I don't understand why it's so hard for them to believe that a man may choose to not have sex right away. I agree with Tamera, as usual. There are men out there who practice celibacy and want a meaningful relationship that is not based on sex.
I agree, there are more people who r waiting to have sex r practicing celibacy and not just because of their morals or religious reasons and I think that people who r choosing to having sex should put some RESPECK on this decision without making them feel something is wrong with them, if they don't agree with it find someone else but don't label or judge them cause u r choosing to do something different. #I ain't gon say it no moe😜
+Empressive AMEN! It's true, I think Tamar has just met so many duds and not enough good guys, which is probably why she has the attitude she has, but she always acts as if her opinion is the right one, no one else could ever possibly be right. I really truly don't like her, there are very few times when I actually like her, she really angers me most of the time.
It's funny to me that we talk about having men respecting our wishes and no means no, but you turn around and tell guys they might be gay if they want to slow down? that's just awful to me
And then we keep perpetuating the lower standards that this society has about sex and eventually people rethink morals...it's just a bad downward spiral. People taking on that mindset is why celibacy/abstinence is made out to be a crazy and impossible feat when in actuality it ultimately gets you with the right person for life instead of one night and a string of heartbreaks.
I actually respect Adrienne for sharing that story, not a lot of people would and she kept it real 100%. People need to stop with these double standards and accept peoples decisions whether male or female!
Doesn't matter who says no, the man or the woman, if you are just not feeling the other person or are just not in the moment then YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY NO!!!!
As always I agree with Tamera and I also agree with Jeannie. There are some men who are not obsessed with sex and sometimes they just don't want to have sex. Tamar can sometimes be immature and irrational.
+MsBrooklyn11232 I agree. To say 'something in the milk isn't clean' because a man wants to get to know a woman before sleeping with her is so immature and small-minded.
Poor Adrienne; she's trying to keep her cool in. I really don't agree with Loni's and Tamar's perspective this time. Some guys actually do want to "slow down" without any ulterior motive
Wait, so Tamar and Loni are trying to say that if a man turns down sex with you, that he's either not into you or gay?? That's total BS and sounds ridiculous.
This is such a double standard. There are alot of men who may be virgins, celibate or want to slow down for that special someone and we need to allow men to be comfortable in that right without implying he is gay.
I gotta give Loni and Tamar the side eye this time. I mean, I am so tired of that old tired ass "Men Will Be Men" mentality! Just because a guy doesn't want to have sex right away doesn't mean he's gay or that there's something wrong with him. Not all men want sex right away. Some men value their bodies as well as the relationship they have with you more than getting physical, so much so that they are willing to wait as long as possible to prove that they are about emotional commitment first and foremost. Stop putting people in boxes. We men, as well as women, are NOT monoliths. We are all complex, diverse, and, most of all, unique beings with different perceptions, perspectives and preferences. STOP pigeonholing people and perceiving them through outdated society-influenced biases and start accepting people for who THEY show and tell you THEY ARE, not who you think, would rather or have been told they are!
+Jordan Taylor you are sooooo right!!!! it such bullshit to say "oh yea he must be gay because he didn't want to sleep with me or that he doesn't want to be with you" if he didn't he would not take the time for you this is so sexist and women want equal rights how are we gonna get that when they talk like this???
I think she is being REAL in her own right, ITS about five of them views of the topic being discussed ,, just because it doesn't sound politically correct doesn't mean it aint REAL
I'm really disappointed in Tamar and Loni's reaction to Adrienne's story. I can't stand when people act like that when it comes to men and sex. They act as if men are just these animals who their only duty to have sex with any and everything. We women say we want a man who is about more than just sex but when we get one, we treat him like Tamar and Loni and act as if something is wrong with him. Then we tend to complain about men supposedly having more sexual freedom but I feel like its contradicting because we act as if that's all men are about. I think men deal with plenty of double standards like women do but they aren't broadcasted and this is definitely one of them.
+Cakeandsum Rosesplease You said it! Exactly! Double Standards are everywhere. Sometimes Loni & Tamar create a peer pressure environment. I like Jeannie cause she sticks by her opinions and is level headed.
The funny thing is that out of all of them you just know Loni and Tamar get it the least so its just like sour sour grapes, kinda like that conversation about how long the difference between a quickie and making love is, and Adrienne was talking about how when you make love it can go on for hours and the least time would be about 40 mins or something like that, and Tamar and Loni were just :/ like Loni laughed like it was a ridiculous notion and Tamar was just there with her stank face....I mean like if your men barely last five minutes like some horny teenagers than thats just you and i highly doubt either of you has had as much experience with men as Adrienne so dafuq do you know.
That's so narrow minded to think that if a man doesn't want to have sex when you want to means he's either gay or getting it somewhere else. Tamar is dead wrong.
She said the first part and implied the second. But even if you disagree, she SAID that if a man doesn't want sex from you when you offer it to him he doesn't want you. Which is still narrow minded.
Not all men are the same. Some actually respect the act of having sex and want to wait. Women should know and understand that. He shouldn't automatically want to have sex with you just because he's a man and you're a woman. And you shouldn't feel offended when he turns you down.
I think its sad and even backwards that a person no matter male or female wanting to build a good relationship before having sex would be considered gay or playing games....Maybe not all men are stupid and shallow like that..I would LOVE to find a man that wanted to move slow in that area of our relationship. I'd prefer it!
+Tiffany-Kelly Fritz She definitely was...and the fact that he was 35 makes sense. When people are younger I could see them rushing and not saying that but as a man gets older and still isn't with anybody they wanna start trying something new. Being 35 and wanting a relationship, I could easily see a man saying something like that. Just cuz Tamar never dealt with that shouldn't mean it's hard to believe especially at that age.
