Louisiana Bill to Place Ten Commandments in Classroom
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- Louisiana Bill to Place Ten Commandments in Classroom
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This is not about religion. The people putting this forward don't live by it themselves. This is about control
Control? Are you dumb
Exactly.
Laws for thee, not for DT.
Riiiight. Because that’s what will happen when you put words on the wall the children will all be controlled, like they are supposed to be 🤡
This is about the ppl. I don't care what you think about religion. The 10 commandments are the basis for living a good life. And they absolutely should be demanded from ALL ppl
It's funny since Louisiana is last in education. Let's just get even dumber!😂
I thought that was Arkansas or Mississippi
@@user-uh6yr4te2i We keep taking turns, passing the ball back and forth like a rotting, fetid hot potato.
They are 46th but that's nothing to brag about. 4th from the BOTTOM
@@user-uh6yr4te2i Don't diss West By God Virginia! They have been trading their children's future for coal for 100 years!!
@@pjposton5001Don't talk shit about West Virginia. I'm sure you have never been to the mountain state, or you would know that tourism and agriculture are our main exports. STFU!🇺🇲💙
Religion should stay out of public schools that’s what private religion schools are for
Private
Agree with your comment.
Right. Let's keep public schools around for drag queen reading day.
THAT’S WHAT CHURCH IS FOR!!!
It's ironic they want to teach children the 10 commandments when they seems to not understand them themselves from what I have seen. 🙄
SPOT ON!
They don't follow any of those rules. None of them.
Like…. You shall not kill ?
😏
The Ten Commandments are ridiculous anyway. Just search for George Carlin + 10 commandments to hear how Carlin brilliantly shortens the list of commandments 😂
If they're gonna do this, then they must be forced to have a satanic statue of Baphomet in the school front vestibule! I so wish I had the time and money to force the state supreme court to order this into happening!
Is this an effort to reverse the second amendment. Featuring the commandment Thou shall not kill. lessening of the massacre of school children?
If people are that concerned about their children following the 10 commandments they should post them in their own homes and emulate them in their own lives. Schools are for education not for religious indoctrination.
1. "I am the LORD your God; you shall not have strange gods before me"
Doesn't work with the constitution, and there is no moral learning from that commandment.
2. "You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain"
Same... nothing to learn there that is interesting, unless one is religious and believes in a specific god.
3. "Remember to keep holy the LORD’s Day"
How is that even a commandment? Nothing interesting there for kids to learn as a moral life compass.
4. "Honor your father and mother", fair enough, but I guess parents should and do teach that, no need for a book.
5. "You shall not kill"
Fair enough. But I guess that it's an obvious moral direction. But a government imposing this written on a wall while doing nothing to protect kids against murder... Not very credible.
"Thoughts and prayers" right?
6. "You shall not commit adultery"
What about no pornography at school? This disappears when there is erotic texts in the bible?
7 "You shall not steal." Again, all parents teach that. No need for a religious book for that.
8. "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour."... Same, all parents teach that.
9. "You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife."
Why the f would a kid have to read that. It's nuts...
10. Y"ou shall not covet your neighbor’s goods." All kids are taught to not be jealous, to respect what belongs to others. And that's part of life's learning curve.
No need for a threat to go in hell to teach that.
I really don't see what it has to do in a class room. But a code of conduct that kids learn would be more adapted, and can be tailored to the age of the kids.... Not that absurdity. Nothing to do in a classroom.
You say schools aren’t for religious indoctrination, so why do so many public schools hang tranny and other radical belief flags on their walls? Believing men can be women and vice versa is a belief, it will never be a fact.
Then stop trying to sexualize children while you're at it
@@tonypowder3506Republicans who support this always get caught on Grindr.
Trump has broken all ten commandments over and over.
Well, I want a Budda, the Star of David, a Pentagram, Prayer Rugs, The Quarum, and any other religious items displayed at public schools. 🤔🤔🤨
😈 The Satanic Temple would like to also have a word.
Not to forget an upside down cross and a thors hammer, and of course
A MAGA HAT!
Usually the Satanic Temple sues for religious equality.
And that shuts BS like this down
[Intentionally left blank] for atheists.
