@@independentblackmage6442 There's a reason why lower angels look like bondage slaves and upper angels look like robots... Unless you're into that shit.
@@atomnum9 YHVH attempted to helm an absolute uniform society where everyone lives in blissful ignorance. Human nature itself dictates that no one can be truly satisfied with an unchanging world.
@Dominotik Ivan Tulovskiy So what if he did Law routes in SMT? When someone does neutral or chaos, it's ok, but when someone does Law route, then it's not right to do it?
@@PebblepantsTV Speaking of VA jokes, in japanese dub YHVH is Sigma. So it would be better if YHVH has Sigma-like power armor and a lightsaber. i.redd.it/555lc5jq70p41.png
you know, Jevhova's Witnesses aren't true followers of God. then again, neither is the strawman calling itself "God" that is this game's final boss, or the so-called "angels" working for it...
As someone who grew up going to a Christian congregational church, I've long known the story of a supreme and benevolent Creator loved His free-thinking creations so much that He made a human version of Himself and through him suffered painful mortality for their sake. He made Himself experience as limited an existence as such an unlimited being could possibly be, all in order to try and coexist with His creation in a way that made some semblance of any dang sense. He loved humanity THAT much. Rather than the literal story itself, that message of love has always been my primary takeaway, the idea that loving someone or something means becoming a part of their lives and vice versa, getting involved and putting their needs before your own comfort, and in so doing making the world that much better. To me, what matters isn't calling the goodness of reality by a certain name or insisting a certain backstory is canon. What matters is taking in reality, warts and all, and still deciding to keep on being a part of it and everyone else in it around us. That, to me, is the heart of the entity we refer to as "God". This version of YHVH is, therefore, not the same "God" by that nickname from that story (or rather, my interpretation of it) any more than this Dagda or that Krishna are the same beings as THEIR sources, and that's the whole point. It is, in-universe, an empty simulacrum of the famous nickname and seemingly-supreme power with NONE of the heart (he made everyone in the world fodder for a glorified game of friggin' Solitaire just to build up a fan club). And this is why it fell to their rejections so easily. Because it was only the branding and none of the substance. But the catch is, I admit, that even what I think of as "God" is itself just another interpretation of reality just like this thing claiming to be the real YHVH. And that's my other takeaway from this story; that I need to live with the possibility that I might be wrong, and accept it if that turns out to be proven.
Based! All faiths and a lack of faith are all equally valid. The main thing is that we all help each other out, help achieve our dreams, and make the world a better place. :)
I like all the debates and discussions this is creating in the comments, all surprisingly civilised compared to what I expect from comments. Interesting to read despite my relative lack of knowledge about religions Although I'd like to bring up something (that you probably know already.) that YHVH isn't THE God in SMT, he's a corrupted of avatar of the great will, which is more akin to the idea of an benevolent, all-powerful being or force like the God in judeo-christianity
@@TangensROH not sure if I genuinely upset you, because it's hard to convey tone via text, but I wasn't trying to be mean or anything. I was trying to be funny, not meanspirited. Sorry if you were also messing around and I look like a goober
@@no64256 It's ok. I misunderstood your intentions, so no need to worry. I just can't help that YHVH being the final boss villain gives me headache. It would be better if a battle against him was to test people, something like "You want to prove your power? Then fight me and if you win, I will bless you." or something like that.
Who knows ? But what would this being have to fear from us ? God exists in a dimensional plan above us. Our knowledge and wisdom is incredibly limited.
@@JabamiLain It would have been even more limited, if not for Lucifer's gift. Yes, if you actually paid attention about the Garden of Eden, in the beginning, humans did not have eternal life _nor_ divine Knowledge. After eating the Fruit, humans gained Knowledge, and Yahweh decided to do that guilt-trip thing where he said that he _would have_ given you a thing that he's not going to now, but chances are that he was never planning to.
Cool concept, but I don't find plausible that a bunch of teens can best God in a philosophical debate, it's like edgy 14 year old atheists arguing against a consumed theologian and master rhetor, but then, this is SMT and God has been beaten by dancing furiously, kicking and slashing so...
well to be fair, all that god has really said for himself since forever was that you should listen to him or he's gonna do bad things to you, from my impression of him in the bible he controlled people solely through power rather than anything else so it makes sense that as long as they can punch him in the face and deny his power he can't cope
I love it! They are products of the world they grew up in, and life expectancy isn’t very high, where being wishy-washy was a death sentence. Nozomi makes a great point about no new Gods, how the old Gods literally demonized and everything they represented (nature, locations, resources) devalued, basically teaching people not to value anything around them but an unseeable entity. Promising a magical new place so the disregard of the current place and everything in it a “temptation of sin,” things that will lead you astray. Ignoring the starving, the destruction, while thinking it is part of a greater plan that you shouldn’t meddle in. It’s not younger generations being apathetic or self centered all the time, but outdated rhetoric, holy “traditions” of pomp, and promises of answers without knowledge or experience. It’s easy to scoff at, but there are people that excuse awful behavior or even perpetuate them on others, as they preach “knowing their place in God’s plan.” Like all systems of slavery, knowledge of any kind will ruin a slave, so keep them ignorant always.
