Very nice to hear the difference. Because the length between mouthpiece and rotaries is shorter than the one between mouthpiece and pistons, the sound is more direct, like a flugelhorn. I only used to play piston trumpet, cornet and flugelhorn, but I definitely love the sound of rotary trumpet! It gives a smoothness you cannot attain with pistons.
I think this depends very much on the particular instruments. The Schagerl rotary is a relatively heavy version, with goldbrass bell. I‘d say that my CarolBrass 8060 has a more full and mellow sound than my Ganter G6 (yellowbrass). On the other hand, that one is quite shiny in the middle and upper registers, but never as sharp as most piston trumpets.
Thanks for the comparison Dr Burt. This video proves to me that there's more difference between approach and sound concept than the construct of the horn rotary or otherwise. Bottom line is sound comes from you. Love your videos and keep them coming.
Interesting. The Rotary is definitely cleaner sounding, and seems easier to sustain in the upper register. But still, I think the piston trumpet has a 'fuller' sound. They are really close in the hands of a skilled musician, so maybe just 'right tool for the job' and such. I can't really imagine a fat jazz sound coming out of the rotary for example.
I think there is a difference in the "attack" (as a guitar player thats what I would call it..sorry if thats wrong) of the note, especially on faster notes, like triplets. The rotary seems to flow into the notes..less punch of the note. Interesting all the same. Thanks
I prefer rotary trumpets over piston trumpets for the orchestra, because they blend better with each other and the rest of the orchestra, and they seem to be more agile in the high register. But soloists seem to prefer the piston trumpet.
Rotary has more of a horn-like sound to me and seems better suited for blending in ensembles. Piston sounds fuller with more solo qualities. And it sounds better on the attack with more projection. However, there’s so many other variables at play here that could contribute to the differences in their sound signatures.
Overall, they sound far more alike than different. But if we’re splitting hairs, I hear more attack between slurred notes on piston trumpet vs rotary, kind of like french horn.
I think the rotary is MUCH brighter in sound but the sound is bigger on the piston trumpet. The rotary maybe a little more lyrical or smoother but thinner to my ear. The higher register notes seemed flat to be me as well.
Hola, muchas gracias por esa útil demostración, no logro distinguir diferencia significativa entre el sonido de ambas trompetas, pero, quisiera preguntarle, en su experiencia, ¿cual sistema es más fácil, más amable, más cómodo y ergonómico en el sentido de requerir menos esfuerzo y menor presión al soplar para producir bellos sonidos (pistones o llaves de rotor)?
it's like there is always less space between the notes on the rotary trumpet. The difference in sound is here not really like night and day. It's like a rotary trumpet is more polite, more modest, less personal in tone while the piston trumpet is more bold and assertive, has more personality. But the mouthpiece is not the same. I wonder if the timbres can get more alike with other mouthpieces or even far more apart.
Wow, that rotary runs rings around the piston horn… more even volume up top as it just sings. It does not get super fat down low and strained up top… and more colorful palate as you transition from lower volumes to fortissimo. Amazing… why do we have piston horns again?
Because some of us really enjoy that fat low range. I thought the piston horn sounded much better on certain passages, and was generally a much more consistent instrument. Of course I'm a euphonium player, so my view might be a bit different.
@@seth094978 I like the continuity of sound.. very much the same timbre top to bottom. Yes at times that fat sound is nice but can be stylistic problem as your horn shifts sound palates in a phrase…. I bought a Rotary all be it a student horn with a German mouthpiece for rotary horns it is very cool. I think i like it more than my beloved Kanstul 1001 (AKA Benge 3X+). It hold true to what i hear too… Just does not have that palate shift in the octave ranges.. more consistent but in no way thin!!! I understand your low brass love of the Fat Heavy sound and when y’all push I tend to get some grief when playing 2nd trumpet or 3rd Cornet parts allowing my sound to spread to match your timbre down low… Yes I watch the tuning and will even push in the slide to prevent going flat and just play down into the part…. That is so much fun tying the low brass to the trumpets up top… things like Flying Dutchman for example…
@@ewetho Coming back to this after paying attention to trumpet stuff for a couple years, I have come to the opinion that the piston horn is usually better. The rotary is less distinctively a trumpet, and more like a cornet in some ways. What a trumpet is, to me, is defined by the original natural instruments of 6 to 9 foot length, used before the development of valves. Those instruments thin out and become a bit dainty up in the clarino register, and are very powerful in the lower principale register. To me this is how a trumpet should act, and the piston horn here emulates it better. Naturaltrumpet84's video "Fantini - The history of the Trumpet part 2" at 5:41 has a good demonstration of what I'm talking about.
Why DID the piston-valve trumpet become 'the norm?' The rotary, as it always has done, runs rings round it in every department except maybe at the 'ffff' end of the dynamic spectrum.
Jack Burt, I can't thank you enough for inspiring me to get into rotary and I'm loving it. If anyone else is inspired but short of $$ for a Berlin Heavy...check out my review of the only cheap Chinese rotary on the market. Cheers and thanks, Pete ua-cam.com/video/XRhcd_T3kYA/v-deo.html
Incredible side-by-side. I need to get a rotary trumpet. :)
Very nice to hear the difference. Because the length between mouthpiece and rotaries is shorter than the one between mouthpiece and pistons, the sound is more direct, like a flugelhorn. I only used to play piston trumpet, cornet and flugelhorn, but I definitely love the sound of rotary trumpet! It gives a smoothness you cannot attain with pistons.
