Hey guys. Can you please get someone to read out the text of the written statements at the end? I had the same difficulties with your brilliant report on the occupation outside the arms company. I'm visually impaired (functionally blind), so struggle to visually read text, and definitely can't do it at the speed that it comes up on the screen. Yes, I use assistive technology, but it's not magic. It can't read text out of image / video files with any kind of reliability, and it takes a hell of a lot of work and using several different software packages. It would be sooooo nice if there was just a voice, human or artificial, reading out that final block of text.
This is very viable. The extra work is valuable and will cost you time, but you (JOE) could ask ur fans to volunteer or even stick the text in a TTS (text to speech) converter, maybe sync it with the text on screen too @@YourQueerGreatAuntie
Yes. When I lived in London in the 80s and 90s, there were creative communities like this all over the place. I rented a studio in one of them in an old warehouse in Chiswick. Let's face it, it's these people who breathe cultural life into cities. Force them to leave at your peril, as they will establish themselves elsewhere leaving London to continue its trajectory towards being a sterile cultural desert. Let's add it to the long and growing list of things we got wrong in the name of 'progress' over the last few decades. London used to be one of the most exciting cities in Europe but it now pales in comparison with Berlin, Basel, Wroclaw, Amsterdam, Prague, Leipzig and even Paris. It sold its soul and is now paying the price.
Joe needs to pin a comment pointing out that these people are NOT squatters! They actually pay rent and council tax. Look up Haringey Warehouse Flats for rent, a single furnished room is currently going for £675pcm including bills and a double room for £850pcm. Living with 8 other people the ad notes, 2 bathrooms and a kitchen too. That's pretty good, I used to live in Oxfordshire paying higher rates than that and the rooms were dire compared to these pics.
@@Melissa.Garrett "I think the term is custodianship?" nope, they're different and has no security of tenancy either. Warehouse generally have proper leases, either commercial, live/work and sometimes just residential (although that's more rare).
Godspeed to ‘em! Hackney used to be full of places like this and now they’re just bland ‘luxury apartments’. The artists and freaks are the ones that make these places cool and desirable, and then they invariably get priced out. Maybe they can change the cycle?
The warehouses are an amazing and incredible place of true human flourishing. The amount of creativity and warmth that residents give to one another and to visitors is just incredible. They must be protected!
They're also pockets of fascism dressed as left-wing politics . . . and I'm left wing by the way and a resident. People can sometimes get treated very badly by cliquism, many people have mental health issues that don't get proper help and drug abuse can be quite bad sometimes, and I'm not against drugs either, just against their abuse. Suicide rates have been high but that might partly be to do with the effects of Covid long term. And even though I've just given the opposite view, I do agree they fulfil a purpose you rarely see in London.
I live in a neighbouring warehouse (different estate, not yet in danger...fingers crossed) and I just wanted to clarify that we all pay rent and council tax, I think this is a great insight into warehouse living but it makes it look like they're still squatting like back in the early 00s, which is not the case. These places are very much legal. They're an alternative way of living for people seeking community and a sense of belonging that a regular flat situation doesn't provide. It attracts mainly creative people because of the amount of space each individual gets and the sense of freedom of expression this polyvalent buildings bring.
It really would be sacrilege to destroy this community and build a more expensive alternative. I agree with Caitlin, she makes very valid points. As someone who used to be involved in creative industry (photography), I totally understand why these people live together and support each other. They are doing no harm, leave it as it is.
Just up the road from me, used to deliver there, in the old days as a driver. Love how it is now, been here before though, Hoxton/Shoreditch, Hackney Wick, a losing battle i think...love how peoples lives are described as a 'product' by the developer!
And the cheeky comment that the development would benefit to the 'local community' and won't price out existing residents, commodify the area & eventually contribute to gentrification.
The state of the housing in London, and more broadly the UK is shocking! All the greedy landlords want is more and more rent, developers just want to build luxury flats,that no ordinary people can't afford it's disgusting! The government Tories or Labour won't help, what choice do people have!
Look at the freehold cost of property in London. Landlords are not a charity and i don't suppose you are either. Everyone has to be able to feed themselves including landlords.
@@PaulEleftheriou-we7vr I don't think so. There are millions of landlords so the price is the market price. This has been my experience. You get what you pay for except the government rules and stuff make it more expensive. The government are in fact in the process of making renting even more costly, re green standards.
I used to squat in London and Birmingham. I've also rented many properties and am now a home owner. All the disrepair problems I've had have been in rented accommodation. Squatters look after and improve their properties better than landlords. Some of the properties I had to pay rent for were unfit for human habitation. Many had damp and disrepair problems. The ceiling even collapsed in one of them.
On a wider level, I've begun to hate the rhetoric of "pragmatism" and "common sense" that continually tells us that a life in the arts is "unrealistic" and that people like these should get "real" jobs, If we continue to hollow our cultural landscape in the name of "being realistic", we're going to have little to nothing left to actually feed creative innovation.
Largely agree. But artists have always had a difficult life. Another factor is that the country is getting poorer, living standards are dropping. If you go to somewhere like India you don't see many people studying art or doing creative work. It's all computer science and business because that's what puts food on the table.
@@1adamuk So, no other artist should have it any easier, either, and because not so many people in India study or practice the arts, no one here should either, by your logic. 🤔 Hmm, seems legit. 🤨
I live in Amsterdam and there are lots of old warehouses etc that were converted. In some places they actually build new buildings around the old warehouses, so they form a kind of ‘core’, preserving the original architecture. For me the solution is clear, preserve this community and their warehouse and build around and ontop of it. The luxury apartments can live above the hippy artists. Obv this won’t happen as some snobs wont want to live above ‘that type’ so the property value will fall, but honestly, I dont care. We should force a compromise.
I agree but this campaign is against this kind of compromise and worry that anyone living in flats above them will try to shut them up. Doesn't matter though, b/c the UK and many other developed countries are absolutely suffering through a housing shortage and cost of living crisis. London can't get enough housing w/o rethinking the use of every plot of land, and building extensions to the artist warehouses is really the only way to do that while preserving affordability for artists.
@@lozoft9 As I understand it they are protesting the warehouses basically being torn down and converted into luxury apartments that the hippies cannot afford. A valid concern. If the hippies resist a compromise to build around them as I suggest then they are also being assholes but that doesnt seem to be the case. These things absolutely can be done, it just requires an open minded city council, as I think we have in Amsterdam generally even if I still disagree on some stuff they are really trying radical stuff to improve the city. From what I know of London councils they are uptight dicks, that being said I only hear stories, for example of Hackney Council and Antepavilion.
I live round the corner from the warehouse district in Harringay. I feel so lucky to have this and everybody in them nearby. The community spaces, music rooms, gigs, and the bars are all unique. The comparison with Hackney Wick was notable. I do not want to end up like that.
Innovators. There's nothing wrong with a little innovation. Adding colour and promise to a grey and dreary neighbourhood. It's like living in an art gallery. 🙂
Who said the neighbourhood was grey and dreary? Haringey Green Lanes is one of the most culturally diverse areas of London. Not that you would know that by looking at this video.