+Ariana Jonhson ... she's messing with boys all her life, and she don't know to react when Gentlemen comes into her life, treats her with respect and his intentions are genuine...
I've learned not to pay attention to what Tamar says when it comes to these kind of conversation. The thing she says just smh lol let me not say it... I just stick with Tamera and Jeannie's opinions.
+John Cruz an abusive relationship has nothing to do with the fact that she's so closed minded that she thinks man has to be on the a closeted homosexual to want to take it slow.
+DeAndre Johnson I'll have to watch it again cuz I thought she meant that people withhold sex because they want something and that's the only reason anyone would say they wanted to slow things down.
+John Cruz after Loki said that and she wanted to cover her ass. That's what "something in the milk ain't clean" means and she actually said around the 3:00 mark.
Goes both ways, of course guys should be able to say it without offending the girl. If a guy wants to wait because he wants a real relationship with you, well personally I would respect that a lot. No problem with waiting.
Umm.. If you have morals and values and respect your body , then you should not let others or being judged for being a virgin ,, force you into having sex and you are not ready !
Well wait til marriage first of all. That's it. How many times do we need to go over this? Sex is more than just the physical. It's SPIRITUAL. It's the deepest connection that you can ever have with someone and people just go around giving it out like some Girl Scout cookies.
+Danielle A. It's more than just sleeping with somebody and sharing bodily fluids. It's a deeper connection involving emotions and sharing a part of u. The person you've slept with may have also slept with several other partners, so you're ultimately sleeping with them too if thay makes sense
+Danielle A. Spiritual is an idea. I personally don't believe it at all, but I do believe that sex is an important connection. Waiting until marriage is irrelevant to whether you connect with someone sexually. It's an important part of being with someone. Chemistry matters to some people and not everyone is interested in marriage. There are other perspectives on the subject than just yours.
If someone doesn't want to have sex why is that such a problem? No means no for EVERYBODY! Like I love this show but honestly they really are so hypocritical.
They are just being real about a double standard that exists! It's not just them that react this way. It's pretty common to expect men to be down whenever given an opportunity. But of course, when someone says no, it means no.
To be clear, unlike Tamar, I believe plenty of men out there want to take things slow in favor of getting to know someone. I am just talking about the initial reaction of women getting offended if they want to move forward and the guy says no
Francine Morris True, I understand. I usually side with Tamera when it comes to double standards. But I can understand where they Come from with initial reactions.
The woman in the text message was waaaaay out of line. If he doesn't want it he doesn't want it. No need to justify it or pressure it. NONE of that. End of story.
Cant believe Tamar said "something in the milk aint clean!" and Adrienne responded with "it was clean." loooool don't know if anyone caught on to that but talk about getting sexual.
This happened to my guy coworker,he didn't even know this girl & she called him gay. Because he "turned down this million dollar pussy". so rude & disrespectful. Thank God my coworker is a gentleman
ONCE AGAIN I LOVE JEANNIE for nuancing the debate here and stressing how important consent is no matter what gender/age you are. I agree with Tamera, it's just a different perspective. What can also happen is you decide to take things slow but then you get caught up in the moment and bam. But there are also people who intentionally play hard to get and I don't think there's anything wrong with it unless you're leading someone on and giving them false hope.
I agree with Tamera. Tamar didn't make sense in her explanation, then once Loni spoke she immediately clung to her talking about "that's what I'm saying" Lol
As a married woman, I like hearing Tamera and Jeanie's perspective on things. Maybe if Tamar could express herself without neck rolling and lip smacking, I would take her more serious.
Sooooooooooo,........ Let me get this straight to see if I understand clearly......! If a woman says "no" to a man for having sex is ok and normal, but if u man does it it automatically means that's he's "gay" , I don't get it?🤔🤔🤔🤔
+MartianBlues then can u explain to me what was the meaning of the expression of Loni and Tamar then?? Coz that's the feeling that I'm having😗...and that is what they meant...... I'm confused, let me know😉
+MartianBlues Yes they did because although Loni and Tamar didn't say it literally Adrienne picked up on it and said "yea thats what I was thinking, which is people saying he isn't straight" followed by Tamar saying "yea its one of the two.."the two meaning. he is gay or not into you.
Ugh. I'm worried impressionable people will watch this and think there's something wrong with them for saying no. Never, EVER feel bad about saying no. Whether you're male, female, in a long term relationship or it's your first time. You have every right to say no. No means no and there's nothing wrong with you.
Adrienne reminds me of myself sometimes. Confidence is key. she's a grown woman. I can't wait for her to carry herself more in the manner of one, in a cool and collected manner ^-^
+Bianca V I say the same thing. They really sound like ignorant jump offs. They was the type who let dudes use them b/c of no self esteem, that is why they don't understand a man wanting to get to know you first. Adrienne take your pointers from Jeannie & Tamara w marriage. They both saw the wait first in their husband, that is why they can relate. Just cause Tamar is married don't mean it's not easy. The way Vince is disturbed by her "ghettoness", he seem like he have, or had low self esteem and was glad someone like Tamar showed interest. He probably thought he couldn't get better. I love some Tamar, but she letting her ghettoness get the best of her and its getting annoying. I like when she give key points of how her mother raised her, like Tamara.
I met a man that wanted to wait, he wanted to take his time and get to know me. He was not running game or sleeping with anyone else he just simply wanted to take it slow and now four years later we're still happily in love.
why is it so hard to believe that not all men want to jump straight to sex. I know plenty of guys who save sex for last. of course they want it, but they hold out for their reasons.
