DUDE FINALLY SOMEONE MENTIONS ON HOW ABSOLUTELY NOT "JUST FRIENDS" BILLS INTRODUCTION TO FORD WAS, HOW COULD SOMEONE HEAR: "you can call me anything except late for dinner" AND THINK: "ah yes, very platonic, they were just work partners" LIKE I SWEAR PPL WHO SAY THAT LOOK LIKE HISTORIANS
I know! Right? It bothers me so much that people pointing out this evidence usually want to sell it as a “normal encounter”. When it’s obvious both of them were flirting!
@@yugen3423 YESSS, also thank you for pointing this stuff out because now i get to have even more evidence for the kids at my school who deny that bill and ford even were friends at all :D
I know… It’s because I feel like usually for “romantic” to happened there has to be a romance, and I wouldn’t label Bill and Ford’s relationship as anything close to that. It’s just plainly abusive, so maybe there is some sort of twisted love but not the healthy type.
@yugen3423 Yeah, I feel like they definitely had an obsession with each other. Just the both of them don't come off as the romantic types. Ig another way to view it is as a religious relationship, bc it's similar to how you devote your life to God.
Toxic old men monster fucker yaoi?!?! Save us toxic old men monster fucker yaoi. (Also, just look at how Bill’a body language changes around Ford - the hand clasping, his eye seeming to get rounder like how a cat sees something they like, plus all the deleted scenes…..). Honestly Billford is one of the best depictions of abuse and toxic relationships in children’s media imo. (I feel vindicated in defending Ford honestly, because one doesn’t build a gun specifically to destroy an old partner with the scope being their exact shape without having trauma from that relationship. Then Bill only turning Ford into gold, and everyone else, even those also in the cipher wheel/prophecy are turned into stone and put in the chair. Plus, I don’t know how people didn’t pick up on the fact that if Bill did all that damage to Dipper’s body in a few hours, what would he have done to Ford once the act dropped? Thanks to the book we have a more specific idea of what kind of damage Bill did, but it drove me nuts when people said Bill didn’t hurt Ford while possessing him!). The Book of Bill has been an oasis of Gravity Falls content the fandom needed too. The book reignited millions of people in the fandom, and has brought in some of the best fan content I’ve seen in this fandom since it started (Billford causing some of the best AUs to ever come out of this fandom - Handyman Bill, Mr.Bill Pines, etc. I could go on forever. Alex Hirsch has made Gravity Falls is yaoi, as Toby Fox has made Undertale what it is to yuri - aka toxic yaoi vs healthy yuri). Excellent video, I’m so happy people are actually making videos about it now! I’ve been dying to hear about a Billford retrospective or analysis from someone in the fandom who gets it!
@ it was the first retrospective on BoB and Billford that I when the book was still being decoded. Honestly, a bunch of stuff she said was so quotable that I use it in my daily life without realizing it.
Alex Hirsh is a great man honestly. He made history with Blubs and Durland, and now Bill and Stanford? This man has done more than the entertainment industry has since a century ago.
My girlfriend and I love the billford ship. We find it ironic and hilarious that we are literally the opposite of these two characters and still absolutely love them to bits and pieces
I can totally relate to you and your girlfriend! I actually find Ford a little bit relatable, but Bill is literally an antithesis of me. 😂🤣 Anyway, I really like these two characters. 😤👌✨
@yugen3423 Anytime anyone asks me to name a gay ship, this one comes up. And then I have to argue with them for twenty minutes because they have decided that Ford and Bill are "so obviously straight" and I just have to keep giving them a hard stare until they finally walk away. I get my copy of the book of bill on Saturday, so I'm prepared to make an entire slideshow with evidence to convince my friends and family that this ship is not as subtle as they thought. Its literally become a problem, to the point where they tell me every time I ship these two that 'Not everyone is gay' to which I reply, 'Not everyone is straight.' (sorry, longest ramble ever, you don't have to read this and if you did, sincerest of apologies, I'm working on a fan and it's taking 30 years to complete because of lineart struggles and I'm very bored).