I mean, I don't sense anything philosophical in YHVH words. They feel more like empty promises, empty promises that the protagonists detail how much of a liar is him Edit: And I think in the biblical lore, God created humanity as his image, I think. Don't count me on that
@@wister8528 I can see your point, however, YHVH is a bit of a tropey representation of the actual God, who is sometimes harsh and sometimes benevolent, mostly because the nature of pure good is beyond our mortal judgement and understanding, and goodness isn't just being nice, but at times requires a heavy hand.
Just about most of the Megaten games the Messiah is a Teenager around 16 years old or slightly older like around 21 or so, Strange Journey being a exception of this as I think Doom Guy is close to 30 or something.
What I got from this series, its a game based on a gnostic universe without a Christ Messiah in it. A total shit show where you try and lead it to some sort of end (glad its not that way IRL). Anyways, Merry Christmas everyone!
@@Chase-uy9lv When you do your research, you realize angels in theology have free will, thats how they were able to even fall. There is no way they could of beat God, but rather God allowed them to continue existing. In the game the angels look like machines, but in reality they are not. Like the fallen angels, they (the other angels) made a choice to stay. Even in the bible demons are not killed, but at war for territory, plans, and corruption. They are in a way still working for God, my sources: Book of Job (satan goes to heaven and challenges God), Book of Daniel (Michael speaks to Daniel that he struggled against the Prince [principality] of Peraia), and Solomon's Testament, and Book of Enoch (Why the flood happened).
it's a classic story of God being demonized, Satan being glorified, and both being lesser than some "true god" who's primary message is that humans don't need gods and can do anything with their own strength.
@@isaacvr6947 Angels having free will is a christian thing, in judaism, angels have no free will and Satan's whole shenanigans is done under God's orders.
@@isaacvr6947 Exactly, evil is almost created to be a counter because of sin. I’d like to think that’s how God gave us free will, without us actually be intended to sin, even though God had a plan because he knew we were going to sin. It’s an interesting spin of things in the game because we know that if the YHWH presented in SMT was an accurate version of God, how would you even be able to defeat him, I find it all very interesting
So Toki's English VA also voices Sothis in the English version of 3 Houses. So when Toki tells off YHVH, I just imagine Sothis doing it, so that it's a god telling off another god.
My most favorite thing I do in this fight is bringing the Divine powers, Satan, and the Fiends, Metatron in this. For outfit I wear either the Law outfit or Chaos.
I thought it was cool, the endings just didn't gel with the rest of the game's themes. The anarchy route is super well written, but it really is jarring to go from happy shounen apocalypse anime to killing all of your friends. Especially since Dagda's nihilism is incredibly unconvincing at that point. The bonds route doesn't really make a whole lot of sense, especially some of these rejections feel like non-sequiturs, but it fits a lot more in tone with the rest of the game.
@@thomaswood8405 I mean in what way were they non sequiturs? Pretty much all of them related to the experiences that seen throughout the game, especially Gaston.
@@dailydoseofvitaminc6565 Because so many of them make almost zero sense in context. Why is Asahi talking about like she's breaking away away from YHVH when she was never a part of his flock? Most of these characters weren't even aware of YHVH or his machinations until VERY recently. Gaston talks like YHVH is some sort of overbearing parent gone mad, but YHVH is a deliberately cruel god that uses an iron fist in order to fuel his own conception. Why did he bring up love at all? Hallelujah is a refutation of what YHVH is saying, but not what he is. What YHVH does is that he embodies the concept of a savior, and through that he gains a massive amount of power that he was able to reduce all other demons while propping himself up. Nozomi just talks. Nothing said that's wrong, but nothing that contradicts YHVH. "No other gods can emerge with YHVH reigning." Yeah Nozomi, that was literally his expressed game plan. Not exactly a hot take. Navarre is the only one that REALLY works as he was a minion raised by YHVH's cult. His refutation works because he directly defies something YHVH stands for. Naming YHVH an unclean one is an inversion of YHVH's truth. Toki works to a lesser extent, but the Ring of Gaea was always anti YHVH, believing in the concept of personal strength. It's thematically appropriate. Part of what's undermining it is her simping master schtick which kinda falls under YHVH's messiahnism umbrella. Only Gaston and Toki should have really affected YHVH, but that's not really enough. What should happen is YHVH comes back into reality because all the citizens of Tokyo and the Eastern Kingom of Mikado are still believing in Flynn and Nanashi as saviors, which should probably end up with Nanashi and Flynn suffering the same fate as Aleph; and endless cycle of reincarnation under cruel circumstances. The refutations work on the massacre route because it's soft implied that you're pretty much the last human on the planet. Nanshi denying YHVH works because Nanshi is the last remaining source YHVH can draw power from. Once Nanashi defeats him, he can supplant YHVH, but the same can't be said in the bonds route.
