Conversion therapy: God only knows
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- An estimated 700,000 adults in the U.S. have received a controversial treatment known as reparative, or conversion therapy, under the belief that homosexuality is caused by nurture, not nature, and can be "cured." Erin Moriarty talks with young men and women who had undergone the treatment (voluntarily or at the behest of their families) in order to adhere to their church's teachings; with Alan Chambers, who was the charismatic director of Exodus International, which promised to convert those with "same-sex attraction"; Nashville pastor Stan Mitchell, who has rejected conversion therapy; and Jeff Johnston of Focus on the Family, which continues to promote the practice for parishioners who do not want to be gay.
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People can't change themselves, but they want to change other people. Hypocrisy abounds.
Tanuki - What gives the religious bigots a sliver of help is that there are ‘some’ people that attempt to change or are successful. There are bisexuals, who can ‘chose’ to ignore their gay feelings and try daily to be heterosexual. But these facts don’t enter their mindsets, they think cure one, all can be cured. I for one firmly believe that the process of ‘conversion therapy’ does infinitely more harm than good. If ANYTHING should ever happen or be allowed, it should occur in a 5-10 minute supervised conversation, it should be supportive, and life affirming. Before you tear me apart, what I am speaking of is a simple "There are some people with sexual feelings for both sexes, and some of those can chose to focus on one, but that might not be for you. Denying your feelings can create more problems for you, so we only as that you consider our words and apply them if you wish." The rest of the conversation should be the importance of accepting yourself, as you are, and knowing that God loves you, and created you, exactly as you are. Then following the 10 minute conversation the parents should spend many, many hours in counseling to learn how God and they can accept their child exactly as he or she is.
Tanuki I think people just need to pick up the Bible. I lived a sexually immoral life and it’s God’s words that healed me.
@@conservativeforcalifornian9882 I think you need to get into the 21st century and either put down the Bible, or burn it.
@@conservativeforcalifornian9882 You liar.
I know right? Like b**** go to the gym and work on your gluttony
*This is illegal in Europe, why isn't it in America?*
Because society in the U.S.A. is till in many ways very backward.
Yes. This.
@@TheVaughan5 you're so right. What with gay reparative therapy, anti-abortion campaigners and YECs, the USA has a real problem with extreme Christianity.
Because we have too many backwards Christian idiots here.
While I am not religious, I do believe in freedom of choice. I think they should have these for people 16 and older that want to go, people should have a choice, but I dont think someone should be able to be sent against their will
Parents need to support their kids.
Yes exactly thank you❤️🏳️🌈
No
Exactly
On what grounds exactly... 😆...
Uh, no, they don't NEED to support their kids... if they are doing something stupid. Like harming their bodies with chemicals because they're not mature enough to think big picture. Blindly supporting your kids makes you a terrible parent.
‘gay people are human’
the government: ‘hmmm we’ll think about it’
-john mulaney
the truth If you are gay or know someone who is, this is important information! Sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetus development. Various hormones are introduced at specific times to accomplish this .The fetus plays no part in this process. A person is, therefore, born with a predetermined attraction. It is, therefore, not a choice & consequently not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural expression of mammals & found commonplace in nature. Intelligent research in this area clearly explains this process. If you are truly interested in truth, based on knowledge, the book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay shows this with numerous research articles. If you want to understand the truth & have respect for yourself & others this book will help. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years by men that had no understanding of science, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book. Don’t let the religious pull you down to their level of ignorance. Peace
@@dan69052 you know this makes sense cause when my friend was younger her favorites were ALWAYS both the male and females. You were always attracted to your sexual orientation, just didn’t realize it until you got older.
I love how the mother of Adam said it’s the therapy that killed their relationship! Lol no hunny, it’s the fact that you didn’t accept him. You’re are his mother first. 🤦♀️
@@elicapers2446 OK, HE is in the 21st century, SHE is NOT. What do you want her to do, bully him to suicide? EVERYTHING CHANGES OVER TIME. YES, that includes the Bible and God's word. AND DON'T BOTHER TO DISAGREE WITH ME, unless YOU want to be fined like Kobe Bryant, who ALSO gay-bashed.
@@gameshowguy2000 Nope, you literally have no reason to think The Bible has been changed. ... literally, dude. You have no reason to keep repeating this. You're living a lie.
Technically it is, and I wholeheartedly think it's her fault.
You can't change your sexual orientation. Period.
There is a lot of ex gays
@@karimalawi923 ex gays? That’s just because they’ve been manipulated into thinking they’re straight. They are probably now struggling with internalized homophobia while still being gay. You just can’t change your sexual preference.
