I tested how powerful Vigor was at max strength, I was able to swim outside of the sub without a diving suit for about 2 minutes before finally getting crushed
10:52 Unfortunately, the side-effect afflictions aren't a challenge at all when you use the right medications. It's only a problem when you use the wrong ones (90% of the time it's Fentanyl without the required skill level). It's boring once you know the healing meta which simplifies to three procedures. For healing injuries you choose just 3 out of 7 possible medications (Bandages or Plastiseal, Opium or Morphine or Fentanyl, optionally Saline or Blood Packs when someone's unconscious specifically from blood loss), then 2 occasional antidotes (Calyxanide and Anaparalyzant) and CPR for unconscious players (including a diving mask/suit with oxygen.) That's 95% of active medic gameplay. But there are mods that make it more interesting! And if you're using a difficulty mod like Barotraumatic or Europa War, it's not so boring even with vanilla medicine.
@@sarunasjadzgevicius3633 Thinking in those terms, I'd say up to 50% of the time spent as a medic is making and sorting medications. Medics don't spend that much time actually healing in vanilla, this isn't Neurotrauma ;)
So much complexity in the mechanics, but it all boils down to disappointing simplicity in gameplay. It seems to me like all those stats and redundant affliction types serve no purpose other than overwhelming new players.
EDIT: 2022 Holiday update 11:04 You forgot that CPR is inefficient without oxygen from a mask or a diving suit. While you can use liquid oxygenite, steroids, etc, basically nobody ever does that just because CPR + oxygen works. Thanks to the recent syringe gun changes, you can now use it any way you want (provided you have enough Medical skill), which makes vanilla medic gameplay a tiny bit better. You'll want to use Fentanyl (again, with the required Medical skill) for efficiency when Morphine is scarce.
You can load a syringe gun with antibiotics just incase you encounter husks so your can give the crew resistance to them quickly. Apart from loading it with raptor bane thats the only use I can think of outside of traitor/pvp plays.
As a word of mention, the affliction Psychosis and also be gotten from being near certain objects, like alien artefacts - specifically the alien psychosis artefact gives 0.5% Affliction Psychosis every second when being held. I'm not exactly sure, but I think it's also possible to gain this affliction from taking hits from creatures of the deep.
Hyperzine in the medic-gun, seems like a good idea. Since it has no skill needed, there's no downside to using it in the gun. I might try a strat where I grow plants for profit, and trade for as much hyperzine (& precursor chemicals) as I can get from every base.
Good guide, hopefully there will be less doctors that overdose everyone on accident. Can you do a drone guide next? I see you use the kastrull that comes with a drone. Maybe you can find out how they work. Because I love the idea behind them and I pulled only one succesful drone mision off. Maybe you can do it better :)
Update for current situation of the game: - Syringe gun applies just as if it was applied manually, so you still need to pass the skill check but it won't *always* fail. This only happens past Rising Tide update. (Released February 24th, 2022) - If you don't have enough Medical Skill the syringe gun will have extra spread
Solid organization, writing, delivery, and video; great work! I wish there were an improved husk egg that would give the immunity to crushing pressure in just a few seconds-useful to treat someone out of their dive suit, whether planned or not.
Thank you for the kind words. I agree, that would be a nice resistance, there is one listed on the wiki, but you can only activate it as part of a mod or through the command line terminal, so no gameplay way yet.
I tried to take notes, and realized your decay and grow numbers are all over the place, the stuff you say doesn't match the info displayed. It's a great video giving an overview of the topic, thanks for the link to wiki hopefully they will have better number consistency
One Question last session our Captain was fully paralised during outside mission. We brought him back into the ship and our medic to bring him back with Anaparalyzant but it didn't work we tryed that to help him ~10 min. After that i navigated the Sub towards the next outpost and docked. The captain was stll paralysed and the rest of the crew chew him up and killed him that he can respwan. I just want to know if there was another way and not kill him.
There will be updates in the new release, but for the old UI you would need to roll back the game version, which is not easy to do you need to know how to build a game binary from scratch. @@ShanRoulette2024
Unfortunately, the syringe gun is quite limited and (largely) useless. Anabolic steroids and the accompanying vitality inflation are great at stabilizing downed crewmates.