Matthew 5:3-7, 9-12 (KJV) Blessed are the poor in spirit: for their's is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted. Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for their's is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
Im probably gonna start a shitstorm but these arent really great arguments. On toki's point for example, i dont know anyone who thinks God's forgiveness means you can do whatever you want as long as you tell God youre sorry. You have to actually repent. Gaston's argument is really more against the self righteousness of some but not all believers than anything. YHVH could pretty easily defend himself on some of these. But yeah its just a game.
@@christopherbravo1813 His arguments would have no strength and be baseless, because that is what they have been for thousands of years as people try to justify everything using mental gymnastics to explain away why the atrocities done by God and in his name are "ackshully" good things.
@@Entropic_Alloy again, people argue about "oh, God is evil" without giving any examples as to *why.* honestly, why do you argue about God's morality so much? if you don't believe that God exists, why bother trying to convince people that He is evil? if you do believe God exists, then what do you hope to accomplish by turning people against Him? God is eternal and all-powerful. no one can surpass Him.
@@christopherbravo1813 If God is All-Powerful, All-Knowing and Omni-Benevolent, Evil cannot exist. That has been the unchecked argument for over a millennium. The best you people can manage is claiming that Evil is just the lack of Good before immediately forgetting that rationalization as you personify Evil yourselves through Demons. You are the ones who assert the existence of Evil more than anyone, and yet you lie about it whenever it’s inconvenient.
@@trutyatces8699 that's the thing. demons aren't the embodiments of evil. they're the closest to being embodiments of evil that we will ever know, but they can't be considered to truly embody evil. I mean, for crying out loud they all used to be good!
But for real i literally never see "Jesus botherers" (nice nickname for us btw) getting upset at this game. Maybe if fox news found out about it but yeah
@@jonaha502 well, I don't know what a "Jesus botherer" is, but this game makes me pretty upset-though to be honest, I'm mostly upset because of how horrible it is.
Apparently in SMT, YHVH is totally different from God himself, referred to as the Great Will. At least, that's what the other comments are saying. Maybe just stick to Persona if it makes you uncomfortable.
@@christopherbravo1813 Close. Basically, the damage threshold before the Damaged YHVH phase becomes significantly higher if you fail to deny YHVH all the way through
@@christopherbravo1813, how much of the Bible has to be considered Non-Canon for the Father to be seen as anything other than Evil? His amorality and extremism can be felt even in the New Testament based around his Son born specifically to die.
@@trutyatces8699 His Son-who is also God Himself (I and the Father are One)-died so that God wouldn't have to continuously punish us for our own horrible deeds. God doesn't punish good. only evil.
Yeah, your right YHVH isn't supposed to be evil here, in smt2 he was just had a conflict of interest and Kaneko did say he is not suppose to be evil, IVa just took all of the nuance and threw it all away by making him just evilman. Christopher Bravo that 's smt for yeah, most law endings suck, the only good law end is in SJ redux where it goes somewhat humanist for smt
As a relatively recent atheist coming back and playing this fight after years of blindly following this tyrant irl was one of the most therapeutic and cathartic moments of my life especially denying his divine attributes. Smt as a whole helped me come to terms with my loss of faith and I am forever grateful that these niche little games exist
My man, if God is a tyrant then He does in fact exist. If God exists you cannot be an Atheist, as Atheism by definition is the belief that there is not, has not, and never will be any god of any kind. Of course if God *doesn't* exist then He cannot be a tyrant, as He Himself has not done anything either good or evil.
"You would slander His name? Debase Him? Denigrate the One who created the very world we inhabit? To impugn Him is to impugn existence itself! you would be tying your own rope! and yet, despite our ignorance, He still loves us and calls us His children. repent, and your sins shall be forgiven. He offers His hand to any and all who believe in Him. have faith, and you shall receive His blessing."
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You deny YHVH's existence
"Lalalala I can't hear you!"
What if god wanted to let you into heaven but you went, "Lalalala I can't hear you!"
@@independentblackmage6442 There's a reason why lower angels look like bondage slaves and upper angels look like robots... Unless you're into that shit.
@@DarkAdonisVyers yeah, it's because Atlus' design team has never read the Bible.
@@christopherbravo1813 Oh, yes, they have. They understand nuances that other portrayals do not. Like how "Satan" does not necessarily mean Lucifer.
