digging a trench with the apprentice ( I WILL NEVER DO THIS AGAIN)
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
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In this video I take on a job I have never done before. (DIGGING A TRENCH). It took me and the apprentice two days to do, I really have to give my apprentice credit we was working in not so good weather conditions and he didn't complain once. So thankyou Tyrell I appreciate your hard work.
I may have undercharged on this job but I learnt a valuable lesson and we got it done in the end so all is well 😂😊👍
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The price was not far away you just needed a mini digger and tops 2hrs wa a cuppa and biscuit thrown in.
Every day's a school day, top marks for your honesty, and a apprentice that smiles 😃
his always smiling 😅
fair play mate estimating and pricing is one of the hardest parts of the job , i'm in my 50's and i still get it wrong from time to time . i respect the fact you did it for the agreed price and stuck with it .
£350 l would have handed the woman the pick and shovel. Good on you for completing job. Keep up the good work. Respect for the trades.
Nothing like digging. Made myself physically sick last year digging a drain. Fair play for finishing the job 👍🏼
Honest money is the best money brother. Wish you and your business massive success.
Love your channel. You’re honesty is refreshing.
Fair play to the apprentice sticking with it, lesson learnt l suppose. Well done for completing the job aswell 👍
Thankyou I appreciate it and yeah I couldn't have done it without him tbh 🙏
Don't feel bad. We've all undercharged for something at some point. It's part of learning :) Of course that is no comfort at the time when you're shattered. You did the right thing though - in business it is the most important that you have integrity and are trustworthy. Once you quote your price you stick to it, and you did. This kind of reliability and trust will win you back lots more jobs in the future.
It takes a while and a good few years behind you.
Before you realize stick to the “ use the right tools for the job” motto.
When ever I do a bodge I always look back and think why didn’t I just hire/buy the right tool for the job, it will always be quicker / neater and easier work!
Well done though! Giving you both a work out 👍
Half day one person £250
Full day £ 350
Half a day two £350
Full day two £500
Full day two people covers 2nd day if needed . Love your channel . So hard pricing
£400 is about right, just unfortunate it took you 2 days. Most people would of got a mini digger in. Can't charge much more because your doing it my hand.
Would have*
That’s exactly what he’s saying, just passing along his experience
Couldn't have used a digger anyway there were services in the dig way
Digging with a shovel won’t do much either 😂
@@michaellampard6358 new used a mini digger before by the sounds of it.
I did a 25m trench 450mm for cable for £250 to dig it out and £250 to backfill after cable was laid could not get mini digger in dug it out in a day myself, all hand digging depends on ground conditions and tools being used and you two are using the wrong tools next time get two long tail pointed shovels and this will keep your back straight and the point allows easier ground penetrating,use a spade to square of sides,square mouth shovel your mate is using is total waste of time but should have got a mini digger in on that job as access no problem👍
Thanks mate I appreciate the advice if I ever do a job like this I will make sure I do
If you don’t know then you don’t know, however you know now, but your a good Brummie and your word is your word, good job for seeing it through , stay away from digging stick to what you know, there are diggers and there are carpenters, don’t cross the streams. Well done mate.
Lee.
I absolutely hate digging so can feel your pain on this one!
Don't beat yourself up too much mate, still in profit, and gained a good learning experience. 👍🏾
that’s very true tbh , thankyou
labouring for all soets of tradesmen. ive done plennnnty of drain work and digging in the rain can be a shitter but its a test to see whos got the right attitude to actual 'hard graft'. a good labourer knows what that is and years later hel have a bad back. thats a sure sign hes not lazy.
I’ve shovelled out plenty of trenches/channels and a game changer is a pickaxe. Especially for when the ground is dry/ digging out clay. Bet you both had a good nights sleep after this 😅
Can't beat a grafting shovel
@@paulchapman5249 best thing I’ve used so far is a really old shovel. Father in law has used the same shovel for 10 plus years and it’s sharp as fudge. If I was to slip with it and catch myself it would definitely slice me up. Cuts through the ground like a hot knife to butter
Fair play bro most would of quit your apprentice is gold 💪
Thankyou I appreciate it and he helped me out a tremendous amount
@TTDOWG Carpentry I love that you recognise his efforts, a lot don't 🙌
Ya live and learn😂 think we have all underestimated a job or 2. Digger and driver around 350 a day, couple hours work but you got it done mate
Said a grand in my mind, take it or leave it
Love the videos keep doing you 💯
thanks mate really appreciate
Great video, it shows exactly what I would have charged and then second guess the price once it got down to the work itself. Hey we live and we learn, great work as well 💪🏽👍🏽
thankyou mate i appreciate it
At least the young fella got to use his new light. Every cloud as they say 😉👍
Back in the 80s putting in the cable TV network using a Jackhammer with a clay spade and a man following with a trenching shovel we used to dig 30m by breakfast...