If it was going to be social housing I may have had a different opinion, but this looks so beautiful, it seems so wrong to break up this loving community in the heart of London.
Love your interview style, you always ask open questions that aren’t trying to bias towards one answer, even when you don’t agree with the people like in your other interview pieces, keep up the good work
Remember that scandal with property speculator Barclay? When Jenrick was Housing Minister and went out of his way to save him on his tax bill at the expense of a local council. 😑
Labour councils and politicians have long had close ties with developers aswell and when Corbyn was in charge he did nothing about the social cleansing involving Labour councils and working class communities.
They already have housing they can afford, they're paying rent and council tax. This is an argument NOT to destroy existing affordable housing to build luxury developments instead.
@@giansideros Except its been proposed to have flats added as an extension to the original building and the artist spaces to be preserved. They're against that too.
Actually it's not racist it's what's happening in a lot of new builds where overseas investors buy up blocs- several- within new blocks as investments and they sit empty. IT'S CALLED LAND BANKING
Developers hate culture and don't understand the bigger picture. It's heartbreaking and has been for a couple of decades. I hope it is not too late or the artistic community can recycle the new builds when they eventually go and fail.
I dont think it matters whether its culture or not. If this was a community of accountants with a neat little boring collective that would be jsut as nothing to them.
@@vomgrady if they pooled their ressources like these guys they could. Any of us could. Unfortuntely theres a concerted effort to not allow that. And government plays a big role in that too. Housing associations get land or buildings and the government has come in and compulsory purchased out from under them and then spend public money to build at a much more expensive rate and worse housing that the cooperstives themslves hahve proposed and paid for planning permission etc. THey drain them untill they have no money left to pay for more permissions or there are people like vulture funds who have ten different kind of mortgages available to them instantly who can jump in and outbid someone who might have a mortgage for a certain type of sale but not another. Its so orchestrated to tie peoples hands from owning property unless youre willing to pay over and above the odds for which you will charge over and above the odds for rent.
NOBODY wants to live in typical residential units, which are completely devoid of community, unity, or acceptance of creative differences. Of course, the powers that be, want to discourage REAL community of togetherness and support. Their ONLY interest is power through money … they could care less about “being” HUMAN BEINGS. Those powers are a distortion of humanity. Hooray for the LONDON WAREHOUSE RESIDENTS!!! Georgia, USA!
It's 2023, there's a housing crisis, most people are just happy to have a roof over their heads, and we should be creating more roofs for more heads. Obviously, the warehouses shouldn't be torn down, but I honestly couldn't care less that new housing is bland or whatnot, we need more homes!
They're already paying rent to live in these warehouses. The sort of amount that would easily allow them to get a place outside of London. I don't see a reason why they would be homeless.
How much do they currently pay rent? If they are contributing to council tax, water rates and electric - they should be allowed to stay. If they are living for free and not contributing back into the wider community then I don't believe that is right. I didn't see/hear anything in the mini doc to confirm what the legal situation is.
When developers come along throwing cash around it doesn't matter what your rights are. Look at the HS2, a railway nobody wants and people have lost their homes from it.
@@THEVL0GPOD thanks for this. I felt like Joe missed a trick by not asking those questions showing it's not just a squatter situation. If they are indeed paying the land owner rent, the council tax and also Gas/Electric & Water the developers should sod off. Its a classic example of Greed over Humanity.
Those with very limited fund’s don’t pay and that’s the problem? And not the uber wealthy who don’t pay their fair taxes, leeches income from workers and the community by legislators with “legal“ bribery? If you pay but think others “ought” to … 1. Don’t be jealous 2. Support what they’re doing so others, and possibly yourself will benefit in the future. 3. Add to a better future and not take it away because you’re not living it. You are enjoying yesterday’s future of the past. People want to forge a better life - not the same staid, boring, greedy, selfish, hateful, unsustainable, and angry mess humanity has been caught-up in across the globe. The world is literally dying and yet, there’s a small heroic group of people showing us how to survive.
@@sharongillesp I do agree. The world unfortunately for so long has been powered by greed and money. It will take a world wide change to stop this as it's so engrossing.
If I was a millionaire I would love to live next door to these creative young people creating cultural capital. Greed is destroying everything of worth.
I would contest that these are like the flats that working class black people lived in the 90s early 2000s etc. Come see where I used to live in Hoxton to see true inner cities. Though even that has been mostly gentrified now.
Modern architecture is mostly bland and lifeless, it takes no account of the needs of human beings other than an expensive roof over their heads, for those who can afford them. These type of places tap into on the creative, psychological well being of their inhabitants which then spreads throughout the larger community. It is imperative such spaces not only be kept but also encouraged.
Those with very limited fund’s don’t pay and that’s the problem? And not the uber wealthy who don’t pay their fair taxes, leeches income from workers and the community by buying legislators through “legal“ bribery? If you pay and think others “ought” to … 1. Don’t be jealous 2. Support what they’re doing so others, and possibly yourself will benefit in the future. 3. Add to a better future and not take it away because you’re not living it. You are enjoying yesterday’s future of the past - aren’t you? People want to forge a better life - not the same staid, boring, greedy, selfish, hateful, unsustainable, and angry mess humanity has been caught-up in across the globe. The world is literally dying and yet, there’s a small heroic group of people showing us how to not just survive but THRIVE.
@@jamiewhogivesa2386 Squatters? It's cut rate accommodation for creatives, it's completely legitimate as was stated at the start. Even the developers at the end said it was a question of 'viability' over using their land because these people do pay rent, and the rates are the reason they're able to. The model was clearly viable for the developers in the first place so all I can see being justifiable is a rent increase in-line with inflation, but to be fair knowing property developers and landlords it'd probably be extortionate nonetheless.
Their rent should be free and they could open a gallery and music venue within the warehouse to create some income. We need more artists and less greed.
Humans doing all the menial tasks for minimum wage while the AI robots make artworks, paint and write novels and poetry, with the people living in slums and the tech-oligarchs living in utopin space palaces is not the future I had in mind.... Capitalism ruins everything; our humanity, our empathy...even our dreams. We need a true people's revolution. The sooner the beter.
I work in local authority development. So i completely understand all of this and it always breaks my heart when these type or projects arise. I don't know the full detail, but sounds like a mixed use project. The developers want to improve the site but also create more housing and the downside is some of the warehouses need knocking down or converted. Its sad, but the only way forward is compromise. The developers NEED to ensure there will be space for their businesses to continue to thrive in that area. As with many creative spaces like this, they are grown from roots up and create value and interest in the area and that is ALL the hard work of the creatives. Baltic Creative in Liverpool is a literal similar case to this on a bigger level. Yes fatcat developers will always try and come in and take that success by builiding flats and riding off the 'trendiness' but as long as the place has that unique identity and strong group of creatives fighting, they usually come out on top. As the community value is just too strong to stamp over. Community cohesion is a strong passion of mine, and i shred a tear of joy when they said they got more objections, and i work in a council! 😂
I think theres a wider issue here of why so many feel compelled to move to London to work, as this is what drives gentrification. Why is so little done to increase investment and employment elsewhere in the country?