I love you Tamar but.. when looking back on the old line up of the show.. the other ladies were really walking on "eggshells" when it came to Tamar. Can't believe I'm saying this but.. I am actually much happier with how things are now (without Tamar). The other ladies are allowed to express themselves a lot more now (which I believe is only fair). I trust she will go on to take the "constructive criticism" left by some of us on SM and continue to use this in a positive way. Peace & Love x
agree ... But didn't bother Jeanie and Tamera both wait before marrying their now husbands? think they've mentioned it before... sounds like Tamar forgot
Me and my fiance enjoy each others company so much that we get physical after 2 years in relationship, and now we even love and attached to each other so much. I agreed with knowing him/her personality first. But again, its just how i take it.
Women like Tamar annoy me. I've done the casual random sex thing and I didn't like it. It's not unusual for a man to reject meaningless sex. To assume a man is gay because he rejects you sexually is so petty.
Yes Tamar yes 😡 it absolutely drives me crazy, when I say I'm tired my husband gives me an attitude but when I'm willing and ready and he says he's tired I'm supposed to be caring and understanding. Double standards are too real😬
Social media and society give so much attention to the unfaithful men and women that they make the faithful men and women sound like a fantasy. There are a lot of GOOD men and women out here who genuinely want to live a financially stable, drama free and happy life without having sex all the time! People keep forgetting that sex is just PART of a successful relationship it doesn't validate the WHOLE relationship!
I would find it disrespectful if a female assumed a man was gay because he didn't want to rush into it. I think when men have been with a lot of women and then come to the point where they're ready to settle, they sometimes don't want to rush into things, especially if they respect the woman they're with :). However I'm talking from situations I've heard about, personally I've only ever had one partner and that's my husband and that's the exact same for him.
It is kind of sad how women are quick to label men as gay when they are not in a rush to have sex. Like how there is pressure for women, there is pressure for men as well. Tamar didn't know what that man went through in his past relationship. Maybe he took things too quickly in his past relationships and wanted to go a different path with Adrienne because he liked her a lot. Nethertheless, i enjoyed this discussion. SN: Tamar kind of reminds me of Vivica Fox in the face today.
no Tamar actually there are guys out there that are respectful. if he wasn't clean as she tried to insinuate then his dirty ass would want to sleep with her. mind you there are very few good men out there not many but they are out there. and no doesn't mean they are gay. why does that broad always think her opinions are the only ones that should be had.
Ikr!! She lives in some fantasy world where men are like sex robots 24/7... Especially weird because she just said a minute ago that she herself is sometimes too tired...Yet she doesn't realize that a guy could be too.. Like ???
Okayy so i think i figured it out; Tamar has wack reasoning Tamera is the rational one Loni just dont make sense...shell say things and ill be like...whaaat? Jeannie is real Adrienne is the cute one Basically Loni and Tamar gots to go lol
Okay here's the deal. *takes a deep breath* Now, on this subject whether you are a man or a woman, If your a virgin or not a virgin, If someone is feeling like they want to slow down and not rush into having sex and they tell you no, you have to respect that PERIOD. I am definitely agreeing with Tamera and Jeannie right now. Tamar not so much because opinions like hers, is the reason why good men are always getting a bad name. Women are always used to men wanting to go the fast route and then when they deal with a man that wants to slow things down, they quickly assume that he could be seeing someone else or he might be gay. Come on ladies be honest with yourselves how would you feel if you started dating a guy and you wanted to take things slow and he started to think that you were with another man or that you might be a lesbian but deep down you just really wanted to take things slow and you try to convince him but he just doesn't believe you. You would feel hurt right? Well how do you think those men that are really ready to settle down and not just have sex with you feel because all you doing is just assuming??? Give the good ones a chance and stop blowing them all away cause you could be blowing away your future husband.
1st. I cringe everytime Tamar talks about her and Vince doing it. Ew.. And why she gotta yell like that?? I can't take her lately. And that opinion of hers is BULL!!! A guy CAN take it slowly... Just because they didn't do it with you, doesn't me they won't take it slow with others.. 2nd.. These girl need to stop kissing Tamar's ass!! They always agree with her! Especially Adrienne
No surprise that I agree with Tamera. Tamar, it is not a game. It is a different albeit unpopular perspective. Some guys are more interested in getting to know someone than hopping into bed with them. I know this because I'm one of them, and made that clear to my wife when I started dating her 10 years ago.
Thank you! Can you please inform the youth of today pleaseee! Cause what they're saying here is pure bs. The only two that are right here Tamera and Jeanie. Idk what Loni ia talkin about that women have labels. Yes we have labels but so do men as well. They have labels just as much as women do and she makes it seem like its only for women theres labels when its not even like that.
From the comments it's safe to say nearly everyone was annoyed by Tamar in this segment😂She gives her opinion as if it's law or the only logical explanation. 🙄it's so annoying. And I actually like Tamar overall but I hate when she does that.
See this is where true Feminism comes to play. I believe that if a man doesn't want to have sex then he shouldn't be forced to. He can still be attracted to you and no want to have sex. As a women I say this now: "If a woman or man does not want to have sex they don't have to. I don't care if you, yourself is horny, if someone says not right now, the mean NOT RIGHT NOW." That's equality, that's Feminism.
Not all men are sex obsessed. You could miss out on a great guy who wants to build a relationship if you keep thinking like Tamar and Loni. And a good man will 100% respect a woman's choice whether they choose to have sex or not. There are more important things in life/relationships than sex.