I agree, mudraptors are few and far between. For multiplayer traitors as well you can see someone firing it at you. Would be good to see how the updates in the future change this.
thank you, a question though: some medicines (like bandages), require you to target a specific limb with it, while others (like morphine) don't if i have the correct medical skill and use morphine on someone who has let's say, 60 damage to their left arm, and 20 damage in their right arm, how does the heal work? does it heal 30 damage in their left arm and 20 damage in their right arm? or does it heal 50 damage in their left arm AND the 20 damage in their right arm? does it split heals between damaged body parts? also, does it matter what body part i target with using morphine?
morphine effects the whole body, so no need to worry about making it limb specific. For limb specific afflictions it will only heal the damage to the specific limb if you use a bandage on a specific limb. As far as i am aware it does not split between body parts. However everything is still subject to change.
im always having trouble with npcs having nerve damage and ruptured lungs from randomly leaving the sub with the sonar being activated. How do i cure or treat ruptured lung and nerve damage?
@@IronicandDead The bag never spawned was the issue. It's happened a couple times so far, where we get husked in a cave, die to said husk. Come back to kill it and our stuff, and everything is gone. What used to be 'My Character' is just a regular husk npc now with now duffel. I'm not sure, maybe it was a bug or something, we make sure to bring anti husk meds with us everywhere now.
listin some recommendations for video ideas. 1. Make a playlist for your guide videos 2. Creature guide ( I really wanna know how you beat thalamus at this point ive been stuck for 2 days in sp cuz I cant pass my mission and need the credits to finally upgrade my submarine
Here you go on the playlist. ua-cam.com/play/PLpRSK_IeqAY-hYGP3Ucr32mUna9PkZ2UD.html For the creature guide, i will do one, but it will later on as the developers are currently working on more creature updates.
Huh you know things are much more interesting when your on ship doctor is a complete hack It’s more entertaining when they are desperately trying to stop the 4+ afflictions from killing you with a myriad of drugs while the crew panics.
Medical Officers are a must if you have a team of more than 5 crew. They will save your whole squad. The AI will heal anyone injured, so you just need to supply them with enough medications. Pro Tip: If you are going outside the submarine, bring a toolbelt consisting only of medicine (morphine, bandages, plastiseal, blood packs and calyxanide). If you are bitten, or injured, you can heal yourself without needing to go back to the submarine.
Neurotrauma players: I smell Ẁ̴̥̄́̑̍̌̇͒̈́̐͊͘͠È̴̛͚̰̪̰̻̽́̇̾̂̏̑̾̐̾̕̕͝A̴̛̗̻͍͕̘͉̟̖͑̂̌͊̐̋̈́̐̈́̓K̸̙̮̳̲͎̠͊̂̉̈́͂̆̓̈̔̀̕͝͝ͅN̵̨͓͚̱̹͈̱̙̞̈́̒͂̇͒̀͋̓̅̑͋̒͠͠͝ͅE̷͕̞͚̞͇̮͖͍̓̽͗̿͛͂͗̂͊̿͐͛́͘͠Ş̷͎͕̼̬̦̹̻̝̭̗̦̻̥́͐̅̌̏̈́̑̈́̐̃Ş̶̧͙̼͍͓̝̦̥̟͉͙̃́̉̔̈̈́͘̚͝
Going to be honest, I never use glue as anything more then an ingredient for crafting the blood clot warning kinda discourages me, as a medic I just carry around a ton of plasteal blood, fentinol and anti biotics or the equivalents of such items, often the only time I lose patients to blood losses is when I spend to long trying to find witch limb is bleeding, however the habit of giving cpr and a blood pack immediately generally gets around that if you remember to do so, on the other hand, I just give opiates for burns and basicly any non blood or O2 related damage, if I have them I will use Deusizne for important personnel in critical condition as it's a cure all, meanwhile for husk, I will just pump you with a ton of antibiotics and give you just enough morphine to keep you alive unless it's a vip then I will use the calyxinide or more morphine. Most of the time though I tell people to lay down if they are not important. However in my single player campaign where I got all the antibiotics, I didn't have a medic for the longest time yet also never really had any issues that really needed medical stuff aside from one time I shot arty Doolittle and my mechanic well my mechanic shot me with as we were being boarded by a pack of raptors in in barsuk, though currently early sub upgrades hull all the way to T4 have made it so we have not gotten any injuries outside of bed rest injuries in a very long time, combined with the lack of a medic, I have not seen any point to crafting any med other then a ton of unused bandages early on.