As an example Germany has less regional inequality than the UK and therefore less regional investment disparity, which is shocking when you consider that half of the country was a communist state until the late 80's
Germany has less regional inequality b/c it's a federal state. The various bundesländer (equivalent of US states) are allowed to do things like provide economic development incentives for companies that site jobs in their borders. If this was applied to the UK, the Scottish and Welsh gov'ts, and maybe even the historical counties of England, could do the same. Of course the UK would have to be careful not to end up like the US where so much control is given to states and municipalities that it creates a race-to-the-bottom on taxes, education, labor laws, etc.
Used to live in a neighbouring warehouse and I really hope they win their fight. BUT I do have to say that for every unit that was as vibrant and creative as this one there was a unit that *was* just people taking a bunch of drugs, partying a lot, and pissing off the locals. Not to mention landlords that didn't give a shit and treated their residents abominably. If all the warehouse communities could be as inspiring as this one, there would be less argument to have them torn down and everyone would win.
For every vibrant and creative unit there was another one that was bad? An arbitrary 50%? I don't think these kind of dramatised comments are going to help the overall situation... and to be honest, that illustration is not my experience of the place at all. There are far more creative things going on than are not. Did you not go to Quilt Club?
@@FourBee-xt4fp Enough for it to be a recurring problem certainly. My point is it's not as simple as warehouse communities = good. Some have problems and I saw many talented people move away because of them, then their spaces get taken by whoever will pay rent and it becomes party central. It was bad for my community and it gives the big property developers ammunition. I see this mostly as a problem with the warehouse landlords - some are great at supporting a creative community and others are not. I would like to see the latter pressured to do better. That's glossing over a lot of detail but I don't want to write an essay in a UA-cam comment. I'm very glad your experience is different to mine. No, I never heard of Quilt Club, maybe we didn't have it in Arena Design.
This is true to an extent but not sure about the percentage. Lot's of damaged people getting more damaged though for sure and sometimes not particularly healthy attitudes towards them within the culture. It's a mixed bag I'd say and if you live in a mixed bag make your choices wisely 🤔
Crazy, I used to live near by. Something about the light in there reminded me of vague childhood memories from some building or other that I've been in. Such a shame we don't build places with lots of natural light as much as we should
Yeah, London is just being redrawn by property developers searching for profit. I never heard of these Haringey artists until this video, but it's still a bleak picture. I am a Newham boy, having grown up during the emergence of the 2012 Olympics and the tearing down of the Boleyn for housing. For the Olympics, so many tenants who had nowhere else to go were forced out to make way for the Olympic Park. And instead of trying to house locals in the borough with the highest homelessness rate in the country, these new apartments are way more expensive, and richer people have been brought in to make the problem worse...
These people do not reprsent the areas they occupy any more than the property developers, they are part of gentrification all the same, where was this same energy when the real people of these poor areas, the working class, were watching there council estates and tower blocks getting torn down and replaced with the middle class.....
Council housing can get gentrified. Warehouse living can get gentrified. Being at the lower end of the earning spectrum makes you a target for gentrification whether it's council housing or warehouses. Anybody who lives in an area represents the area, rich or poor, and whatever culture, race or religion you come from. The divisions are somewhat false. The working class should fight as much for their homes as anyone should and I believe council housing should be preserved as much as possible. Finding the will power to do so isn't always easy no matter your council housing or warehouse.
The seems interesting, who do they pay rent to? Who actually owns the warehouse, is it the council? I am genuinely interested in knowing more as we don’t get to hear or see anything about this …
It seems there's various companies that own various warehouses around London, that all seem to be connected via papertrails. I believe they pay to Majorlink, the company thats trying to push the redevelopment
@@wongonat they are almost all entirely owned by the orthodox Jewish community, the same with Majorlink. It's an interesting way they do business, as in circulatory debt and loans between them within the culture. The debt moves around and is never paid off but instead stays within an enclosed system. At least that's what I heard. Would make an interesting study academically and economically.
Artificially lowering rent solves one person’s rent problem, and confounds another. We need to build much, much more quality and affordable housing now. Why can’t there be cross party support on this? 😢
I mean, building more houses won’t necessarily solve the problem because we don’t have a housing shortage. Properties are just too expensive for anyone, outside the top 5% earners. We need government that will commit to regulating housing prices. Personally I don’t get why property prices aren’t being capped. How are empty, unaffordable properties helping the economy. Capping prices will at least get the money flowing. But what do I know…
@@SB-sg4em We have a shortage of housing, that’s why the prices are so high (even if all those empty expensive properties were filled). If you built more houses, that would bring prices down (assume ‘demand’ stayed constant), and that would filter down to all properties. Perhaps the government could limit the number of houses can buy as investments? Or stop that all together. Or stop non-UK investors buying UK properties. You could for sure argue that should be paused until the housing crisis is solved.
@@yesthestone9392 there's a shortage of affordable housing. In England alone there are 675,000 empty houses of which 250,000 are classed as long term empty. Which just means 6 months or more. That's just the houses themselves to say nothing of the size of them either. Just how many people could move into these houses if only they were affordable. Just Google how many homes are empty in the UK and you see all the results
@@yesthestone9392 no, it seems most places with high rents do not have a shortage of housing. The issue is primarily that large investors hold a large percentage of available stock, meaning they can price gauge the rental market and that when they do sell they have lowered the stock available on the market, artificially increasing the property’s market value. There are many ways to deal with this but one approach would be to make owning multiple properties unappealing as an investment one way you could do this is by increasing the tax owed on every additional property an individual or investment firm owns. The other issue I have seen is that the British bank Barclay’s is now the largest landlord in Britain. This to me sounds like when film studios in Hollywood also owned the movie theaters - it’s a monopoly. Barclay’s sells mortgages so if they have a larger stake in housing than anyone else they can charge predatory mortgage rates, because it’s in their best interest as a business. Housing has become very attractive to big investors because they know it’s a necessity - i.e. it’s a captive market. Just look at what warren buffet is doing with trailer parks in the US - it’s heartbreaking and truly disgusting.
The housing situtation is completely dire, even if you get a place to live it is often substandard with a rent that is too high. On the whole landlords and property developers are parasites with far too much power granted to them by the political parties who do dodgy deals with them. If you ask me what is required is an autonomous, grass roots campaign utilising mass squatting and the demand for a million social housing units to be built.
My son converted a warehouse in Hackney Wick in the early 2000. I don’t know what he means about homogenized. It may be now but it certainly wasn’t then.
It's for the very reason the occupants will be moved out. Culture has been a major casualty of the past 50 years. Try to find out how many orchestras worked in this country in 1979. You will be astonished. This means, no matter what objections you can imagine, the new corporate flats will be built. You need to attract many more people. You need to demonstrate your worth to humanity. We can all think up decor and odd places to dry clothes. But this has no monetary value. And money is the God we all pray to now.
With so many empty properties owned by rich foreigners, it's amazing that Brexit-style rhetoric doesn't apply to greedy money-making schemes: seeing housing as an asset rather than a home. We are a sick society.