I feel bad for Tamar. Obviously she has been used and abused by many men in her life for her to have such a negative view on All Men. I mean, what a shame. She has a husband and child. Yet she still has such a small minded opinion on men. When she acts like this, she's basically saying she's never actually been with a gentleman. Yet, if the subject was brought to her attention she would say "No huntieee. I've been with the Best of the Best." Notorious for never wanting to admit to weaknesses. She doesn't even realize it but it only makes Vince look bad when she does this.
but i also agree with tamera because when a guy says he doesnt want to have sex with a woman we go "he must be gay" but we don't do that for women. the worst we get in that case is "she's playing hard to get."
Tamar is off, so because a man doesn't want to smash someone they barely know or don't care about they have to be gay? but you'll be offended if he tries to pressure you into sex quickly. and I understand what Adrienne was saying, yeah you're tired some nights and just not feeling it or medical reasons BUT if you're already sexually active with a person, you can't expect that person to be okay with it. what you don't or won't do for your man or woman another person will.
No means No. End of discussion
exactly
Come on now. Come on somebody.
Ok when you ask for the bills to be paid; no means no
@@oil1252 just think about what you just said for a second
@@oil1252 I wish I could thumbs up this again, lol
I don't understand why it's so hard for them to believe that a man may choose to not have sex right away. I agree with Tamera, as usual. There are men out there who practice celibacy and want a meaningful relationship that is not based on sex.
Right!! There are men out there who are celibate. Sad that most women now days don't think it is possible.
I agree, there are more people who r waiting to have sex r practicing celibacy and not just because of their morals or religious reasons and I think that people who r choosing to having sex should put some RESPECK on this decision without making them feel something is wrong with them, if they don't agree with it find someone else but don't label or judge them cause u r choosing to do something different. #I ain't gon say it no moe😜
+Empressive AMEN! It's true, I think Tamar has just met so many duds and not enough good guys, which is probably why she has the attitude she has, but she always acts as if her opinion is the right one, no one else could ever possibly be right. I really truly don't like her, there are very few times when I actually like her, she really angers me most of the time.
+lilly c lol
+Empressive yeah tamera is always on point!!!
"It doesn't matter how far you go, if you say no it means no." YASSS Jeannie preach it! 👏
+Alandra Bradshaw lol way to yank the trophy from poor little Jeannie's hands
Yessss
Yeeeeeeeeeesssss
And they always want to take advantage of that lol. That kind of ish gets you slapped. Like have some damn RESPECT for that woman .. smh
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It's funny to me that we talk about having men respecting our wishes and no means no, but you turn around and tell guys they might be gay if they want to slow down? that's just awful to me
Exactly. This is the type of mindset that pisses me off. Double standard af.
+Ellen Phetsa exactly
Omg you're right 😱
Right
And then we keep perpetuating the lower standards that this society has about sex and eventually people rethink morals...it's just a bad downward spiral. People taking on that mindset is why celibacy/abstinence is made out to be a crazy and impossible feat when in actuality it ultimately gets you with the right person for life instead of one night and a string of heartbreaks.
I actually respect Adrienne for sharing that story, not a lot of people would and she kept it real 100%. People need to stop with these double standards and accept peoples decisions whether male or female!
Doesn't matter who says no, the man or the woman, if you are just not feeling the other person or are just not in the moment then YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY NO!!!!
And another thing IT SURE AS HELL DONT MEAN HES GAY!!! Just...stop with that ok.
+Xk8rsx 👏👏👏 amen
+Xk8rsx preach! 🙌
+Xk8rsx girl you better preach!
Hat's off to you, girl! The last time I checked, consent does not have a gender.
As always I agree with Tamera and I also agree with Jeannie. There are some men who are not obsessed with sex and sometimes they just don't want to have sex. Tamar can sometimes be immature and irrational.
Absolutely
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+MsBrooklyn11232 I agree. To say 'something in the milk isn't clean' because a man wants to get to know a woman before sleeping with her is so immature and small-minded.
+Jazzy One *smh* that made me feel exasperated with her. People who don't believe in genuine relationships make me sad.
Tamar always wants to be the best among them eventually turns out be stupid, irritating and annoying 😏
Poor Adrienne; she's trying to keep her cool in. I really don't agree with Loni's and Tamar's perspective this time. Some guys actually do want to "slow down" without any ulterior motive
No one cares about what adrienne has to say
Its true
If a man or woman says no, it should be respected.
Yessss
Plain and simple.
They should teach these things in home and school
Wait, so Tamar and Loni are trying to say that if a man turns down sex with you, that he's either not into you or gay?? That's total BS and sounds ridiculous.
agree.
+Aja Giselle Yeah they sound crazy!! Yikes
Tamar just likes to hear the sound of her own voice.
+Aja Giselle Yeah also that comes off as sexist to me. You would not automatically accuse a woman of not being straight if she declined.
Helena Exactly!
This is such a double standard. There are alot of men who may be virgins, celibate or want to slow down for that special someone and we need to allow men to be comfortable in that right without implying he is gay.
Exactly.
PlanetElle thanks
I gotta give Loni and Tamar the side eye this time. I mean, I am so tired of that old tired ass "Men Will Be Men" mentality! Just because a guy doesn't want to have sex right away doesn't mean he's gay or that there's something wrong with him. Not all men want sex right away. Some men value their bodies as well as the relationship they have with you more than getting physical, so much so that they are willing to wait as long as possible to prove that they are about emotional commitment first and foremost. Stop putting people in boxes. We men, as well as women, are NOT monoliths. We are all complex, diverse, and, most of all, unique beings with different perceptions, perspectives and preferences.
STOP pigeonholing people and perceiving them through outdated society-influenced biases and start accepting people for who THEY show and tell you THEY ARE, not who you think, would rather or have been told they are!
