You know you can proudly say you are American when your grandfather who went through WWI,WWII, the Great Depression, the Vietnam war, 9/11 and 2000 has built one of these :)
Despite what anyone thinks i think it is great to see these engines working as they should and the guys operateing them very well brilliant!! thankyou.(from an engine owner and operator)
The old Frick mill I was around when I was a kid is still going. No hydraulic or air anything unless you count the wheezing you do on the end of a board, slab, hook or log. Really good learning experience!.
I did not leave any comment about degeneration I support the Amish and think what they do is okay for their way of life . The old ways are sometimes the better for our families to remain closer. I like real craftsmanship and working with my hands.
I was a tea and coffee planter in Africa for many years and on my estate we had a similar device but,at some time before my arrival,it had been converted from a steam engine to an electrically driven saw.I t ran perfectly for years.The only maintenance being oil,keeping dust out of the motor and ensuring that the tracks did not shake their holding down bolts loose.All our building timber on the estate was supplied with this device.For all I know it is running still.
In 1998 I was tail sawer on a similar 1920 nickel mill sawing lumber for my house and my father in laws shop at the farm. Good hard work. We drove the mill with a flat belt off of a PTO angle drive from a 1070 Case tractor. Work well and speed was similar to this one. pay attention that lumber comes fast.
Not all of us are city fokes. I grew up on a farm where we raised what we ate and had a saw mill that hooked to a drum on the rear wheel of a 1 ton truck. To many kids grow up not knowing the joy of farm work..yep farm work is hard but can be a joy to
My Dad loves this clip, he has watched it about 100 times, and shows his mates, and my Mum and I sit and hear "weeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr"..... "weeeeeeeerrrrrrrrr" and I say to Day "You're not watching that bloody sawmill video again are you?"... hahaha, so funny.
I don't know why I didn't think of that. I was born and raised on a farm and we used treshing machines that we turned the belt over to get things going the rite way. That was a long time ago and I forgot, I have a good memory but it's short, lol. This is a great vid I love that old stuff and it's amazing how well it still works today.
Definitely no ear muffs. No earplugs I bet. Absolutely awesome though. My great grandpa ran a saw mill like this with an huge hit or miss engine after he came back from the pacific theatre.
The best part at the end when the sawyer hops up on the log to finish cutting the board with the chainsaw. It’s clear that guy has sawn a lot of lumber. I remember those.
I saw wood cut at the old iron works at Batsto in the Jersey pine barrens. The mill's round blade was powered by a water wheel and it ran slowly but didn't bog down on heavy stock.
Observer with the red hat standing right in line with the saw blade turning towards him.. worst possible place to stand in a sawmill.. that is where all the holes are in a sawmill building... from tossed chunks of wood and iron hit in a log. Great to see the Bakers and the sawing.
Lots to go wrong with the mechanics though. These machines might be good when they work, but they are a BITCH to try and repair and maintain otherwise.
No1HillBilly Exactly the point I was making!Our old machine was running in all weathers with the minimum of shelter;the boys,all untrained and unlettered, serving the machine knew how to fix anything that went wrong.Being nearly one hundred miles from the nearest town meant that we had to be self-reliant.I am aware that modern machinery is super reliable but,if something does go awry you a re stumped!
Squarerig One huge advantage of modern machinery is energy density. A steam engine from 1880 puts out maybe 20 HP in mechanical power and is 10% efficient. With diesel tractors the power output of these is 50 times that, and the efficiency far higher. When it's time to harvest you hire the guy with the combines and he does 1500 acres in a day. You don't need everyone to know how to fix one because there are only a few needed to serve a community.
I worked at aa sawmill in the 1970s. It was all manual except one of them, I worked 2, had a chain conveyor system that would bring the logs within 3ft of the carriage. It was run by a D8 Cat engine with a straight pipe and one speed all day long till an hour out for noon. I hand stacked 8X8s, 8X10s, 10X10s, 10X12s, 12X12s. They were cut for parking lot blocks/stops. I later became a turner and was slated to become a sawyer, but jumped ship at SW Mo around by Okla. I was a young bull then.