Nevermind free expression, some people live in "not home" homes for money reasons. Nice make more people homeless government. Thats a bloody brilliant idea. (I fucking love that bathroom door by the way, you guys are cool, keep being yourselves!)
I empathise with her saying they aren’t druggies trashing the place, and I 100% believe her. But I hope shes also aware enough that there are alot of squatters etc who do absolutely trash places. I hope her efforts to normalise her lifestyle and perhaps for us as a society to tackle the scummy squatters who do trash things so they can live in peace.
@@colincampbell4261 people absolutely do. I’ve found someone sleeping on my property (a boat) and after just 2 nights he’d broken a panel, been spitting all over the floor, stolen from the fridge, and damaged the floor. Thats just a personal annecdote. There are plenty examples of squatters occupying a space, smashing doors and windows, ruining furniture, spray painting walls. Literally just look online for videos. The ‘Cant pay we’ll take it away’ show on channel 4 years back featured them removing some squatters from a school that got left empty for a month and they caused hundreds of thousands of pounds of damage. There is clearly 2 types of squatters, some, like this crowd, who clearly care for their surroundings, and the other, more infamous kinds who are scumbags who trash it.
@@jonsmith5058 'My property (a boat)', there is your issue. If it is yours not ours, why should he care? 🤔 Yet he could smashed it up more, he did not. Also get lost with the 'stolen from the fridge', you mean he feed himself.
@@gHGhej excuse me? So you think its ok to just spit all over the floor of someone else and take food or drink they paid for cause we should only care about stuff that is ‘ours’? Oh and he stole beer, so get out of here with ‘feeding himself’. In that case you must be super cool with the develops metaphorically spitting all over the property of these artists. Why should they care what happens to em? Its assholes like you who think they can take whatever they want and get irrationally mad if anyone tries to recall anything you stole.
They're not squatters though, they actually pay council tax too. Look up ads for warehouse rooms in Haringey if you don't believe me. Pretty affordable if you don't mind living with 8 other people.
@@EYDuff wait till he hears about long term vacant residences (or "investments" as equity speculators would call it), not to mention Airbnbs, buy to let mortgages and holiday homes. Funnily enough you don't hear these lot talking about a one child policy to lower the demand either.
It's not about immgration really, it's about class at the end of the day. The system is rigged against ordinary working class people and that's why Thatcher sold off all the social housing and every government since has continued with that and not replaced it with new social housing. Thats just one problem, there are many stacked up against working class people and we need to get together, do something about it and fight back. It's the ruling class who take up far too much space, not the ordinary people (wether born here or not) who are crammed into towns and cities with not enough room and resources etc. The problem is the rich (ruling class) and their capitalist system, enforced by their state and representative so-called 'democracy.'
Its that age old thing, money the warehouses are great and i'm all in with you, but the people who own them are seduced by money but wouldnt you ,what is the answer ,yeah it is social cleansing ,i dont know the answer 😭
It is extremely privileged to have a free/extremely low cost place to "just express". Unfortunately, if we are actually progressive against the housing crisis, it won't be solved by allowing artists free warehouses when whole families have no where to live. Actual properties would generate council tax that would regenerate the area and invite families that will support local businesses. It is all nice talking about the art but that is irrelevant to housing.
Alot of these places do pay rent/bills. I used to live in one until we were kicked out for redevelopment. It was a great space to be able to invest in my creative endeavours as I couldn't afford both traditional housing and a studio, yes I gave up various amenities for a cheaper rent, but it was worth it
I bet you're fun at parties. Why do you keep saying "free"? Where on earth have you gotten that idea. Perhaps do your research before making judgemental assumptions.
@@FourBee-xt4fp My comment clearly says free or extremely low cost. Learn to read the whole comment and not just one word. I bet you are triggered by everyone's opinion. Get a life.
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Hey guys. Can you please get someone to read out the text of the written statements at the end? I had the same difficulties with your brilliant report on the occupation outside the arms company. I'm visually impaired (functionally blind), so struggle to visually read text, and definitely can't do it at the speed that it comes up on the screen. Yes, I use assistive technology, but it's not magic. It can't read text out of image / video files with any kind of reliability, and it takes a hell of a lot of work and using several different software packages. It would be sooooo nice if there was just a voice, human or artificial, reading out that final block of text.
@@YourQueerGreatAuntie Agreed
This is very viable. The extra work is valuable and will cost you time, but you (JOE) could ask ur fans to volunteer or even stick the text in a TTS (text to speech) converter, maybe sync it with the text on screen too @@YourQueerGreatAuntie
Yes. When I lived in London in the 80s and 90s, there were creative communities like this all over the place. I rented a studio in one of them in an old warehouse in Chiswick. Let's face it, it's these people who breathe cultural life into cities. Force them to leave at your peril, as they will establish themselves elsewhere leaving London to continue its trajectory towards being a sterile cultural desert. Let's add it to the long and growing list of things we got wrong in the name of 'progress' over the last few decades. London used to be one of the most exciting cities in Europe but it now pales in comparison with Berlin, Basel, Wroclaw, Amsterdam, Prague, Leipzig and even Paris. It sold its soul and is now paying the price.
Joe needs to pin a comment pointing out that these people are NOT squatters!
They actually pay rent and council tax.
Look up Haringey Warehouse Flats for rent, a single furnished room is currently going for £675pcm including bills and a double room for £850pcm.
Living with 8 other people the ad notes, 2 bathrooms and a kitchen too.
That's pretty good, I used to live in Oxfordshire paying higher rates than that and the rooms were dire compared to these pics.
If only they were squatters.
Mass squatting is what is needed if you ask me, and the demand that a million social housing units are built.
I think the term is custodianship?
@@Melissa.Garrett "I think the term is custodianship?" nope, they're different and has no security of tenancy either. Warehouse generally have proper leases, either commercial, live/work and sometimes just residential (although that's more rare).
£850 quid for a double bedroom… screw that,, move north
Godspeed to ‘em! Hackney used to be full of places like this and now they’re just bland ‘luxury apartments’. The artists and freaks are the ones that make these places cool and desirable, and then they invariably get priced out. Maybe they can change the cycle?
The warehouses are an amazing and incredible place of true human flourishing. The amount of creativity and warmth that residents give to one another and to visitors is just incredible. They must be protected!
They're also pockets of fascism dressed as left-wing politics . . . and I'm left wing by the way and a resident. People can sometimes get treated very badly by cliquism, many people have mental health issues that don't get proper help and drug abuse can be quite bad sometimes, and I'm not against drugs either, just against their abuse. Suicide rates have been high but that might partly be to do with the effects of Covid long term.
And even though I've just given the opposite view, I do agree they fulfil a purpose you rarely see in London.
Care to expand further on the facism aspect??
Thanks for helping share their story to us all around the country. It's an amazing story and group of people ❤
I live in a neighbouring warehouse (different estate, not yet in danger...fingers crossed) and I just wanted to clarify that we all pay rent and council tax, I think this is a great insight into warehouse living but it makes it look like they're still squatting like back in the early 00s, which is not the case. These places are very much legal. They're an alternative way of living for people seeking community and a sense of belonging that a regular flat situation doesn't provide. It attracts mainly creative people because of the amount of space each individual gets and the sense of freedom of expression this polyvalent buildings bring.
polyvalent! awesome :)
So I want a world with more people like these in it.