Question mark for Agnostics.
$$$ for Donor Class.
This is the way. Make them allow all religions to be represented. According to WikiPedia, there's roughly 4,200 religions of one kind or another. They might have to print the Ten Commandments quite small to fit all 4200 on the wall.
I wonder if they realize their orange messiah broke the 10 commandments multiple times.
Pretty sure all 10 of them in fact, if you take into account someone being responsible for orders given to someone else.
If breaking the 10 Commandments were an extreme sport then Donnie would be bringing home the gold medal.
"Thou shalt not commit Adultery, unless thou art Donald Trump"
-God, probably
did he shower with his daughter like your dementia-riddled kiddie diddler?
People wanting the 10 Commandments in schools aren’t getting religion any other way.
This is outrageous and comes straight out the totalitarian playbook.
The 10 commandments are important. If people obeyed the 10 commandments the world would be a much better place.
@@davidsimon1324Riiight! Like that had worked so far. Organized religion has been cause for most wars and is about controlling the masses in particular women.
Actually it would be up to the people in LA for what they want. I think you need to read up on what totalitarianism is , some of you throw that word around a lot but don’t know what it means .
@@davidsimon1324 please keep your religion to yourself and out of the classroom. Religion has been the reason for most wars and has yet to prove it had any value. It is a cloak that monsters hide behind.
@@davidsimon1324 Teaching kids the Golden Rule pretty much has things covered in public schools. Anything about worshipping a certain god belongs in the home.
Hope they are going to explain to the kids that Saturday is the Sabbath.
That's in the OT for Jews. We aren't Jewish. Our day is Sunday.
We? Got a mouse in your pocket?
@@f.miller9522 What other parts of the bible to you change as you see fit? Does that mean everyone can pick and choose which parts of the bible they follow and which they disregard?
@@simonharris4873It seems everybody's already pretty good at that which is why none of it should apply in secular government! Keep the personal beliefs personal, not the "law of the land"!
@@simonharris4873 As a believer I find that an odd question. I believe in the Bible as is. Both Old and New. I've changed nothing. I read the words, have taken classes, and listen to what my minister has to say, pray and live my life. The OT was not written for us. We are not Jewish. We don't have to avoid pork. We can have sex with our periods, and we don't have to sleep seperate. We no longer have to burn up animals for forgiveness, or cover our hair. We are in the NT times now, the "good news". We follow Jesus. We go to church on Sundays, get baptized, have a personal relationship with God, our sons don't have to be circumcised. Eat what we want and slaves have rights. Woman are equal participants in faith and I can go on and on. What part of the Bible have I changed for myself?
Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson: Did we MUTHAFUKIN' STUTTAH?!?
LMAO you are absolutely hilarious and absolutely CORRECT
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Why do they not just realize that they should send their kids to a private Christian school instead?!??
Or just go to church
A great majority in Louisiana are Christians or Catholics. Mike Johnson ... Find James Carvel. Johnson is a survivor, first and foremost.
Catholic schools and private schools are expensive.
Those school have strict discipline with no more than 18-22 students per class. Families are directly involved with their children and the school. It’s just a other ball game.
And further stunt the education of children? Children in other countries that are not theocratic in nature are better educated than ours! Some have year-round schooling ( with vacation time interspersed throughout the year) so kids don't fall behind. Our system seem to based on the old idea of the kids working the farm during the summer months. That was fine over a hundred years ago, but not now! Separation of state and church must be enforced!
Because they are spending all their money on tump gear, so they can't afford "christian" school.
Ya, lets teach them LGBTXYZ instead.
I hope Madeline Murray O'Hair didn't put in all that work later in her life just for us to go all the way back to this
They know it's from the Old Testament / Jewish bible - right?
No. 😂
No, because most of these folks have never read either.
The whole old testament is taken from the Torah (Jewish Bible). Not all of the Torah was included just like the New Testament isn't everything that was written about Jesus at the time.
I try to tell folks the King James Bible was something the Church of England commissioned king James to do to make it easier to convert the world to Christianity
If you tell them that, their heads will explode in fits of invented denial.
Can people sue the legislature for continuing to waste money on laws that are unconstitutional?