I think this depends very much on the particular instruments. The Schagerl rotary is a relatively heavy version, with goldbrass bell. I‘d say that my CarolBrass 8060 has a more full and mellow sound than my Ganter G6 (yellowbrass). On the other hand, that one is quite shiny in the middle and upper registers, but never as sharp as most piston trumpets.
this is why I am playing rotary and piston trumpet. We trumpeter are so rich on diferent Sound ❤️. Thank you so much Mr. Burt for this 😊
Thanks for the comparison Dr Burt. This video proves to me that there's more difference between approach and sound concept than the construct of the horn rotary or otherwise. Bottom line is sound comes from you. Love your videos and keep them coming.
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Interesting. The Rotary is definitely cleaner sounding, and seems easier to sustain in the upper register. But still, I think the piston trumpet has a 'fuller' sound. They are really close in the hands of a skilled musician, so maybe just 'right tool for the job' and such. I can't really imagine a fat jazz sound coming out of the rotary for example.
Check out the Scagerl Ganschhorn.
Rotary sounds amazing…
And the intonation ~ wow
I think there is a difference in the "attack" (as a guitar player thats what I would call it..sorry if thats wrong) of the note, especially on faster notes, like triplets. The rotary seems to flow into the notes..less punch of the note. Interesting all the same. Thanks
Thanks. Those are some challenging excerpts!
I prefer rotary trumpets over piston trumpets for the orchestra, because they blend better with each other and the rest of the orchestra, and they seem to be more agile in the high register. But soloists seem to prefer the piston trumpet.
Rotary has more of a horn-like sound to me and seems better suited for blending in ensembles. Piston sounds fuller with more solo qualities. And it sounds better on the attack with more projection. However, there’s so many other variables at play here that could contribute to the differences in their sound signatures.
Overall, they sound far more alike than different. But if we’re splitting hairs, I hear more attack between slurred notes on piston trumpet vs rotary, kind of like french horn.
Thank you for this comparison!
rotary sounds smoother, like a flugel, while piston sounds bigger and fuller
Kinda interesting they sound almost the same because the tubing is identical in length.
I think the rotary is MUCH brighter in sound but the sound is bigger on the piston trumpet. The rotary maybe a little more lyrical or smoother but thinner to my ear. The higher register notes seemed flat to be me as well.
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Hola, muchas gracias por esa útil demostración, no logro distinguir diferencia significativa entre el sonido de ambas trompetas, pero, quisiera preguntarle, en su experiencia, ¿cual sistema es más fácil, más amable, más cómodo y ergonómico en el sentido de requerir menos esfuerzo y menor presión al soplar para producir bellos sonidos (pistones o llaves de rotor)?
it's like there is always less space between the notes on the rotary trumpet. The difference in sound is here not really like night and day. It's like a rotary trumpet is more polite, more modest, less personal in tone while the piston trumpet is more bold and assertive, has more personality. But the mouthpiece is not the same. I wonder if the timbres can get more alike with other mouthpieces or even far more apart.
Wow, that rotary runs rings around the piston horn… more even volume up top as it just sings. It does not get super fat down low and strained up top… and more colorful palate as you transition from lower volumes to fortissimo. Amazing… why do we have piston horns again?
Because some of us really enjoy that fat low range. I thought the piston horn sounded much better on certain passages, and was generally a much more consistent instrument.
Of course I'm a euphonium player, so my view might be a bit different.
@@seth094978 I like the continuity of sound.. very much the same timbre top to bottom. Yes at times that fat sound is nice but can be stylistic problem as your horn shifts sound palates in a phrase…. I bought a Rotary all be it a student horn with a German mouthpiece for rotary horns it is very cool. I think i like it more than my beloved Kanstul 1001 (AKA Benge 3X+). It hold true to what i hear too… Just does not have that palate shift in the octave ranges.. more consistent but in no way thin!!! I understand your low brass love of the Fat Heavy sound and when y’all push I tend to get some grief when playing 2nd trumpet or 3rd Cornet parts allowing my sound to spread to match your timbre down low… Yes I watch the tuning and will even push in the slide to prevent going flat and just play down into the part…. That is so much fun tying the low brass to the trumpets up top… things like Flying Dutchman for example…
@@ewetho Coming back to this after paying attention to trumpet stuff for a couple years, I have come to the opinion that the piston horn is usually better. The rotary is less distinctively a trumpet, and more like a cornet in some ways. What a trumpet is, to me, is defined by the original natural instruments of 6 to 9 foot length, used before the development of valves. Those instruments thin out and become a bit dainty up in the clarino register, and are very powerful in the lower principale register. To me this is how a trumpet should act, and the piston horn here emulates it better. Naturaltrumpet84's video "Fantini - The history of the Trumpet part 2" at 5:41 has a good demonstration of what I'm talking about.
Why DID the piston-valve trumpet become 'the norm?' The rotary, as it always has done, runs rings round it in every department except maybe at the 'ffff' end of the dynamic spectrum.
That's a matter of opinion. :-)
Probably simpler and cheaper to mass produce
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Jack Burt, I can't thank you enough for inspiring me to get into rotary and I'm loving it. If anyone else is inspired but short of $$ for a Berlin Heavy...check out my review of the only cheap Chinese rotary on the market. Cheers and thanks, Pete
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