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This right here is a sermon. Come through, brother! 👐👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
+Sava Thank you Pastor Sava
Tiya Caemara Thank you!
Intersectionality Haha! Thank you for the support!
Tamar was legit just RUDE in this. Sorry. I do not care for her words. Not at all, honey. Rude rude rude rude RUDE.
+Jordan Taylor you are sooooo right!!!! it such bullshit to say "oh yea he must be gay because he didn't want to sleep with me or that he doesn't want to be with you" if he didn't he would not take the time for you this is so sexist and women want equal rights how are we gonna get that when they talk like this???
I think she is being REAL in her own right, ITS about five of them views of the topic being discussed ,, just because it doesn't sound politically correct doesn't mean it aint REAL
@@kimoyadavis6975 well it's 4 now 😂
Kimoya Davis that’s not being real THE REAL Tamar is also a bitch but she is all bark and no bite
Glad shes off the show.. fired
I'm really disappointed in Tamar and Loni's reaction to Adrienne's story. I can't stand when people act like that when it comes to men and sex. They act as if men are just these animals who their only duty to have sex with any and everything. We women say we want a man who is about more than just sex but when we get one, we treat him like Tamar and Loni and act as if something is wrong with him. Then we tend to complain about men supposedly having more sexual freedom but I feel like its contradicting because we act as if that's all men are about. I think men deal with plenty of double standards like women do but they aren't broadcasted and this is definitely one of them.
Exactly, making Adrienne feel like it was something wrong with her r him. Like real shade n y'all suppose to b sisters....
+Cakeandsum Rosesplease You said it! Exactly! Double Standards are everywhere. Sometimes Loni & Tamar create a peer pressure environment. I like Jeannie cause she sticks by her opinions and is level headed.
agreed
The funny thing is that out of all of them you just know Loni and Tamar get it the least so its just like sour sour grapes, kinda like that conversation about how long the difference between a quickie and making love is, and Adrienne was talking about how when you make love it can go on for hours and the least time would be about 40 mins or something like that, and Tamar and Loni were just :/ like Loni laughed like it was a ridiculous notion and Tamar was just there with her stank face....I mean like if your men barely last five minutes like some horny teenagers than thats just you and i highly doubt either of you has had as much experience with men as Adrienne so dafuq do you know.
+Cakeandsum Rosesplease But they might be talking from experience they had with men
I like Adrienne. She is so secure in her opinion and stories but she still keeps it classy. Tamar sometimes thinks her opinions are facts.
That's so narrow minded to think that if a man doesn't want to have sex when you want to means he's either gay or getting it somewhere else. Tamar is dead wrong.
Her views on relationships can be so juvenile, it's appalling.
Tamar didn't say that.
She said the first part and implied the second. But even if you disagree, she SAID that if a man doesn't want sex from you when you offer it to him he doesn't want you. Which is still narrow minded.
All About Austin nuggets
That's a frustrating double standard. Both women AND men should be able to wait as long as they want to wait.
+Michaela K Straight up!!
Blue is Tamera's color. Remember when she slayed the blue pant suit and her was curly 🙌🏾
Her curly hair is the best 😍😍
Yyyyaaassss
Yasssss
@@Denise-ob8dk ok baby I'm
No
Not all men are the same. Some actually respect the act of having sex and want to wait. Women should know and understand that. He shouldn't automatically want to have sex with you just because he's a man and you're a woman. And you shouldn't feel offended when he turns you down.
Im here for Jeanie's genie ponytail 😊
PLW what about Tamar
I think its sad and even backwards that a person no matter male or female wanting to build a good relationship before having sex would be considered gay or playing games....Maybe not all men are stupid and shallow like that..I would LOVE to find a man that wanted to move slow in that area of our relationship. I'd prefer it!
+Mia Carter He'll come
Cassandra Muzik ♡♡
same
amen
Basically, just cause a guy doesn't want to have sex with a girl so soon, doesn't mean he is gay. Some women think he might be.
Tamar was kinda being childish towards Adrienne.
+Tiffany-Kelly Fritz She definitely was...and the fact that he was 35 makes sense. When people are younger I could see them rushing and not saying that but as a man gets older and still isn't with anybody they wanna start trying something new. Being 35 and wanting a relationship, I could easily see a man saying something like that. Just cuz Tamar never dealt with that shouldn't mean it's hard to believe especially at that age.
Tany Britt exactly.
Adrianne had me dying...nahhh it was clean lmao
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and Tamar gutter mind ass was on my wavelength when she said that
Yasss Jeanie, I COMPLETELY agree. No matter who it is, no means no!
Not all men are the same Tamar.
okay! like for real!
I so agree
+Ariana Jonhson ... she's messing with boys all her life, and she don't know to react when Gentlemen comes into her life, treats her with respect and his intentions are genuine...
+black4ev3r and that's why she married a millionaire..who's a gentlemen ...your dumb👍👍.
Tamar has a very good husband
I've learned not to pay attention to what Tamar says when it comes to these kind of conversation. The thing she says just smh lol let me not say it... I just stick with Tamera and Jeannie's opinions.
Lol, I totally agree.
+kika myverla Lol agree. I was watching this thinking, 'why am I torturing myself?' LOL! Love them...but I ride with Tamera on this.
lmao totally agreeing with you
kika myverla that's one of the reasons why I'm glad she's not on the show anymore.
kika myverla me too. And I appreciate Adrienne's transparency.
Tamar must have had really fucked up relationships if she's that close minded
She was in an abusive relationship before Vince
+John Cruz an abusive relationship has nothing to do with the fact that she's so closed minded that she thinks man has to be on the a closeted homosexual to want to take it slow.