@@karimalawi923 why dont u try to be gay before u think its a choice
@@karimalawi923 ex gays? Funny. They probably were scared to get attacked by other people. I came out to my dad and he went nuts and started threatening me and then i had to pretend i turned magically straight but i still am lesbian
@joseph cristal lol then you should be the next nobel prize winner
They should be jailed and charged with child abuse.
the truth If you are gay or know someone who is, this is important information! Sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetus development. Various hormones are introduced at specific times to accomplish this .The fetus plays no part in this process. A person is, therefore, born with a predetermined attraction. It is, therefore, not a choice & consequently not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural expression of mammals & found commonplace in nature. Intelligent research in this area clearly explains this process. If you are truly interested in truth, based on knowledge, the book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay shows this with numerous research articles. If you want to understand the truth & have respect for yourself & others this book will help. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years by men that had no understanding of science, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book. Don’t let the religious pull you down to their level of ignorance. Peace
@@dan69052 fake
@@markusionescu3957 nope
They should be prosecuted and jailed.
@@luxitos2867 then while in prison if there's any justice they'll be gang raped.
As a gay teenager I would cry 😭 my self to sleep asking God to take my life that was tired of living
@Martin Guilfoyle yes I'm doing good now I have accepted myself as gay
@Martin Guilfoyle thanks
I sometimes do the same because Ik my parents would be so hurt once I come out to them
the truth If you are gay or know someone who is, this is important information! Sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetus development. Various hormones are introduced at specific times to accomplish this .The fetus plays no part in this process. A person is, therefore, born with a predetermined attraction. It is, therefore, not a choice & consequently not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural expression of mammals & found commonplace in nature. Intelligent research in this area clearly explains this process. If you are truly interested in truth, based on knowledge, the book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay shows this with numerous research articles. If you want to understand the truth & have respect for yourself & others this book will help. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years by men that had no understanding of science, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book. Don’t let the religious pull you down to their level of ignorance. Peace
@@harshit1153 If you are gay or know someone who is, this is important information! Sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetus development. Various hormones are introduced at specific times to accomplish this .The fetus plays no part in this process. A person is, therefore, born with a predetermined attraction. It is, therefore, not a choice & consequently not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural expression of mammals & found commonplace in nature. Intelligent research in this area clearly explains this process. If you are truly interested in truth, based on knowledge, the book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay shows this with numerous research articles. If you want to understand the truth & have respect for yourself & others this book will help. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years by men that had no understanding of science, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book. Don’t let the religious pull you down to their level of ignorance. Peace
How can people hate love between two consenting adults?
Would you say the same thing about incestuous relationships? I'm not anti-gay or anything, just wondering if that same logic applies.
@@horticasey-Considering all the birth defects and other problems incest creates, I'd say no...
@777 God's Child-I'm still flippin' the coin on the existence of God, so your answer would be irreverent to me. But believing in God doesn't answer silver70's question. The only logical answer I can think of, other than the one I have already given, is that people who follows your philosophy hate gay people and they use their religion to mask their bigotry, which they need to hide because 'Christians aren't supposed to hate others'.
At least the Alt-Right, who are supposively Christian, admit they hate gays. Why can't you be more honest than those jerkoffs?
Becuz we dont hate them, im not for conversion therapy, but these people paint christians in a very negative light, most christians dont hate gays, we welcome them, but we believe homosexual sex is a sin, not homosexuals.
@777 God's Child There is no god.
"Is homosexuality a choice?" was answered decades ago. NO! IT"S NOT!!!
I know, even posing the question nowadays is extremely harmful.
That claim was debunked. It has not yet been proven.
@@joshuacarpenter9317 Homosexual BEHAVIOUR is a choice, just as heterosexual BEHAVIOUR is. Homosexuality itself, like heterosexuality itself, is certainly not a choice. If homosexuality were a choice, people wouldn’t discover their attraction to other people of the same sex during adolescence, the very time when the desire not to stand out from one’s peers is at its most powerful.
If it were a choice, people who can’t or won’t accept their homosexuality wouldn’t squander precious years, sometimes even decades, of their lives, and often also considerable amounts of money, on cruel hoaxes like “ex-gay ministry” and “conversion therapy” (or whatever its peddlers have decided to call it this year) in desperate attempts to change it. They’d simply ditch it and replace it with heterosexuality.
@cobainzlady I don’t doubt that God has the power to change gays into non-gays - or straights into non-straights - at any time. The evidence suggests that, if he ever performs such transformations, he does so once in a blue moon. As for adolescents, if their sexual attractions change as they get older, that’s fine. If they don’t, that’s fine too. What they definitely DON’T need is officious adults abusively trying to tamper with their sexuality and subjecting them to useless hocus-pocus like “conversion therapy”.
Engaging in sexual activity of any kind is a choice.
I don’t understand people who think sexuality is a choice. I’m straight. I cannot be otherwise. I was born this way. Are the people who call that a choice or a lifestyle implying that they themselves are straight by choice, that they don’t feel incontrovertibly, innately straight, but could be gay if they chose? Because that’s how it sounds.