lovely video! Not really related, but it made me think of the two videos from film theory about gravity falls... I've kinda stopped enjoyed their content, because everytime they brush on a subject I know a bit more about, they seem to get stuff wrong.. Which was the case with their videos on TBOB. The first video goes into a ton of detail, explaining that Bill has an ex-girlfriend, which could be the Oracle, but doesnt even have a vague mention of BillFord and im standing there like no way, they make a theory, about bill and the oracle being exes, which okay... and even saying the book main theme is relationships, but then dont mention the very (imo) obvious links of a toxic relationship between Bill and Ford, i felt literally crazy watching that video, waited for part 2 because surely they would mention something in part 2 and yep not a peep :/ And it makes me angry, because I've read a few comments on other sites except Tumblr, that oh BillFord thats obviously just a joke, like noooo... theyre were never together, they were just good friends, nothing lgbt about them, and im standing there like no wayyyy.. cuz for me its very clear that in TBOB, that this is suppose to represent an abusive relationship, like obviously?? so why cant it be queer? and why does it have to be that to be ''clear'' like does Ford basically have to turn to the camera and say yes i was in a absusive nonplatonic relationship with that triangle? for it to be canon?? like media literacy has truly gone down the drain TvT Anyway apologies for my ramble, I'm not the best at writing so I hope I was somewhat clear lmao! amazing video once again, been obsessed with this relationship since the book dropped haha
@@thesleepydragon9780 YES, this! It's like you've picked through my thoughts I've been ignoring but stewing! I'm sorry but they did not say, we all read separate parts and no one's read the whole book, guys, pleaaaassseeee! It's draining to click on their videos now, I used to watch each and every one of their videos but now I rarely watch a single one of their videos on a monthly basis and enjoy them. This is queer erasure, something that harms the queer community to a very large extent because 'it's not directly homophobic/transphobic' people who find no problem with this can range from uninformed or comfortably homophobic/transphobic. It does hurt the queer community. As aroace, I have read, watched, and researched throughout this topic because I have experienced this my entire life and told off as a snowflake, that it is not homophobic to allow queer erasure to continue, and that it's not even queer erasure. It's a struggle, especially with something I called a safe place for years.
I can totally get where you’re coming from. I actually made this video as some sort of response to the lack of people actually pointing out clear evidence of Bill and Ford’s non-platonic relationship within the pages of The Book of Bill. Which I find odd, because from the start Stanford was mentioned. Later I saw a lot of people making fair points in Tumblr and I got greatly inspired by them.
I Loved this vid, it made a lot of things cleaner for me, and I didn't actually knew why ppl was shipping Bill with Ford bc to me they were mortal emines who hate each other, Bill being an egoist supreme who doesn't can feel love (like he said in his book) and Ford being a scientist only wanting to understand paranormal, and I knew they used to be friends in the past, but I genually belived their relationship was more like a mix of best friends with manipulate stuff. I agree, ppl just can't or shouldn't act like this isn't cannon
Sooo many people are in denial about the contents of TBOB, friends don’t do the shit they do, Ford worshipped Bill like a God/Master like figure and the praise and devotion is not platonic whatsoever Loves these freaks
Wow a video about queer subtext that didn't say the words "Hays code" even once that's impressive Anyway great video I liked it and can't really think of anything I disagree with strongly enough to come to mind And now To quote the Gravity Falls shipping wiki "Through context clues it is confirmed their attraction is mutual, but whether this is platonic, romantic, or a third significantly worse and more alarming form of attraction is up to interpretation. But, recently Alex has said in the Book of bill that they are possibly canon as exes." Basically whether you think their relationship was romantic/sexual or not you can't deny there was something and I don't think you can call it platonic Billford everyone's favourite nightmare situationship Also you mentioned Hannigram and I need you to know that for weeks now I have been unable to escape the similarities connecting these ships in my mind (just 20 more days if it doesn't get delayed and I'll have the book of Bill finally)
The first thing that came to my mind when people tried to exclude any sort of non-platonic feelings dancing between Bill and Stanford was the fact that queer toxic relationships exist too, which is way even if we like it or not happened a lot in real life. Hannigram was the first queer canon relationship that came to my mind when thinking about this too.
@yugen3423 I would also like to add if I remember correctly and I could be wrong but I think one of the creators of the Hannibal TV show did say something about how it's not necessarily a romantic attraction between Will and Hannibal in the traditional sense but that it definitely isn't platonic but I could wrong
"they made each other feel important, which made them important to each other"
Exactly 👏
Bro Ford literally called Bill "𝓶𝔂 𝓶𝓾𝓼𝓮"
HAHAHAHA in italics too. Like bro, ain’t no way that’s platonic.
DUDE FINALLY SOMEONE MENTIONS ON HOW ABSOLUTELY NOT "JUST FRIENDS" BILLS INTRODUCTION TO FORD WAS, HOW COULD SOMEONE HEAR: "you can call me anything except late for dinner" AND THINK: "ah yes, very platonic, they were just work partners" LIKE I SWEAR PPL WHO SAY THAT LOOK LIKE HISTORIANS
I know! Right? It bothers me so much that people pointing out this evidence usually want to sell it as a “normal encounter”. When it’s obvious both of them were flirting!
