Metal Casting at Home Part 26 How to make Greensand

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  • @daveys
    @daveys 3 роки тому +4

    This is really impressive. No matter how often I see casting done, I am always happy to watch more.

  • @66tas95
    @66tas95 3 роки тому +3

    Absolutely love your videos. Straight forward no crappy music, great camera angles and simple script describing the process. A big thank you from Australia

  • @lesdunn736
    @lesdunn736 6 років тому +3

    Perfect demonstration.
    Last time I did this was 46 years ago. Memories flooding back. Thank you.

  • @crogersdev
    @crogersdev 4 роки тому +2

    guy comes from the country with the coolest accent when speaking english and he makes a whole long video without saying a word.

  • @Ericdawg420
    @Ericdawg420 10 років тому +58

    I work in a steel foundry where we make green sand and no bake sand molds much bigger. To prevent minute defects in your casting sift a layer of sand over your pattern to get a more fine sand , it will result in a higher quality casting

    • @garrett259
      @garrett259 6 років тому

      That is what I was going to say

    • @tylerkrug7719
      @tylerkrug7719 5 років тому +1

      I've seen him do it in other videos

    • @teresabeecher6457
      @teresabeecher6457 4 роки тому +1

      You will not get a smooth as cast finish with that sand you need a facing sand

    • @umbeatable2770
      @umbeatable2770 2 роки тому

      Hello there. Can I cast stainless steel parts with this mixture of play sand??

    • @lenny108
      @lenny108 Рік тому

      2:10 seems casting sand is without water just oil that stands high temperatures

  • @tomayrscotland6890
    @tomayrscotland6890 2 місяці тому

    Hi Davys' you are right I have watched myford boy for 3 years now and I am up to scratch with my casting. I do boat cleats mostly. My father was a brass moulder making propellers near bulldale street yoker.
    I am up to scratch with my Blacksmithing too thanks to Black Bear Forge..
    One can never learn enough, And I am 76 and still working.... ta ta to all.

  • @mbunds
    @mbunds 10 років тому +4

    Forming the ingate is an art; many of my attempts result in poorly filled areas, particularly where the part is thin, or contains fine details. These videos are excellent guides for sorting this all out. Thanks!

  • @marcwire9332
    @marcwire9332 10 років тому +29

    5 things will help.
    add zircon flour to your sand mix, it will take the roughness out of the definition, the other this is dust you molds first this will help with release and definition
    cut a slag trap in your feeder gate.
    add a riser this will help to pressure the casting from two sides, it will also feed it when cooling
    if you want super fine then use a zircon spray coating for your mold, you should be able to achieve close to mirror finish
    Great work!

    • @umbeatable2770
      @umbeatable2770 2 роки тому +1

      Hello there. Can I cast stainless steel parts with this mixture of play sand??

    • @marcwire9332
      @marcwire9332 2 роки тому +2

      @@umbeatable2770 yes

    • @nickbolton5198
      @nickbolton5198 2 роки тому +1

      Hello there lathe machinist over here can i melt and cast carbon steelcand stainless steel in a propane melter ( melt and pour into a mold ) ty

    • @handblitz4408
      @handblitz4408 2 роки тому

      @@marcwire9332 wow lol u responded after 6 years

    • @duongdoda
      @duongdoda 10 місяців тому

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  • @emel60
    @emel60 4 роки тому

    I have seen a lot of professional videos, but your video, sir, showed me more than all of them together. Well done!

  • @alexwebster3151
    @alexwebster3151 7 років тому +5

    Love your videos. A good source for bentonite is natural bentonite cat litter, it's nearly 100% bentonite. I'm using an old espresso grinder to grind it into a fine powder before mixing it together with sand.

  • @myfordboy
    @myfordboy  11 років тому +1

    A riser is not needed for small castings like this. You can add vents if you wish but the porosity of the sand will expel the air.

  • @myfordboy
    @myfordboy  11 років тому

    Please go to myfordboy.blogspot.com and look at the TIPS and FAQ page.
    There is a list of recommended books

  • @lightmeupsigns5363
    @lightmeupsigns5363 6 років тому +3

    Absolutely loved watching the whole casting series

  • @allensmith5480
    @allensmith5480 8 років тому +2

    It's been over 30 years since I taught foundry practice in high school and you did a great job, especially with the sand mix. Clarify your clay type though. Over all...you comunicated well. Thank you for the reintroduction to a past love.