Wouldn’t that be considered grooming our children?
By Republican definitions, pretty sure it would But they are rarely self-aware enough to recognize their own hypocrisy.
That's literally what Young America's Foundation and Turning Points USA does.
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA "teaching morality is grooming kids" says the diddller.
I used to be indifferent about religion. Now I despise it and oppose it in every way possible. I never felt that way before Republican politics imposed.
God is loving and merciful. All you need to do is repent and you will be accepted into his kingdom.
I do hope you understand that being a Christian doesn't mean you're like every other Christian.
@@Redworc86 Ah, yes.
The loving god that will toss you into a fire pit if you don't get on your knees and beg for his mercy.
Very loving and merciful.
@@KobKobold you need to read the Bible. Sounds like you never have. I will pray for you.
@@Redworc86 That's a lame copout and you know it.
Face me with anything stronger than your mythology, you coward.
Conservatives are really shooting themselves in the foot....i wonder if they will be voted out for doing this, abortion ban and so many other things...i cant imagine being a fly on the wall and hearing this discussion...oh well...long as people know if they get voted back in there are going to be many changes like this! Vote blue
These goofballs should be Voted Out. This is getting to be totalitarian. We've seen this b******* before in a milder form back in the Reagan years. It didn't fly then and it won't fly now. Separation of church and State. Vote Blue 🔵
Trump has set America back. Vote blue to save America!
You mean Biden
@@user-uh9me7ej1q Learn to read.
@@user-uh9me7ej1q Biden has created over 15 million jobs. Way more than before the pandemic. Biden has had the lowest unemployment rate in over 50 years for 2 straight years. Biden has decreased America's debt over a trillion dollars, almost 2 trillion. Biden was able to get medication prices lowered, including a $35 cap on insulin. Biden is the first president who stood with the Union workers while they strike and helped them achieve their goals. Biden rebuilt roads and bridges, improved transportation, forgave student loan debts, reversed the damage Trump did to Nato, reversed the horrible deal Trump made with the oil companies, seized double the drugs Trump did and prevented almost double the illegal immigrants from crossing the border, is making the wealthy pay their share of taxes again (which Trump let them out of), and he is trying to make it illegal for companies to price gouge like the oil companies did with their gas prices when Biden started making them pay their share of taxes again, but Republicans voted no to it. America has soared to its highest energy independence in 70 years thanks to Biden. So please tell me one single thing Biden has set us back on. Trump wiped out women's rights in 4 years. Trump made it okay to hate again. Trump Increased America's debt up over 7.8 TRILLION DOLLARS in just 4 years, nearly collapsing the economy. Trump promised to get medication prices lowered but instead he sided with the drug companies and increased the cost of medication. Trump promised to cut taxes for the middle-class working people but instead cut taxes for the wealthy. Trump didn't keep one single promise as president.
Every time Trump gets in charge he brings America back down to where it belongs every time you let Diaper Man be in charge he fucks America up again
@@user-uh9me7ej1q Do you spend all day, every day posting stupidity? Why is your name always ahead of some piece of nonsense? You show your ignorance with each post.
Wouldn't it be a better idea to teach the people who need the commandments how to read, and let them figure out what religion they want to follow??
No, because then they might not join *our* faith! 🙄
The Christians love indoctrination and no choice.
It's Unconstitutional, period.
People wanting to put the 10 commandments in schools by the same people that have broken every one of the commandments themselves.
They should highlight the ones Trump broke
Trump seems to think breaking them all is a to do list
Today the 10 Commandments and tomorrow: Muslim, Hindu, Wicca….oh joy…but what is needed is Math, Reading, Science, History, Writing…but why go there
Send your kids to private religious schools if you want religion included in their education. Instead of this BS why don't these people focus improving the QUALITY of education their public schools?! Louisiana is ranked 46th in the country.
Louisiana’s dollar store DeSantis.
That's literally unconstitutional. And like, it would be completely fine if it was giving the schools the choice to, but they CAN'T force it. That's illegal.
Till they make it legal, that's the problem.