It really would be sacrilege to destroy this community and build a more expensive alternative. I agree with Caitlin, she makes very valid points. As someone who used to be involved in creative industry (photography), I totally understand why these people live together and support each other. They are doing no harm, leave it as it is.
Just up the road from me, used to deliver there, in the old days as a driver. Love how it is now, been here before though, Hoxton/Shoreditch, Hackney Wick, a losing battle i think...love how peoples lives are described as a 'product' by the developer!
And the cheeky comment that the development would benefit to the 'local community' and won't price out existing residents, commodify the area & eventually contribute to gentrification.
@@yeshuamusic5102 Yep, total abdication of reality, but they know they're spinning a yarn.
The state of the housing in London, and more broadly the UK is shocking! All the greedy landlords want is more and more rent, developers just want to build luxury flats,that no ordinary people can't afford it's disgusting! The government Tories or Labour won't help, what choice do people have!
Estate agents are more greedy than landlords to be fair. Probably make more too
@@psytcp yeah you are correct,
Look at the freehold cost of property in London. Landlords are not a charity and i don't suppose you are either. Everyone has to be able to feed themselves including landlords.
@@Andrew-rc3vh Don't buy it mate, tennents are getting screwed all the time!
@@PaulEleftheriou-we7vr I don't think so. There are millions of landlords so the price is the market price. This has been my experience. You get what you pay for except the government rules and stuff make it more expensive. The government are in fact in the process of making renting even more costly, re green standards.
I used to squat in London and Birmingham. I've also rented many properties and am now a home owner. All the disrepair problems I've had have been in rented accommodation. Squatters look after and improve their properties better than landlords. Some of the properties I had to pay rent for were unfit for human habitation. Many had damp and disrepair problems. The ceiling even collapsed in one of them.
On a wider level, I've begun to hate the rhetoric of "pragmatism" and "common sense" that continually tells us that a life in the arts is "unrealistic" and that people like these should get "real" jobs, If we continue to hollow our cultural landscape in the name of "being realistic", we're going to have little to nothing left to actually feed creative innovation.
It's all a falacy the conservatives propogate against anyone who seeks to do anything different. The 'middle ground' is anything but.
If they are creative they will no doubt find a creative solution. Necessity is the mother of invention.
Largely agree. But artists have always had a difficult life. Another factor is that the country is getting poorer, living standards are dropping. If you go to somewhere like India you don't see many people studying art or doing creative work. It's all computer science and business because that's what puts food on the table.
@@jamescaley9942 Yeah, because "creativity" doesn't cover a huge section of diverse skills and abilities, does it? 🙄
@@1adamuk So, no other artist should have it any easier, either, and because not so many people in India study or practice the arts, no one here should either, by your logic. 🤔
Hmm, seems legit. 🤨
I live in Amsterdam and there are lots of old warehouses etc that were converted.
In some places they actually build new buildings around the old warehouses, so they form a kind of ‘core’, preserving the original architecture.
For me the solution is clear, preserve this community and their warehouse and build around and ontop of it. The luxury apartments can live above the hippy artists.
Obv this won’t happen as some snobs wont want to live above ‘that type’ so the property value will fall, but honestly, I dont care. We should force a compromise.
I agree but this campaign is against this kind of compromise and worry that anyone living in flats above them will try to shut them up. Doesn't matter though, b/c the UK and many other developed countries are absolutely suffering through a housing shortage and cost of living crisis. London can't get enough housing w/o rethinking the use of every plot of land, and building extensions to the artist warehouses is really the only way to do that while preserving affordability for artists.
@@lozoft9 As I understand it they are protesting the warehouses basically being torn down and converted into luxury apartments that the hippies cannot afford. A valid concern.
If the hippies resist a compromise to build around them as I suggest then they are also being assholes but that doesnt seem to be the case.
These things absolutely can be done, it just requires an open minded city council, as I think we have in Amsterdam generally even if I still disagree on some stuff they are really trying radical stuff to improve the city.
From what I know of London councils they are uptight dicks, that being said I only hear stories, for example of Hackney Council and Antepavilion.
I live round the corner from the warehouse district in Harringay. I feel so lucky to have this and everybody in them nearby. The community spaces, music rooms, gigs, and the bars are all unique.
The comparison with Hackney Wick was notable. I do not want to end up like that.
Innovators. There's nothing wrong with a little innovation. Adding colour and promise to a grey and dreary neighbourhood. It's like living in an art gallery. 🙂
Who said the neighbourhood was grey and dreary? Haringey Green Lanes is one of the most culturally diverse areas of London. Not that you would know that by looking at this video.
If it was going to be social housing I may have had a different opinion, but this looks so beautiful, it seems so wrong to break up this loving community in the heart of London.
Love your interview style, you always ask open questions that aren’t trying to bias towards one answer, even when you don’t agree with the people like in your other interview pieces, keep up the good work
Developers are all powerful - as most of them are tory backed
Remember that scandal with property speculator Barclay? When Jenrick was Housing Minister and went out of his way to save him on his tax bill at the expense of a local council. 😑
Labour councils and politicians have long had close ties with developers aswell and when Corbyn was in charge he did nothing about the social cleansing involving Labour councils and working class communities.
@@AutonomousVoice that's true enough - I did say "most". Power corrupts
They will price every normal person out of London.
Seems like the perfect argument for *actual* affordable housing. What choice do these people have? Good luck to them
They already have housing they can afford, they're paying rent and council tax.
This is an argument NOT to destroy existing affordable housing to build luxury developments instead.
@@giansideros 5:13 - 6:20 I meant for the rest of us. And she literally says they couldn't afford it if it was redeveloped. Did I miss something?
A quick question, do you lump social housing in with "affordable" housing, or do you see them as separate entities?
@@giansideros Except its been proposed to have flats added as an extension to the original building and the artist spaces to be preserved. They're against that too.
I was hoping to find out more about this, thanks for the video
The council wants to crush you into the box like the rest of us. I hope you win
They need to build more homes for Russians, Chinese and Saudis to buy.
Yes because British people don't need anywhere to live at all do we?
Pretty racist there. Please limit your current thing criticisms to Russia.
You forgot to add "and _never_ occupy".
Actually it's not racist it's what's happening in a lot of new builds where overseas investors buy up blocs- several- within new blocks as investments and they sit empty. IT'S CALLED LAND BANKING
@@artseosamhogriobhta big up the propaganda…by idiots.
Exactly the same in Digbeth, Birmingham, it's not just a London problem
Developers hate culture and don't understand the bigger picture. It's heartbreaking and has been for a couple of decades. I hope it is not too late or the artistic community can recycle the new builds when they eventually go and fail.
I dont think it matters whether its culture or not. If this was a community of accountants with a neat little boring collective that would be jsut as nothing to them.