  • @myfordboy
    @myfordboy  12 років тому

    I have details at myfordboy.blogspot.com

  • @myfordboy
    @myfordboy  13 років тому +2

    @bladder1010 The air escapes through the porous sand. if it were a larger casting I would have added a riser at the oposite side to the feeder.

  • @davidduffy9806
    @davidduffy9806 9 років тому +2

    Thank you for taking the time and documenting your Blacksmithing, it's very much appreciated

  • @Deadcntr
    @Deadcntr 12 років тому +1

    Very good video. I highly recommend this one for anyone wishing to learn the sand casting process.

  • @SmeeUncleJoe
    @SmeeUncleJoe 3 місяці тому

    Very instructive for those of us on a budget . There is a great wide mouth funnel that is used in canning. I'm sure Wamart sells them as many other stores do. Be a great addition to your shop and save a lot of cleanup ..... and replacing your scale.

  • @myfordboy
    @myfordboy  13 років тому

    @joycicles I used 12 % bentonite. More details at myfordboy.blogspot.com

  • @Duckyistrippin
    @Duckyistrippin 11 років тому +4

    If you go to a masonry supply place they will have bags of 120u sand for about 14 bucks/100lbs. Makes for very nice casting sand. Not too fine, not too course. It wont leave grain texture in your casting. Pottery houses sell the powdered bentonite for 2 bucks a pound. {8-10lbs per 100lbs and bag}. Way easier than sifting play sand! and it comes dry :) play sand is usually wet which is why the bags are so small {water is heavy, its packed by weight}

  • @billrichardson4873
    @billrichardson4873 9 років тому +2

    you make this look easy, I've been trying to get a good mold for weeks it either doesn't part off the piece clean, or mold doesn't part clean. Poured one yesterday, mold looked good, still didn't part like yours but thought it would work. Then when I poured it blew out the side. So here I go again. I do however find your work inspiring so will keep watching till I get it right... Thank you for your video's, they've been very helpful....

    • @myfordboy
      @myfordboy  9 років тому

      +Bill Richardson It could be your moisture content is wrong or the bentinite % if you have made your own sand. It takes a bit of practice to get it right

    • @billrichardson4873
      @billrichardson4873 9 років тому

      Thank you, I read where 10% clay to sand mix was what you want but that didn't work at all, so I went to adding more clay. Seems to be a lot better I am at about 18% now, most likely pushing the limits. Your videos are so helpful, trying to watch all of them, guess that makes me a fan.... Thanks very much for the reply....

  • @myfordboy
    @myfordboy  12 років тому +1

    You can get material to rejuvinuate the sand. I haven't noticed any change in my commesial sand after years of use.

  • @myfordboy
    @myfordboy  12 років тому

    I later used losalt as I feel it gave a better result but I now have some aluminium drossing flux.
    I haven't noticed the castings are particularly brittle but maybe softer than the doner metal.

  • @myfordboy
    @myfordboy  12 років тому

    I usualy use a commercial sand. I made up this batch just to see how it worked out. Most people would mix dry and add the water later but I found it easier to do it this way. Its not sufficient to just mix it in a concrete mixer it needs to bepushed together. Adding a steel ball to mixer might work.

  • @Uncle-Duncan-Shack
    @Uncle-Duncan-Shack 12 років тому

    Your videos are great, with what I learnt from you I produced my first and successful casting yesterday.

  • @myfordboy
    @myfordboy  11 років тому

    It's to give a bit of pressure and to feed the mould as the metal shrinks as it cools.Also its easier to pour into.

  • @myfordboy
    @myfordboy  12 років тому

    The plastic blocks are known as modesty blocks. If you go to myfordboy.blogspot.com there is a page all about making the flasks.

  • @myfordboy
    @myfordboy  12 років тому

    The extended feeder gives the metal "head". As the metal cools it shrinks and the risers feed the casting. The extension is more important with aluminium than other metals.

