Many thanks go out to #Georgios over at #quippr for getting a hold on these CPUs for my review. #NotSponsored 🤗🤩 What are YOUR thoughts on system power consumption? 🤔
All CPUs consume way too much power, except for the 7600X. Would be interesting to see the Ryzen 7000 non-X CPUs along with the i3 13100f and i5 13400f in the future.
The 13600K often don't go above 115W in high gaming and can go down very often to a 70 90W average in idle Intel is the king for the moment 3w average on the whole lineup has for AMD Im pretty sure it's the fact the 2 cc'd and the IO need to be sync all the time and the latency of not being a single die make it harder to jump the frequency fast down or up
@@jibrilherrcherofhorny4448 That's not how you build a PC. You build a PC for 100% power consumption and just because a game now doesn't max it out, doesn't mean in the future it won't. A friend of a friend has a 3090 and until recently no game pushed his GPU hard, so he was fine, then came hogwarts legacy and his 750W PSU suddenly started switching of or he got terrible performance due to the 3090 downclocking, due to lack of power. Build PCs properly, cool them properly.
@@jibrilherrcherofhorny4448 70-115 watts is still to high, its a damn CPU not a GPU, when modern cpu's like M1 are only using 10-20 watts and giving same performance and zen 3 never exceeding 65 watts even 8 core parts, it shows how intel doesn't care, cause their customers like you are well trained by their marketing..
@@niks660097 at full power the M1 can use up to 80w also the M1 has a lot less function than a x86 chip and their architecture is different and mean for something else most of the time the reason the apple chip don't use more than 20w is because of lack of cooling also all Intel CPU that are not K go mostly not above 100w (5950x did go at 170w) also apple chip are Mobile chip not desktop chip and Intel still on 10nm when apple on 3nm and AMD 5nm I tell said they going down to 7nm and estimate 50% less power usage
Even the 253W is NOT according to Intels spec - cause that is the MAX turbo-power which, by their specification, is for a Tau of 60 seconds and the average long-term powerlimit is PL1 - 125W. And for that all "enhancements" on the motherboards should also be disabled as they just increase power-draw with no benefits what so ever. With an i5 12600K the difference was going from well over 120W down to sub 95W - under full turbo in CB23 with the same score.
@@Rocky712_ "Cause I don´t know what you could mean." The things that the UEFI literally labels as "enhancements" - like "turbo stability enhancement" and "enhanced turbo", or the things like some boards even have an option for "Disable OCP "
It would be fine providing full spec of the computer. If you measure on the wall, there is everything included, CPU, GPU, monitor, power supply etc. Monitor with powerfull GPU might eat 250-300W
Thank you for your comprehensive tests on this, especially the idle power on the high end. Given the amount of people I know who just leave their systems on 24x7 it's important to know to better calculate each platforms efficiency for one's common use cases.
sadly most idle power draw figures are worthless as people run their nvidia gpu onj the performance instead of balance setting and the same goes for windows power plans which can have a MASSIVE impact on idle power at no cost of performance. there is NO NEED AT ALL to use anything but balanced power for your gpu and cpu. Unless people note what setting they used for these 2 idle figures are useless to me. i see tests of my 9900k with 75 to 95 watts total system power and i know they wont have as much fans and hard drives as my rig but yet i have only 32 watts idle. And gaming load on intel can just be capped on 125 watts for no loss of performance but massivly more efficiency.
Hi. I am planning to use 13600K but should I change my PSU. Currently my set up is 5600X, 3060 twin edge, Deepcool AK620, PSU Bequiet 600W system power 9
Waste of time changing from the 5600x, you won't get significant benefits, given you need to also change the motherboard at a minimum, its a total waste of money, your GPU isn't powerful enough for it to matter & dropping in a 5800x3d would give you better bang for buck by the time you factor in motherboard cost
I agree, i have a 5600x with pbo and 3400 c17 ram paired with a 4090. It maxes out my 240hs 1080p and 120hs 4k oled on everygame. Get a better gpu and later down the road maybe a 5800x3d or 5900x. The 5600x is great for gamimg still
Thank you for this lesson Sir- already purchased 7800xt and am researching 13600x vs 7700x. I’m an OG - been playing games since 8086 boards but haven’t built a system since mid 90s. I am also viewing ultrasound images and creating programs for students so really think team blue is better for me. OC with under volting seems to be key. Subscribed and will continue to learn from you. God Bless!