SAME
thanks for saying it yo ..idk why people think its a choice
@@harshit1153 they think this way because ( i suppose) that people arent gay until they come out. (thats sad
Yeah and to homophobes that say that ‘they’re choosing to be gay’ is cap, because my friend always liked both genders in tv shows and books, it basically made her realize she was bi. Just because you don’t know something about yourself doesn’t mean it’s not there.
It homosexualty is a choice then so is a being straight. Ask any straight person when they chose to be straight and, in every case, they'll tell you I was born that way. Hello?!
I am a Christian and I totally DISAGREE with this therapy . Can't change who you are .
777 God's Child not against God !! Im talking about the therapy i
kerri b I’m against the therapiy
777 God's Child I feel like the therapy’s goal is to change who the person is .
@@Mssipequeen it's not about changing yourself or others, its about crucifying the desires of your flesh, and letting God change you
@777 God's Child Interesting to hear that you know what God cannot do. Have you informed God yet?
Religion ruins everything.
🤔 It sure does.
Periodt
SFM it’s not the Religion, it’s the members that not living as believers and followers, of our Lord and Savior- Jesus Christ.
@@robertsherman9975 Theistic religion often propagates harmful ideas.
Something to be expected from a 2000 year old book written in a time when illness was thought to be the product of supernatural causation-- and in a time when ownership of people is wholly accepted and mandated.
Said this before and I will say it again
NOT ALL CHRISTIANS ARE LIKE THIS. THE KARENS JUST GIVE US A BAD NAME.
I agree all things are possible with God but God is a gentleman HE would never force you to change if you dont want to. Gay or straight HE will still love us, I dont understand why then we cant just love/accept each other no matter who we are and what our preferences are.
Ana Vega Athesit here! Completely agree that you can’t force a person to change, no matter what. You just have to accept who you are and how they are.
Every human being on this planet is a sinner! We need Jesus Christ to forgive our sins!
I believe that good ol' Jesus isn't homophobic like these people!
@@priestessmikokikyo77 why is this like... appealing to people?
sorry thats kinda mean to religion i just dont like christianity much
@@priestessmikokikyo77 sounds like that's your backhanded way of saying love between two men or two women is a sin. did i get that assumption correct?
Why are we still talking about this. Leave ppl alone.
Theresa Kleven ii
We are still talking about it because it is CT is still being practiced. We have tried and failed 3 years in a row to ban it for youth in Virginia
Really! I thought this stuff went out with the 80's. Geez! Let the guy live his life the way he wants to.
Theocracy is rising in America.
We are already a corporatist military state, on top of a being a police / surveillence state.
Christains don't want to see it for what it is.
Just remember, theocratic (authoritarian) regimes oppress and abuse ALL peoples, not just the citizens that disagree with your religion.
What would Jesus do?
@777 God's Child Jesus didn't condemn homosexuals ONCE.
Does your god like when you tell lies about his son?
When Gay people are faced with conversion therapy, they should remember the immortal words of Popeye the Sailor man: "I yam what I yam and that's all that I yam".
@kerri b-They don't endorse Communism in the school in my town, nor have I heard of Communism being taught as a political philosophy in any school in the greater Cincinnati area or anywhere in America for that matter.
I know this because I have family who goes these school and none of them want to overthrow the government in a Communist coop. Social Study classes may teach about Communism's history, but as far as I know, none of the schools in my area are using conversion therapy tactics like 40 pounds of rocks in a backpack to turn students in Bolsheviks.
And if this was the case, I'm sure that the news channels, especially FOX News, would have reported it.
I think that you need to stop going to ultra-conservative and Alt-Right websites because they spread a lot of false information to the naive and the gullible...
kerri b my school literally had Anti-Communist propaganda in the textbooks
This Focus on the family dude is really in the closet,he has locked himself in
@Alan Davis love it!💖
@@todshi You mean FAUX news.
Bottom line...being gay is not a “choice” or a “lifestyle”.
🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈BORN THIS WAY🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈
Zero medical proof that youre born this way.
tekkieman You’re not “entitled” to medical proof. Answers to complex questions don’t just fall from the sky.
Alan Davis if you ever want goodtime let me know 💋my wife lets me have fun 😘
777 God's Child I’ll make you gay 💋
777 God's Child tell me papi👄. Love thy neighbor as thyself. I wanna so you how I love myself 💖.
the sass in his voice “healing from homosexuality” i know this is supposed to be serious but i just JHGKGJJG
the truth If you are gay or know someone who is, this is important information! Sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetus development. Various hormones are introduced at specific times to accomplish this .The fetus plays no part in this process. A person is, therefore, born with a predetermined attraction. It is, therefore, not a choice & consequently not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural expression of mammals & found commonplace in nature. Intelligent research in this area clearly explains this process. If you are truly interested in truth, based on knowledge, the book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay shows this with numerous research articles. If you want to understand the truth & have respect for yourself & others this book will help. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years by men that had no understanding of science, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book. Don’t let the religious pull you down to their level of ignorance. Peace
@@dan69052 i literally couldn’t have said it better myself ngl, im gay myself and hearing people justify their hate with religion is veryyy irritating
LMFAOOSOFJKAOFA
healing from homosexuallity 💁♂💅
😭😭
Is there a christian conversion therapy?