@@Padraigp great point. I d d on’t think accountants can afford property in London anymore but I’ll investigate
@@vomgrady if they pooled their ressources like these guys they could. Any of us could. Unfortuntely theres a concerted effort to not allow that. And government plays a big role in that too. Housing associations get land or buildings and the government has come in and compulsory purchased out from under them and then spend public money to build at a much more expensive rate and worse housing that the cooperstives themslves hahve proposed and paid for planning permission etc. THey drain them untill they have no money left to pay for more permissions or there are people like vulture funds who have ten different kind of mortgages available to them instantly who can jump in and outbid someone who might have a mortgage for a certain type of sale but not another. Its so orchestrated to tie peoples hands from owning property unless youre willing to pay over and above the odds for which you will charge over and above the odds for rent.
I don't necessarily think developers hate culture, art or whatever. It's about making money. That's it.
So many different types of people live in this community. It would be such a shame to lose it.
NOBODY wants to live in typical residential units, which are completely devoid of community, unity, or acceptance of creative differences.
Of course, the powers that be, want to discourage REAL community of togetherness and support.
Their ONLY interest is power through money … they could care less about “being” HUMAN BEINGS.
Those powers are a distortion of humanity.
Hooray for the LONDON WAREHOUSE RESIDENTS!!! Georgia, USA!
What I take from this id that they are safer if we are divided, lets do more of this
No, that's you who marched for speech laws and to report neighbours. The nation is rising and you're getting the boot from the roots. Stay shook.
@@artseosamhogriobhta ?
@@artseosamhogriobhta lolwut
It's 2023, there's a housing crisis, most people are just happy to have a roof over their heads, and we should be creating more roofs for more heads. Obviously, the warehouses shouldn't be torn down, but I honestly couldn't care less that new housing is bland or whatnot, we need more homes!
Wow. If this development happens, most of them are going to be homeless.
Curiously, what do you think happens to any other renter when their tenancy ends?
@@jamesharper586 Homelessness.
They're already paying rent to live in these warehouses. The sort of amount that would easily allow them to get a place outside of London. I don't see a reason why they would be homeless.
@@1adamuk I hope so.
@@1adamuk Did you even watch the video? If you did you really weren't paying attention.
Just pure insanity. Just let them have the warehouse and maybe point them to builders who can help them renovate the building to make it safe.
Just greed. They must be making money from the rent they pay yet the developers obviously just want more and more money hence the flats.
How much do they currently pay rent? If they are contributing to council tax, water rates and electric - they should be allowed to stay. If they are living for free and not contributing back into the wider community then I don't believe that is right.
I didn't see/hear anything in the mini doc to confirm what the legal situation is.
Everyone pays rent, Council tax and bills here. Rent isnt even that cheap nationally, ranging from £450-£700 all in.
When developers come along throwing cash around it doesn't matter what your rights are. Look at the HS2, a railway nobody wants and people have lost their homes from it.
@@THEVL0GPOD thanks for this. I felt like Joe missed a trick by not asking those questions showing it's not just a squatter situation. If they are indeed paying the land owner rent, the council tax and also Gas/Electric & Water the developers should sod off.
Its a classic example of Greed over Humanity.
Those with very limited fund’s don’t pay and that’s the problem?
And not the uber wealthy who don’t pay their fair taxes, leeches income from workers and the community by legislators with “legal“ bribery?
If you pay but think others “ought” to … 1. Don’t be jealous 2. Support what they’re doing so others, and possibly yourself will benefit in the future. 3. Add to a better future and not take it away because you’re not living it. You are enjoying yesterday’s future of the past.
People want to forge a better life - not the same staid, boring, greedy, selfish, hateful, unsustainable, and angry mess humanity has been caught-up in across the globe.
The world is literally dying and yet, there’s a small heroic group of people showing us how to survive.
@@sharongillesp I do agree. The world unfortunately for so long has been powered by greed and money. It will take a world wide change to stop this as it's so engrossing.
Some friends lived in Hackney Wick in the mid 00s, it was a brilliant vibrant place. But the Olympic Park definitely changed things.
If I was a millionaire I would love to live next door to these creative young people creating cultural capital. Greed is destroying everything of worth.
Individualized living under threat from crude greed. Good heavens, I hope they can preserve their space!
I would contest that these are like the flats that working class black people lived in the 90s early 2000s etc. Come see where I used to live in Hoxton to see true inner cities. Though even that has been mostly gentrified now.
Mostly? In Hoxton I'd say entirely.
I use to live in one round the corner, in no way will they be able to afford the monstrosities they will erect in their place.
Modern architecture is mostly bland and lifeless, it takes no account of the needs of human beings other than an expensive roof over their heads, for those who can afford them. These type of places tap into on the creative, psychological well being of their inhabitants which then spreads throughout the larger community. It is imperative such spaces not only be kept but also encouraged.
There should be more properties like this. The people there are making, building communities
Those with very limited fund’s don’t pay and that’s the problem?
And not the uber wealthy who don’t pay their fair taxes, leeches income from workers and the community by buying legislators through “legal“ bribery?
If you pay and think others “ought” to … 1. Don’t be jealous 2. Support what they’re doing so others, and possibly yourself will benefit in the future. 3. Add to a better future and not take it away because you’re not living it. You are enjoying yesterday’s future of the past - aren’t you?
People want to forge a better life - not the same staid, boring, greedy, selfish, hateful, unsustainable, and angry mess humanity has been caught-up in across the globe.
The world is literally dying and yet, there’s a small heroic group of people showing us how to not just survive but THRIVE.
Nimbyism is a Tory thing, leave the creatives alone
really interesting..lets hope art overrides greedy developers
Greedy developers?you mean someone wanting to do something with their land versus squatters.
@@jamiewhogivesa2386 Squatters? It's cut rate accommodation for creatives, it's completely legitimate as was stated at the start. Even the developers at the end said it was a question of 'viability' over using their land because these people do pay rent, and the rates are the reason they're able to. The model was clearly viable for the developers in the first place so all I can see being justifiable is a rent increase in-line with inflation, but to be fair knowing property developers and landlords it'd probably be extortionate nonetheless.
@@wastag9412i dont think jamie actually watched tbh
@@jamiewhogivesa2386 you've thoroughly embarrassed yourself here. Watch the video first before typing your crap
@@jamiewhogivesa2386 what a pathetic comment. Shows you didn't even watch the video and just jumped to a preconceived idea in your own little head
It looks so fun! I hope they don't end up having to leave. 😢❤
Greedy, greedy developers, leave this wonderful place alone
Yo, they did this somewhere in the US and all the residents died in a fire, they need automatic fire extinguishers or sprinklers, like yesterday.
If only there was a labour mayor in charge to do something about it
Lol. Good one.
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Their rent should be free and they could open a gallery and music venue within the warehouse to create some income. We need more artists and less greed.
Humans doing all the menial tasks for minimum wage while the AI robots make artworks, paint and write novels and poetry, with the people living in slums and the tech-oligarchs living in utopin space palaces is not the future I had in mind.... Capitalism ruins everything; our humanity, our empathy...even our dreams.
We need a true people's revolution. The sooner the beter.
Love your neighbor! Do unto others as you would have done to you .