No, they have a big sprocket chain hooked to the carriage that pulls it along, and it is controlled by a belt on the saw frame. Really simple, back then there was no hydraulics, only steam. Plus, the steam only ran that big flywheel on the side of the engine, everything it ran was mechanical.
We have a 1911 Lane sawmill, that was ran by water for almost 60 years. We use a Cat D8 for a power unit now, but we have to turn our logs by hand with cant-dogs.
Man O Man , That Brings Back a lot of Memories. The last "Circle Mill" I owned and operated had a "SUPER 250 CUMMINS DIESEL'' When it "BLEW-UP" (engine) I Got a 400 HORSEPOWER CUMMINS and was going to "REPOWER" with THAT. But It was "GETTING A LITTLE CRAZY" even for ME. So I changed to a LARGE Horizontal Thin Kerf Band Saw.
that's not a bad idea, we need to start doing the same in the us soon.what most loggers do to save trees is they only cut half of them down and leave the other half for next year and by then the ones they cut will have new ones in there place.they aren't the biggest but its an idea that works so far at the very least.
This definitely brings back memories of working on an all manual mill when I was a teenager, but we had a 240hp Jimmy diesel running ours...and I was the power log turner. LOL. Makes me sore just thinking about it!
Video ended a minute too soon.. wanted to watch them turn down that last log and make the next cut.. But a great video to see the two steam engines power that saw...
The mill looks like an old Corley. My uncle rand a mill for years using Corley equipment only on a larger scale. It was powered by a 400 hp. electric motor.
So they actually use these antiques for their every day job? Note i didn't mean that in a bad way, i love old machines. One just doesn't regularly see them in use.
Of course they are; it's easy to verify, just plug your scan tool into the OBDII port located um..........I guess somewhere. Just verify no codes are set and it should all be good!
And the guy wearing the red cap standing in the most dangerous spot in a sawmill looking right at the blade. It is where everything possible gets thrown by the circular saw.
if i had to guess i would say they probably have each engine doing a different job like one running the blade the other running the feed ? not sure though
Mesmerizing. Water powered the world for quite a few years, either by turning a water wheel, or being converted to steam. There's a comment that it's not steam because there's black smoke, the black smoke is from the wood burning to turn the water into steam.
the pyramids are in a triangle and certainly are not built the same as your average two story or one story building. a highrise building uses metal and similar frame designs (in most case" as what you would use when building a wooden house.and plus what about heating the house during the cold winters then, yes you've shown me a way to keep it cool but how about keeping it nice and warm during winter.
There were kids on place, all those men have worked with those things all their life. Was you seeing someone with out fingers or hand? I am 45 years old worked also with very old fashion machines, with sharp things, steam hammers, open belts. Have learned to work and be with those things when I was small. Was told what can do and what not. I have all fingers, everything what I had also when I borned. You are not coming carelessness, you know what is danger there. You learn to be carefull.
I believe they use engines of all sorts, just not to power the vehicles they farm with or travel in. They also use modern machinery with engines powering them and pulled by horses rather than powered by PTO from a tractor.
that the old style sawmill U have 2 pull the Rachel ever time U want 2 saw a line that 1 doesn't have a man log turner its been changed 2 a auto log turner most of old frick sawmills had the lumber gauge wheel instead of the dial wheel like that 1 OMG 12 3 2O22
all well its alright i believe you and we really should cut back on tree usage as much as we can. its going to run out just like oil will soon run out and when that happens all of the world is going to fall apart.i will definably have to look around some more about stone houses myself as well, sorry if i sounded like an asshole at first I'm a little to used to dealing with trolls and weirdo's attacking me.
Some very nice old engine there, That the way to go steam. Can use the scraps and saw dust for power. I wonder if they where ever use for trains? I see the tractor wheels on em. They don't mess around there getting her done! Try to fine a saw blade like that one now days he heee
Yes. Steam Locomotives were used to pull trains. They were first used in the 1820's and most railways around the world were done with using them for profit service by the 1970's. They were too inefficient and too labor-intensive compared to diesel and electric locomotives.
If both engines are turning the same shaft is one running backwards or is there a gear system set up? There's lots of power in them steamers. GREAT VID THANKS.