  • @victoruwazuoke4128
    @victoruwazuoke4128 5 років тому

    How I wish I had a country like urs were every thing is kept for people who wanna be succesful well u did a great job there

  • @myfordboy
    @myfordboy  13 років тому

    @Shannariano The sand I have and made is water bonded so its either a natural clay bearing sand or sand with clay added. Greensand is water bonded. Oil bonded is an alternative.

  • @myfordboy
    @myfordboy  11 років тому

    It feeds the casting with metal as it cools and gives pressure to fill the mould.

  • @BazookaMoose
    @BazookaMoose 12 років тому +1

    After looking into it, it's "Sodium Bentonite Ash Clay" that you want, and the sand that I see seems to work best with the mulling (and resolution of cast) is the tamping sand you find at Home Depot or Ace that will work best. I noticed when I got my Play Sand, that it looked too sharp in comparison to myfordboy's sand pick. having more powdered look was the easier choice. I intend to Ball-Mill all of my stuff, including my sand first to get it a little finer.
    Thank you for inspiring me Ford!

  • @wanabear5716
    @wanabear5716 11 років тому

    My fordby i was watching a program where in the olden days they would mix only molasses and sand interesting..Passed down through generation in some 3rd world country..Always look forward to you months.

  • @preliess
    @preliess 12 років тому +1

    Thanks for your videos. They are very beautiful, well made, interesting and very instructive!

  • @dawnm4318
    @dawnm4318 9 років тому +4

    I really like that you take the time so I can learn a thing or 2 about lead smelting T-Y

  • @myfordboy
    @myfordboy  13 років тому

    @Shannariano Greensand is water bonded. Its a natural clay bearing sand or sand with added clay. If oil is used instead of water it is Oil bonded like Petrobond which is technicaly not greensand.

  • @myfordboy
    @myfordboy  13 років тому

    @OutDoorsMan1342 Yes it can be used over and over.

  • @myfordboy
    @myfordboy  13 років тому

    @StrongBlair The same sand is good for brass.

  • @basherkp3119
    @basherkp3119 4 роки тому

    I really like video bcoz you explained in detail from A to Z

  • @myfordboy
    @myfordboy  13 років тому

    @TheT2eL The sand I usual use is not Petrobond just a commercial greensand. home I broke down the sand after use ,charred bits and all looks fine. I think just the colour will darken after a few casts.

  • @borobalaguer4660
    @borobalaguer4660 7 років тому +3

    Thank you very much for the vídeos! I use them in my lessons.
    Greatings from Valencia, Spain.

  • @wjackstl
    @wjackstl 8 років тому +4

    myfordboy's greensand ratio, Metric to Imperial:
    1kg = 2.21# (sand) to
    120g = 0.27# (bentonite)
    I recommend watching the entire video though....now you just don't have to convert it

  • @myfordboy
    @myfordboy  12 років тому

    The sand is coarser than the black stuff. I would advise using a natural greensand if you can get it.

  • @myfordboy
    @myfordboy  12 років тому

    Any fine sand should be fine. The finer the sand the better detail it will mould. Not sure about marble dust. If looked at under magnification It should have irregular grains rather than round smooth ones so the clay can bond to it.

  • @ibond2u
    @ibond2u 11 років тому +1

    Thank you for your response - good info - sounds like a lot, but we get out what we put in.

  • @cktnafi
    @cktnafi 10 років тому +1

    Dear mr good job..but i have a small suggestion.intead of using small knife for creating ingate(way) you can use some other shapes to do the same some thing like 5mm pipe before creating mold..

  • @marktruscott3254
    @marktruscott3254 9 років тому +2

    hi from mark thank you for sharing your casting experience --- i appreciate it

  • @myfordboy
    @myfordboy  11 років тому

    Lost wax casting is one option but you can get great detail with Petrobond sand.You would need a proper crucible for the silver.

  • @spanishflew
    @spanishflew 12 років тому

    another brilliant video. fascinating and relaxing to watch. love the ambient sounds. all very zen

  • @TheBdd4
    @TheBdd4 11 років тому

    Thank you for a clear and well done lesson. I never knew how casting was done.

  • @myfordboy
    @myfordboy  11 років тому +7

    The finer the sand the better the finish. Try and get as fine a sand as possible.
    The water content cannot really be specified as it depends on the moisture content of the sand to start with. You need to add water until it holds together as shown

  • @myfordboy
    @myfordboy  13 років тому

    @ecksjay89 It came from a different place in the country. Some natural sand could be red or brown.