+DeAndre Johnson I'll have to watch it again cuz I thought she meant that people withhold sex because they want something and that's the only reason anyone would say they wanted to slow things down.
+John Cruz after Loki said that and she wanted to cover her ass. That's what "something in the milk ain't clean" means and she actually said around the 3:00 mark.
+DeAndre Johnson ahhhhh I see what you're saying, yeah that's fucked up. Adrienne gave her that "did you really just say that look" to.
Goes both ways, of course guys should be able to say it without offending the girl. If a guy wants to wait because he wants a real relationship with you, well personally I would respect that a lot. No problem with waiting.
Tamar's mind is so enclosed it's not even funny
+Le' Be i was thinking the same thing.
Hola Keila it really irritates me lol
It's obscene.... That is what it is.
Jjek
Jeannie looks like a Jeanie today. so adorbs!
tamar: "something in the milk ain't clean."
Adrienne: "no it was clean" 😂😂😂
Lmao
Tamar needs to QUIT sometimes!
Ridiculous double standards. Anyone can say no and have no questions asked.
The awkward moment when you're watching this, as a virgin, not really giving a crap about this situation.
lol👊
sex is overrated, stay a virgin until your truly in LOVE... men are selfish when it comes to sex
+shashayaway bailey that's the gospel truth!
lol right
Same.
Umm.. If you have morals and values and respect your body , then you should not let others or being judged for being a virgin ,, force you into having sex and you are not ready !
Amen pastor, amen. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
+Myronn Coleman I agree completely.Aren't these the men that they say they want?Men with standards and morals."You can tell a tree by it's fruit"
Exactly
Love me some long girl chat!!
yasssssss, 7mins
amen!
+Carpathianpixie195 love even longer than 7 mins
No means no! Thanks, Jeanie!
Well wait til marriage first of all. That's it. How many times do we need to go over this? Sex is more than just the physical. It's SPIRITUAL. It's the deepest connection that you can ever have with someone and people just go around giving it out like some Girl Scout cookies.
No.
Jewel Kitty Lol no what? No you don't agree? No it isn't spiritual? Elaborate hun.
+Danielle A. It's more than just sleeping with somebody and sharing bodily fluids. It's a deeper connection involving emotions and sharing a part of u. The person you've slept with may have also slept with several other partners, so you're ultimately sleeping with them too if thay makes sense
Ha! yes ma'am
+Danielle A.
Spiritual is an idea. I personally don't believe it at all, but I do believe that sex is an important connection. Waiting until marriage is irrelevant to whether you connect with someone sexually.
It's an important part of being with someone. Chemistry matters to some people and not everyone is interested in marriage.
There are other perspectives on the subject than just yours.
tamar is so disrespectful -.- I can't
Tamar dear can we talk.... STAY AWAY FROM PONY TAILS... This is hurting my eyes.
+Ese Osagie Nooooooo!!! hahahaha I'm dead! hahaha
"Can we talk" 😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂
lmaaoooooooooo stoppp
*dies*
Adrienne's little pout/smile is killing me! So on point everytime
If someone doesn't want to have sex why is that such a problem? No means no for EVERYBODY! Like I love this show but honestly they really are so hypocritical.
They are just being real about a double standard that exists! It's not just them that react this way. It's pretty common to expect men to be down whenever given an opportunity. But of course, when someone says no, it means no.
To be clear, unlike Tamar, I believe plenty of men out there want to take things slow in favor of getting to know someone. I am just talking about the initial reaction of women getting offended if they want to move forward and the guy says no
Francine Morris True, I understand. I usually side with Tamera when it comes to double standards. But I can understand where they Come from with initial reactions.
The woman in the text message was waaaaay out of line. If he doesn't want it he doesn't want it. No need to justify it or pressure it. NONE of that. End of story.
Cant believe Tamar said "something in the milk aint clean!" and Adrienne responded with "it was clean." loooool don't know if anyone caught on to that but talk about getting sexual.
It's a expression.
+annie parker never heard of it before
I caught it n I'm dyinggggg
what does it mean
+Bing Bong When something is not right
This happened to my guy coworker,he didn't even know this girl & she called him gay. Because he "turned down this million dollar pussy". so rude & disrespectful. Thank God my coworker is a gentleman
Lol laughed out loud when I saw the "million dollar pussy" 😂 but good for him. She was probably wack anyway
Honestly I agree with Tamera like honestly there are some good men out there who don't wanna have sex right away
ONCE AGAIN I LOVE JEANNIE for nuancing the debate here and stressing how important consent is no matter what gender/age you are. I agree with Tamera, it's just a different perspective. What can also happen is you decide to take things slow but then you get caught up in the moment and bam. But there are also people who intentionally play hard to get and I don't think there's anything wrong with it unless you're leading someone on and giving them false hope.
Absolutely! that must be Adrienne's favorite word!
I agree with Tamera. Tamar didn't make sense in her explanation, then once Loni spoke she immediately clung to her talking about "that's what I'm saying" Lol
"It was clean" 😂😂
Jeannie is so cute. She looks like a Disney star.
Brenda Song.
Tamar just looks BEAUTIFUL! I love this hair and makeup look on her!!
As a married woman, I like hearing Tamera and Jeanie's perspective on things. Maybe if Tamar could express herself without neck rolling and lip smacking, I would take her more serious.
Sooooooooooo,........ Let me get this straight to see if I understand clearly......! If a woman says "no" to a man for having sex is ok and normal, but if u man does it it automatically means that's he's "gay" , I don't get it?🤔🤔🤔🤔
Right....double standards
Literally nobody said that he might be gay though.