@@codybeckus2652 They can't make it legal. Literally the first ammendment is freedom of religion, and that's pretty much the whole reason this country exists. It was to escape religious persecution. So if they do end up doing that, they're at least getting kicked out of the government.
@@codybeckus2652 It wasn't illegal to do it before. But they are forcing schools to do this, that's the issue.
I think it would be illegal to do for public schools. @@brianpinkey676
This was attempted in Texas , but the only way they could get the ordinance passed was to use the words, religious symbols.
A resident of the county where this was being attempted went to the school and began displaying Muslim, Jamaican voodoo, buddhist, and other religious symbols. They dropped the ordinance.
I would tell my teacher, "I'm so poor. I'm broker than the ten commandments"
I mean Alabama, LA, MS; they may need the help of an imaginary friend because their education numbers are already embarrassing….
Back to the middle ages
Luckily our Supreme Court will straighten it out.
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Remember kids most important value in life , is having no other gods.
Jesus fucking Christ is it 24 or 2024 somebody help me here
If you start making them pay taxes to be put in schools they will leave government alone real quick. No more passes on their jets, real estate and donations.
How about this... No fed money ever. Let your Jewish God fix your problems that require federal assistance.
Here comes the church of Satan to have their 7 tenets also installed in every school under the same regulation. Lmao
There's an even better way to troll. Just use the 10 commandments from Exodus 34 instead of Exodus 20.
Separation of Church and State
I don't think it means what you think "it means ..." ~ Inego Montoya.
@@eyesopen5386you know that's right "you don't think"
Try to find "separation of church and state" in the Constitution. It's not there.
@@bmp-2267 Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
It's right there in the first amendment. Not in those exact words, but the meaning is there. If LA makes a law saying that the 10 commandments needs to be displayed that violates the establishments clause. They are promoting one religion over others.
@@brandons9138 thank you for that. Gets tiring explaining this to these knuckleheads
The worst part about the unconstitutional law is that it's probably just there to make us forget about Abortion, January 6th, and all the other times that Republicans have attacked the United States.
And it's working. We're distracted. Have you heard anyone talk about abortion in the last few days?
If LA is to be perfectly consistent, it should require state citizens to turn Catholic. Even including MAGA Mike!
Why Catholic.?
Because he's evangelical
Alexa, how many churches are there in Lousiana?
in my recent visit to North Carolina I observed the phrase "IN GOD WE TRUST" on the front of the courthouse and the judges bench.
It's on all South Carolina license plates
That can be acceptable for any religion not just Christianity. And it's not a quote from the Bible.
@@debbiebann5791 what if I choose no religious anything on my license plate?
They're talking about Eric Clapton.
Totally unconstitutional. Violates separation of church and state in the body of the constitution and the guarantee of freedom of religion in the first amendment. The founding fathers had very fresh memories of the discrimination against various religions in Europe and the wars fought over them. They decided our government would have no official religion. That doesn't mean they were against religion. It just means the best way for a government not discriminate is not to have a state sanctioned religion.
As a science teacher, I would print it on a buisness card and place it above the 6 foot long periodic table on the wall. Id make the font size of the captital letters on the card smaller than the atomic mass of each element.
That’s awesome, but I think the law states that the poster has to be clearly visible. It’s terrifying that politicians can get this close to passing a law that is blatantly unconstitutional.
@@oxmora1178 clearly visable defined as? it is in my classroom, but it will be smaller than the size of my periodic table. Clearly visible sounds like the words they'd use because they'd have a reason to terminate any teacher without an objective reasoning to. It wasn't "clearly visible" in his classroom.
With the current religious sycophants on the Supreme Court, if this bill passes, they will uphold it or refuse to hear any challenge.
If you don't think, act like a conservative Christian we will pass laws to make you.
Yeah even if they aren't remotely connected to the teachings of Jesus Christ
It would be better if the lawmakers followed the 10 commandments. You know, leading by example.
If we are putting nonesense up, I want Harry Potter quotes to be added!
Stop the Corruption of The Separation between the Church and State!
Vote Blue💙💙💙
That is ridiculous
Our forefathers are rolling in their graves.
Just like in Arrested Development.
What about the other 600 odd commandments. They should put the whole lot in display in order of how funny or bizarre they are.