  • @das250250
    @das250250 9 років тому +1

    Always wonderful clear and instructive videos , ty

  • @myfordboy
    @myfordboy  11 років тому

    Yes I have some. It give a great finish but its more expensive and you loose a little each time as it bakes where it touches the metal.

  • @myfordboy
    @myfordboy  13 років тому

    @dramey03 This is the first time I have used home made stuff but the results were pretty. good. Maybe a slightly coarser finish than the commersial sand. Down side is its hard work mixing by hand.

  • @oswaldbruggemans473
    @oswaldbruggemans473 7 років тому +1

    Very Educat9ional , and well presented !

  • @myfordboy
    @myfordboy  13 років тому

    @Shandybrother There is a link at myfordboy.blogspot.com for a UK supplier.

  • @myfordboy
    @myfordboy  11 років тому

    You need something smaller and more controllable than a mallet to ram the sand tight against the pattern.

  • @daxweb
    @daxweb 13 років тому +1

    Love the video, love the background sound...it's so relaxing.

  • @aStillbornone
    @aStillbornone 11 років тому +1

    I am really enjoying your videos, thank you very much!

  • @myfordboy
    @myfordboy  11 років тому

    You get best results from using aluminium that has been cast before, eg car parts. You can melt aluminium in a stainless container if you have a big enough blowtorch but it wastes a lot of gas.

  • @myfordboy
    @myfordboy  12 років тому

    Do you mean "what are the castings for ?" They are for model engines. They can be seen at my Model engine videos playlist, on my channel page. I still have all the engines show in my collection.

  • @myfordboy
    @myfordboy  13 років тому

    @marcuslb95 Worth a try I suppose. They use clay and dung in India to make bells.

  • @edgarasvas
    @edgarasvas 4 роки тому

    Around the place where I live about 30cm deep is a layer 30 to 40cm of such sand. It can be easily pressed and holds its form.

  • @myfordboy
    @myfordboy  12 років тому +1

    The patterns are not made as one and cut in half for the reason you mention.
    Basically the main pieces are stuck together with newspaper between, then after machining or shaping they are split apart. I have videos on pattern making making showing the process.

  • @myfordboy
    @myfordboy  13 років тому

    @stirlinguvstroj This is most people do it but I didn't find it mixed very well that way.

  • @aomimezura11
    @aomimezura11 12 років тому +1

    Baking SODA is pure sodium bicarbonate, a mild alkalai. Washing soda is sodium carbonate, a stronger alkalai. Baking POWDER is baking soda with tartaric acid. When wet, baking powder releases gas and neutralizes itself. That's probably a bad thing.

  • @y2ksw1
    @y2ksw1 9 років тому +4

    10-14% bentonite, 4-6% humidity, tons of mixing ... I have done this countless times, including lab tests 😊

    • @umbeatable2770
      @umbeatable2770 2 роки тому

      Hello there. Can I cast stainless steel parts with this mixture of play sand??

    • @y2ksw1
      @y2ksw1 2 роки тому

      @@umbeatable2770 Yes. Eventually opt for 3-4% humidity

  • @shawndoe2834
    @shawndoe2834 9 років тому +2

    What might work well for mixing/stirring would be a paint mixer on an electric drill - pretty sure 30 seconds would do it. Worth a try?

  • @stirlinguvstroj
    @stirlinguvstroj 13 років тому

    Hi. I found elsewhere a very similar recipe. There they recommended blasting sand (finer than playground sand) and also said that cat litter (the stuff you fill cats' boxes with) is typically 100% betonite. So if someone cannot find betonite, cat litter might be worth giving a shot. Haven't tried that, though, so that is just a second-hand knowledge. Thanks for your videos, David.

  • @rdftwo
    @rdftwo 12 років тому

    Sir, thank you for your response. I asked my question one video too soon since the newspaper trick was demonstrated in #27. thanks again

  • @myfordboy
    @myfordboy  13 років тому

    @svenp More details at myfordboy.blogspot.com

  • @aluminumcastingsandcasting7761
    @aluminumcastingsandcasting7761 5 років тому

    Very good video for sand casting process.

