction penalty, the fielder must learn to let the wild throw be a wild throw instead of moving into the runner’s path to retrieve it.
All 3 of you have put a great description of the interpretation of the rule for the way the call should have been called. It's my bad, good job you guys, you all must be or could be with your knowledge either good umpires or great coaches involved with the game!!
So it’s the base runner fault the throw is low? The infielder should have went toward the ball to stop it from going pass her instead of creating obstruction.
In baseball, the runner would get second base
Or not
Happens all the time in baseball. Almost never called,except now on plays at plate.
In softball, there is only obstruction. It's not separated into type 1 and 2 as it is in baseball. Though, if a play is being made on an obstructed runner, softball does kill the play immediately. In softball, the rules state that the umpire simply award the base the runner would have obtained had there been no obstruction. In this case, the runner was heading back to first, and had there not been obstruction, she would have reached first base. Thus the award of first base and not second base.
Grreat example o_o
It does not look like the BU had the best angle to assess if F3 had the ball, but he surely could tell that F3 was blocking the bag...
We have many umpires in my state who have no clue.
Time for you to get out there and be an umpire.
she already "owned first base" so she shld get 2nd base on the obstruction! (thats the way it is in bsbl)
The first baseman had to get down there to catch the ball No other way she could have caught it and taged the runner out
It was a pickoff attempt, not a hit ball, she can’t impede the runner if she doesn’t have the ball, trying to catch a throw doesn’t matter
@@MoonlightGrahamCracker I never said it was a hit ball. So are you saying she was just supposed to set back out of the way to catch the ball. Kind of hard to tag someone out from a foot away
@@ronaldmead7643 fielder has to position herself so she does’t impede the runner, that is the rule. She can’t be blocking the runner UNTIL she has the ball. The rule is pretty clear, not sure what your are arguing.
@@MoonlightGrahamCracker I would not have called it. I am saying the fielder has the right to try and get the ball other wise if the ball is low and inside like this then the fielder just has to stand there and not try for it.
@@ronaldmead7643 this video is literally showing a game example of the rule. Fielders know how to position themselves to make the catch and tag and avoid impeding the runner. Its basic fielding.
What you “would” do is meaningless.
So what did the umpire call?
It doesn't matter what the umpire called. Its a teaching moment, were not here to call people out, but to learn from the play.
except that when obstruction is called, the penalty award is one base FORWARD. it looks weird, but in this case, the awarded base would be second base.
Not true, the award in softball for obstruction is the base the runner would have reached absent the obstruction. It is not an automatic base advancement.
@@rkbeals A bad rule. A team has nothing to lose by obstructing on every pickoff play.
Not by NFHS rules. I know. Stupid penalty.
@@wlangley88 sorry. i meant to disclaim myself as a baseball umpire. yeah, it appears that this is a rule that should be evaluated in softball. it appears that in softball, the only "award" is an automatic "safe" call. big deal...
@@cloudwatcher724 That play is so bang bang, you have to pause it to make look like obstruction.
She didnt do that on purpose. What was she supposed to do, not field the ball and let it go wildly into right field. Throw was low and inside the bag, give me a break.
Since when does it have to be on purpose to be obstruction? A fielder not in possession of the ball nor in the act of fielding a batted ball cannot hinder a runner from running the bases. Until she has the ball she cannot impede the runners progress. This is a training video from NFHS, yes this is obstruction in any softball ruleset.
Yes @dean Arnold, to your hypothesis of letting the ball go into right field. The runner is not watching where the 1B is, she’s just trying to get back to the base. 1B MUST allow a clear path back unless she has the ball. Catchers poor throw is not the runners fault, and 1B is clearly blocking path without the ball. Easy call. I have umpired since the 80s and far more often see a wild throw from the infield pull the 1B off the bag into the batter-runner’s path, which is also obstruction. Wild throws are not the runner’s problem; all Rs must be given a clear path to all bases unless fielder has the ball. In these cases, to avoid the obstruction penalty, the fielder must learn to let the wild throw be a wild throw instead of moving into the runner’s path to retrieve it.
Intent is not part if this rule
All 3 of you have put a great description of the interpretation of the rule for the way the call should have been called. It's my bad, good job you guys, you all must be or could be with your knowledge either good umpires or great coaches involved with the game!!
So it’s the base runner fault the throw is low? The infielder should have went toward the ball to stop it from going pass her instead of creating obstruction.