I work in local authority development. So i completely understand all of this and it always breaks my heart when these type or projects arise. I don't know the full detail, but sounds like a mixed use project. The developers want to improve the site but also create more housing and the downside is some of the warehouses need knocking down or converted. Its sad, but the only way forward is compromise. The developers NEED to ensure there will be space for their businesses to continue to thrive in that area. As with many creative spaces like this, they are grown from roots up and create value and interest in the area and that is ALL the hard work of the creatives. Baltic Creative in Liverpool is a literal similar case to this on a bigger level. Yes fatcat developers will always try and come in and take that success by builiding flats and riding off the 'trendiness' but as long as the place has that unique identity and strong group of creatives fighting, they usually come out on top. As the community value is just too strong to stamp over. Community cohesion is a strong passion of mine, and i shred a tear of joy when they said they got more objections, and i work in a council! 😂
More luxury flats! Groan!
That’s truly amazing! Let’s stay in touch!
I think theres a wider issue here of why so many feel compelled to move to London to work, as this is what drives gentrification. Why is so little done to increase investment and employment elsewhere in the country?
As an example Germany has less regional inequality than the UK and therefore less regional investment disparity, which is shocking when you consider that half of the country was a communist state until the late 80's
Germany has less regional inequality b/c it's a federal state. The various bundesländer (equivalent of US states) are allowed to do things like provide economic development incentives for companies that site jobs in their borders. If this was applied to the UK, the Scottish and Welsh gov'ts, and maybe even the historical counties of England, could do the same. Of course the UK would have to be careful not to end up like the US where so much control is given to states and municipalities that it creates a race-to-the-bottom on taxes, education, labor laws, etc.
Used to live in a neighbouring warehouse and I really hope they win their fight. BUT I do have to say that for every unit that was as vibrant and creative as this one there was a unit that *was* just people taking a bunch of drugs, partying a lot, and pissing off the locals. Not to mention landlords that didn't give a shit and treated their residents abominably. If all the warehouse communities could be as inspiring as this one, there would be less argument to have them torn down and everyone would win.
For every vibrant and creative unit there was another one that was bad? An arbitrary 50%? I don't think these kind of dramatised comments are going to help the overall situation... and to be honest, that illustration is not my experience of the place at all. There are far more creative things going on than are not.
Did you not go to Quilt Club?
@@FourBee-xt4fp Enough for it to be a recurring problem certainly. My point is it's not as simple as warehouse communities = good. Some have problems and I saw many talented people move away because of them, then their spaces get taken by whoever will pay rent and it becomes party central. It was bad for my community and it gives the big property developers ammunition.
I see this mostly as a problem with the warehouse landlords - some are great at supporting a creative community and others are not. I would like to see the latter pressured to do better.
That's glossing over a lot of detail but I don't want to write an essay in a UA-cam comment. I'm very glad your experience is different to mine. No, I never heard of Quilt Club, maybe we didn't have it in Arena Design.
This is true to an extent but not sure about the percentage. Lot's of damaged people getting more damaged though for sure and sometimes not particularly healthy attitudes towards them within the culture. It's a mixed bag I'd say and if you live in a mixed bag make your choices wisely 🤔
Crazy, I used to live near by. Something about the light in there reminded me of vague childhood memories from some building or other that I've been in. Such a shame we don't build places with lots of natural light as much as we should
Friggin cold in winter though
Yeah, London is just being redrawn by property developers searching for profit. I never heard of these Haringey artists until this video, but it's still a bleak picture. I am a Newham boy, having grown up during the emergence of the 2012 Olympics and the tearing down of the Boleyn for housing. For the Olympics, so many tenants who had nowhere else to go were forced out to make way for the Olympic Park. And instead of trying to house locals in the borough with the highest homelessness rate in the country, these new apartments are way more expensive, and richer people have been brought in to make the problem worse...
We need more community living.
finally anarchy in action governing your own life is the best way to be free
Land value tax and a dividend for all fixes this.
Fascinating story.
Uptown boulevard downtown slums , its the Tory gentrification/American way skid row
this is a part of the identity of london if its gone, so much culture will be gone
These people do not reprsent the areas they occupy any more than the property developers, they are part of gentrification all the same, where was this same energy when the real people of these poor areas, the working class, were watching there council estates and tower blocks getting torn down and replaced with the middle class.....
Council housing can get gentrified. Warehouse living can get gentrified. Being at the lower end of the earning spectrum makes you a target for gentrification whether it's council housing or warehouses. Anybody who lives in an area represents the area, rich or poor, and whatever culture, race or religion you come from. The divisions are somewhat false. The working class should fight as much for their homes as anyone should and I believe council housing should be preserved as much as possible. Finding the will power to do so isn't always easy no matter your council housing or warehouse.
I love it, actually pretty jealous
3:00 absolutely incredible art on display, such talent
The seems interesting, who do they pay rent to? Who actually owns the warehouse, is it the council? I am genuinely interested in knowing more as we don’t get to hear or see anything about this …
It seems there's various companies that own various warehouses around London, that all seem to be connected via papertrails. I believe they pay to Majorlink, the company thats trying to push the redevelopment
It's owned by private landlords who are working with property developers.
@@wongonat they are almost all entirely owned by the orthodox Jewish community, the same with Majorlink. It's an interesting way they do business, as in circulatory debt and loans between them within the culture. The debt moves around and is never paid off but instead stays within an enclosed system. At least that's what I heard. Would make an interesting study academically and economically.
Artificially lowering rent solves one person’s rent problem, and confounds another. We need to build much, much more quality and affordable housing now. Why can’t there be cross party support on this? 😢
What’s artificially lowering rents?
I mean, building more houses won’t necessarily solve the problem because we don’t have a housing shortage. Properties are just too expensive for anyone, outside the top 5% earners. We need government that will commit to regulating housing prices. Personally I don’t get why property prices aren’t being capped. How are empty, unaffordable properties helping the economy. Capping prices will at least get the money flowing. But what do I know…
@@SB-sg4em We have a shortage of housing, that’s why the prices are so high (even if all those empty expensive properties were filled). If you built more houses, that would bring prices down (assume ‘demand’ stayed constant), and that would filter down to all properties.
Perhaps the government could limit the number of houses can buy as investments? Or stop that all together. Or stop non-UK investors buying UK properties. You could for sure argue that should be paused until the housing crisis is solved.
@@yesthestone9392 there's a shortage of affordable housing.
In England alone there are 675,000 empty houses of which 250,000 are classed as long term empty. Which just means 6 months or more.
That's just the houses themselves to say nothing of the size of them either. Just how many people could move into these houses if only they were affordable.
Just Google how many homes are empty in the UK and you see all the results
@@yesthestone9392 no, it seems most places with high rents do not have a shortage of housing. The issue is primarily that large investors hold a large percentage of available stock, meaning they can price gauge the rental market and that when they do sell they have lowered the stock available on the market, artificially increasing the property’s market value.
There are many ways to deal with this but one approach would be to make owning multiple properties unappealing as an investment one way you could do this is by increasing the tax owed on every additional property an individual or investment firm owns.