I wish it was on purpose, this was footage from one of my first game-play sessions, when i didn't know what a husk was, i think i was trying to figure out how do i save the survivor, not realizing it was biting me. Fits well for the medical guide :D
The easiest and cheapest way is to dock at a station and use the medical facilities there, however on a mission you can use Calyxanide. Hope this helps
@@IronicandDead Ty, your info and tips about the game, help me a lot, unfortunately there are no good chanels about Barotrauma in spanish. In english i think you are the best.
4:00 so lemme get this straight...if I didnt swap out my husk gene, which prevents the last stage from ever happening, for a hammerhead gene...I could have swam outside with just body-armour...no oxygen mask or diving suit...and...be fine?... (And does it still have thag effect today?) If yes...f*ck me I regret my decisions..
Hello there, thank you for your guides. I want to ask if there is updated guide on what and which resources to buy when you are starting the game and whatnot. I just bought the game.
Your more than welcome. There isn't a guide on what to buy in the beginning, but i would say with the new update. Magnesium, lead and dementonite are very valuable currently, as they allow you to make ammo and advanced weapons and tools.
I tested how powerful Vigor was at max strength, I was able to swim outside of the sub without a diving suit for about 2 minutes before finally getting crushed
Holy damn
Clown power better
@@Lemon-fj8zy not anymore lol
Everybody gangsta till the medic knocks out an entire bandit station and uses them as test subjects for poison.
I prefer hiring assistants instead.
@@justafurrywithinternet317 thats pretty inhumane but you do you.
10:52 Unfortunately, the side-effect afflictions aren't a challenge at all when you use the right medications. It's only a problem when you use the wrong ones (90% of the time it's Fentanyl without the required skill level).
It's boring once you know the healing meta which simplifies to three procedures. For healing injuries you choose just 3 out of 7 possible medications (Bandages or Plastiseal, Opium or Morphine or Fentanyl, optionally Saline or Blood Packs when someone's unconscious specifically from blood loss), then 2 occasional antidotes (Calyxanide and Anaparalyzant) and CPR for unconscious players (including a diving mask/suit with oxygen.) That's 95% of active medic gameplay.
But there are mods that make it more interesting! And if you're using a difficulty mod like Barotraumatic or Europa War, it's not so boring even with vanilla medicine.
And the other 5 is making those medications
@@sarunasjadzgevicius3633 Thinking in those terms, I'd say up to 50% of the time spent as a medic is making and sorting medications. Medics don't spend that much time actually healing in vanilla, this isn't Neurotrauma ;)
So much complexity in the mechanics, but it all boils down to disappointing simplicity in gameplay. It seems to me like all those stats and redundant affliction types serve no purpose other than overwhelming new players.
@@dustrockblues7567 In vanilla yes, but if you want to improve the complexity with mods, those afflictions serve as a basis for the Neurotrauma mod.
EDIT: 2022 Holiday update
11:04 You forgot that CPR is inefficient without oxygen from a mask or a diving suit. While you can use liquid oxygenite, steroids, etc, basically nobody ever does that just because CPR + oxygen works.
Thanks to the recent syringe gun changes, you can now use it any way you want (provided you have enough Medical skill), which makes vanilla medic gameplay a tiny bit better. You'll want to use Fentanyl (again, with the required Medical skill) for efficiency when Morphine is scarce.
great spot, thank you!
You can load a syringe gun with antibiotics just incase you encounter husks so your can give the crew resistance to them quickly. Apart from loading it with raptor bane thats the only use I can think of outside of traitor/pvp plays.
@@RayPoreon maybe shoot Hyperzine at everyone too, if you're rolling in money 💰.