The saw teeth we use here are Simonds, standall , 9/32 kerf for a 6-8 gauge 58" f patern saw. Sawmills like this that are cutting logs with the bark still on on the logs, would destroy a carbide insert tooth and cannot be repaired . Bark still being on the logs harbor dirt, sand and tiny pebbles that chips the carbide tips of the sawtooth. However if we want a harder tooth, but not as hard or brittle as carbide, we use Simonds side cromed inserts. Otherwise, it's just a regular insert.
Yea, The one I worked at had a big honk'n Cummins diesel for power, but I loaded the logs and turned them. The only air was at lunch when the old timers started telling wild stories! LOL
The old current one has a 4-71 made back in the 50's and the only steam is from the off-bearers. The son and grandson run it now but when the dad and uncle were alive it was Katy, bar the door till dark after we got out of school. That's when the 'help' arrived. US!
It might not even be coal powering those engines. A fair number of surviving steam engines have switched to wood burning because it is easier to obtain and arguably better for the environment. Those engines might very well be stoking up the slabwood produced as a byproduct of the mill, turning waste into fuel to cut more.
Unless this is a commercial operation OSHA wouldn't be concerned. However if it where commercial, the workman's comp insurance carrier might shut them down, canceling their policy. In most states employees are required to be covered by workman's comp, no coverage no operation Not say OSHA isn't a factor at all.
hmm well now, you have proven to me that stone can be used in the housing business.Such a same that we will never move away from wood any time soon thanks to corporate greed.
You know you can proudly say you are American when your grandfather who went through WWI,WWII, the Great Depression, the Vietnam war, 9/11 and 2000 has built one of these :)
This is every bit as fast on the cut as any modern mill. Love it.
I could watch this all day long.. beautiful.
Would love to spend a year or 5 with these guys.
Despite what anyone thinks i think it is great to see these engines working as they should and the guys operateing them very well brilliant!! thankyou.(from an engine owner and operator)
Those guys aren't a bunch of hobbyists doing a demo at a county fair. They've got work to do, and they ain't messing around.
The old Frick mill I was around when I was a kid is still going. No hydraulic or air anything unless you count the wheezing you do on the end of a board, slab, hook or log. Really good learning experience!.
I have to say I could watch this all day so cool
+iwantosavemoney
Addictive ....
I love coming back to this video, because unlike most sawyers, these guys don't fuck around and dawdle.
I did not leave any comment about degeneration I support the Amish and think what they do is okay for their way of life . The old ways are sometimes the better for our families to remain closer. I like real craftsmanship and working with my hands.
Much respect to the people that put that rig together . Awesome job
this is what you tube is about ,superb working videos. and so quick ? just a pleasure to watch ..
I was a tea and coffee planter in Africa for many years and on my estate we had a similar device but,at some time before my arrival,it had been converted from a steam engine to an electrically driven saw.I t ran perfectly for years.The only maintenance being oil,keeping dust out of the motor and ensuring that the tracks did not shake their holding down bolts loose.All our building timber on the estate was supplied with this device.For all I know it is running still.
A tea and coffee planter in Africa? That is very cool.
In 1998 I was tail sawer on a similar 1920 nickel mill sawing lumber for my house and my father in laws shop at the farm. Good hard work. We drove the mill with a flat belt off of a PTO angle drive from a 1070 Case tractor. Work well and speed was similar to this one. pay attention that lumber comes fast.
It brings back memories, I was a tail sawyer on a 54" #4 Ireland back in the days
Not all of us are city fokes. I grew up on a farm where we raised what we ate and had a saw mill that hooked to a drum on the rear wheel of a 1 ton truck. To many kids grow up not knowing the joy of farm work..yep farm work is hard but can be a joy to
My Dad loves this clip, he has watched it about 100 times, and shows his mates, and my Mum and I sit and hear "weeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr"..... "weeeeeeeerrrrrrrrr" and I say to Day "You're not watching that bloody sawmill video again are you?"... hahaha, so funny.
I don't know why I didn't think of that. I was born and raised on a farm and we used treshing machines that we turned the belt over to get things going the rite way. That was a long time ago and I forgot, I have a good memory but it's short, lol. This is a great vid I love that old stuff and it's amazing how well it still works today.