The appreciates new light came in handy 👍
Mate thats brutal bro I feel your pain
I use to dig trenches 20 m long with 80 cm deep on hard terrain by myself just with hand tools in one day...that is piece of cake for me
🥲 I couldn’t even imagine doing that
You must be built like hulk 💪
@@ttdowgcarpentry2390 was 10 years ago when i was 20 years old with a loot of energy....im from Romania and i use to do that just in the summer on dry weather and the average price for the job was 2 £ per metre long...use to work 15 hours per day just to finish fast and move to the next job.
On the brightside you learned from it. I took a hit like that on a demo job for family which made it even worse. Original price for my demo job was 4000 CDN$ and ended up charging 2700 without being told that i had to cover the expense of waste disposal as well. So in total 4 guys including myself made close to nothing but we had a good time and learned from it.
Great job, been watching a couple of your vids recently keep it up. Every days a school day as they say
Sparky has took the absolute George Michael with that 500mm down lad😂 no way does an armoured for a little job like that ever get burried that deep mate, ote past lawnmower reach and your sound😂
This is how we learn to pick our jobs. Definitely a digger or avoid. Sparkies can did there own trenches ( in Australia they normally do) it's a good laugh watching some one else's regrets. Lesson learned haha
😂😂😂 Yep I 100% learnt my lesson next time the sparkie will be digging his own trench
@@ttdowgcarpentry2390 is feelz ua bro 👊
Just started putting things together to start out on my own and I find your videos really helpful 👍
Thanks loads!
The apprentices new light came in handy.
Probably 500 because I would of got a digger in.I am I carpenter with mine and my dads business and I am 18 going into my carpentry life I have been doing it for about half a year and really enjoy it
I am a boy by the way just using my moms account until I get my new one
Respect, You learnt a hard life lesson, Anything below ground can be a nightmare ( root's, utilities etc) that was Hard Hard Grafting by the 2 of you 👏👏👏. "Your Word is your Bond" You gave a Price and Honoured it!
In this business you have to know what your time's worth, Learn as much as you can lookup the web research try and not make a habit of getting shortchanged, if she a repeat customer you'll get the money you lost back in the long run, in future do your homework, Give your Price and stick to it, Know Your Worth don't be working for 🥜 , your a Qualified Tradesman , avoid job's with tight deadlines, Only give yourself a ❤ attack.
I always find using a mattock works a treat for trenches
Sometimes a kind gesture now pays back x2 in future , don’t be too harsh on yourself
thanks mate i appreciate it
FairPlay lads hard work digging a trench done many this year for water mains
yep it’s a hard graft i never wanna do it again 🥲
6 minutes in was too funny🤣
You’re straying a bit from carpentry there 😂
😭😭😭 your right i thought i would help this customer out 🥲
I end up doing this exact work the other day it was particularly crappy cold wet and ground was frozen crust you needed to break with the pick first. It was close to memorial day and I had the thought this is pretty bad but at least I'm not a soldier doing this exact thing while other people are trying to shoot you. Doesn't make the job easier but sometimes changing perspective helps.
Fully understand!!! Had a very similar experience to yours man lessons we have definitely learned for the next time!
That light come in handy haha
Haha loving the vids keep it up!
thankyou ITS i really appreciate it
Yes not a nice job in the wet weather you need speeds when digging trenches and the grafting shovel, the shovelled apprentice was using was a mixing shovel for moving stone and sand you got the job done well done👍👍👍👍👍
yep i learnt a lot on this job thankyou i appreciate the feedback
I hate digging ,a lad who works for me we call him the mini digger ,he's been doing it since he's 18 so there is an art to it and muscles that you never use
3:48 just started laughing
Fair play sometimes that's the way things go. As someone who is self employed/running a business you should be charging a minimum of £300 a day as you have to account for all the time used to quote and manage jobs, but remember to back this up with good customer care and job responsibility. Nothing worse than trades who charge a lot but don't take responsibility for their poor decisions in a project.