Idk man shooting morphine and using it normally both heal pretty much everything to full I don't see a difference
@@RayPoreonwhat about hitting husks with the husk antidote. It does damage to husked people, right.
medic is the most deadly class
i mean just give them a garden and suddenly half of your enimes are just DEAD, because medic and gunner moped the floor with em
Shoot someone with 300 fentynal packets
The medic is the most deadly class if the enemy allows you to safely get close, other wise it is either the clown or egineer
@@serpantking7469 It's not the enemy that the medic's killing
As a word of mention, the affliction Psychosis and also be gotten from being near certain objects, like alien artefacts - specifically the alien psychosis artefact gives 0.5% Affliction Psychosis every second when being held. I'm not exactly sure, but I think it's also possible to gain this affliction from taking hits from creatures of the deep.
Wow this is really helpful. Probably the best guide I have seen on the internet
Wow, thanks! really appreciate that.
Really appreciate this rounding up possible misconceptions.
Thanks man. I really like playing medic but it’s one of those classes that relies on player skill as well as character skills. Great guide
Fantastic video, extremely informative, great audio and visuals.
Much appreciated!
Hyperzine in the medic-gun, seems like a good idea.
Since it has no skill needed, there's no downside to using it in the gun.
I might try a strat where I grow plants for profit, and trade for as much hyperzine (& precursor chemicals) as I can get from every base.
I usually use liquid oxiginite or paralysis ones as liquid oxiginite is basically a grenade launcher
Good guide, hopefully there will be less doctors that overdose everyone on accident. Can you do a drone guide next? I see you use the kastrull that comes with a drone. Maybe you can find out how they work. Because I love the idea behind them and I pulled only one succesful drone mision off. Maybe you can do it better :)
Thank you, I might just do a sub tour and include drones with it. I got like 3-4 more guides planed first :D.
Update for current situation of the game:
- Syringe gun applies just as if it was applied manually, so you still need to pass the skill check but it won't *always* fail. This only happens past Rising Tide update. (Released February 24th, 2022)
- If you don't have enough Medical Skill the syringe gun will have extra spread
Very nice video. Calm and pleasant tone, quite a lot of information but not too much.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Hey, that’s just what I looked for today. Thanks for tutorial
Solid organization, writing, delivery, and video; great work!
I wish there were an improved husk egg that would give the immunity to crushing pressure in just a few seconds-useful to treat someone out of their dive suit, whether planned or not.
Thank you for the kind words. I agree, that would be a nice resistance, there is one listed on the wiki, but you can only activate it as part of a mod or through the command line terminal, so no gameplay way yet.
Thank you for the concise guide!
I tried to take notes, and realized your decay and grow numbers are all over the place, the stuff you say doesn't match the info displayed.
It's a great video giving an overview of the topic, thanks for the link to wiki hopefully they will have better number consistency
Ya the devs change the numbers every update, everything is subject to change. 🥳
Nice guide, only opiate afflications were sort of hard for me to understand.
Guide to what you get when you subscribe to ironic:
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Thank you for the kind words :D
*Laughs in Neurotraumatic distress"
One Question last session our Captain was fully paralised during outside mission. We brought him back into the ship and our medic to bring him back with Anaparalyzant but it didn't work we tryed that to help him ~10 min. After that i navigated the Sub towards the next outpost and docked. The captain was stll paralysed and the rest of the crew chew him up and killed him that he can respwan.
I just want to know if there was another way and not kill him.
minor afflictions you can sleep through like hurting knee at the station instead of wasting medical stuff.
dearest Ironic and Dead, how do you get that medical UI? it looks so cool. - Regards. Gabriel/Shan
Its the old UI, The devs changed it as it was a bit confusion. I think in the next update there will be more updates to the medical system.
@@IronicandDead , How do i get it? - Gabriel/Shan
There will be updates in the new release, but for the old UI you would need to roll back the game version, which is not easy to do you need to know how to build a game binary from scratch. @@ShanRoulette2024
Unfortunately, the syringe gun is quite limited and (largely) useless.
Anabolic steroids and the accompanying vitality inflation are great at stabilizing downed crewmates.