Why, yes there is....it's called critical thinking.
Brian ... BRILLIANT thank you! 👍😉
It's called reading your Bible, not what your preacher tells you.
@Scrooge McGruel He said "being gay". Clearly he's talking about being a homosexual, not about having sex. Being gay isn't a choice.
@Bear-Knuckles Yes, if you think there's something wrong with what I said, I would agree you have comprehension issues.
If religion can steer you away from homosexuality, then I prefer to to steer myself away from religion.
@cobainzlady ah, this comment is a lot less friendly than the other ones.
@cobainzlady A Christian homophobic extremist with a photo of Kurt Cobain ... I almost laugh
cobainzlady, maybe you need to understand why your idol ended up taking his own life... *his feelings were hurt*, just like the many LGBT teens who've taken their *own* lives!
cobainzlady all i want to say is freedom of religion he can choose
cobainzlady lol you really responded to a ton of comments on this video! get a life
The bible doesnt condemn homosexuality. The verse about men lying with men as a woman has been translated from a word that meant boy moslesting.
Yes it does condemn it, and vehemently, and all religions do. It is irrational and philhi
I feel religion can sometimes bring people and family apart. I am a closeted transgender male and I hate how my parents and brother talk about the LGBT+ community. Being homosexual is completely okay and there is nothing wrong with it.
So how you doing in life rn?
So, as a survivor of conversion therapy, i am now working (after a near 15 year recovery period) to change the law in my state (Virginia). My "therapy", which was done through a church which still does it, caused me to be so suicidal that I resorted to taking drugs to get though the sessions. A lifelong addiction problem has ensued; thankfully finally in recovery from that. But in the end I am still a Christian - I actually believe it is the typical evangelical who has been deceived on the whole issue. They almost succeeded in me losing my faith and that is the ultimate result of conversion therapy: separation from normal human relationships and ultimately separation from a relationship with God. According to the Bible all good work bears fruit and a tree will be known by it's fruit. The fruit of conversion therapy is emotional, psychological, and spiritual devastation that can result in death. It is NOT of God in any way.
o wow
powerful stuff there bro. i'm glad you're doing well now. i don't know if i could continue with Christianity after such an experience. more people have perished in the name of religion for too long.
700,000? Crazy. Leave people alone.
@cobainzlady It looks like you're quite proud of being depraved. degenerate ,and enslaved; at least it looks that way to sane people.
@cobainzlady wow you're all over these comments on this aren't you? lol - for the 350,000 that experienced this as teenagers, they didn't really get a choice. And I want you to be very aware of what you just did, because it's a tactic that is used in conversion therapy. You just equated being gay to being depraved, degenerate, unhappy, and enslaved. That's quite a logical jump. For example, if someone who is gay has been shamed their whole life, and you come up to them and assign the word degenerate to their sexuality, what's happening is that you are encouaraging them to embrace shame. You're also affiliating unhappiness with being gay, rather than with the ostracism and judgment people face FOR being gay. So, what you're actually doing is you're trying to take someone who is vulnerable and turn them into the monster, and after being confronted with that logic, especially as a teenager, my gosh is it really a surprise that so many people try to go through these programs? Could you imagine what it's like to wake up and think of yourself as a monster or a disease every day? The road to self-acceptance is extremely difficult for the lgbtq community members who grow up around this kind of talk, because not only do you have to start seeing the world differently, but you have to unassign the shame that you've been taught to place on yourself from your thought processes, and you can turn it into embracing yourself for the first time, unconditionally. It wastes so much time in a lot of people's lives, a staunch juxtaposition from so many members of the lgbtq community that come out to love and acceptance on day one. Scrolling through the rest of these comments now...I'm sure I'll see something else that you've interjected along the line.
cobainzlady you say that their “depraved, degenerate and enslaved and unhappy”...pretty sure thats what there life is like AFTER they go into “therapy”
Maybe they don't *want* the therapy. They're unhappy, but the therapy will make them even *more* unhappy, because that results in *more* pain and suffering, which is what they don't want.
@cobainzlady damn you want people to get shocked and abused even when its not their choice
These people are crazy...