@@yugen3423 YESSS, also thank you for pointing this stuff out because now i get to have even more evidence for the kids at my school who deny that bill and ford even were friends at all :D
I feel like billford isn’t platonic or romantic and is a secret third option that just doesn't have a word (or I just can't think of the word)
I know… It’s because I feel like usually for “romantic” to happened there has to be a romance, and I wouldn’t label Bill and Ford’s relationship as anything close to that. It’s just plainly abusive, so maybe there is some sort of twisted love but not the healthy type.
@yugen3423 Yeah, I feel like they definitely had an obsession with each other. Just the both of them don't come off as the romantic types. Ig another way to view it is as a religious relationship, bc it's similar to how you devote your life to God.
THIS IS SO GOOD BRO MY HYPERFIXIATION'S NEVER LOOKING AWAY
Mine neither ✨🫡
Yipee!!! I love it when someone's overqualified to talk about Billford! 🎉
Thanks, I feel grateful to have the honor. 🧘♀️✨
Toxic old men monster fucker yaoi?!?! Save us toxic old men monster fucker yaoi. (Also, just look at how Bill’a body language changes around Ford - the hand clasping, his eye seeming to get rounder like how a cat sees something they like, plus all the deleted scenes…..). Honestly Billford is one of the best depictions of abuse and toxic relationships in children’s media imo.
(I feel vindicated in defending Ford honestly, because one doesn’t build a gun specifically to destroy an old partner with the scope being their exact shape without having trauma from that relationship. Then Bill only turning Ford into gold, and everyone else, even those also in the cipher wheel/prophecy are turned into stone and put in the chair. Plus, I don’t know how people didn’t pick up on the fact that if Bill did all that damage to Dipper’s body in a few hours, what would he have done to Ford once the act dropped? Thanks to the book we have a more specific idea of what kind of damage Bill did, but it drove me nuts when people said Bill didn’t hurt Ford while possessing him!).
The Book of Bill has been an oasis of Gravity Falls content the fandom needed too. The book reignited millions of people in the fandom, and has brought in some of the best fan content I’ve seen in this fandom since it started (Billford causing some of the best AUs to ever come out of this fandom - Handyman Bill, Mr.Bill Pines, etc. I could go on forever. Alex Hirsch has made Gravity Falls is yaoi, as Toby Fox has made Undertale what it is to yuri - aka toxic yaoi vs healthy yuri).
Excellent video, I’m so happy people are actually making videos about it now! I’ve been dying to hear about a Billford retrospective or analysis from someone in the fandom who gets it!
is that a coleydoesthings ref?
@ yep. you caught me. (The phrase has definitely become part of my daily vocabulary though.)
@@AlexCorporations her gravity falls (new) vidio got me lol
@ it was the first retrospective on BoB and Billford that I when the book was still being decoded. Honestly, a bunch of stuff she said was so quotable that I use it in my daily life without realizing it.
Alex Hirsh is a great man honestly. He made history with Blubs and Durland, and now Bill and Stanford? This man has done more than the entertainment industry has since a century ago.
50 MINUTE LONG BILLFORD VIDEO YES Y4S YES YESSSS YES!!!! YES
BILLFORD NATION!!!!!
My girlfriend and I love the billford ship. We find it ironic and hilarious that we are literally the opposite of these two characters and still absolutely love them to bits and pieces
I can totally relate to you and your girlfriend! I actually find Ford a little bit relatable, but Bill is literally an antithesis of me. 😂🤣 Anyway, I really like these two characters. 😤👌✨
@yugen3423 Anytime anyone asks me to name a gay ship, this one comes up. And then I have to argue with them for twenty minutes because they have decided that Ford and Bill are "so obviously straight" and I just have to keep giving them a hard stare until they finally walk away. I get my copy of the book of bill on Saturday, so I'm prepared to make an entire slideshow with evidence to convince my friends and family that this ship is not as subtle as they thought. Its literally become a problem, to the point where they tell me every time I ship these two that 'Not everyone is gay' to which I reply, 'Not everyone is straight.' (sorry, longest ramble ever, you don't have to read this and if you did, sincerest of apologies, I'm working on a fan and it's taking 30 years to complete because of lineart struggles and I'm very bored).
NEEDED THIS THANK YOU
lovely video! Not really related, but it made me think of the two videos from film theory about gravity falls... I've kinda stopped enjoyed their content, because everytime they brush on a subject I know a bit more about, they seem to get stuff wrong..