Definitely no ear muffs. No earplugs I bet. Absolutely awesome though. My great grandpa ran a saw mill like this with an huge hit or miss engine after he came back from the pacific theatre.
synchronizing the Steam Engines is really cool. Good job!
The best part at the end when the sawyer hops up on the log to finish cutting the board with the chainsaw. It’s clear that guy has sawn a lot of lumber. I remember those.
22 people that voted this down are OSHA and EPA employees.
+GGigabiteM Fuck the EPA
+Vicsonvee & to piss them off even more start shoveling the sawdust into both fireboxes of the traction engines
Vicsonvee Yeah because clean air is overrated. What a fucking idiotic comment.
@@Vicsonvee Agreed. EPA is very hypocritical and useless.
I saw wood cut at the old iron works at Batsto in the Jersey pine barrens. The mill's round blade was powered by a water wheel and it ran slowly but didn't bog down on heavy stock.
Observer with the red hat standing right in line with the saw blade turning towards him.. worst possible place to stand in a sawmill.. that is where all the holes are in a sawmill building... from tossed chunks of wood and iron hit in a log.
Great to see the Bakers and the sawing.
I admire and respect the Amish. These people work hard and ask little of the government.
This is progress!No electronics to break down and frustrate the operators.
Lots to go wrong with the mechanics though. These machines might be good when they work, but they are a BITCH to try and repair and maintain otherwise.
When these old machines were state of the art 90% of the population lived on farms and the average life expectancy was 40.
No1HillBilly Exactly the point I was making!Our old machine was running in all weathers with the minimum of shelter;the boys,all untrained and unlettered, serving the machine knew how to fix anything that went wrong.Being nearly one hundred miles from the nearest town meant that we had to be self-reliant.I am aware that modern machinery is super reliable but,if something does go awry you a re stumped!
Squarerig One huge advantage of modern machinery is energy density. A steam engine from 1880 puts out maybe 20 HP in mechanical power and is 10% efficient.
With diesel tractors the power output of these is 50 times that, and the efficiency far higher. When it's time to harvest you hire the guy with the combines and he does 1500 acres in a day. You don't need everyone to know how to fix one because there are only a few needed to serve a community.
I work in a place that runs there CNC machines 24/7 360 days a year
I worked at aa sawmill in the 1970s. It was all manual except one of them, I worked 2, had a chain conveyor system that would bring the logs within 3ft of the carriage. It was run by a D8 Cat engine with a straight pipe and one speed all day long till an hour out for noon. I hand stacked 8X8s, 8X10s, 10X10s, 10X12s, 12X12s. They were cut for parking lot blocks/stops. I later became a turner and was slated to become a sawyer, but jumped ship at SW Mo around by Okla. I was a young bull then.
They know how to work.I could never do the job they do.
But using steam and coal fired boilers unreal ,wow.
old machines still work even in 2012
No, they have a big sprocket chain hooked to the carriage that pulls it along, and it is controlled by a belt on the saw frame. Really simple, back then there was no hydraulics, only steam. Plus, the steam only ran that big flywheel on the side of the engine, everything it ran was mechanical.
I love watching these old engines work!
We have a 1911 Lane sawmill, that was ran by water for almost 60 years. We use a Cat D8 for a power unit now, but we have to turn our logs by hand with cant-dogs.
Man O Man , That Brings Back a lot of Memories. The last "Circle Mill" I owned and operated had a "SUPER 250 CUMMINS DIESEL'' When it "BLEW-UP" (engine) I Got a 400 HORSEPOWER CUMMINS and was going to "REPOWER" with THAT. But It was "GETTING A LITTLE CRAZY" even for ME.
So I changed to a LARGE Horizontal Thin Kerf Band Saw.
I wish I was there with them . It looks like a lot of fun and good hard work .
that's not a bad idea, we need to start doing the same in the us soon.what most loggers do to save trees is they only cut half of them down and leave the other half for next year and by then the ones they cut will have new ones in there place.they aren't the biggest but its an idea that works so far at the very least.
This definitely brings back memories of working on an all manual mill when I was a teenager, but we had a 240hp Jimmy diesel running ours...and I was the power log turner. LOL. Makes me sore just thinking about it!