You can’t decide if you’re gay/lesbian or not!
the truth If you are gay or know someone who is, this is important information! Sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetus development. Various hormones are introduced at specific times to accomplish this .The fetus plays no part in this process. A person is, therefore, born with a predetermined attraction. It is, therefore, not a choice & consequently not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural expression of mammals & found commonplace in nature. Intelligent research in this area clearly explains this process. If you are truly interested in truth, based on knowledge, the book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay shows this with numerous research articles. If you want to understand the truth & have respect for yourself & others this book will help. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years by men that had no understanding of science, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book. Don’t let the religious pull you down to their level of ignorance. Peace
the way he said "healing homosexuality" lol
YO - that was a moment lol
The other day I picked up my daughter's college back pack. It was so heavy I thought I would check the weight. it was 20 pounds. I can't imagine carrying 40 pounds of rocks every day. When people say that being gay is a sin and from the devil I have to wonder if maybe the people who are having a 15 year old girl carry 40 pounds of rock every day that could have potentially damaged her back might actually be the one that are the evil people.
Cobain’s lady? As in Kurt Cobain?
Evangelicals in general seem to have a 5th grade level of understanding with the Bible. Very surface level skimming, not taking into account the time and place of when the literature was written. Not taking into account how poorly translated the Bible is. They ignore the other 600+ laws in the Old Testament. They ignore the Great Commandment in the New Testament. Their level of judgement is totally hypocritical.
the truth If you are gay or know someone who is, this is important information! Sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetus development. Various hormones are introduced at specific times to accomplish this .The fetus plays no part in this process. A person is, therefore, born with a predetermined attraction. It is, therefore, not a choice & consequently not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural expression of mammals & found commonplace in nature. Intelligent research in this area clearly explains this process. If you are truly interested in truth, based on knowledge, the book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay shows this with numerous research articles. If you want to understand the truth & have respect for yourself & others this book will help. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years by men that had no understanding of science, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book. Don’t let the religious pull you down to their level of ignorance. Peace
@@dan69052 this extensive of a reply to a post from TWO YEARS ago deserves to be its own comment. Why bury it as a reply to an existing comment?
11:38 Easy solution-- switch churches! Join a church that loves everybody. Yes, even your gay son. You can go on loving God and your son... COMPLETELY. Easy. Ta da.
cobainzlady you can love your family without believing in an imaginary friend
exactly. my lutheran church is so supporting
If you really do care about your religion then you can switch. If you don't, you can always just quit all together.
Hate the sin love the sinner, easy, Ta da
In the bible, it prohibited pedophilia, not homosexual tendencies. It says love everybody no matter what.
Adam and eve, a man should no lie with another man as he does with a women, let every man move out with his women not man, bible also says to keep ur body holy so taking a penis up ur bum as a dude is not holy.
Exactly
Aron yacob that’s literally the exact verse that has also been translated into man shall not sleep with boy meaning pedophilia also it is quite unholy to care so much about what someone else does in their bedroom but go off ig
Ok boomer
when she said a man shall never lay with another man. before 1939 it said a man shall never lay with a boy
the truth If you are gay or know someone who is, this is important information! Sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetus development. Various hormones are introduced at specific times to accomplish this .The fetus plays no part in this process. A person is, therefore, born with a predetermined attraction. It is, therefore, not a choice & consequently not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural expression of mammals & found commonplace in nature. Intelligent research in this area clearly explains this process. If you are truly interested in truth, based on knowledge, the book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay shows this with numerous research articles. If you want to understand the truth & have respect for yourself & others this book will help. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years by men that had no understanding of science, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book. Don’t let the religious pull you down to their level of ignorance. Peace
I'm a man. I wasn't taught to like both men and women, i was born this way.
the truth If you are gay or know someone who is, this is important information! Sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetus development. Various hormones are introduced at specific times to accomplish this .The fetus plays no part in this process. A person is, therefore, born with a predetermined attraction. It is, therefore, not a choice & consequently not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural expression of mammals & found commonplace in nature. Intelligent research in this area clearly explains this process. If you are truly interested in truth, based on knowledge, the book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay shows this with numerous research articles. If you want to understand the truth & have respect for yourself & others this book will help. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years by men that had no understanding of science, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book. Don’t let the religious pull you down to their level of ignorance. Peace
All I'm gonna say is live your life right now instead of being afraid of the afterlife, it's the only one you know you have
I laugh when homophobes say being gay is a choice
It is tho
It is a choice.
Conversion therapy is a human right. How does that affect the rest ? It's nobody's business. Why would someone in their right mind be against someone' else freedom to be who they are. People should stand up for their rights if it becomes illegal. If one thinks that will affect them somehow, then that it means it ain't innate, it's socially constructed/influenced for them
Very few say this, mostly this statement is outdated. Attraction is not chosen or implemented. But how you deal with it is 100% a choice. You actively choose to act on these desires or don't. This is what most mean with "choice".