Which was the case with their videos on TBOB. The first video goes into a ton of detail, explaining that Bill has an ex-girlfriend, which could be the Oracle, but doesnt even have a vague mention of BillFord and im standing there like no way, they make a theory, about bill and the oracle being exes, which okay... and even saying the book main theme is relationships, but then dont mention the very (imo) obvious links of a toxic relationship between Bill and Ford, i felt literally crazy watching that video, waited for part 2 because surely they would mention something in part 2 and yep not a peep :/
And it makes me angry, because I've read a few comments on other sites except Tumblr, that oh BillFord thats obviously just a joke, like noooo... theyre were never together, they were just good friends, nothing lgbt about them, and im standing there like no wayyyy.. cuz for me its very clear that in TBOB, that this is suppose to represent an abusive relationship, like obviously?? so why cant it be queer? and why does it have to be that to be ''clear'' like does Ford basically have to turn to the camera and say yes i was in a absusive nonplatonic relationship with that triangle? for it to be canon?? like media literacy has truly gone down the drain TvT
Anyway apologies for my ramble, I'm not the best at writing so I hope I was somewhat clear lmao! amazing video once again, been obsessed with this relationship since the book dropped haha
@@thesleepydragon9780 YES, this! It's like you've picked through my thoughts I've been ignoring but stewing!
I'm sorry but they did not say, we all read separate parts and no one's read the whole book, guys, pleaaaassseeee! It's draining to click on their videos now, I used to watch each and every one of their videos but now I rarely watch a single one of their videos on a monthly basis and enjoy them.
This is queer erasure, something that harms the queer community to a very large extent because 'it's not directly homophobic/transphobic' people who find no problem with this can range from uninformed or comfortably homophobic/transphobic. It does hurt the queer community.
As aroace, I have read, watched, and researched throughout this topic because I have experienced this my entire life and told off as a snowflake, that it is not homophobic to allow queer erasure to continue, and that it's not even queer erasure.
It's a struggle, especially with something I called a safe place for years.
I can totally get where you’re coming from. I actually made this video as some sort of response to the lack of people actually pointing out clear evidence of Bill and Ford’s non-platonic relationship within the pages of The Book of Bill. Which I find odd, because from the start Stanford was mentioned. Later I saw a lot of people making fair points in Tumblr and I got greatly inspired by them.
I Loved this vid, it made a lot of things cleaner for me, and I didn't actually knew why ppl was shipping Bill with Ford bc to me they were mortal emines who hate each other, Bill being an egoist supreme who doesn't can feel love (like he said in his book) and Ford being a scientist only wanting to understand paranormal, and I knew they used to be friends in the past, but I genually belived their relationship was more like a mix of best friends with manipulate stuff. I agree, ppl just can't or shouldn't act like this isn't cannon
I’m glad I could help 😊
Sooo many people are in denial about the contents of TBOB, friends don’t do the shit they do, Ford worshipped Bill like a God/Master like figure and the praise and devotion is not platonic whatsoever
Loves these freaks
Love these freaks too 💕
I immediately saw this and began coughing nervously. Everyone is the room gave me weird stares.
yum :3 (i have horrible social skills, but in other words this was neat! :D)
Thanks a lot 🙏✨
Wow a video about queer subtext that didn't say the words "Hays code" even once that's impressive
Anyway great video I liked it and can't really think of anything I disagree with strongly enough to come to mind
And now To quote the Gravity Falls shipping wiki
"Through context clues it is confirmed their attraction is mutual, but whether this is platonic, romantic, or a third significantly worse and more alarming form of attraction is up to interpretation. But, recently Alex has said in the Book of bill that they are possibly canon as exes."
Basically whether you think their relationship was romantic/sexual or not you can't deny there was something and I don't think you can call it platonic
Billford everyone's favourite nightmare situationship
Also you mentioned Hannigram and I need you to know that for weeks now I have been unable to escape the similarities connecting these ships in my mind
(just 20 more days if it doesn't get delayed and I'll have the book of Bill finally)
The first thing that came to my mind when people tried to exclude any sort of non-platonic feelings dancing between Bill and Stanford was the fact that queer toxic relationships exist too, which is way even if we like it or not happened a lot in real life. Hannigram was the first queer canon relationship that came to my mind when thinking about this too.
@yugen3423 I would also like to add if I remember correctly and I could be wrong but I think one of the creators of the Hannibal TV show did say something about how it's not necessarily a romantic attraction between Will and Hannibal in the traditional sense but that it definitely isn't platonic
but I could wrong
I have nothing to say but hey neato neato vid :33
Thanks a lot 🧘♀️✨
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