I agree, mudraptors are few and far between. For multiplayer traitors as well you can see someone firing it at you. Would be good to see how the updates in the future change this.
Now i can overdoose my friends whith style
I had harpoons stuck in both legs for ages and couldn't figure out how to remove them, any tips?
I think that's a bug, they should de-spawn after a while. You can always try sleeping on a bunk bed, that cures a lot of basic injuries.
thank you, a question though:
some medicines (like bandages), require you to target a specific limb with it, while others (like morphine) don't
if i have the correct medical skill and use morphine on someone who has let's say, 60 damage to their left arm, and 20 damage in their right arm, how does the heal work?
does it heal 30 damage in their left arm and 20 damage in their right arm?
or does it heal 50 damage in their left arm AND the 20 damage in their right arm?
does it split heals between damaged body parts?
also, does it matter what body part i target with using morphine?
morphine effects the whole body, so no need to worry about making it limb specific. For limb specific afflictions it will only heal the damage to the specific limb if you use a bandage on a specific limb. As far as i am aware it does not split between body parts. However everything is still subject to change.
@@IronicandDead thank you
This is so well put together. What was the music you used?
ua-cam.com/video/6jKPUp1qFP0/v-deo.html
Me looking at my AI doctor applying every morphine/fentanyl i had because of broken legs.
im always having trouble with npcs having nerve damage and ruptured lungs from randomly leaving the sub with the sonar being activated. How do i cure or treat ruptured lung and nerve damage?
16:42 ok eminem nice rhymes
When i got killed by a husk, the inventory i had, and diffel bag after respawn were gone entirely. Is this normal?
Inventory yes, duffel bad no. That bag should of had everything you died with as long as it was onboard your sub.
@@IronicandDead The bag never spawned was the issue. It's happened a couple times so far, where we get husked in a cave, die to said husk. Come back to kill it and our stuff, and everything is gone. What used to be 'My Character' is just a regular husk npc now with now duffel. I'm not sure, maybe it was a bug or something, we make sure to bring anti husk meds with us everywhere now.
Wow your video is awesom and helpful!!!ed
listin some recommendations for video ideas.
1. Make a playlist for your guide videos
2. Creature guide ( I really wanna know how you beat thalamus at this point ive been stuck for 2 days in sp cuz I cant pass my mission and need the credits to finally upgrade my submarine
Here you go on the playlist.
ua-cam.com/play/PLpRSK_IeqAY-hYGP3Ucr32mUna9PkZ2UD.html
For the creature guide, i will do one, but it will later on as the developers are currently working on more creature updates.
but with so many meds to try and remember which 1s do i take with me when i go exploring outside my sub?
blood, plasticseal and morphine
@@IronicandDead ok thanx :)
Thanks!
Hey Soilder! Thank you so much, how are you? It's been a while since iv'e been doing regular content, more coming up soon hopefully!
@@IronicandDead im okay, sorry wasnt able to visit your channel much, i was busy with lots of work :( ill try to view more of your videos.
@@soldier22881 It's all good, Hope all is well with you, got a bunch of streams upcoming and this very very very long video for baro im working on.
@@IronicandDead nice looking forward to seeing it
Very nice.
Huh you know things are much more interesting when your on ship doctor is a complete hack
It’s more entertaining when they are desperately trying to stop the 4+ afflictions from killing you with a myriad of drugs while the crew panics.
Is there a way to heal Lacerations?
Or may be I need a medical officer?
lacerations, can easily be healed with any of the opiodes group or by sleeping in a bunk bed.
Ok, thanks for reply
Medical Officers are a must if you have a team of more than 5 crew.
They will save your whole squad.
The AI will heal anyone injured, so you just need to supply them with enough medications.
Pro Tip:
If you are going outside the submarine, bring a toolbelt consisting only of medicine (morphine, bandages, plastiseal, blood packs and calyxanide). If you are bitten, or injured, you can heal yourself without needing to go back to the submarine.
Wait you can’t just use morphine for everything?
You usually can.