@@DarkAdonisVyers Sounds more like they're good at making shit up and acting like they're authorities on the source material for doing so.
Imagine a christian mom buying this game for his son with a 3ds knowing its a nintendo childrens game
Where is The Fox News, when you need them? The sequel to the satanic panic would be epic.
YVHV did nothing wrong and humanity asked for it
@@atomnum9
YHVH attempted to helm an absolute uniform society where everyone lives in blissful ignorance. Human nature itself dictates that no one can be truly satisfied with an unchanging world.
@Dominotik Ivan Tulovskiy nope, totally justified
@Dominotik Ivan Tulovskiy So what if he did Law routes in SMT? When someone does neutral or chaos, it's ok, but when someone does Law route, then it's not right to do it?
Didn't knew Sir Patrick Stewart was God in SMT canon...
i can barely hear rigby in his voice its so fucking weird
@@PebblepantsTV Speaking of VA jokes, in japanese dub YHVH is Sigma. So it would be better if YHVH has Sigma-like power armor and a lightsaber. i.redd.it/555lc5jq70p41.png
Well he was God in Persona (Kagutsuchi)
Damn, Gaston roasting was pretty savage
No one roasts like Gaston.
He's spitting poison directly at YHVH's mouth
@@Ninja07Keaton I read that in kikoska's voice
@@Ninja07Keaton scoffs the most like Gaston
What a cringe. Just like every of those kids.
As a expelled Jehova’s witness, this was so such a satisfying battle. For that, Nanashi is the goat
Yo what happened to you?
What's the story?
I'm just here to read what he will answer, ignore me please.
Gonna need your origin story please
you know, Jevhova's Witnesses aren't true followers of God. then again, neither is the strawman calling itself "God" that is this game's final boss, or the so-called "angels" working for it...
> What will you deny?
>> "If YHVH is so great, then why isn't there a YHVH 2?"
> ...
**CRACK**
For the baldness of YHVH, did you really have to? It's such a dry joke. Now excuse me, I'll have to go to get some drink.
SMT 4A YHVH is technically YHVH 2
>> "i win you lose bye bye"
*CRACK*
why would there be a YHVH 2 if the first one was so great?
Fr we need a sequal to yhvh
*YHVH's salvation was rejected*
Yep my salvation is right
One more god rejected!
Am bug inside you
I'm the Lord and savior.
I have you back to the wall
Fear
Survived the fall from grace
"I reject your reality and substitute it with my own!"
SAO Abridged reference POG?
@@christopherbravo1813 Noooo, myth busters.
@@dr.bright620 oh. for a moment there, I was so happy...
Mr. Clean has ascended 🙏
I saw a mr clean box when I went to get my covid vaccine, holy shit the resemblance truly is uncanny
Lmao
Demi-fiend would be proud.
Same said for Naoya,, and he's been alive (through reincarnation over and over again) for a long ass time.
Demi-Fiend's enemy is the Great Will, not YHVH.
@@christopherbravo1813 isn't YHVH the great will avatar or smt?
@@shadowthehedgehog2351 he went rouge. the Great Will hates him.
Indeed
Demi-fiend: *Fight YHVH with all of his strength. Get steamrolled*
Meanwhile Nanashi: *Ratio YHVH to death*
"Demi-fiend: Fight YHVH with all of his strength. Get steamrolled" When did it happen?
As someone who grew up going to a Christian congregational church, I've long known the story of a supreme and benevolent Creator loved His free-thinking creations so much that He made a human version of Himself and through him suffered painful mortality for their sake. He made Himself experience as limited an existence as such an unlimited being could possibly be, all in order to try and coexist with His creation in a way that made some semblance of any dang sense. He loved humanity THAT much.
Rather than the literal story itself, that message of love has always been my primary takeaway, the idea that loving someone or something means becoming a part of their lives and vice versa, getting involved and putting their needs before your own comfort, and in so doing making the world that much better.
To me, what matters isn't calling the goodness of reality by a certain name or insisting a certain backstory is canon. What matters is taking in reality, warts and all, and still deciding to keep on being a part of it and everyone else in it around us. That, to me, is the heart of the entity we refer to as "God".
This version of YHVH is, therefore, not the same "God" by that nickname from that story (or rather, my interpretation of it) any more than this Dagda or that Krishna are the same beings as THEIR sources, and that's the whole point. It is, in-universe, an empty simulacrum of the famous nickname and seemingly-supreme power with NONE of the heart (he made everyone in the world fodder for a glorified game of friggin' Solitaire just to build up a fan club). And this is why it fell to their rejections so easily. Because it was only the branding and none of the substance.