Im dumb. Kindly tell me what to choose. I want most efficient processor for budget gaming for future (GTA 6) and animation, video editing, programming etc Thank You 😊
Thanks for uploading this! I was literally just wondering what I would use for my future build which I intend to be a ITX beast and the i5 13600K has surprised me I must admit 🤔 surprisingly very powerful yet efficient for a 3440x1440 or 4K gaming/editing machine ✅
great upload. M in mode of building PC, have started getting the parts. Opted for z790asus hero- was going for 13900k but after watching all power draw conclusions, might settle for 13600k- not that i required streaming/video editing loads, lol. There should be an auto tuner in motherboards, i heard like in msi, to down the cpu capacity and go economy mode.
Windows power mode in config low power mode make the CPU use minimal power going down to 3w in idle normal is the same high power make it go above 12w in idle
Hi there, you only changed Short Duration Power Limit to the Intel 's one and left the Long Duration to auto ? Some people say we should put both the same amount of power limit .
The majority of social media reviews give little understanding of these expensive products. Not here. The way these chips run without boundaries, or explanation, is not good. It's a lot of money.
The stats for the Cinebench(stopped watching before gaming comparison) are incomplete. Peak/bottom/average power consumption says little to nothing without a complete energy count or at least an average power consumption combined with time to complete the work/task so we can calculate it ourselves.
Okay Late comment here. If you adjust the power limits on the Intel, you also have to factor in the performance decrease. Maybe provide some FPS/Watts figures? Thats a more fair comparison.
@@jibrilherrcherofhorny4448 yeah nvidia gpus ahve a bigger gain from balanced mt 10760 used to do 9 vs 110 watts idle if i set it to performance in drivers. my 6900XT does not seem to care anymore. used to with early drivers.
My system (R7 7700 65W + RTX 3060 + DDR5-6200 + 3 SSDs and 2 HDDs) idle at 66W (measured on the power supply cable)... Loking at HWMonitor it indicates that the CPU idle around 25 to 35W... Not too bad given that this CPU uses the chiplet architecture insted of the monolithic one used on AMD laptop CPUs and all current Intel CPUs (monilithic CPUs are much better in idle power, that's why all laptop CPUs are monolithic)... I recently upgraded from my old 4th gen. Intel Xeon E3-1271 v3 (it's an i7-4770k) and that whole Intel system idled at 40W (using the same GPU, SSDs, HDDs). AMD shines when you put load on them, especially if it is a 65W CPU. The "X" CPUs are just bad tunned, they pushed the power and vcore too much to have a little more performance (that's why I didn't buy a 7700X, I got a cheaper 7700 instead, and set the PBO to 75W with undervolt and +250Mhz on the boost clock, my system total power with 100% use on the CPU is around 150W, the CPU itself draws 102W). Taking a 105W AMD CPU and limiting its power to 90W (or less) with undervolt will make it much more power efficient with a very little performance loss on high loads.
@@MCA0090 My whole 9900k+ 6900XT rig idles at 32 watt with 3 ssd 5 fans spinning and 2 hard drives and 3 led strips. my sysstemmi8s idle for 10+ hours a day tho so idle is very important. with gaming the 9900k never goes over 80 watts even tho full load it can boost op to 225 watts (5.1ghz all core)
Consuption and tdp are different. You use 490w but only a part of this power will be transformed to a heat. This part is the TDP. They can measure it in watt or in calories or joules. I think it's better to use calories for the TDP because in this case, use watt is so confuse. Check the video again, 490w is all the conputer not only the cpu
@@MrJohnofficial "You use 490w but only a part of this power will be transformed to a heat" a bit kinetic energy is transformed by the fans and LED's , but mostly thermic energy.