  • @metalmogul4691
    @metalmogul4691 3 роки тому

    I think that graduating to a work bench is about time.

  • @myfordboy
    @myfordboy  11 років тому

    You should be able to do that ok if the fins are not too thin.

  • @myfordboy
    @myfordboy  13 років тому

    @OutDoorsMan1342 Yes over and over.

  • @Zigge
    @Zigge 11 років тому +1

    IF YOU HAVE YOUR TALC IN A SOCK YOU CAN USE IT FOR A VERY EVEN POWDER ON YOUR PARTING. JUST KEEP THE TALC SOCK IN A JAR WHEN NOT IN USE.

  • @myfordboy
    @myfordboy  13 років тому

    @Dancerpro1 Its best to feed each one seperatly.

  • @y2ksw1
    @y2ksw1 9 років тому +3

    Btw, a rubber hammer is ideal for compressing the sand!

  • @robherch2312
    @robherch2312 9 років тому +1

    I'm surprised the bentonite worked so well for you, since it's primary factor is its extreme swelling with water. Most I have seen recommend some form of fire clay instead. In ceramics, bentonite clay is on the "never touch the stuff" list, as it's wet-swelling properties make it shrink & crack horribly upon drying.

    • @myfordboy
      @myfordboy  9 років тому

      Robherc H I have never heard of fire clay to make greensand, are you thinking of making refractory?

    • @robherch2312
      @robherch2312 9 років тому

      Here's a link to a page I read that recommends using fire clay: www.backyardmetalcasting.com/buy_fireclay.html However; I just did some more searching & a few sites specifically recommend against using fire clay, and recommend bentonite instead, so I think I'll give your mixture a go ;)

  • @DFX2KX
    @DFX2KX 11 років тому +2

    This is amazing the level of detail. I wonder just how precise one can get, though, into the hundredth's, the thousandth's, maybe? (if it's the latter, dang I can think of so many uses for that)

    • @BanarangBrandon
      @BanarangBrandon 10 років тому

      A lot of people machine their castings afterwards. I'm studying to be an engineer, I check these things out. One local machinist told me that his cnc equipment is accurate to the millionth. (English system of measurement)... I'm a 20 year old nobody and I have access to some pretty cool machine shops. So your answer here depends on how much thought and effort you put into the process.

    • @DFX2KX
      @DFX2KX 10 років тому +1

      Brandon Morlock I knew CNC stuff could get precise, but DAMN. That's like being able to CNC the optics for a telescope. I should clarify, I'd meant 'precision right out of the casting process' but I'd imagine you'd have to CNC the thing at least a little to bring it into tolerance, no matter how good your casting was.

    • @garthn2561
      @garthn2561 10 років тому

      Brandon Morlock
      The mathematical calculations might work out to millionths - but machines such as lathes and milling machines will get nowhere close. As an example, the cutter in a lathe flexes slightly. 1/1000th is generally very precise. You also cannot make a good mirror for a Newtonian using CNC - I have made my own and learnt enough to know why (figuring/testing is more of an art than a science)

    • @BanarangBrandon
      @BanarangBrandon 10 років тому

      I myself have never used a machine that claimed such a tolerance. It was a machinist who makes manufacturing equipment who told me this. He may have been full of it, I don't know. I was just enthused that he took me seriously enough to show me around his shop.

    • @Joru666
      @Joru666 10 років тому +1

      Brandon Morlock
      Todays EDM machines can actually provide accuracy in the range of under a micrometer (which is 1ppm in a meter) and are usually used for finishing precise plastic injection moulds as well as some other obscure manufacturing equipment. Most CNC mills have an accuracy of about +/- 0.01mm while the electronics does its calculations down to 1ppm in mm. There is a big difference between a tools resolution and its accuracy.

  • @myfordboy
    @myfordboy  12 років тому

    It gives a head of metal to feed the mould as it cools.

  • @myfordboy
    @myfordboy  12 років тому

    I'm no chemist but the baking powder is a different substance to washing soda, maybe this is making your metal rough. The degas should be plunged to the bottom of the metal and bubbles should rise through the metal.

  • @thomasr.miller5553
    @thomasr.miller5553 8 років тому

    THANK YOU. Making casting sand is as easy as a cup of TEA.