Jesus never said that homosexuality is a sin
Neither does the Bible; the line “man shall not lay with man” is actually about pedophilia but was most likely mistranslated to push homophobic agendas by the church.
Yes he did, all religions vehemently condemn hmsxlty. No way around it. The problem is the subculture that brainwashed victims that their behavior is sane. It is irrational
@@samofrabat give us proof:// other than the bible
@@samofrabat bro move on, I commented this like 2 years agoD:
@@Ssylphie
Nope.....it's about precisely hmsxlty.
You can spew all the anti-gay rhetoric you want, but when Judgment Day finally comes (if it ever does), you likely will not escape God's wrath.
We all sin. I don't loathe you for your adultery. Why do you loathe me for being bi?
the truthIf you are gay or know someone who is, this is important information! Sexual orientation is determined in the womb during fetus development. Various hormones are introduced at specific times to accomplish this .The fetus plays no part in this process. A person is, therefore, born with a predetermined attraction. It is, therefore, not a choice & consequently not a sin & not immoral. It is a natural expression of mammals & found commonplace in nature. Intelligent research in this area clearly explains this process. If you are truly interested in truth, based on knowledge, the book Gay, Straight & the Reason Why by Dr. Simon Levay shows this with numerous research articles. If you want to understand the truth & have respect for yourself & others this book will help. It also has, unlike the bible written over 2000 years by men that had no understanding of science, an extensive bibliography. I strongly recommend the book. Don’t let the religious pull you down to their level of ignorance. Peace
"Man shall not sleep with boy" not "Man should not sleep with man"
Though I beleive in the possibility of God, I do not beleive in interpretations of the Bible that allows stuff like this to happen.
Can't wait to see Boy Erased
IT IS SUCH A POWERFUL MOVIE
I'm watching it right now.
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Where do you think he goes to find young men?
Luis Guillen SJAHSHJAJAHAHAJA
Are we really talking about homosexuality as a problem in 2021? I thought middle-age ended about 500 years ago.
Most ppl in the world are against |_9bt. Most civilization and people throughout the times were against hmsxlty. It has been, it is, it will always be. Facts of life. No amount of politics or narrative, will change the very fact of the irrationality of hmsxlty
Homosexuality has always existed, even before it was legal. So the argument of the Religious Right that its learned behaviour doesn't ring true.
When will we learn to be straight? 🤔 😂
Go watch: "Gay cure" therapist comes out.
ALSO: church is not God, and no mother should be forced to push away her son, for his difference.
I don't want to spend eternity in the same place as these good Christians. Satan should send them thank-you notes for helping him recruit.
@cobainzlady Satan owes you a thank you too.
haha, good one!
@cobainzlady Lol. Okay, your just a troll, right? There is no way you're really Christian.
These Christias are not reflecting God s character. God loves us just the way we are.
Jesus told me, "They do not understand. The only important thing is that they love one another." It says plainly in the Bible that we are NOT to be converted to this worlds way of thinking but to be transformed by the renewing of our minds. Jesus died to PAY for our sin. Why do people not understand that this means we are FREE to be ourselves? He said, "If the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed." Love does no harm to a neighbour. Homosexual or otherwise. Jesus died to SAVE people, not to condemn them. Established Christianity is wrong in its doctrinal thinking.
God Damn it, its 2018... why is this still a thing... I need to distract myself.
2021 and still going strong... in fact, I might even say stronger
@@Jkeyol04xy Exodus International shut down though, right?
God bless homosexuals. It’s not a sin. Think about it. God knows about the future and what a big issue it would be and Jesus never mentioned it. Not once. God isn’t wrong. The homophobic people are.
"Before you echo Amen in your home and house of worship, think and remember a child is listening."
- Mary Griffith
I'll never understand how people can be so committed to a God they never saw and they'll likely never see, while dismissing those they see every day. It is more shocking when it is their children.
Tactics like shock therapy and "aesthetic realism" have a long history of being unsuccessful. Much better you play the hand you're dealt, and be the best person you can.
Thank you for sharing your story bravely.
No
thank you
People that say man shall not lay with another man is in the Bible they’re lying people have changed the Bible around so many times being gay isn’t a choice just like being straight isn’t a choice
@long furby that’s fake...people always would change the Bible which makes it harder for people to find what the real book what’s the book ‘god wrote’.
It is a choice, it's psycho-social
Religion is no reason to convince your child that they are something they’re not.
You can believe whatever
You can be whatever
No one is gonna care
Nothing is gonna happen.
Gay love hurts no one.
@cobainzlady lol wow. It's okay to be gay, man - you don't have to fight it anymore.
Why would God change you when it was He who created you?