But the catch is, I admit, that even what I think of as "God" is itself just another interpretation of reality just like this thing claiming to be the real YHVH. And that's my other takeaway from this story; that I need to live with the possibility that I might be wrong, and accept it if that turns out to be proven.
Based! All faiths and a lack of faith are all equally valid. The main thing is that we all help each other out, help achieve our dreams, and make the world a better place. :)
Great breakdown.
Not going to lie, Lv. 82 Nanashi with over 3000 hit points is a sight to behold
Me:starts playing smt4 Apokalypse
Yt’s reccomendation system: HeY dO yOu WaNt SpOiLeIrS?
He gonna get rejected again
ONE MORE GOD REJECTED
@@Redox_Rajox2628 I prefer ONE MORE HUMAN REJECTED
@@christopherbravo1813 man you fighting for your life this is SMT not some r/atheist thread
@@daisakukuze9627 what's the difference?
@@christopherbravo1813 everyday,a couple of humans got rejected
I like all the debates and discussions this is creating in the comments, all surprisingly civilised compared to what I expect from comments. Interesting to read despite my relative lack of knowledge about religions
Although I'd like to bring up something (that you probably know already.) that YHVH isn't THE God in SMT, he's a corrupted of avatar of the great will, which is more akin to the idea of an benevolent, all-powerful being or force like the God in judeo-christianity
YHVH is God to me, not axiom.
@@TangensROH Lemonhead
@@no64256 Don't care. I play these games, so I can obey YHVH.
@@TangensROH not sure if I genuinely upset you, because it's hard to convey tone via text, but I wasn't trying to be mean or anything. I was trying to be funny, not meanspirited. Sorry if you were also messing around and I look like a goober
@@no64256 It's ok. I misunderstood your intentions, so no need to worry. I just can't help that YHVH being the final boss villain gives me headache. It would be better if a battle against him was to test people, something like "You want to prove your power? Then fight me and if you win, I will bless you." or something like that.
Here's a quote from Spy Kids 2
Do you think that God stays in heaven because he too lives in fear of what he has created?
Who knows ? But what would this being have to fear from us ? God exists in a dimensional plan above us. Our knowledge and wisdom is incredibly limited.
@@JabamiLain It would have been even more limited, if not for Lucifer's gift. Yes, if you actually paid attention about the Garden of Eden, in the beginning, humans did not have eternal life _nor_ divine Knowledge. After eating the Fruit, humans gained Knowledge, and Yahweh decided to do that guilt-trip thing where he said that he _would have_ given you a thing that he's not going to now, but chances are that he was never planning to.
Cool concept, but I don't find plausible that a bunch of teens can best God in a philosophical debate, it's like edgy 14 year old atheists arguing against a consumed theologian and master rhetor, but then, this is SMT and God has been beaten by dancing furiously, kicking and slashing so...
Yeah I love this game but it was mad funny seeing teenagers + Navarre spouting r/athiest rhetoric
well to be fair, all that god has really said for himself since forever was that you should listen to him or he's gonna do bad things to you, from my impression of him in the bible he controlled people solely through power rather than anything else so it makes sense that as long as they can punch him in the face and deny his power he can't cope
I love it! They are products of the world they grew up in, and life expectancy isn’t very high, where being wishy-washy was a death sentence.
Nozomi makes a great point about no new Gods, how the old Gods literally demonized and everything they represented (nature, locations, resources) devalued, basically teaching people not to value anything around them but an unseeable entity. Promising a magical new place so the disregard of the current place and everything in it a “temptation of sin,” things that will lead you astray. Ignoring the starving, the destruction, while thinking it is part of a greater plan that you shouldn’t meddle in.
It’s not younger generations being apathetic or self centered all the time, but outdated rhetoric, holy “traditions” of pomp, and promises of answers without knowledge or experience. It’s easy to scoff at, but there are people that excuse awful behavior or even perpetuate them on others, as they preach “knowing their place in God’s plan.” Like all systems of slavery, knowledge of any kind will ruin a slave, so keep them ignorant always.
I mean, I don't sense anything philosophical in YHVH words. They feel more like empty promises, empty promises that the protagonists detail how much of a liar is him
Edit: And I think in the biblical lore, God created humanity as his image, I think. Don't count me on that
@@wister8528 I can see your point, however, YHVH is a bit of a tropey representation of the actual God, who is sometimes harsh and sometimes benevolent, mostly because the nature of pure good is beyond our mortal judgement and understanding, and goodness isn't just being nice, but at times requires a heavy hand.
10:30
The original sin
Is that a callout to Aleph? (SMT2/3)
Likely not. The original sin was the sin of Adam eating from the forbidden tree.
Nah aleph committed the what YHWH called the ultimate sin
It began with Adam.
Even though Aleph is Law, he PERFECTED sin.
Demi-Fiend didn't incur any wrath with YHVH, and both those games have nothing to do with this one.