+MartianBlues then can u explain to me what was the meaning of the expression of Loni and Tamar then?? Coz that's the feeling that I'm having😗...and that is what they meant...... I'm confused, let me know😉
+MartianBlues Yes they did because although Loni and Tamar didn't say it literally Adrienne picked up on it and said "yea thats what I was thinking, which is people saying he isn't straight" followed by Tamar saying "yea its one of the two.."the two meaning. he is gay or not into you.
+Ama O rights, exactlyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!😏
Ugh. I'm worried impressionable people will watch this and think there's something wrong with them for saying no. Never, EVER feel bad about saying no. Whether you're male, female, in a long term relationship or it's your first time. You have every right to say no. No means no and there's nothing wrong with you.
Jeanie "MEEE?!" 😂😂
I feel bad for Tamar sometimes. Loni too. Tamera and Jeannie are my people.
Adrienne reminds me of myself sometimes. Confidence is key. she's a grown woman. I can't wait for her to carry herself more in the manner of one, in a cool and collected manner ^-^
+Bianca V I say the same thing. They really sound like ignorant jump offs. They was the type who let dudes use them b/c of no self esteem, that is why they don't understand a man wanting to get to know you first. Adrienne take your pointers from Jeannie & Tamara w marriage. They both saw the wait first in their husband, that is why they can relate. Just cause Tamar is married don't mean it's not easy. The way Vince is disturbed by her "ghettoness", he seem like he have, or had low self esteem and was glad someone like Tamar showed interest. He probably thought he couldn't get better. I love some Tamar, but she letting her ghettoness get the best of her and its getting annoying. I like when she give key points of how her mother raised her, like Tamara.
I feel bad for her at times too because she is saying these things based upon her past experience and tamera is my fave too followed by tamar
I like that Loni looks into the camera a lot of the time when she speaks.
I met a man that wanted to wait, he wanted to take his time and get to know me. He was not running game or sleeping with anyone else he just simply wanted to take it slow and now four years later we're still happily in love.
I love that Jeannie made it clear that no means no. No matter what no means no
why is it so hard to believe that not all men want to jump straight to sex. I know plenty of guys who save sex for last. of course they want it, but they hold out for their reasons.
+Loriana Hines exactly!!!! why must all relationships be based on sex..
Had to pause and read to make sure it wasn't a screen shot of one of my textversations 😂
+Lilith Ontop Lol
love jeannie's hair!!
Yassss.
I love you Tamar but.. when looking back on the old line up of the show.. the other ladies were really walking on "eggshells" when it came to Tamar. Can't believe I'm saying this but.. I am actually much happier with how things are now (without Tamar). The other ladies are allowed to express themselves a lot more now (which I believe is only fair). I trust she will go on to take the "constructive criticism" left by some of us on SM and continue to use this in a positive way. Peace & Love x
I usually agree with 95% of what Tamar says, but she's talking so much ish in this segment. And she's rude to people who want to wait
agree ... But didn't bother Jeanie and Tamera both wait before marrying their now husbands? think they've mentioned it before... sounds like Tamar forgot
i love girl chat ,you get to know each and individual personality
Me and my fiance enjoy each others company so much that we get physical after 2 years in relationship, and now we even love and attached to each other so much. I agreed with knowing him/her personality first. But again, its just how i take it.
Women like Tamar annoy me. I've done the casual random sex thing and I didn't like it. It's not unusual for a man to reject meaningless sex.
To assume a man is gay because he rejects you sexually is so petty.
+madmann1000 Exactly its an immature perspective that often comes from insecurity.
agree, so disrespectful
Well put
Exactly.
Yes Tamar yes 😡 it absolutely drives me crazy, when I say I'm tired my husband gives me an attitude but when I'm willing and ready and he says he's tired I'm supposed to be caring and understanding. Double standards are too real😬
Social media and society give so much attention to the unfaithful men and women that they make the faithful men and women sound like a fantasy. There are a lot of GOOD men and women out here who genuinely want to live a financially stable, drama free and happy life without having sex all the time! People keep forgetting that sex is just PART of a successful relationship it doesn't validate the WHOLE relationship!
I would find it disrespectful if a female assumed a man was gay because he didn't want to rush into it. I think when men have been with a lot of women and then come to the point where they're ready to settle, they sometimes don't want to rush into things, especially if they respect the woman they're with :). However I'm talking from situations I've heard about, personally I've only ever had one partner and that's my husband and that's the exact same for him.
3:50 Tamera is so innocent. I love it.
It is kind of sad how women are quick to label men as gay when they are not in a rush to have sex. Like how there is pressure for women, there is pressure for men as well. Tamar didn't know what that man went through in his past relationship. Maybe he took things too quickly in his past relationships and wanted to go a different path with Adrienne because he liked her a lot. Nethertheless, i enjoyed this discussion. SN: Tamar kind of reminds me of Vivica Fox in the face today.
tamar that is NOT what you were trying to say!!
First of all Jeanie's hair is adorable.. Secondly Tamar you can have an opinion without shutting down everybody else's opinion.
no Tamar actually there are guys out there that are respectful. if he wasn't clean as she tried to insinuate then his dirty ass would want to sleep with her. mind you there are very few good men out there not many but they are out there. and no doesn't mean they are gay.
why does that broad always think her opinions are the only ones that should be had.
Ikr!! She lives in some fantasy world where men are like sex robots 24/7... Especially weird because she just said a minute ago that she herself is sometimes too tired...Yet she doesn't realize that a guy could be too.. Like ???
Okayy so i think i figured it out;
Tamar has wack reasoning
Tamera is the rational one
Loni just dont make sense...shell say things and ill be like...whaaat?