When is this blatant there should be consequences for those that put forward such illegal proposals. Being kicked out of office at least.
Will they teach that trump broke the commandment about adultery?
You forgot the commandments of not stealing or lying. He probably broke several others, but those are the most obvious
@@skynet314 I wouldn't say "he probably." I would say defiantly has. LOL
They should put it in congress
No they should not. Freedom of religion!!!
Which version, there are 3 distinct versions of the 10 commandments in the Bible. The version that most people believe to be biblical is a combination of these three versions.
Thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not lie, and thou shall not murder.
That’s what you teach your children at home and at church. That’s where are you’re supposed to indoctrinate your children.
"Thou shalt not steal"
-- unless it is from poor and/or non-white folk
"thou shalt not lie"
-- unless it is in opposition of an inconvenient truth, especially truth that is in favor of the liberals / progressives / "woke mob"
"thou shalt not murder"
-- unless you are planning & committing a violent insurrection in order to overthrow lawfully elected govt officials & block a legitimate election result from being finalized in Congress.
Funny how so many of these right-wing hypocrites loudly, proudly declare themselves to be "true believers" in Christ ... when the Gospel of the New Testament makes it abundantly clear that Jesus Himself had a VERY dim view of hypocrites. 😂
And we’re seeing all of this in political arenas today
Yeah and 7 others that demand you worship god.
You need a god and threats of eternal torture to not do those?
Ah, the separation of church and state-a hot topic indeed. You make a valid point that keeping religion separate from government and education can help prevent divisions in society.
Respecting others' beliefs, or lack thereof, is an essential part of a functioning democracy. After all, religious freedom is a fundamental right guaranteed by the Constitution.
Do you think there are any circumstances where religion and government can coexist without causing problems?
Hey! There's no such thing as god or anything supernatural! Grow up!
No,No,No. The only people who should be teaching religion in parents.
The Ten Commandments should not be posted in any public school. The only flag flown at a public school should be the American flag. Every public school should start the day with the pledge of allegiance.
Maybe the original Pledge not the one modified by Religious people in 1954 but I am not talk of legal challenges by Jehovah witness had end we know that in 2004, the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals held that students are also not required to stand for the Pledge.
They already do!
As an outsider, I've gotta say, the American 'Pledge Of Allegiance' is creepy as frkk.
Indoctrination is *_not_* patriotism.
When I was a kid, over here in Britland, we were all required to say 'The Lord's Prayer' every day at school assembly. We would be watched too, to make sure we were joining in properly. Hands together, heads down, everyone joining in and so on. If we didn't have our little hands pressed firmly enough together, if our tiny eyes weren't completely shut, or if the teachers thought we might be muttering our 'prayers' instead of properly enunciating each word, or didn't think we were saying the _right_ words, we would be punished.
Guess what effect that had?
It made the words as dull and meaningless as the basic arithmetic tables we were also occasionally called upon to recite, with even less relevance to our daily lives and the world outside.
A 'pledge' that has to be repeated every single day, over and over, again and again, getting more dull and monotonous each time, is surely next to worthless?
@@user-uh6yr4te2i unfortunately no not in every school. It is also optional for the student to participate. It should be compulsory.
@@Redworc86Freedom of speech?
Atheism isn't a religion it's a personal relationship with REALITY
Oh fuck! Slipping right back into the stone age.
Now that would mean that all forms of religious text should have equal display in those schools as well. Or there can be an argument about discrimination. If that is the door they want to open? Then they really didn’t understand what the founding fathers were trying to avoid. Extremely ignorant!!!!!!
Wow, Now I know the Louisiana people have completely gone mad!
SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!!!!!
Why should this be not expected from Louisiana after all they did give us kennedy and johnson
Maybe teach the children to READ FIRST 😂
Religion has no business being in government or schools
Posting the 10 commandments is far different than teaching them. Taking prayer and the pledge of allegiance OUT OF SCHOOLS has proven a down hill roll for education as well as behavior from students !
James Madison def doing backflips right about now…albeit a right pr*ck 🙄
Here’s the 11th commandment:
“Fluffeth not the orange nubbin, lest ye be led astray and fall into evil.”