  • @myfordboy
    @myfordboy  12 років тому

    Yes thats what I use.

  • @myfordboy
    @myfordboy  12 років тому

    No, experience. Add a little at a time until it holds together like shown.

  • @myfordboy
    @myfordboy  12 років тому

    I think you are referring to the patterns, These are made of wood. i have videos on pattern making like part 22 in this series.

  • @Danbackboard
    @Danbackboard 10 років тому +1

    Now was not necessary entry and exit of molten aluminum?
    What is the difference?
    Thank you
    Watch of Brazil. (google translator)

    • @myfordboy
      @myfordboy  10 років тому +1

      On a small casting a vent is not necessary. On a larger one the riser will feed the casting with metal as it cools.

    • @thepoultrypeople
      @thepoultrypeople 10 років тому

      myfordboy what do you class as a small cast? something the size of two fingers up to a fist?

  • @myfordboy
    @myfordboy  11 років тому +1

    Have a look at video 29 and 33 in this series.

  • @Frogmobile52
    @Frogmobile52 12 років тому

    At last a good video ! I would suggest a sand muller because mixing by hand is really a chore!

  • @myfordboy
    @myfordboy  12 років тому

    I don't put a riser on the small pieces.

  • @Kimdino1
    @Kimdino1 10 років тому +1

    Excellent video in that your comments helped me understand what, & why, you were doing at every stage.
    I'm just intigued that you didn't create ventholes for the air to escape. The finished result proved they weren't needed in this case, but why?

    • @myfordboy
      @myfordboy  10 років тому

      The sand gives a degree of venting. Normal practice recommends venting but I have not found it necessary. It is however important to vent cores.

  • @harliqwyne
    @harliqwyne 12 років тому +1

    I learned how to sand cast from a gentleman who preferred to use the commercial oil based sand and he told me that a batch of sand (about 3-4 cups worth, he only did small item) was good for about 200 castings, his preferred metal was pewter, before it started breaking down to a point where you would notice unless you were using something like brass which actually burns the sand while you pour it. How long will it take for this mixture starts to break down and become useless?

  • @myfordboy
    @myfordboy  11 років тому

    The darker sand you have seen me use is a commercial one not home made.
    The orange coloured sand in my later videos is a natural clay bound sand.
    The colour of the home made stuff just depends on the colour of the sand used.

  • @OutDoorsMan1342
    @OutDoorsMan1342 13 років тому

    @myfordboy thanks i think i might have a go at casting soon

  • @tomharrell1954
    @tomharrell1954 6 років тому

    When you are mixing compounds together mix in equal parts. if the smallest amount is an ounce get an equal amout an ounce of the larger amount. mix the two equal amounts together. now you have two ounces. mix two ounces of the larger amount with the two ounces you have. mix well. now you have 4 ounces. this method will even well dispersed mixtures. you can use color dies to see the mix taking place.

  • @elliottgraham
    @elliottgraham 13 років тому

    great people do great things. thanks elliott

  • @kobyedwards6945
    @kobyedwards6945 10 років тому +1

    Two things one it's cool that you reply to everyone and also could green sand work with platinum or is that to hot of a metal

    • @myfordboy
      @myfordboy  10 років тому

      The sand would work but you may not be able to get the metal hot enough to melt at home.

    • @Speeder84XL
      @Speeder84XL 9 років тому

      koby Edwards If you try to cast a metal that hot, the sand in contact with the metal will probably also melt - platinum melts at 1768°C and in fact most rocks and concrete do melt or soften at temperatures >1250°C (check out my video of melting concrete).
      It will probably work anyway since the metal will cool down and solidify before the sand melts enough to deform the casting significantly - the problem is if molten sand get stuck in the metal and destroy the surface. If you use sand intended for casting it probably works better - play sand has lower melting point then "real" casting sand
      Although - that's probably the least of your concerns since the amount needed to make even a small casting will cost as much as a new car. It is even more expensive than gold.

  • @about2mount
    @about2mount 7 років тому +3

    All these making casting sands are overboard. For aluminum mix topsoil with lard and talc it with baby powder. Much smoother. And cost is everything.Almost all topsoils contain the proper mixture automatically in nature. Large companies who make critical automotive engine blocks designed these sands, but the backyard average joe only pours aluminum parts aren't critical.