Jeannie is real
Adrienne is the cute one
Basically Loni and Tamar gots to go lol
+Carolanne Tomsine I think Loni pointed out a realistic fact, Tamar speaks for herself.
Okay here's the deal. *takes a deep breath* Now, on this subject whether you are a man or a woman, If your a virgin or not a virgin, If someone is feeling like they want to slow down and not rush into having sex and they tell you no, you have to respect that PERIOD. I am definitely agreeing with Tamera and Jeannie right now. Tamar not so much because opinions like hers, is the reason why good men are always getting a bad name. Women are always used to men wanting to go the fast route and then when they deal with a man that wants to slow things down, they quickly assume that he could be seeing someone else or he might be gay. Come on ladies be honest with yourselves how would you feel if you started dating a guy and you wanted to take things slow and he started to think that you were with another man or that you might be a lesbian but deep down you just really wanted to take things slow and you try to convince him but he just doesn't believe you. You would feel hurt right? Well how do you think those men that are really ready to settle down and not just have sex with you feel because all you doing is just assuming??? Give the good ones a chance and stop blowing them all away cause you could be blowing away your future husband.
1st. I cringe everytime Tamar talks about her and Vince doing it. Ew.. And why she gotta yell like that??
I can't take her lately. And that opinion of hers is BULL!!! A guy CAN take it slowly... Just because they didn't do it with you, doesn't me they won't take it slow with others..
2nd.. These girl need to stop kissing Tamar's ass!! They always agree with her! Especially Adrienne
+Baby Girl I feel like they have bad sex! She's just trynna play it off.. Like when Lonni likes to yell about loving the single life
+Baby Girl 😩😩😩 You said Ming Lee! Wrong for that! Lmao
+Ms Me her name is Jeannie ;)
Adrienne does agree with her all the Time and that's why Tamar always cuts her off and shuts down her opinion.
No surprise that I agree with Tamera. Tamar, it is not a game. It is a different albeit unpopular perspective. Some guys are more interested in getting to know someone than hopping into bed with them. I know this because I'm one of them, and made that clear to my wife when I started dating her 10 years ago.
Thank you! Can you please inform the youth of today pleaseee! Cause what they're saying here is pure bs. The only two that are right here Tamera and Jeanie. Idk what Loni ia talkin about that women have labels. Yes we have labels but so do men as well. They have labels just as much as women do and she makes it seem like its only for women theres labels when its not even like that.
Hats off to you! 👏👏 Thank you for setting this straight. We need more like you in the world.
Tamar at the end "yeah don't play with me like that, that ain't funny" 😂😂😂😂😂 lmfaooo
ok so we're all agreed jeannies our favourite? da fun were tamar and loni talking about...
From the comments it's safe to say nearly everyone was annoyed by Tamar in this segment😂She gives her opinion as if it's law or the only logical explanation. 🙄it's so annoying. And I actually like Tamar overall but I hate when she does that.
I swear. This time I was like, damn. Usually I'm team Tamar, but it's a no from me boo.
Jeannie looks so pretty here
Tamar: it has ? 👀 watchu mean ? do tell...
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yes and married people go through this always.
The word “No” is a statement on its own. You don’t ever need to give an explanation as to why you said “No” to something.
"I ain't never had that problem." Lies you tell, Mrs. Braxton-Herbert! 🙄🙄😅😅
See this is where true Feminism comes to play. I believe that if a man doesn't want to have sex then he shouldn't be forced to. He can still be attracted to you and no want to have sex. As a women I say this now: "If a woman or man does not want to have sex they don't have to. I don't care if you, yourself is horny, if someone says not right now, the mean NOT RIGHT NOW." That's equality, that's Feminism.
I love Jeannie's reaction! Lol
Not all men are sex obsessed. You could miss out on a great guy who wants to build a relationship if you keep thinking like Tamar and Loni. And a good man will 100% respect a woman's choice whether they choose to have sex or not. There are more important things in life/relationships than sex.
Amen brotha! It's how these two ladies were brought up then, ghetto culture perhaps. But my fiance was like this when we started dating.
I feel bad for Tamar. Obviously she has been used and abused by many men in her life for her to have such a negative view on All Men. I mean, what a shame. She has a husband and child. Yet she still has such a small minded opinion on men. When she acts like this, she's basically saying she's never actually been with a gentleman. Yet, if the subject was brought to her attention she would say "No huntieee. I've been with the Best of the Best." Notorious for never wanting to admit to weaknesses. She doesn't even realize it but it only makes Vince look bad when she does this.
Jeannie's serving up Wilma Flintstone realness! Hair stylist did a great job.
It's obvious that Adrienne is talking about Lenny.
Chile, Loni's face right when Jeannie was done talking.....😂😂😂
She was looking like,"Oh.......so that's what 'NO' really means....hhmm." Too funny!
What time mark in the video ?
Girl like around 5:39-5:41
Loni looks absolutely beautiful. These braids on her r everything
but i also agree with tamera because when a guy says he doesnt want to have sex with a woman we go "he must be gay" but we don't do that for women. the worst we get in that case is "she's playing hard to get."
That lady harassing that man would be all kinds of mad if a man did that to her... big ole double standard
Tamar can never let anyone have their opinion... unless they're agreeing with her
Yes! I kid you not, I said the exact same thing so long ago!
the ladies be talking real stuff that goes on everyday and people lives I love this show
Tamar is off, so because a man doesn't want to smash someone they barely know or don't care about they have to be gay? but you'll be offended if he tries to pressure you into sex quickly. and I understand what Adrienne was saying, yeah you're tired some nights and just not feeling it or medical reasons BUT if you're already sexually active with a person, you can't expect that person to be okay with it. what you don't or won't do for your man or woman another person will.