No pollution a bit of smoke modern hydraulic s good speed and portable the old with the new beautiful
The 2 Bakers total 165 rated horsepower, but in fact dyno somewhat higher.
Some of the logs were enormous, and all hardwood.
great piece of equipment and looks like it would cut alot of lumber in a day thanks
Video ended a minute too soon.. wanted to watch them turn down that last log and make the next cut..
But a great video to see the two steam engines power that saw...
This is awesome. Twin traction engines!
That is one hell of a sweet setup.
Saws better than a goddam Jimmy.
I'm betting this is near Charm Ohio. I've see this mill run in person and it works like this all day long, every day.
The real danger is in handling the logs.
Nice video
MrJohnnaz No different than cleaning up the yard after a tornado when I was a kid..
I can smell the sawdust. Skillz.
Lols at the dude with the chainsaw in amongst all this old gear! :D
I love watching the men cut wood the old way thanks
This guy knows how to saw lumber
Amazing motor its the time i saw one
kinda fun watchin that..doing things the old ways...
The mill looks like an old Corley. My uncle rand a mill for years using Corley equipment only on a larger scale. It was powered by a 400 hp. electric motor.
Amish! They do great work
So they actually use these antiques for their every day job? Note i didn't mean that in a bad way, i love old machines. One just doesn't regularly see them in use.
I love this video!! What speed!!.
Mike
Those tractors are both California emission compliant for 2014 level A. Right?
fuck your prius.
'merica!
Of course they are; it's easy to verify, just plug your scan tool into the OBDII port located um..........I guess somewhere. Just verify no codes are set and it should all be good!
Doesn't matter, they get the job done with a minimum of fuss,no electronic nannies to screw up.
George Boyd Uhh..thanks, I guess. That was supposed to be extreme sarcasm. I didn't expect a real reply.
No offense meant. Those old tractors were making some good stack talk,were they not!
And the guy wearing the red cap standing in the most dangerous spot in a sawmill looking right at the blade. It is where everything possible gets thrown by the circular saw.
I can tell the blade needs to be sharpened, based on the high-pitched sound it's making while cutting
if i had to guess i would say they probably have each engine doing a different job like one running the blade the other running the feed ? not sure though
Mesmerizing.
Water powered the world for quite a few years, either by turning a water wheel, or being converted to steam.
There's a comment that it's not steam because there's black smoke, the black smoke is from the wood burning to turn the water into steam.
Sawyer is very good.
very nice
could you tell me if you have to kiln dry the wood board after
thanks
Main thing about saw Lumber is have a lot of power
the pyramids are in a triangle and certainly are not built the same as your average two story or one story building. a highrise building uses metal and similar frame designs (in most case" as what you would use when building a wooden house.and plus what about heating the house during the cold winters then, yes you've shown me a way to keep it cool but how about keeping it nice and warm during winter.
There were kids on place, all those men have worked with those things all their life. Was you seeing someone with out fingers or hand? I am 45 years old worked also with very old fashion machines, with sharp things, steam hammers, open belts. Have learned to work and be with those things when I was small. Was told what can do and what not. I have all fingers, everything what I had also when I borned. You are not coming carelessness, you know what is danger there. You learn to be carefull.
I believe they use engines of all sorts, just not to power the vehicles they farm with or travel in. They also use modern machinery with engines powering them and pulled by horses rather than powered by PTO from a tractor.
that the old style sawmill U have 2 pull the Rachel ever time U want 2 saw a line that 1 doesn't have a man log turner its been changed 2 a auto log turner most of old frick sawmills had the lumber gauge wheel instead of the dial wheel like that 1 OMG 12 3 2O22
how does that bed go back and forth so fast? I thought they had a pulley and cable on them?
all well its alright i believe you and we really should cut back on tree usage as much as we can. its going to run out just like oil will soon run out and when that happens all of the world is going to fall apart.i will definably have to look around some more about stone houses myself as well, sorry if i sounded like an asshole at first I'm a little to used to dealing with trolls and weirdo's attacking me.
Man they move great video
How is the log carriage moved? Salem Winch or shot gun ? Nice little carriage dog set up too.