Neurotrauma players: I smell Ẁ̴̥̄́̑̍̌̇͒̈́̐͊͘͠È̴̛͚̰̪̰̻̽́̇̾̂̏̑̾̐̾̕̕͝A̴̛̗̻͍͕̘͉̟̖͑̂̌͊̐̋̈́̐̈́̓K̸̙̮̳̲͎̠͊̂̉̈́͂̆̓̈̔̀̕͝͝ͅN̵̨͓͚̱̹͈̱̙̞̈́̒͂̇͒̀͋̓̅̑͋̒͠͠͝ͅE̷͕̞͚̞͇̮͖͍̓̽͗̿͛͂͗̂͊̿͐͛́͘͠Ş̷͎͕̼̬̦̹̻̝̭̗̦̻̥́͐̅̌̏̈́̑̈́̐̃Ş̶̧͙̼͍͓̝̦̥̟͉͙̃́̉̔̈̈́͘̚͝
Im pretty sure theres a new poison which gives radiation
The idea of drinking ethanol in this game as a means of preventing psychosis is bizarre to me
Why 1 guy left 3 separate comments lol
I looted like 2 caves in the start of my campaign and got like 100 antibiotics
That is insane, make sure to make some Antibiotic Glue, these are really good for stopping blood loss immediately
Going to be honest, I never use glue as anything more then an ingredient for crafting the blood clot warning kinda discourages me, as a medic I just carry around a ton of plasteal blood, fentinol and anti biotics or the equivalents of such items, often the only time I lose patients to blood losses is when I spend to long trying to find witch limb is bleeding, however the habit of giving cpr and a blood pack immediately generally gets around that if you remember to do so, on the other hand, I just give opiates for burns and basicly any non blood or O2 related damage, if I have them I will use Deusizne for important personnel in critical condition as it's a cure all, meanwhile for husk, I will just pump you with a ton of antibiotics and give you just enough morphine to keep you alive unless it's a vip then I will use the calyxinide or more morphine. Most of the time though I tell people to lay down if they are not important.
However in my single player campaign where I got all the antibiotics, I didn't have a medic for the longest time yet also never really had any issues that really needed medical stuff aside from one time I shot arty Doolittle and my mechanic well my mechanic shot me with as we were being boarded by a pack of raptors in in barsuk, though currently early sub upgrades hull all the way to T4 have made it so we have not gotten any injuries outside of bed rest injuries in a very long time, combined with the lack of a medic, I have not seen any point to crafting any med other then a ton of unused bandages early on.
Ty
3:20 i will assume, this gameplay footage is done on purpose. no actual player will do that. (not fighting)
I wish it was on purpose, this was footage from one of my first game-play sessions, when i didn't know what a husk was, i think i was trying to figure out how do i save the survivor, not realizing it was biting me. Fits well for the medical guide :D
14:04 funni numbeer
Is this vid out of date now?
Can you do one for the mod neurotrauma
added to list for the future
@@IronicandDeadgood luck
How cure husk infection?
The easiest and cheapest way is to dock at a station and use the medical facilities there, however on a mission you can use Calyxanide. Hope this helps
@@IronicandDead Ty, your info and tips about the game, help me a lot, unfortunately there are no good chanels about Barotrauma in spanish. In english i think you are the best.
Man, Fetanyl is just too good and bad at the same time, I almost killed someone with it
Good thing that I good some treatment medicine
Damn this is complicated. Are we supposed to have a chemical or medecine degree to play this game?
oh you’d love Neurotrauma
4:00 so lemme get this straight...if I didnt swap out my husk gene, which prevents the last stage from ever happening, for a hammerhead gene...I could have swam outside with just body-armour...no oxygen mask or diving suit...and...be fine?... (And does it still have thag effect today?) If yes...f*ck me I regret my decisions..
yes it does
Now do Neurotrauma lol
Neurotrauma ?
stims? we call the drugs
Ok finally 1st here
Hello there, thank you for your guides. I want to ask if there is updated guide on what and which resources to buy when you are starting the game and whatnot. I just bought the game.
Your more than welcome. There isn't a guide on what to buy in the beginning, but i would say with the new update. Magnesium, lead and dementonite are very valuable currently, as they allow you to make ammo and advanced weapons and tools.