This video is outright wrong, HWInfo gives inaccurate information on Ryzen Idle power, not accurately displaying wattage when cores are parked/off/sleeping. Ryzen Master correctly displays power use when cores park. It will keep 1 core around 300mhz and park the other 11 cores, Using 20 watts SOC and 10w on the core that remains active, with the rest completely shut off
Is this supposed to be impressive? Your numbers all say that the Intel CPUs are FAR worse in power consumption than the AMD CPUs but all I hear from your mouth is: blah, blah, blah, both are bad. If you want to push a false equivalency, go ahead, just don't expect anyone to take you seriously.
I'm not sure what's supposed to be "impressive" here. Both Intel and AMD consume way too much power than they should. Both require manual optimization. It's never a good idea to take a specific company's side, be it Intel or AMD... at the end of the day, these are corporations that want money from their consumers. But to each their own.
Many thanks go out to #Georgios over at #quippr for getting a hold on these CPUs for my review. #NotSponsored 🤗🤩
What are YOUR thoughts on system power consumption? 🤔
I would have been interesting to calculate Watt to performance ratio for all these CPU in different scenarios.
Hopefully next generations of Intel and AMD should have improved this. Energy providers aint gonna drop prices anytime soon.
I hope so, too!
Everyone needs to turn their computers off if theyre not doing anything with them
It's weird how the 13600k is such a great chip and the others are so power hungry for little to no gain.
Little to no gain in gaming. For other applications they are more performant.
All CPUs consume way too much power, except for the 7600X. Would be interesting to see the Ryzen 7000 non-X CPUs along with the i3 13100f and i5 13400f in the future.
Depending on my financial situation, I'll see what I can do in the future. :)
The 13600K often don't go above 115W in high gaming and can go down very often to a 70 90W average in idle Intel is the king for the moment 3w average on the whole lineup has for AMD Im pretty sure it's the fact the 2 cc'd and the IO need to be sync all the time and the latency of not being a single die make it harder to jump the frequency fast down or up
@@jibrilherrcherofhorny4448 That's not how you build a PC. You build a PC for 100% power consumption and just because a game now doesn't max it out, doesn't mean in the future it won't.
A friend of a friend has a 3090 and until recently no game pushed his GPU hard, so he was fine, then came hogwarts legacy and his 750W PSU suddenly started switching of or he got terrible performance due to the 3090 downclocking, due to lack of power.
Build PCs properly, cool them properly.
@@jibrilherrcherofhorny4448 70-115 watts is still to high, its a damn CPU not a GPU, when modern cpu's like M1 are only using 10-20 watts and giving same performance and zen 3 never exceeding 65 watts even 8 core parts, it shows how intel doesn't care, cause their customers like you are well trained by their marketing..
@@niks660097 at full power the M1 can use up to 80w also the M1 has a lot less function than a x86 chip and their architecture is different and mean for something else most of the time the reason the apple chip don't use more than 20w is because of lack of cooling also all Intel CPU that are not K go mostly not above 100w (5950x did go at 170w) also apple chip are Mobile chip not desktop chip and Intel still on 10nm when apple on 3nm and AMD 5nm I tell said they going down to 7nm and estimate 50% less power usage
Even the 253W is NOT according to Intels spec - cause that is the MAX turbo-power which, by their specification, is for a Tau of 60 seconds and the average long-term powerlimit is PL1 - 125W. And for that all "enhancements" on the motherboards should also be disabled as they just increase power-draw with no benefits what so ever. With an i5 12600K the difference was going from well over 120W down to sub 95W - under full turbo in CB23 with the same score.
What would you count as "enhancements"? Cause I don´t know what you could mean.
@@Rocky712_ "Cause I don´t know what you could mean."
The things that the UEFI literally labels as "enhancements" - like "turbo stability enhancement" and "enhanced turbo", or the things like some boards even have an option for "Disable OCP "
It would be fine providing full spec of the computer. If you measure on the wall, there is everything included, CPU, GPU, monitor, power supply etc. Monitor with powerfull GPU might eat 250-300W
Motherboards have a massive impact on ilde draw, with some motherboard models drawing less then half of other models idle.