Of course an 14 year old can kill god
Nanashi has been born as a messiah
Just about most of the Megaten games the Messiah is a Teenager around 16 years old or slightly older like around 21 or so, Strange Journey being a exception of this as I think Doom Guy is close to 30 or something.
@@dantemustdie00 aleph is like 10 y/o lmao
he only did it because Dagda was filling him up with zombie juice and anti-God propaganda.
@@christopherbravo1813 In fact, Dagda's daughter(Brigid) decided to be a pawn of god, so he is pissed and reclute a 15y/o to be his godslayer.
@@HazelSeerBB Aleph is literally engineered to be a messiah tho, so it's not really comparable
What I got from this series, its a game based on a gnostic universe without a Christ Messiah in it. A total shit show where you try and lead it to some sort of end (glad its not that way IRL). Anyways, Merry Christmas everyone!
That’s exactly what I think too. People acting like SMT anti religion or it’s demonic are on something else. It’s literally just a work of fiction 😌
@@Chase-uy9lv When you do your research, you realize angels in theology have free will, thats how they were able to even fall. There is no way they could of beat God, but rather God allowed them to continue existing. In the game the angels look like machines, but in reality they are not. Like the fallen angels, they (the other angels) made a choice to stay. Even in the bible demons are not killed, but at war for territory, plans, and corruption. They are in a way still working for God, my sources: Book of Job (satan goes to heaven and challenges God), Book of Daniel (Michael speaks to Daniel that he struggled against the Prince [principality] of Peraia), and Solomon's Testament, and Book of Enoch (Why the flood happened).
it's a classic story of God being demonized, Satan being glorified, and both being lesser than some "true god" who's primary message is that humans don't need gods and can do anything with their own strength.
@@isaacvr6947 Angels having free will is a christian thing, in judaism, angels have no free will and Satan's whole shenanigans is done under God's orders.
@@isaacvr6947 Exactly, evil is almost created to be a counter because of sin. I’d like to think that’s how God gave us free will, without us actually be intended to sin, even though God had a plan because he knew we were going to sin. It’s an interesting spin of things in the game because we know that if the YHWH presented in SMT was an accurate version of God, how would you even be able to defeat him, I find it all very interesting
"You don't exist to me!!"
(Lady Gaga's Poker Face plays)
Nanashi sashays away leaving YHWH ✨obliterated✨
what happens if you accept be his servant?
I read somewhere that he basically kills you if you choose that
Yeah apparently I too also read it somewhere in tv tropes accepting that choice he insta kills you.
"If you can deny YHVH's words, you can strip him of his divinity"
Atheists and people of different religions: *Smirking*
YHVH: I'm God
Sandy: *NO YOU AIN'T*
The Axioms Narcissism got away from it and now creates realities filled with "subjects" it demands constantly fuel that narcissism.
So Toki's English VA also voices Sothis in the English version of 3 Houses. So when Toki tells off YHVH, I just imagine Sothis doing it, so that it's a god telling off another god.
YHVH- *Big talk from someone who's descendants are inbred.*
@@christopherbravo1813 How did Adam's and Eve's kids get married?
@@DarkAdonisVyers I have no idea. How did life originate from unliving particles?
My most favorite thing I do in this fight is bringing the Divine powers, Satan, and the Fiends, Metatron in this.
For outfit I wear either the Law outfit or Chaos.
Damn
"To impwn me is to impwn existence itself..."
-YHWH
"You *DON'T* exist, but I do, and my existence is more important!"
*CRACK*
@@joshuabergman3292 Path to CHIM.
I don't care what anyone says, i thought this game was great, at least anarchy route. Flawed, but still great. Just like nocturne.
I honestly really liked bonds too. Handled the idea of human connections being vital but not solely relied on better than other games I’ve played
I thought it was cool, the endings just didn't gel with the rest of the game's themes. The anarchy route is super well written, but it really is jarring to go from happy shounen apocalypse anime to killing all of your friends. Especially since Dagda's nihilism is incredibly unconvincing at that point. The bonds route doesn't really make a whole lot of sense, especially some of these rejections feel like non-sequiturs, but it fits a lot more in tone with the rest of the game.
@@thomaswood8405 I mean in what way were they non sequiturs? Pretty much all of them related to the experiences that seen throughout the game, especially Gaston.
@@dailydoseofvitaminc6565 Because so many of them make almost zero sense in context. Why is Asahi talking about like she's breaking away away from YHVH when she was never a part of his flock? Most of these characters weren't even aware of YHVH or his machinations until VERY recently.
Gaston talks like YHVH is some sort of overbearing parent gone mad, but YHVH is a deliberately cruel god that uses an iron fist in order to fuel his own conception. Why did he bring up love at all?