I’m gonna show this video to my homophobic father, I’m not gay but I really want him to know that gay people are people too
Sickening, that poor girl was sent to the very town I live in... Its hard to believe there could be people right around me going through this
It is psycho-social, it ain't innate
Bible were absoluty agree with slavery. Is an old fashion book. It is horrifying to support slavery..wiil you supported just because bible accep it?
@Pro-Life Society No, no gay gene has ever been discovered to date. No straight gene has ever been discovered either. In either case, does it matter? No.
Its a book of fairy tales
If that suits them they will, in the U.S. alone there are thousands of so called christian religions that treat their members as slaves deprived of their freedom of choice, their liberty and even their identity, which even leads children and women sexual slavery.
my mom just told me shes homphobic and i asked her"would you kick me out if i changed my pronouns?" she didnt respond:(
that sucks. u got an update since then?
Places like these should be burned down.
orlandobabe basically labor camps but somehow legal
Shame on CBS for giving focus on the family airtime @ 9:29
They're passages in the bible that condone slavery, Objectify women And directly condradict other passages. If we've rejected those, then why not reject what the book says about homosexuality? Or why not reject the book entirely?
Yes reject that crazy book
What kind of mom is that
A bad one for sure...
A brainwashed one I dont think shes mean, but the tradional values did this to her
She tried her best.
Jane, you bright a false equivalency to you intro. "Is homosexuality a choice?" No. And the story reflected that. Please apologize.
cobainzlady calling someone a pig? Wow how Christian of you.
cobainzlady Jesus Christ take a xanny... or twelve
cobainzlady also it isn’t a choice to feel sexual attraction to people it’s completely hormonal so calm tf down
If that is what the families religious beliefs are, so be it, however, as a gay man, I know it was not my choice and that I was born gay. Let this young man find his own way without hoisting religion on him and condemning him for his sexuality. Love him as he is and accept him as he is and he will be OK. Condemn him and ostracize him and he will end up broken and hating himself forever.
It’s honestly a shame that conversion therapy exists ;(
Conversion therapy is a human right. How does that affect the rest ? It's nobody's business. Why would someone in their right mind be against someone' else freedom to be who they are. People should stand up for their rights if it becomes illegal. If one thinks that will affect them somehow, then that it means it ain't innate, it's socially constructed/influenced for them
It's funny when straight people talk about homosexuality being a choice, implying that they themselves also actively chose to NOT be gay. Just ask any person who's ever been in love, did you deliberately choose to fall in love with that person, or did it just happen? I suspect the answer would always be the latter. I don't know why anyone would assume that it would be any different for gay people.
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." - Edward Gibbon.
Being any sexuality or gender is great. We are who we are. Embrace it. If people don't love you for who you are, they don't deserve to be in your life. Trust in people, not unproven Gods.
That’s why I’m an atheist
isn't exodus the book about slavery?
Irony👍☝️🤔🌈🙏
Jesus hung out with publicans and Harlots a lot. I'm sure there were many gays and lesbians among them that Jesus loved with all his heart. If my child ever came out of the closet I probably be surprised at first but in the end I'd thell them that what ever you choose heavenly Father and Jesus will always love him and so will I.
Love is not about gender, it's about people.
if you arent ready to support your kid however they choose to live their lives. dont. have. kids.
I’m gay and I want to live a normal life so bad I wish If people would be more nicer to us we’ve already gone through so many bad stuff we love everyone because we know how it feels to be hated by everyone literally everyone even god himself
I’m not crying you’re 😢
This is so gross.
this is why I dont believe in christianity anymore
I think a person's sexual preference can change, but it's not something you can shape. And it's certainly not something conversion therapy can "fix."
What about people who have UNWANTED same-sex attraction and go to sane conversion therapy groups to get the help they WANT???
The LGBT cult doesn’t want to allow that, they want you to be gay.
It’s legal for adults to go through conversation therapy in every state. It’s only illegal to put a minor through conversion therapy in 18 states (32 states have no law against it).
Rock amolie we’re just tryna ban it for minors relax
Rock amolie k believe that’s ok but there need to be standards to make sure it’s safe and not harmful. Like electro shock and things that are proven to be harmful and never aloud for minors. I’m proud and gay but it is a free country
There *are* no sane therapy groups. They are *all* insane.
Conversion therapy for Christians would be wonderful.
The mom reminds me of my mom when I came out to her. I had to talk to a pastor, start homeschool, my mom talked to me everyday asking if I had a crush on a guy so I could stray away from him, And she recently tried to make me go to conversion therapy. Which didn't work. Parents please just teach your kids about the loving God we all know and Love. Not the conservative ideal god..
Brave of him to be profiled in this way. Kudos to you. Best wishes for your future.
Homosexuality isn't taught....religion is.
It is suggested, learned, ideated, and reinforced through action. Heterosxlty means life.... males evolved precisely for females.