Some very nice old engine there, That the way to go steam. Can use the scraps and saw dust for power. I wonder if they where ever use for trains? I see the tractor wheels on em. They don't mess around there getting her done! Try to fine a saw blade like that one now days he heee
Yes. Steam Locomotives were used to pull trains. They were first used in the 1820's and most railways around the world were done with using them for profit service by the 1970's. They were too inefficient and too labor-intensive compared to diesel and electric locomotives.
No1HillBilly True! There's a school that teaches that not far from here. Maybe it won't die out with all the band mills popping up.
If both engines are turning the same shaft is one running backwards or is there a gear system set up? There's lots of power in them steamers. GREAT VID THANKS.
Put a figure of 8 in the belt of one engine
poetry in motion...
That blade is incredible, it just keeps on cutting non stop.I wonder if it's a special carbide tip blade ??
Yes they are usually carbide-tipped
The saw teeth we use here are Simonds, standall , 9/32 kerf for a 6-8 gauge 58" f patern saw. Sawmills like this that are cutting logs with the bark still on on the logs, would destroy a carbide insert tooth and cannot be repaired . Bark still being on the logs harbor dirt, sand and tiny pebbles that chips the carbide tips of the sawtooth. However if we want a harder tooth, but not as hard or brittle as carbide, we use Simonds side cromed inserts. Otherwise, it's just a regular insert.
Wow, did travis mahoney really just type that??
Old saw mill saying you haven't sawed until you have sawed with steam
+John Sole May be BUT do you have to have an air carriage and a hydraulic turner like this one to do it? We never did and still don't.
Yea, The one I worked at had a big honk'n Cummins diesel for power, but I loaded the logs and turned them. The only air was at lunch when the old timers started telling wild stories! LOL
The old current one has a 4-71 made back in the 50's and the only steam is from the off-bearers. The son and grandson run it now but when the dad and uncle were alive it was Katy, bar the door till dark after we got out of school. That's when the 'help' arrived. US!
So THAT's what the side wheel is for. Always wondered
+Ethan Deitz , look up flywheel.
Does one engine drive just the saw blade and the other the "accessories" like the table, carriage, etc.?
Without knowing more, have you ever seen a live amish or talked to one about their life style?
Looked like about a 3 by 6 he kicked off.
I guess that would be their actual cut.
It might not even be coal powering those engines. A fair number of surviving steam engines have switched to wood burning because it is easier to obtain and arguably better for the environment.
Those engines might very well be stoking up the slabwood produced as a byproduct of the mill, turning waste into fuel to cut more.
+renegadeoflife87
Looked like the one on the right was using coal ....
And it looks like "coal smoke"
I don't know what smoke wood makes .... :)
They are coal fired.
Looks like coal at 6:35 into the video.
OdinYggd n
what are those two jointed pivoting arms for? cool rig either way!
That is a fantastic saw, it makes my bandrack setup look very slow. Does anybody know the power output of these baker engines?
you made more Co2 with your fucking comment than this steam engine consumes with one log
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I have another question what are they using for fuel to fire the steamers?
Unless this is a commercial operation OSHA wouldn't be concerned. However if it where commercial, the workman's comp insurance carrier might shut them down, canceling their policy. In most states employees are required to be covered by workman's comp, no coverage no operation Not say OSHA isn't a factor at all.
hmm well now, you have proven to me that stone can be used in the housing business.Such a same that we will never move away from wood any time soon thanks to corporate greed.
Coolest thing here
OSHA would have a field day !
Shove osha
This mill single handedly created the global warming threat.
Absolutely right.
Where is the air compressor and hydraulic pump to power the log handling gear and how are they powered?
Steam power, friend.
very nice
I've cut Millions board feet with diesel power. give my left arm to try it with steam
' elf n'safety would love this lot!
excellent vid :)
I didn't think the omish could use anything motorized or their church and families would disown them. I guess they made an exception to their rule.
Looks like Amish running the show!
what is the watering can for?
This carriage needs lot of man power, kindda old fashioned , should be one with hydraulics and electric. Like Fimaksan mills
+ Animator Fifty Four I think your missing the point.
Is this in Ohio in Amish Country?