It'd be cheaper and more profitable for you to get a machine and driver to do that and charge on top. Machine 0.8T for £90 a day and £350 for driver and they would do it in a day no problem, you could charge between £650 - 800, remembering you have to visit the job to view, price it, arrange a driver and labour etc. You could then go and do another job that day and earn from both.
If you want to go with the same method of hand digging then i'd still charge £650-800. If you had the correct tools then that is probably a day job but it might run over a bit if the ground is hard. You need to get a good trenching spade, mattock and a sharp tapered mouth shovel. Mark the trench and the slice off the grass and place to the side and then loosen the ground with the mattock and clear out with the spade of shovel until your at the correct depth, then you can just use the mattock and spade to break big chunks off in to the trench clearing out with the spade or shovel. place all the spoil on the opposite side to which the turf is placed. The biggest thing with these types of tasks is knowing how to dig as its not as simple as it sounds, I'd say 80% of laborer's these days can't dig properly
Yes £600 a day I charge for myself only and £300 a day for the guy that works for me. Should be charging 3 times the amount you pay your staff at least for them. Last thing I dug out by hand was a border 1.8t out and down a flight of steps and then shovelled onto the truck 2 hours work on my own £350
Oh God, been there, the job you wish you'd never started 🤣. Felt for you there with that heavy ground, would have been big job even on the sandy stuff where I live. At least apprentice got to build some strength.
😂😂 Yep the apprentice definitely gained some muscle from this job
When you wish you just had the day of work and been a dosser for a day 😂 fair play proper Graft
Carpenters don’t dig trenches , they do finish work only
okay thankyou
I don't think you under charged I just think you was under prepared for how big the job actually was. Digging by hand is always a nightmare mate
We love a good trench dig lol
And for just trenching I’d charge Atleast 850-1000$ in American. if I had to supply or put in the pipe in to protect the electric it be Alittle more
Wow!!! Should have been at least £600!
i agree 🥲
Bid high... Only go cheap when desperate or stranded in the desert..
100% facts
2hrs on a mini digger . Dont ever shovel 🤣
Mini digger price £75 per day
Job £200
Driver to drive the mini digger and do the job £125
Job time 3-4 hours.
Full price £400
You priced the job right you just did the job on a harder way !!
My dad digged a trench for a wall for his "friend" he got paid breadcrumbs and killed himself, he said never again
Five Grand! At least!
🥶🥶🥶
We all get it wrong now and again so don't beat yourself up about it.
Fair play to you both.
Me personally would have charged around 600 but used a mini digger and had plenty of time for getting other stuff done on the afternoon and the following day.
Like i say "we've all done it".
You'll laugh about it later on in life and no doubt we'll all do it again but hey, that's life 👍
You live and learn my friend. I paid a guy to teach me how to use a mini digger and I've never looked back..if your good on the playstation you'll be good with a digger.
You said you live and learn at the end.
Great job anyway.
Just came across your channel last night very entertaining i would love to do a similar thing when i finish school. Can you get me an apprenticeship 😂
A price is a price win lose or draw that's why its a price...
would have charged about £1000
i wish i did 😓
Lol you think that's bad.. I went to a customers property a fe months back to look at a job excavating 3 old floors to be redone with underfloor heating.. I gave a quote of 3 days.. 1 for each room... Hahaha
8 days later I left with my tail between my legs, didn't make a penny on that job.. The foundation was sitting on giant limestone boulders.. Like boulders that a mini digger couldn't move.. I had to consaw them into sections and then take them out with a demo hammer...nearly 3 days a room it ended up.. Needless to say being that far off the quote put me on the loosing end very fast.. No point in even trying to negotiate that much of a screw up... I got paid for 4 days... and left it at that..
In denmark you Can make 100 dollars an hour if you are electric carpenter plumber
😨😨 an hr
Need to get a heavy duty post digging bar would of loosened up the ground before shovelling out
I probably should have, but I will never be doing this again only way I will be taking on this job is if I sub it out 😅
Definitely should of banged a string line in there somewhere as you probably dug about 4m more probably. Haha. 😂😂😂 yer mini digger would been better. I estimated 2 days when you ran around the job at the beginning by hand anyway.