I wish i wasn't lesbian I'd rather be straight i love god so much i feel like he accepts me but some days like right now i feel so bad about it
God isn't real. You are fine just the way you are. There is nothing wrong with being a lesbian.
The original translation of the bible did not have a word for homosexuality.
I’m scared my grandma will send me to conversation therapy
I hope you'll be okay🙂
Can you hold on until you're 18 or did you tell her you're gay already?
@@jacquelynpowell7964 nah
There are people out there that dont agree with lgbt peoples "ideals", but still say they love them. Those peoples "ideals" are who they are. Not agreeing with who someone is, is basically the definition of hating someone.
Sexuality is so primal, it is a primal instinct we have..
Stop pushing your beliefs on people that want love and deserve to love and enjoy life equally. Maybe your views scare people into a life that is more oppressed to live in your standard thus making them feel unworthy of there own parents the people they should be able to trust most and confide in. Shame on you.
Why do people give so much effort to hate eachother? It's just not worth it in my eyes.
because 9ay ppl try to force their twisted view on the normal population. The problem is the sub-culture that confuses the young people. It ain't innate, it's learned. WTF do young ppl know about sxlty, they get affected. There two sxl or9ans ...each of which is meant for the other. There is no other third sxl organ for the same sx , is there ?
@Son Of Rabat do you have scientific proof it's learned?
@@samofrabatwhy are you saying the word gay? Do you think God himself is gonna come down and smite you? Lmao
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don't crash now, an agno-atheist
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Psychologists have known that it's psycho-social for long time. But politics highjacked free speech and rigorous science communication. In psychology, social influence and social contagion is a well understood.
how would you even know if a 10 yr old is gay?
You're either gay or not!! Christians are out of their minds! Live and let live smh
It doesn't matter whether or not homosexuality is a choice; it's not an excuse deservant of torture, destructive ridicule, physical assault, nor capital punishment from others. This is obviously an issue in which people with this condition base their human value on. From what I see in this video, conversion therapy is a tool of self destruction, not human improvement.
Homosexuality shouldn't be a sin if it can't be fixed by prayer.
It hurts how relatable this is
I love how everyone cite the old testament, never the new, have they read what Jesus said? And the man she is interviewing, he is gay, just look at the way he talks and behaves, and that mother, pleas, is your child love him no matter what.
These Aevangelicals are just so lost. So far “unconditional love” goes. Hypocrites all the way.
If Christians followed the Bible literally (with all its proscriptions) they would not eat pork, would not eat lobster or crab, would not eat cheeseburgers, would not get remarried after divorce, would not do any physical work on Saturday, would not gossip, would not wear fabric blends (Leviticus 19 : 19 reads: “You shall not wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together.”) Obviously they do not accept the entire Bible as the word of God or they would not be deciding what parts to obey and what parts to throw out. If Christians actually followed Christ's message they would "turn the other cheek" when struck, they would give away their belongings to the poor. So many things in the Bible are either selectively cited or else interpreted to mean what people want them to say. There are many good people who follow a Christian religion and I do not doubt their sincere concern to live a good life. I think that they got bogged down in the literal translations. Most of us want to do the right thing in all circumstances but there are also many good people without a religion or who belong to a non-Western religion and they must be respected as well. I remember the "crisis" I encountered when several close friends told me they were atheists. At the time I could not reconcile how anyone not believing in God could have strong ethical principles (benevolent to the extreme). Now I see that this world is not the province of any particular philosophy, religion or even country. Having an open mind can help us all to form important alliances to solve many problems. A bumper sticker I saw recently said it all: GOD BLESSES EVERYONE (not just Americans).
It was nice to hear acknowledgements of the wrongs committed. I can only imagine the guilt the Mother of the young man carries. I’m glad they have a relationship, they appeared to be happy and at peace.
I’ll never understand why people feel the need to control another person, or change who that person is, physically, mentally or sexually. If a person has the need/desire to control/change another person, it’s clear they have issues within they need to attend to.
Conversion therapy is not Christian. The Christ does not teach us to do this kind of work.
Those people are causing people to despise the name of God.
I feel bad for this man, the divided church is harming all kinds of people like this. “From division comes strife.” This baptist movement is not from Christ, nor is any other group that is not founded on the truth.
I was also sent to a doctor when I just needed to trust Jesus who is The Word of God. By faith in Jesus, His death on the cross for my sins, I overcame what doctors could not treat. My condition was not homosexuality but deep depression and hopelessness. Doctors had no power to help me but Jesus did.
Jesus was sacrificed for our sins, all of us and this is a truth that only God can reveal. It isn’t found by the wise and prudent, but by new born babies.
"God can reveal. It isn’t found by the wise and prudent, but by new born babies" Of course, wisdom leads to atheism.
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GOD TAUGHT US TO LOVE EACH OTHER. NOT TO SPREAD HATE. SERIOUSLY PEOPLE!!!!