Thank you for your comprehensive tests on this, especially the idle power on the high end. Given the amount of people I know who just leave their systems on 24x7 it's important to know to better calculate each platforms efficiency for one's common use cases.
Thank you for your kind words and appreciation!
sadly most idle power draw figures are worthless as people run their nvidia gpu onj the performance instead of balance setting and the same goes for windows power plans which can have a MASSIVE impact on idle power at no cost of performance. there is NO NEED AT ALL to use anything but balanced power for your gpu and cpu. Unless people note what setting they used for these 2 idle figures are useless to me. i see tests of my 9900k with 75 to 95 watts total system power and i know they wont have as much fans and hard drives as my rig but yet i have only 32 watts idle.
And gaming load on intel can just be capped on 125 watts for no loss of performance but massivly more efficiency.
Hi. I am planning to use 13600K but should I change my PSU.
Currently my set up is 5600X, 3060 twin edge, Deepcool AK620, PSU Bequiet 600W system power 9
I think that PSU would be able to handle it. Might wanna double check it on Reddit or something tho
Waste of time changing from the 5600x, you won't get significant benefits, given you need to also change the motherboard at a minimum, its a total waste of money, your GPU isn't powerful enough for it to matter & dropping in a 5800x3d would give you better bang for buck by the time you factor in motherboard cost
I agree, i have a 5600x with pbo and 3400 c17 ram paired with a 4090. It maxes out my 240hs 1080p and 120hs 4k oled on everygame. Get a better gpu and later down the road maybe a 5800x3d or 5900x. The 5600x is great for gamimg still
Thank you for this lesson Sir- already purchased 7800xt and am researching 13600x vs 7700x.
I’m an OG - been playing games since 8086 boards but haven’t built a system since mid 90s.
I am also viewing ultrasound images and creating programs for students so really think team blue is better for me.
OC with under volting seems to be key. Subscribed and will continue to learn from you.
God Bless!
what did you go with? i havent been able to decide for months
Im dumb. Kindly tell me what to choose. I want most efficient processor for budget gaming for future (GTA 6) and animation, video editing, programming etc
Thank You 😊
what is the GPU used in this video for the full consumption measured?
Thanks for uploading this! I was literally just wondering what I would use for my future build which I intend to be a ITX beast and the i5 13600K has surprised me I must admit 🤔 surprisingly very powerful yet efficient for a 3440x1440 or 4K gaming/editing machine ✅
Thank you for your kind words! :)
im thinking i5 13600k with an ARC a770 :P
great upload. M in mode of building PC, have started getting the parts. Opted for z790asus hero- was going for 13900k but after watching all power draw conclusions, might settle for 13600k- not that i required streaming/video editing loads, lol. There should be an auto tuner in motherboards, i heard like in msi, to down the cpu capacity and go economy mode.
Windows power mode in config low power mode make the CPU use minimal power going down to 3w in idle normal is the same high power make it go above 12w in idle
Hi there, you only changed Short Duration Power Limit to the Intel 's one and left the Long Duration to auto ? Some people say we should put both the same amount of power limit .
The majority of social media reviews give little understanding of these expensive products. Not here. The way these chips run without boundaries, or explanation, is not good. It's a lot of money.
Thank you! I appreciate it. :)
I stick with 65w version of any cpu for gaming.
The stats for the Cinebench(stopped watching before gaming comparison) are incomplete. Peak/bottom/average power consumption says little to nothing without a complete energy count or at least an average power consumption combined with time to complete the work/task so we can calculate it ourselves.
As most videos it is missing: watt per performance; undervolting intel vs eco AMD and then performance + watt / performance
Okay Late comment here. If you adjust the power limits on the Intel, you also have to factor in the performance decrease. Maybe provide some FPS/Watts figures? Thats a more fair comparison.
13600k a BEAST in every way. Time to say goodbye to AMD
Bye ✌️
7800X3D is just overpriced so yes.