Hallelujah is a refutation of what YHVH is saying, but not what he is. What YHVH does is that he embodies the concept of a savior, and through that he gains a massive amount of power that he was able to reduce all other demons while propping himself up.
Nozomi just talks. Nothing said that's wrong, but nothing that contradicts YHVH. "No other gods can emerge with YHVH reigning." Yeah Nozomi, that was literally his expressed game plan. Not exactly a hot take.
Navarre is the only one that REALLY works as he was a minion raised by YHVH's cult. His refutation works because he directly defies something YHVH stands for. Naming YHVH an unclean one is an inversion of YHVH's truth.
Toki works to a lesser extent, but the Ring of Gaea was always anti YHVH, believing in the concept of personal strength. It's thematically appropriate. Part of what's undermining it is her simping master schtick which kinda falls under YHVH's messiahnism umbrella.
Only Gaston and Toki should have really affected YHVH, but that's not really enough. What should happen is YHVH comes back into reality because all the citizens of Tokyo and the Eastern Kingom of Mikado are still believing in Flynn and Nanashi as saviors, which should probably end up with Nanashi and Flynn suffering the same fate as Aleph; and endless cycle of reincarnation under cruel circumstances.
The refutations work on the massacre route because it's soft implied that you're pretty much the last human on the planet. Nanshi denying YHVH works because Nanshi is the last remaining source YHVH can draw power from. Once Nanashi defeats him, he can supplant YHVH, but the same can't be said in the bonds route.
@@thomaswood8405 Before even rewatching the video, first thing that pops out to me is that I that i think you confused Navarre’s refusal with Gaston’s
As a former christian, i found this battle satisfying
as a current Christian, I pray for your soul and that you realize that THIS FLOATING STRAWMAN ISN'T OUR GOD!
@@christopherbravo1813 it is based on god
@@MFool64 it is named after God and quotes God, but that is where the similarities come to an end, my friend.
@@christopherbravo1813 there are other similiarities, like evilness
@@MFool64 except God isn't evil.
This is one of the most blasphemous things I've ever seen, I love it.
Matthew 5:3-7, 9-12 (KJV) Blessed are the poor in spirit: for their's is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for their's is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
This man speaks the truth.
You forgot this: Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.
All of that has been rejected
@@GameXenoZero64 pretty sure that YHVH in SMT is just a fragment of the real God, known as the Great Will in SMT. He's probably a false God.
@@micahlindley7515 the Great Will is still evil.
dagda : you so called truth make nauseous enough of this kid put an end him with own two hands
"what is truth?"
-Pontius Pilate
@@christopherbravo1813 Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.
@@DarkAdonisVyers okay edgelord Atheist brat. you're not original, you're not a free thinker, and you're not even free period.
Sounds like they hired r/atheism posters to write these lines lol
Totally
As opposed to Bible thumpers?
Attack and Dethrone God!
*you can't dethrone God if he doesn't sit on a throne to begin with*
YHVH, not the Great Will, who is actually God.
hah, this is a helpful video for anyone still playing the game
"I'm here to help!"
*Miss* *Miss* *Miss*
Welp, time to sweep up all this glass.
These scenes are an atheist's wet dream
Just here to hear Toki deny YHVH.
Yellow head
rejec
ONE MORE GOD REJECTED
Most blasphemous game out there
Fuck yeah!
Based and redpilled
*One more God rejected*
Offer a nintendo switch
Im probably gonna start a shitstorm but these arent really great arguments. On toki's point for example, i dont know anyone who thinks God's forgiveness means you can do whatever you want as long as you tell God youre sorry. You have to actually repent. Gaston's argument is really more against the self righteousness of some but not all believers than anything. YHVH could pretty easily defend himself on some of these. But yeah its just a game.
I think this game would be so much better if YHVH actually responded to the arguments they made.
@@christopherbravo1813 His arguments would have no strength and be baseless, because that is what they have been for thousands of years as people try to justify everything using mental gymnastics to explain away why the atrocities done by God and in his name are "ackshully" good things.
@@Entropic_Alloy again, people argue about "oh, God is evil" without giving any examples as to *why.* honestly, why do you argue about God's morality so much? if you don't believe that God exists, why bother trying to convince people that He is evil? if you do believe God exists, then what do you hope to accomplish by turning people against Him? God is eternal and all-powerful. no one can surpass Him.
@@christopherbravo1813 If God is All-Powerful, All-Knowing and Omni-Benevolent, Evil cannot exist. That has been the unchecked argument for over a millennium. The best you people can manage is claiming that Evil is just the lack of Good before immediately forgetting that rationalization as you personify Evil yourselves through Demons. You are the ones who assert the existence of Evil more than anyone, and yet you lie about it whenever it’s inconvenient.