Normally get ground works people to do this and put in ducting for cables, they would have the digger and all that but love the content
This is why you should always stick to what you know it says you’re a carpenter not surprised you didn’t know what to expect schoolboy error
Good job but brave calculation of 1 day. I'm a chippy by trade too and I would have given it 2/3 days by hand
Extremely hard back breaking work, maybe a mini digger next time.
£500 with digger hire ,squared off an 500mm trench BOOM
very true
You seem a decent joiner best to stick with that don't be a Jack of all trades. Be a master of one
shame the customer didn't pay more after the struggle
That’s about ok
be getting a bit warm going to 500m
£300 and I'd bring my digger in to do it and have it done in 2 hours. If I was doing it by hand and it took me a day on my own then £600. Rarely dig anything out by hand unless it's holes for fence posts
Typically when you make trenches like that are usually around a 800 but that’s in America not to sure in the uk tho
I think it's 600 in the uk but I only done to the measurements the client told me 🤷🏾♂️
Next time get a mini digger or sub the trenching/digging out . Its a good way to earn money!
Yep I will 100% Sub it out next time
I’m not having a “dig” but if you dug in a straight line rather than curved you could of saved yourself a lot of time !
Get the mini digger guy in, double his price and charge that, effort next to nothing. Money good!
Do it yourself with apprentice, hard graft two days, blisters sore back , effort heaps, money next to nothing
Got to respect the grind tho bro Not every man knows how back braking digging and using a pick axe is
Large kango with a spade on it does well
i'd have priced it at a grand cos that's what it would take for me to want to become an earth pig for 2 days
😂😂😂 this gave me a chuckle
Lol. Yup u live and u learn.
Mirco digger 2 hours
If you got a Irish man to dig that trench when i was working they would of done that in 1 day and just 1 navey would of been in the pub by 3 or 4 pm
This is very true
All of us have done this buddy no shame in it and for a good customer chances are you will get more jobs like this off there recommendations just add a bit more on keep going son 👍
You ever do a job and walk away feeling like you’ve just been robbed
Edit: my old tradesman didn’t even know what a rabbiting shovel was
If I were asked to do it, I would have Also asked for £400 but I would Also be Regretting it once I started. 😅
When you’re not used to it, digging is Hard work
way underpriced for such hard graft mate...but then you already know this.....would have to be minimum 600
Oh that's hard work. We dug a 300 mm rectangle in the garden by hand and that was bad enough. I find the ground it easier to dig when it's been raining. That would have been impossible in the summer. Do you have a day rate for jobs like this? At least you now know. If the customer doesn't want to pay for your time then you will have to turn down the job.
Yep I found it alot easier to dig because of the rain I 100% agree would have been alot harder in the summer and yep I've definitely learnt my lesson, my day rate is normally £200 a day depending on the job
You should put a green screen background on your computer then do the transitions a millisecond after you tap
MATEEEE
I'm a labourer, on £100 a day, apparently my boss charges £200-250 a day per labourer... 2 guys, 2 days, he's made £300 straight away after he's paid us, even if he charges the minimum
We all do it though, I painted hall stairs, landing and 2 small bedroom floorboards for a friend of a friend, charged 15 an hour (i get 12.50 at work), took me probably 16-20 hours (4 each night, after work), but I then had to remove staples/tacs, sand back the floorboards and fill where needed, which I hadn't accounted for... spoke to my other boss and he said I could have easily charged £500-600 🤦🏻♂️
Remember the boss would still pay you even if the job runs over, so if its a 1 day job and it runs over a day its only £50 as he's paid £100 more to you. Its risk and reward, whoever takes the greater risk will get the greater reward if the risk pays off, however, they could lose just as much by taking that risk and it going tits up. Thats why working on a daily rate over a price would usually pay less as with a daily rate the customer is taking the risk.
For inexperienced people who have yet to learn pricing it is sometimes better to take a daily rate that you are happy to earn in order to get the experience and knowledge of how long that particular task takes and what you could expect to charge next time.
A good customer would have seen you struggle and offered to pay more, you’d have probably declined but nice to be offered
I was thinking the exact same thing while doing the job 😢
500m down haha
Love your channel 🙏🏾
thankyou mate i really appreciate it
If you need any advise or pricing etc get in contact
thankyou mate i really appreciate it
That was painful to watch lol ,,,,but i guess youve learned your lesson ,,but respect to you
It was painful to do 😂😭😭 but yep 100% learnt my lesson