Even 13500 is better than 7600x
@@wahyuetex4594seriously ?? How?
ahhh Why don't you have the AMD 7900 on?? It is perhaps the most interesting CPU in the world, especially in that area, fuck the X'ere cpus sorry
I dont know how idle is 66w with the 13600K when im at 3w in idle ....
total system power vs cpu only and many use the high performance power plans which prevents the cpu and gpu from idling.
@@pino_de_vogel even on performance my total 6950xt +13600k don't use more than 48 while doing nothing
@@jibrilherrcherofhorny4448 yeah nvidia gpus ahve a bigger gain from balanced mt 10760 used to do 9 vs 110 watts idle if i set it to performance in drivers. my 6900XT does not seem to care anymore. used to with early drivers.
My system (R7 7700 65W + RTX 3060 + DDR5-6200 + 3 SSDs and 2 HDDs) idle at 66W (measured on the power supply cable)... Loking at HWMonitor it indicates that the CPU idle around 25 to 35W... Not too bad given that this CPU uses the chiplet architecture insted of the monolithic one used on AMD laptop CPUs and all current Intel CPUs (monilithic CPUs are much better in idle power, that's why all laptop CPUs are monolithic)... I recently upgraded from my old 4th gen. Intel Xeon E3-1271 v3 (it's an i7-4770k) and that whole Intel system idled at 40W (using the same GPU, SSDs, HDDs).
AMD shines when you put load on them, especially if it is a 65W CPU. The "X" CPUs are just bad tunned, they pushed the power and vcore too much to have a little more performance (that's why I didn't buy a 7700X, I got a cheaper 7700 instead, and set the PBO to 75W with undervolt and +250Mhz on the boost clock, my system total power with 100% use on the CPU is around 150W, the CPU itself draws 102W). Taking a 105W AMD CPU and limiting its power to 90W (or less) with undervolt will make it much more power efficient with a very little performance loss on high loads.
@@MCA0090 My whole 9900k+ 6900XT rig idles at 32 watt with 3 ssd 5 fans spinning and 2 hard drives and 3 led strips. my sysstemmi8s idle for 10+ hours a day tho so idle is very important. with gaming the 9900k never goes over 80 watts even tho full load it can boost op to 225 watts (5.1ghz all core)
insane amounts of power those cpu's draw from the wall ;) especially in these very expensive times (energy prices).
So true... especially over here in Europe.
This video is extremely confusing when you keep highlighting processors but giving completely different data than what is displayed on the chart.
Pretty sure the GPU is skewing these results .
Lets go, Intel 😍
wait, how the fuck can you even cool 490w power?
Consuption and tdp are different. You use 490w but only a part of this power will be transformed to a heat. This part is the TDP. They can measure it in watt or in calories or joules. I think it's better to use calories for the TDP because in this case, use watt is so confuse.
Check the video again, 490w is all the conputer not only the cpu
@@MrJohnofficial "You use 490w but only a part of this power will be transformed to a heat" a bit kinetic energy is transformed by the fans and LED's , but mostly thermic energy.
This video is outright wrong, HWInfo gives inaccurate information on Ryzen Idle power, not accurately displaying wattage when cores are parked/off/sleeping. Ryzen Master correctly displays power use when cores park. It will keep 1 core around 300mhz and park the other 11 cores, Using 20 watts SOC and 10w on the core that remains active, with the rest completely shut off
I'm not measuring power consumption using software. I take my measurements directly from the wall in a controlled setting. :)
Is this supposed to be impressive? Your numbers all say that the Intel CPUs are FAR worse in power consumption than the AMD CPUs but all I hear from your mouth is:
blah, blah, blah, both are bad.
If you want to push a false equivalency, go ahead, just don't expect anyone to take you seriously.
I'm not sure what's supposed to be "impressive" here.
Both Intel and AMD consume way too much power than they should. Both require manual optimization.
It's never a good idea to take a specific company's side, be it Intel or AMD... at the end of the day, these are corporations that want money from their consumers.
But to each their own.
Stop the cap
Good review.
Thank you! :)
Intel nummero uno
numero uno with 1 fps better and 300000000w more plus the price too expensive :d
To all the green energy and climate change freaks out there .. TURN OFF you computer and router and keep off the grid ..
What about energy bills?!!!!