The other issue I have seen is that the British bank Barclay’s is now the largest landlord in Britain. This to me sounds like when film studios in Hollywood also owned the movie theaters - it’s a monopoly. Barclay’s sells mortgages so if they have a larger stake in housing than anyone else they can charge predatory mortgage rates, because it’s in their best interest as a business.
Housing has become very attractive to big investors because they know it’s a necessity - i.e. it’s a captive market. Just look at what warren buffet is doing with trailer parks in the US - it’s heartbreaking and truly disgusting.
The housing situtation is completely dire, even if you get a place to live it is often substandard with a rent that is too high. On the whole landlords and property developers are parasites with far too much power granted to them by the political parties who do dodgy deals with them. If you ask me what is required is an autonomous, grass roots campaign utilising mass squatting and the demand for a million social housing units to be built.
What do you mean by autonomous?
@@lozoft9 Independent
How much is rent?
I cant see how london will survive. Min you need 35/40k just to pay rent. Can the gov see the crisis that is coming .. here ..
My son converted a warehouse in Hackney Wick in the early 2000. I don’t know what he means about homogenized. It may be now but it certainly wasn’t then.
Asset of Community Value?
Good luck to them ❤ i hope the developers loose this battle.
Sadly, with the history of humans versus authorities, the money will win. Monied people do not give a damn. Just look at Jacob Reet Smugg.
good luck !!
It's for the very reason the occupants will be moved out.
Culture has been a major casualty of the past 50 years. Try to find out how many orchestras worked in this country in 1979. You will be astonished.
This means, no matter what objections you can imagine, the new corporate flats will be built.
You need to attract many more people. You need to demonstrate your worth to humanity. We can all think up decor and odd places to dry clothes. But this has no monetary value. And money is the God we all pray to now.
It's a village!
creatives will leave if there is no where for them to go, then the culture will suffer because of it
Wishing them all the luck but judging by the power of huge construction and our oh so empathetic government I won’t hold my breath 🤞🤞🤞
Let's call a spade a spade, you like the cheap rent it provides. I've had many a run in with these types in my life, so very false.
With so many empty properties owned by rich foreigners, it's amazing that Brexit-style rhetoric doesn't apply to greedy money-making schemes: seeing housing as an asset rather than a home. We are a sick society.
Nevermind free expression, some people live in "not home" homes for money reasons. Nice make more people homeless government. Thats a bloody brilliant idea.
(I fucking love that bathroom door by the way, you guys are cool, keep being yourselves!)
how do you thin industrial light and magic, or eveen steve jobs and mate, startedup
Clone Zone is to rip the heart out of the culture that came before us and greeds the
motivation 😊
I'm getting some watchdogs legion vibes from this.....
These people are incredibly cringey but I still support their right to be there
The irony..the warehouse residents have already gentrified the abandoned warehouse and the area...Natural progression. Develope it!
Squatter solidarity, yo.
Much love & hope for the future.
X
These lot actually pay rent and council tax just so you know, warehouse homes are a thing in Haringey.
@@giansideros So how's that working out for them ?
I empathise with her saying they aren’t druggies trashing the place, and I 100% believe her. But I hope shes also aware enough that there are alot of squatters etc who do absolutely trash places.
I hope her efforts to normalise her lifestyle and perhaps for us as a society to tackle the scummy squatters who do trash things so they can live in peace.
People don't trash where they live, do you?
@@colincampbell4261 people absolutely do.
I’ve found someone sleeping on my property (a boat) and after just 2 nights he’d broken a panel, been spitting all over the floor, stolen from the fridge, and damaged the floor. Thats just a personal annecdote.
There are plenty examples of squatters occupying a space, smashing doors and windows, ruining furniture, spray painting walls.
Literally just look online for videos.
The ‘Cant pay we’ll take it away’ show on channel 4 years back featured them removing some squatters from a school that got left empty for a month and they caused hundreds of thousands of pounds of damage.
There is clearly 2 types of squatters, some, like this crowd, who clearly care for their surroundings, and the other, more infamous kinds who are scumbags who trash it.
@@jonsmith5058 'My property (a boat)', there is your issue. If it is yours not ours, why should he care? 🤔
Yet he could smashed it up more, he did not. Also get lost with the 'stolen from the fridge', you mean he feed himself.
@@gHGhej excuse me?
So you think its ok to just spit all over the floor of someone else and take food or drink they paid for cause we should only care about stuff that is ‘ours’? Oh and he stole beer, so get out of here with ‘feeding himself’.
In that case you must be super cool with the develops metaphorically spitting all over the property of these artists. Why should they care what happens to em?
Its assholes like you who think they can take whatever they want and get irrationally mad if anyone tries to recall anything you stole.
They're not squatters though, they actually pay council tax too.
Look up ads for warehouse rooms in Haringey if you don't believe me. Pretty affordable if you don't mind living with 8 other people.
They could've mopped the floor before the camera crew came in XD. Hope you guys beat the fatcats
Harringay council at its best again.
Good luck
Could they have bought it themselves? Through a limited co maybe all paying rent to the company.
On the cards - developers own it along with £70m + transatlantic portfolio
who gives a toss?
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Well, he's got a point.
@@ennbee2051 Several by the look of it
It ain't 'gentrification'. It's immigration. Supply and demand. The demand outstrips the supply.
Immigrants aren't buying these new developments.
@@EYDuff wait till he hears about long term vacant residences (or "investments" as equity speculators would call it), not to mention Airbnbs, buy to let mortgages and holiday homes.
Funnily enough you don't hear these lot talking about a one child policy to lower the demand either.
It's not about immgration really, it's about class at the end of the day. The system is rigged against ordinary working class people and that's why Thatcher sold off all the social housing and every government since has continued with that and not replaced it with new social housing. Thats just one problem, there are many stacked up against working class people and we need to get together, do something about it and fight back. It's the ruling class who take up far too much space, not the ordinary people (wether born here or not) who are crammed into towns and cities with not enough room and resources etc. The problem is the rich (ruling class) and their capitalist system, enforced by their state and representative so-called 'democracy.'
Its that age old thing, money the warehouses are great and i'm all in with you, but the people who own them are seduced by money but wouldnt you ,what is the answer ,yeah it is social cleansing ,i dont know the answer 😭
It is extremely privileged to have a free/extremely low cost place to "just express". Unfortunately, if we are actually progressive against the housing crisis, it won't be solved by allowing artists free warehouses when whole families have no where to live. Actual properties would generate council tax that would regenerate the area and invite families that will support local businesses. It is all nice talking about the art but that is irrelevant to housing.
Alot of these places do pay rent/bills. I used to live in one until we were kicked out for redevelopment. It was a great space to be able to invest in my creative endeavours as I couldn't afford both traditional housing and a studio, yes I gave up various amenities for a cheaper rent, but it was worth it
I bet you're fun at parties. Why do you keep saying "free"? Where on earth have you gotten that idea. Perhaps do your research before making judgemental assumptions.
@@FourBee-xt4fp My comment clearly says free or extremely low cost. Learn to read the whole comment and not just one word. I bet you are triggered by everyone's opinion. Get a life.