Add that one to the list and display it everywhere.
I went to a catholic school and in our religious studies classroom the wall posters included the 5 Ks of Sikhism, pillars of islam, some Hindu gods, symbols of Jewish holidays but no 10 commandments. Not for equality, or because we were neglecting our religion, but because having been on catholic education for at least half a decade, it was assumed that we'd already know those!
Words on paper or stone are written by people not some “god”. There is debate on the proper translations too. School is for learning facts not religious b.s.
Put in my classroom? There's no way in hell. I'm reading it out loud every day.
They tried this in Oklahoma at the State Capitol & it didn’t go so well. A satanist statue was then put up because if we allow one religion belief we have to allow all. Both ended up being taken down, and rightly so.
Don’t worry. I’m sure our wonderful SCOTUS will give all states the right to do whatever the hell they want so this can move forward.
So glad I get to live in a first world country free of any of this nonsense. We're rooting for you guys!
10 commandments should be everywhere.. classrooms, court rooms, breakrooms ,billboads and on buses, tshirts etc
I go to church every Sunday, and I absolutely do not want the 10 commandments put in classrooms. They don’t belong there any more than any other religious symbols do.
Louisiana education is already doing so great, this will make the best educated state even better.
Louisiana proposed a bill to put the 10 Commandments in all schools.
The Ten Commandments include a description of women/wives as the property of men! That is abhorrent!! Would this even be tolerated for any other reason other than religious?
I am reminded of when i was a young child in the US, more half a century ago, and we always had to recite the pledge of allegiance in school. None of us even knew what the words meant, but we sure could say the words.
I'm already mad about in God we trust on money and swearing to God in court....
I guess we will see how bad this Supreme Court really is
This is absolutely laughable. Considering the ones that want it there are breaking every last commandment. WTF?
Some past history :
Stone v. Graham, case in which the U.S. Supreme Court on November 17, 1980, ruled (5-4) that a Kentucky statute requiring school officials to post a copy of the Ten Commandments (purchased with private contributions) on a wall in every public classroom violated the First Amendment’s establishment clause, which is commonly interpreted as a separation of church and state.
The First Amendment of the United States Constitution guarantees the separation of church and state. The Ten Commandments display requirement would violate the principle of religious neutrality.
Requiring the display would infringe on religious freedom. In fact, the Stone v. Graham case held that mandating the display is a form of government intrusion into the realm of personal religious beliefs. Public schools are supposed to be neutral environments that foster an inclusive atmosphere for all students. Many students adhere to other faiths or have no religious beliefs, and this would violate their rights.
TEXASMUDNECK SAY
About damn time !!!!
Yea but the islamo
Is everywhere
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Glad to see that LA is finally tackling the big issues
Dude, im a 63 yo gay man who grew up in Los Angeles. In my toirh, the Ten Commandments were displayed in every school & courthouse. It was good for everyone snd every faith ; even for a gay boy like me.
So relax,
In SCIENCE we trust. Keep your “God” out of my American life.
If the ten commandments matter to you, TEACH THEM AT HOME!!!
I think this was approved in Utah. Gov. Cox Said that it was considered historical like the Constitution is. Insane!
Frank Shaffer has warned us about this for years
I remember singing the national anthem, and each student recited a verse from the bible, those who wished not to participate stood in the hall! We did survive!
Why would they (you) isolate a child because they chose not to participate? That was straight up a slap in the face to the Constitution.
Sounds like schooling by some podunk hillbillies!
You were indoctrinated. That practice showed that if you didn’t believe in the correct fairytale you were an outsider.
"I don't want to see religious bigotry in any form. It would disturb me if there was a wedding between the religious fundamentalists and the political right. The hard right has no interest in religion except to manipulate it.
-Rev. Billy Graham Parade, 1981
No, really that’s awesome and that should be in every classroom in America
The separation between state and religion is long past America..
It would be permissible to explain that the Ten Commandments exist as part of general history, especially since the United States was established due to religious persecution in European countries. Private educational institutions should be able to do what they want. It's up to the parents to decide if they want their kid(s) to attend a particular private school.
They cant even obey the laws of the land.and notice that it did not mention state federal,or local government.