@@trutyatces8699 that's the thing. demons aren't the embodiments of evil. they're the closest to being embodiments of evil that we will ever know, but they can't be considered to truly embody evil. I mean, for crying out loud they all used to be good!
Oh no i hste that Boss my fight going over 8h
One more
God rejected
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@@r3zaful Fear God and give glory to Him!
@@bloodtyrantryu659 For the hour of his judgement,
@@odinlindeberg4624 Has come, to you, NOW!
Huh. It's the Beatitudes.
Every time a YHVH vid goes up on UA-cam the weirdo Jesus botherers start commenting.
This is how it should be. It makes me glad.
Better than being a redditor lol
But for real i literally never see "Jesus botherers" (nice nickname for us btw) getting upset at this game. Maybe if fox news found out about it but yeah
@@jonaha502 well, I don't know what a "Jesus botherer" is, but this game makes me pretty upset-though to be honest, I'm mostly upset because of how horrible it is.
Apparently in SMT, YHVH is totally different from God himself, referred to as the Great Will. At least, that's what the other comments are saying.
Maybe just stick to Persona if it makes you uncomfortable.
What happens if you give wrong answers in anarchy?
nothing
literally nothing
@@christopherbravo1813 Close. Basically, the damage threshold before the Damaged YHVH phase becomes significantly higher if you fail to deny YHVH all the way through
Anyone who reads the Bible and fails to realize that Yahweh is the villain needs to play this game.
anyone who reads the Bible and concludes that God is evil doesn't understand the Bible.
@@christopherbravo1813 Or rather, only took the Old Testament into consideration. Apparently the New Testament retconned a lot of things
@@christopherbravo1813, how much of the Bible has to be considered Non-Canon for the Father to be seen as anything other than Evil? His amorality and extremism can be felt even in the New Testament based around his Son born specifically to die.
@@trutyatces8699 His Son-who is also God Himself (I and the Father are One)-died so that God wouldn't have to continuously punish us for our own horrible deeds.
God doesn't punish good. only evil.
I swear people have never read the Bible. And whoever does read it and thinks God is evil is misunderstanding sh*t
some gall you have
This game is cringe. Hail YHVH.
Yet here you are getting triggered over a game. Just pick law route already and quit complaining.
@@ParadiseLordRyu what Law route? this game HAS no Law route! and most of the games WITH Law routes make God appear as evil as possible!
do lawnerds really...?
@@Sagragoth What?
Yeah, your right YHVH isn't supposed to be evil here, in smt2 he was just had a conflict of interest and Kaneko did say he is not suppose to be evil, IVa just took all of the nuance and threw it all away by making him just evilman. Christopher Bravo that 's smt for yeah, most law endings suck, the only good law end is in SJ redux where it goes somewhat humanist for smt
As a relatively recent atheist coming back and playing this fight after years of blindly following this tyrant irl was one of the most therapeutic and cathartic moments of my life especially denying his divine attributes.
Smt as a whole helped me come to terms with my loss of faith and I am forever grateful that these niche little games exist
Shame on you for becoming out of touch
Atheist nigga when SMT
My man, if God is a tyrant then He does in fact exist. If God exists you cannot be an Atheist, as Atheism by definition is the belief that there is not, has not, and never will be any god of any kind. Of course if God *doesn't* exist then He cannot be a tyrant, as He Himself has not done anything either good or evil.
@@christopherbravo1813 Hey Christopher Bravo. Wanna join me in boycotting atlus? I even have a subreddit dedicated to this.
@@TangensROH Oh, does that mean that your kind will finally STFU from these videos?
"You would slander His name? Debase Him? Denigrate the One who created the very world we inhabit? To impugn Him is to impugn existence itself! you would be tying your own rope! and yet, despite our ignorance, He still loves us and calls us His children. repent, and your sins shall be forgiven. He offers His hand to any and all who believe in Him. have faith, and you shall receive His blessing."
I'm right here.
Stalin?
Voice acting joke?
What?
@@IBL15 When?
ah, the denials are as flimsy as ever.
Someone is salty, don't start pointless preaching while you're at it. Oh wait, you already did.
Christopher Bravo, I agree with you.
dude is salty about a video game, how sad can you be.
@@tendatonda1634 you must be very compassionate to care about that.
@@TheSonic497 your existence peppers humanity. you're the salty one!
This is an example of why I find SMT to be so pissing stupid and they say Persona has no substance smh...
Praise YHVH!
The Bible has no substance beyond a fable.
@@DarkAdonisVyers Wrong. Bible is Word Of God, it's truth.
@@TangensROH The Word of Yahweh is nothing more than a fable. I prefer Knowledge.
@@DarkAdonisVyers Filth!
bro every time i start playing an smt you make videos for that exact game the DAY AFTER i start playing it wtf